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I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?
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On 4/21/2026 6:23 PM, Boris wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Clear your browser cache.
Try another browser
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Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1


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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

The manual for that router should tell you what the default page is.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway, and often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.
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"Experience is a good teacher, but she sends in terrific bills." --Minna
Antrim
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Mark Lloyd wrote on 4/21/2026 8:42 PM:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

The manual for that router should tell you what the default page is.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway, and often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.

My netgear router was working fine, and it could be seen at http://192.168.1.1/. Later, I set my satellite modem to bridged mode,
and could no longer see the netgear router even though everything was
working fine. Eventually, using windows commands, I found it had moved
to http://10.0.0.1. There was never any notification, so I had to find
the damn thing on my own.

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote in
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On 4/21/2026 6:23 PM, Boris wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on
another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password",
to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another
home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset
(button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted
back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Clear your browser cache.
Try another browser

Thanks much. I've already tried that with no luck.
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Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
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Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on
another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password",
to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another
home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset
(button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted
back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z
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Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 10:36 PM:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:10s988t$1ttql$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on
another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password",
to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another
home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset
(button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted
back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

Try running ipconfig. What do you see as your default gateway?


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Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote in news:69e8278b$0$26 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

The manual for that router should tell you what the default page is.

I have the manual. By default page, I assume you mean what is described on the label on the underside of the router: SSID, user name, and password. I've got all that...still no luck.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway, and often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.

When I connect to the router, ethernet or wifi, when I go into Windows
Network settings, I'm not shown the IP or gateway for the router.

By the way, I did another factory reset, and now the router includes the
name of the old SSID that I had before the factory reset. Odd. If I reset again, this old SSID disappears. Odd again.

I think I'm going to get another, new router, and see if I can log in to
it.

Thanks for the reply.
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Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
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Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 10:36 PM:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s988t$1ttql$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on
another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the default user name, "admin", and default password,
"password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name,
and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another
home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory
reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID
reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the
router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

Try running ipconfig. What do you see as your default gateway?

Default gateway is 192.168.1.1.

https://postimg.cc/hJYJ8Kt7
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Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:10s9go0$1vrgs$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 10:36 PM:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s988t$1ttql$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on >>>>> another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and >>>>> used the default user name, "admin", and default password,
"password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, >>>>> and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another >>>>> home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory
reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID >>>>> reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the >>>>> router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the >>>>> factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to >>>>> 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

Try running ipconfig. What do you see as your default gateway?

Default gateway is 192.168.1.1.

https://postimg.cc/hJYJ8Kt7

When you put that into a browser, what do you see?



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Boris wrote:

Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote in news:69e8278b$0$26 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to
192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

The manual for that router should tell you what the default page is.

I have the manual. By default page, I assume you mean what is described on the label on the underside of the router: SSID, user name, and password. I've got all that...still no luck.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway, and
often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.

When I connect to the router, ethernet or wifi, when I go into Windows Network settings, I'm not shown the IP or gateway for the router.

By the way, I did another factory reset, and now the router includes the
name of the old SSID that I had before the factory reset. Odd. If I reset again, this old SSID disappears. Odd again.

I think I'm going to get another, new router, and see if I can log in to
it.

Thanks for the reply.

Is your comp on the same network? Like 192.168.2 or something close?
Is JS ON?

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Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in
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Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s9go0$1vrgs$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 10:36 PM:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s988t$1ttql$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using >>>>>> on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1)
and used the default user name, "admin", and default password,
"password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user
name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in
another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a
factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was
successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID
listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as
the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change.
Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

Try running ipconfig. What do you see as your default gateway?

Default gateway is 192.168.1.1.

https://postimg.cc/hJYJ8Kt7

When you put that into a browser, what do you see?

It times out.
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Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in
news:10s9ikn$20at8$1@dont-email.me:

Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s9go0$1vrgs$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 10:36 PM:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:10s988t$1ttql$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote on 4/21/2026 6:23 PM:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using >>>>>>> on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) >>>>>>> and used the default user name, "admin", and default password,
"password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user
name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in
another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a >>>>>>> factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was
successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID >>>>>>> listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as >>>>>>> the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. >>>>>>> Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

Try running ipconfig. What do you see as your default gateway?

Default gateway is 192.168.1.1.

https://postimg.cc/hJYJ8Kt7

When you put that into a browser, what do you see?

It times out.

Ok. I guess IrCOm out of ideas. Sorry I couldnrCOt help.



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On Tue, 4/21/2026 7:23 PM, Boris wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another
home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the
default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes
to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

You HAVE to use Ethernet after a factory reset. (Whereas one other person
in the thread, figures that Wifi should work as an interface for accessing the router.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wifi/comments/ynu9kg/r6400_netgearfactory_reset_will_not_accept/

Paul
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Paul wrote:

[snip]

You HAVE to use Ethernet after a factory reset. (Whereas one other person
in the thread, figures that Wifi should work as an interface for accessing the router.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wifi/comments/ynu9kg/r6400_netgearfactory_reset_will_not_accept/

Th1s looks like router and network confusion!

Step 1 - power off the router that you normally use for your internet connection, so that we are absolutely sure that you are not connecting
to it by mistake.

Step 2 - disconnect your test computer from everything (apart from mains power). Reboot that computer. Verify that it does not have a connection
to any network, not wired, not wireless, not a neighbour's WiFi, etc.

Step 3 - connect your test computer to the router that you have factory
reset using an Ethernet cable. As Paul suggests, from the factory reset
its WiFi is probably disabled, so you would not expect to be able to
connect to it that way. Do not connect the WAN port of that router to
your internet modem.

Step 4 - power up the test computer and the router. Ensure that the
test computer's network adapter is configured to use DHCP.

Step 5 - from a command line use ipconfig /all - it should show only one network, something like "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection".
Identify the IP address of your computer, and of the router. The
router's IP address will be listed as "default gateway".

Step 5 - use ping <default gateway> to verify that the router responds
at its IP address.

Step 6 - use a browser to open the IP address "default gateway". You
should be prompted for a login name and password. This is NOT the SSID
and WiFi password. It will be shown on the label on its underside.
From a factory reset Googling suggest it is "admin" and "password"

Tell us which step fails in the worklist above and we may be able to
help further.
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Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

Paul wrote:

[snip]

You HAVE to use Ethernet after a factory reset. (Whereas one other person
in the thread, figures that Wifi should work as an interface for accessing the router.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wifi/comments/ynu9kg/r6400_netgearfactory_reset_will_not_accept/

Th1s looks like router and network confusion!

Step 1 - power off the router that you normally use for your internet connection, so that we are absolutely sure that you are not connecting
to it by mistake.

Step 2 - disconnect your test computer from everything (apart from mains power). Reboot that computer. Verify that it does not have a connection
to any network, not wired, not wireless, not a neighbour's WiFi, etc.

Step 3 - connect your test computer to the router that you have factory reset using an Ethernet cable. As Paul suggests, from the factory reset
its WiFi is probably disabled, so you would not expect to be able to
connect to it that way. Do not connect the WAN port of that router to
your internet modem.

Step 4 - power up the test computer and the router. Ensure that the
test computer's network adapter is configured to use DHCP.

Step 5 - from a command line use ipconfig /all - it should show only one network, something like "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection".
Identify the IP address of your computer, and of the router. The
router's IP address will be listed as "default gateway".

Step 5 - use ping <default gateway> to verify that the router responds
at its IP address.

Step 6 - use a browser to open the IP address "default gateway". You
should be prompted for a login name and password. This is NOT the SSID
and WiFi password. It will be shown on the label on its underside.
From a factory reset Googling suggest it is "admin" and "password"

Tell us which step fails in the worklist above and we may be able to
help further.

I didnrCOt realize he was using wifi. If he is, then the wifi must be
enabled and working because he said he can connect to the internet just
fine.
Maybe i am missing something.




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On 2026-04-22 01:23, Boris wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Connect one computer solely to that router. Nothing else, not even
internet cable or modem or whatever. Make sure the network config of the computer is on "auto" (DHCP). Reboot or powercycle the router. Maybe
reboot the computer.

Does the computer obtain an IP? Then it should say what the gateway is.
Try to connect the browser to that IP.
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Cheers, Carlos.
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This may be a silly question...

You've got the router that your are trying to configure on the same LAN
as the the PC that you are trying to access. But have you removed the
router that you normally use to access the internet? It is an error to
have two DHCP servers (test router and normal router) on the same LAN.

If you've not already done this, try it and check that ipconfig gets an
IP address of the form 192.168.1.x and a gateway of 192.168.1.1 - I'm wondering whether the ip config details you are seeing have been
allocated by your "real" router.

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router,
bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I
notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).


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On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

[]

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"You _are_ Zaphod Beeblebrox? _The_ Zaphod Beeblebrox?"
"No, just _a_ Zaphod Beeblebrox. I come in six-packs."
(from the link episode)
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On 22/04/2026 13:00, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

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Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .

For IPv4 (the older, traditional type of IP addresses)...
10.x.y.z, 172.16.y.z-172.31.y.z and 192.168.y.z are non-routeable
addresses which routers know are reserved for private LANs - for
computers which are the private side of the router. Traffic between non-routeable addresses will remain within the LAN and will not be
routed on the "scary" public side (the internet).

If traffic from a private address wants to go to an external site, the router's NAT (network address translation) code strips off the private
IP address in each packet and substitutes the router's public IP address (allocated by your ISP) and adds a unique ID so when the reply comes
back, the NAT can perform a reverse substitution of IP address,
selecting the correct one by the unique ID.

The NAT (or at least the firewall that is associated with it) stops unsolicited traffic from getting in: unless incoming traffic is in
response to a request from within the LAN, it gets the same sort of
response as that other well-known "unsolicited traffic": people
representing political parties or religious organisations ;-)

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network "Private IPv4 addresses"


And then we get IPv6. That is bloody scary because your 8-byte IP
address is always public. There is no NAT, so in theory someone using Wireshark on the internet can trace traffic back to your specific PC.
You are placing all your security on the router's firewall and hoping
that it will block unsolicited incoming traffic. But if (heaven forbid)
the traffic gets through, it can find its way to your specific PC on the
LAN, rather than just "this is for someone on your LAN but I don't know
who, so bin it").

That's my understanding, anyway. I may have woefully misunderstood IPv6
(*), but the way it has been implemented scares me to death. It would
have been so much better if only the public address had been IPv6 and
routers still did NAT and conversion between IPv4 and IPv6 so devices on
your LAN still have short addresses that you have a fighting chance of remembering and typing 192.168.1.x which only differ in one byte. Maybe
allow the last *two* bytes to distinguish between devices on your LAN,
in case you get more than 256 devices and need 65536 devices. (Before
anyone corrects me, I *know* that 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.1.255 are
reserved for broadcasts and multicasts, and one address will be given to
the router so you will have 252 remaining.) But "roughly 250" and
"roughly 64 K" are close enough!

The world is running out of *public* addresses. Two byte private
addresses (excluding the 192.168) should be enough for anyone! (Famous
last words...)


(*) I really need a "Dummy's Guide to IPv6"... Even the name IPv6 is misleading. If IPv4 is a 4-byte address, you might think (as I did for a
long time) that IPv6 is 6-byte. No, it's 8-byte. Maybe IPv8 would have
been a better name...
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On Wed, 4/22/2026 8:00 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

[]

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .

A Google on the topic nets this.

"AI Overview

Non-routable IP addresses, or private IP addresses, are reserved ranges (RFC 1918)
used for internal networks (LANs) that cannot be routed on the public internet.
They facilitate local device communication, conserve IPv4 addresses, and
enhance security by isolating devices, requiring Network Address Translation (NAT)
to access the internet.

The three reserved ranges are 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, and 192.168.0.0/16.
"

Windows uses as a default, a /24 (256 addresses) for 192.168.23.X
rather than using the entire /16 (65536 addresses) and allowing
anything in the 192.168.X.X range. This can mean, you need to widen
the netmask in Windows, there is a command for that. But to use that
command, there is a second command which shows the "counting number"
of the interface. And that counting number helps identify which
interface you are widening the netmask on. In the example below,
the counting number value goes well past the "7" you think is the limit.

You can see, by using ipconfig, just what a mess it is in there.
Yes, the machine has three NICs and it has three virtual machine
hosting environments. It's a good thing they don't have to talk
to one another <snicker> . By the way, you can reach me at 127.0.0.1
because there is no place like home.

ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration

Media disconnected
Media disconnected
192.168.56.1
192.168.23.10
169.254.250.165 # APIPA ? Maybe means no DHCP is visible.
192.168.109.1
172.22.224.1

Paul

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris
<Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another >home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the >default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes >to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. >Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on >back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the >factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory >SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or >192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

I've checked out this thread but have not seen any response that
addresses my problem.

Here is my IP config for my Netgear router:
Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 172.17.46.34
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.17.46.1

This is being used in a cottage that is part of an In
dependant/Assisted Living complex. The IPv4 address says it can't
connect and the Default Gateway times out when trying access via
browser.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:02:15 +0100, NY wrote:

[snip]

(*) I really need a "Dummy's Guide to IPv6"... Even the name IPv6 is misleading. If IPv4 is a 4-byte address, you might think (as I did for a
long time) that IPv6 is 6-byte. No, it's 8-byte. Maybe IPv8 would have
been a better name...

IIRC, the number after the 'v' is a version number, which has nothing to
do with the number of bytes an IP uses. IPv4 using 4 bytes is just a coincidence.
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"Theology: The study of elaborate verbal disguises for non-ideas."
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jetjock wrote:

[snip]

I've checked out this thread but have not seen any response that
addresses my problem.

Here is my IP config for my Netgear router:
Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 172.17.46.34
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 172.17.46.1

This is being used in a cottage that is part of an In
dependant/Assisted Living complex. The IPv4 address says it can't
connect and the Default Gateway times out when trying access via
browser.

My guess is that your router is configured in "Bridge mode" or whatever terminology Netgear uses. Your computer has found the network for the Independant/Assisted Living complex.


So:

1: Disable the WiFi facility of your test computer. This ensures that
it won't see any WiFi signals whatever.

2: Disconnect the LAN port of your router from the complex's network.

3: Connect your test computer BY ETHERNET CABLE to your router.

4: Reboot both your router and your test PC. Now tell us what ipconfig
/all reports. If it gets nothing at all, factory reset your router.

Only once you have this working, and can see the configuration page,
should you connect to the complex's network.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

I have the manual. By default page, I assume you mean what is described
on the label on the underside of the router: SSID, user name, and
password. I've got all that...still no luck.

Those are WiFi settings. I mean the page you get that asks you to log in
to the router. Many respond to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway,
and often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.

When I connect to the router, ethernet or wifi, when I go into Windows Network settings, I'm not shown the IP or gateway for the router.

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R,
enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

By the way, I did another factory reset, and now the router includes the
name of the old SSID that I had before the factory reset.

Strange, the reset should have erased that information. Maybe you need to
hold that reset button longer.

Odd. If I
reset again, this old SSID disappears. Odd again.

I think I'm going to get another, new router, and see if I can log in to
it.

Thanks for the reply.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Theology: The study of elaborate verbal disguises for non-ideas."
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On 2026-04-22 18:09, jetjock wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris
<Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on another
home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and used the
default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make changes
to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another home. >> Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset (button on >> back). The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the
factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the factory >> SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going to 192.168.1.1 or >> 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help. >>
Any ideas?

I've checked out this thread but have not seen any response that
addresses my problem.

But you have not followed proper diagnostic procedure, and we told you
what to do.
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On 2026-04-22 16:02, NY wrote:

On 22/04/2026 13:00, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

The NAT (or at least the firewall that is associated with it) stops unsolicited traffic from getting in: unless incoming traffic is in
response to a request from within the LAN, it gets the same sort of
response as that other well-known "unsolicited traffic": people
representing political parties or religious organisations ;-)

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network "Private IPv4 addresses"

And then we get IPv6. That is bloody scary because your 8-byte IP
address is always public. There is no NAT, so in theory someone using Wireshark on the internet can trace traffic back to your specific PC.
You are placing all your security on the router's firewall and hoping
that it will block unsolicited incoming traffic. But if (heaven forbid)
the traffic gets through, it can find its way to your specific PC on the LAN, rather than just "this is for someone on your LAN but I don't know
who, so bin it").

The internal part of the address is huge, and they have to guess the
exact one.

And you should have a firewall at the router and another at the computer.

The problem are the smart gadgets.

...

(*) I really need a "Dummy's Guide to IPv6"... Even the name IPv6 is misleading. If IPv4 is a 4-byte address, you might think (as I did for a long time) that IPv6 is 6-byte. No, it's 8-byte. Maybe IPv8 would have
been a better name...

I have a "IPv6\ for\ dummies.pdf", 28 pages by Infoblox. I don't know
where it came from.
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Carlos E.R. wrote on 4/22/2026 12:44 PM:

On 2026-04-22 18:09, jetjock wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris
<Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using on
another
home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the
default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to make
changes
to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in another
home.
Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset
(button on
back).-a The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to the >>> factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory
SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change.-a Going to
192.168.1.1 or
192.168.0.1 times out.-a Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no
help.

Any ideas?

I've checked out this thread but have not seen any response that
addresses my problem.

But you have not followed proper diagnostic procedure, and we told you
what to do.

Is jetjockey the OP, or someone that piggybacked/humped the original
poster? I'm getting confused.

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On 2026/4/22 18:26:23, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[]

When I connect to the router, ethernet or wifi, when I go into Windows
Network settings, I'm not shown the IP or gateway for the router.

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R, enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

Are you sure? I thought most what we call in the UK "routers" (actually
usually combined MoDem, router, wifi station, and maybe other things)
had a web interface, which could be accessed regardless of what OS your
browser is running under.

By the way, I did another factory reset, and now the router includes the
name of the old SSID that I had before the factory reset.

Strange, the reset should have erased that information. Maybe you need to hold that reset button longer.

Odd. If I
reset again, this old SSID disappears. Odd again.

Does it toggle?

I think I'm going to get another, new router, and see if I can log in to
it.

Seems a bit extravagant, unless you can get your ISP to provide it.

Thanks for the reply.

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On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:02:15 +0100, NY wrote:

[snip]

(*) I really need a "Dummy's Guide to IPv6"... Even the name IPv6 is
misleading. If IPv4 is a 4-byte address, you might think (as I did for a
long time) that IPv6 is 6-byte. No, it's 8-byte. Maybe IPv8 would have
been a better name...

IIRC, the number after the 'v' is a version number, which has nothing to
do with the number of bytes an IP uses. IPv4 using 4 bytes is just a coincidence.

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??
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On 2026-04-23 01:40, Hank Rogers wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote on 4/22/2026 12:44 PM:

On 2026-04-22 18:09, jetjock wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:23:30 -0000 (UTC), Boris
<Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using
on another
home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the
default user name, "admin", and default password, "password", to
make changes
to the settings, such as SSID, user name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in
another home.
Before setting it up at this new location, I did a factory reset
(button on
back).-a The factory reset was successful...the SSID reverted back to >>>> the
factory assigned SSID listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory
SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change.-a Going to
192.168.1.1 or
192.168.0.1 times out.-a Going to http://www.routerlogin.net is of no >>>> help.

Any ideas?

I've checked out this thread but have not seen any response that
addresses my problem.

But you have not followed proper diagnostic procedure, and we told you
what to do.

Is jetjockey the OP, or someone that piggybacked/humped the original poster?-a I'm getting confused.

The OP was "Boris". "jetjock" is somebody else, no idea what his problem
is. :-(
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ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always
8 bits.
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On 23/04/2026 11:57 pm, Tim Slattery wrote:

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always
8 bits.

Ah!! O.K., then. There's my confusion.

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??
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On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 23/04/2026 11:57 pm, Tim Slattery wrote:

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always
8 bits.

Ah!! O.K., then. There's my confusion.

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

And for storage, the Byte is a pretty useful measure. Furlongs
and Olympic Pools, less so.

Paul
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On 2026/4/23 17:39:46, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

And HD (and SSD) manufacturers often still use the powers of ten (or a thousand), rather than powers of 2 (or 1024), when talking about their capacity, too.

And for storage, the Byte is a pretty useful measure. Furlongs
and Olympic Pools, less so.

Paul

(I used to know someone who like "furlongs per fortnight" as a measure
of speed.) The standard journalistic measures in UK are double-decker
buses (length and volume), Wales or Belgium (area), elephants (weight), olympic-sized swimming pools (volume), ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The fact that there is a highway to hell and only a stairway to heaven
says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers.
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On 4/23/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

On 23/04/2026 11:57 pm, Tim Slattery wrote:

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always
8 bits.

Ah!! O.K., then. There's my confusion.

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

1TB is 8 trillion bits.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 03:08:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later
Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R,
enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

Are you sure? I thought most what we call in the UK "routers" (actually usually combined MoDem, router, wifi station, and maybe other things)
had a web interface, which could be accessed regardless of what OS your browser is running under.

Yes, and I was describing how to find the address for that web interface.

BTW, MoDem is actually correct (originally modulator-demodulator),
although I'd expect very few to know that now.

[snip]
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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Hell is where cowards have sent heroes." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The
Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays_]
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 00:15:08 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

On 23/04/2026 11:57 pm, Tim Slattery wrote:

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits
wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always 8
bits.

Ah!! O.K., then. There's my confusion.

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

'b' is bits, 'B' is bytes. So, you said 8 terrabyte bits. What's a byte-
bit?
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Hell is where cowards have sent heroes." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The
Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays_]
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On 2026-04-23 19:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/23 17:39:46, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

And HD (and SSD) manufacturers often still use the powers of ten (or a thousand), rather than powers of 2 (or 1024), when talking about their capacity, too.

They always did.

And now, well, since a few years, all the industry must do the same. If
you count in powers of two, you must use different units, the bibyte.

And for storage, the Byte is a pretty useful measure. Furlongs
and Olympic Pools, less so.

Paul

(I used to know someone who like "furlongs per fortnight" as a measure
of speed.) The standard journalistic measures in UK are double-decker
buses (length and volume), Wales or Belgium (area), elephants (weight), olympic-sized swimming pools (volume), ...

:-)
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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NY wrote:

This may be a silly question...

You've got the router that your are trying to configure on the same LAN
as the the PC that you are trying to access. But have you removed the
router that you normally use to access the internet? It is an error to
have two DHCP servers (test router and normal router) on the same LAN.

If you've not already done this, try it and check that ipconfig gets an
IP address of the form 192.168.1.x and a gateway of 192.168.1.1 - I'm wondering whether the ip config details you are seeing have been
allocated by your "real" router.

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router, bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I
notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).

Apologies if this has been suggested as I only skimmed the answers so far.

As far as I know, you do not need to "log into" the router to test connectivity, since you can ping it instead (which is a simpler protocol).

Like everyone here, I've set up a billion routers, where, IMHO, the safest
way is to connect it DIRECTLY to the PC by the RJ45 Ethernet cable.

1. You manually set your PC to be on your subnet, e.g., 192.168.1.2
2. You connect the RJ45 PC output to a router LAN (not WAN!) port
3. You should be able to pint the router from the pc
c:\> ping 192.168.1.1

Once you can ping it, you've at least established it's communicating.
Then you can worry about http vs https and password casing, etc.

You can do this if you only have Wi-Fi on your pc too, but it's not
as direct since the wired connection is a far simpler connectivity.
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Maria Sophia wrote on 4/23/2026 2:38 PM:

NY wrote:

This may be a silly question...

You've got the router that your are trying to configure on the same LAN
as the the PC that you are trying to access. But have you removed the
router that you normally use to access the internet? It is an error to
have two DHCP servers (test router and normal router) on the same LAN.

If you've not already done this, try it and check that ipconfig gets an
IP address of the form 192.168.1.x and a gateway of 192.168.1.1 - I'm
wondering whether the ip config details you are seeing have been
allocated by your "real" router.

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router,
bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I
notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).

Apologies if this has been suggested as I only skimmed the answers so far.

As far as I know, you do not need to "log into" the router to test connectivity, since you can ping it instead (which is a simpler protocol).

Like everyone here, I've set up a billion routers, where, IMHO, the safest way is to connect it DIRECTLY to the PC by the RJ45 Ethernet cable.

1. You manually set your PC to be on your subnet, e.g., 192.168.1.2
2. You connect the RJ45 PC output to a router LAN (not WAN!) port
3. You should be able to pint the router from the pc
c:\> ping 192.168.1.1

Once you can ping it, you've at least established it's communicating.
Then you can worry about http vs https and password casing, etc.

You can do this if you only have Wi-Fi on your pc too, but it's not
as direct since the wired connection is a far simpler connectivity.

Thanks Mary. I think this thread needs a full blown Tutorial to solve
the problem in depth.


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On Thu, 4/23/2026 3:15 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-23 19:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/23 17:39:46, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

And HD (and SSD) manufacturers often still use the powers of ten (or a
thousand), rather than powers of 2 (or 1024), when talking about their
capacity, too.

They always did.

And now, well, since a few years, all the industry must do the same.
If you count in powers of two, you must use different units, the bibyte.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

There's plenty of material for rants in here :-)

Paul
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On 24/04/2026 3:27 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/23 17:39:46, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

Yes, thank you for the correction. Silly Me!!

And HD (and SSD) manufacturers often still use the powers of ten (or a thousand), rather than powers of 2 (or 1024), when talking about their capacity, too.

And for storage, the Byte is a pretty useful measure. Furlongs
and Olympic Pools, less so.

Hmm!! "Olympic Pools"?? Funny you should mention them.

Back, when I was a kid (the 60's-70's), the local Council had a Public Swimming Pool (1ft deep babies pool, 2ft deep kids pool, 50mtr Swimming
Pool, and a Diving Pool).

The 50mtr Pool (eight lanes wide) was about 1mtr deep at one end and
about 2.5mtrs deep at the other end.

Is that the sort of profile of the Usual Olympic Pool at "The Games" now-a-days??

(That Swimming Pool has since been Bulldozed, filled in and is now the
Car Park for the (next door) Technical and Further Education (TaFE) School.)

Paul

(I used to know someone who like "furlongs per fortnight" as a measure
of speed.) The standard journalistic measures in UK are double-decker
buses (length and volume), Wales or Belgium (area), elephants (weight), olympic-sized swimming pools (volume), ...

"Wales or Belgium (area)"!! So you're talking SMALL areas then, are
you?? ;-P
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On 24/04/2026 5:17 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 00:15:08 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

On 23/04/2026 11:57 pm, Tim Slattery wrote:

Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On 23/04/2026 3:15 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

... and then you get into "Back in the Day, a Byte was EIGHT Bits
wide.
Now .... what, 32 bits, 64 bits 128 bits, 256 bits" Who knows??

No, a byte is 8 bits. A word is machine-defined, but a byte is always 8
bits.

Ah!! O.K., then. There's my confusion.

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

'b' is bits, 'B' is bytes. So, you said 8 terrabyte bits.

Yes, my Typo. Sorry!! 'B' for 'Bigger', 'b' for lessor.
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On 2026-04-24 10:44, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 3:15 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-23 19:27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2026/4/23 17:39:46, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 4/23/2026 10:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

[]

So does a 1TB HD/SSD have 8TB bits??

You would use a small "b" for bits, a large "B" for bytes.

And HD (and SSD) manufacturers often still use the powers of ten (or a
thousand), rather than powers of 2 (or 1024), when talking about their
capacity, too.

They always did.

And now, well, since a few years, all the industry must do the same.
If you count in powers of two, you must use different units, the bibyte.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

There's plenty of material for rants in here :-)

I don't care, it is the law :-D :-P
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On 24/04/2026 5:11 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 03:08:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later
Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R,
enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

Are you sure? I thought most what we call in the UK "routers" (actually
usually combined MoDem, router, wifi station, and maybe other things)
had a web interface, which could be accessed regardless of what OS your
browser is running under.

Yes, and I was describing how to find the address for that web interface.

BTW, MoDem is actually correct (originally modulator-demodulator),
although I'd expect very few to know that now.

[snip]

(As, I think, UseNet is mainly an 'oldies' location, I'd expect most
here to be aware of THAT .... except ours memories have probably
forgotten it!! ;-P )
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On 2026/4/23 20:11:3, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 03:08:42 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later
Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R,
enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

Are you sure? I thought most what we call in the UK "routers" (actually
usually combined MoDem, router, wifi station, and maybe other things)
had a web interface, which could be accessed regardless of what OS your
browser is running under.

Yes, and I was describing how to find the address for that web interface.

Yes, I was wrong - I thought you were saying it was no longer available
by GUI (browser), but on re-reading what you said, you weren't, you were
just saying how to find the address (and that _that_ had changed since 9x.

BTW, MoDem is actually correct (originally modulator-demodulator),
although I'd expect very few to know that now.

I know, and I always spell (well, type) it like that; similarly CoDec,
though I'm not sure I'm as rigorous there. (coder-decoder - nearly
always software)

[snip]

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On Fri, 4/24/2026 5:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
pretty useful measure. Furlongs

and Olympic Pools, less so.

Hmm!! "Olympic Pools"?? Funny you should mention them.

Back, when I was a kid (the 60's-70's), the local Council had a Public Swimming Pool (1ft deep babies pool, 2ft deep kids pool, 50mtr Swimming Pool, and a Diving Pool).

The 50mtr Pool (eight lanes wide) was about 1mtr deep at one end and about 2.5mtrs deep at the other end.

Is that the sort of profile of the Usual Olympic Pool at "The Games" now-a-days??

(That Swimming Pool has since been Bulldozed, filled in and is now the Car Park for the (next door) Technical and Further Education (TaFE) School.)

We had one of those.

Full 10rCametre diving complex with 3m, 5m, 7.5m, and 10m platforms
plus 1m and 3m springboards for diving training and competition.

See how the guys feet are pointed, instead of flat ?
I think he's gone off a platform before :-) If you keep your
feet flat, it even stings off the second platform.

https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/saltwire/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/297fcb9cac3548a49896101e5e26d683.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&h=846&type=webp&sig=utMGiQ5jcFSSIly5iG2N0w

And you've only got 16 feet depth on the deep end, as near as I can remember. You need a plan for "arcing out" on entry, so you don't strike bottom.

Paul
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Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in
news:10s9ukd$23bd5$1@dont-email.me:

Paul wrote:

[snip]

You HAVE to use Ethernet after a factory reset. (Whereas one other
person in the thread, figures that Wifi should work as an interface for
accessing the router.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wifi/comments/ynu9kg/r6400_netgearfactory_reset
_will_not_accept/

Th1s looks like router and network confusion!

A little bit user confusion, too.

I followed your suggestions, and ran into problems at Step 6. I couldn't connect to the router. Ok. I'll connect the router's WAN port to the
Xfinity modem/router, and see what happen. This got me to the router's
set-up page.

Here are images of the sequential steps I took before I decided not to go
any further. I didn't want to mess up the network settings at this house.
I'll experiment more when at home, where I can afford to break things.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/3vj0XYn

In the future, I'd like to replace the Xfinity modem/router here with my
own equipment.

Thanks.

Step 1 - power off the router that you normally use for your internet connection, so that we are absolutely sure that you are not connecting
to it by mistake.

Step 2 - disconnect your test computer from everything (apart from mains power). Reboot that computer. Verify that it does not have a connection
to any network, not wired, not wireless, not a neighbour's WiFi, etc.

Step 3 - connect your test computer to the router that you have factory reset using an Ethernet cable. As Paul suggests, from the factory reset
its WiFi is probably disabled, so you would not expect to be able to
connect to it that way. Do not connect the WAN port of that router to
your internet modem.

Step 4 - power up the test computer and the router. Ensure that the
test computer's network adapter is configured to use DHCP.

Step 5 - from a command line use ipconfig /all - it should show only one network, something like "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection".
Identify the IP address of your computer, and of the router. The
router's IP address will be listed as "default gateway".

Step 5 - use ping <default gateway> to verify that the router responds
at its IP address.

Step 6 - use a browser to open the IP address "default gateway". You
should be prompted for a login name and password. This is NOT the SSID
and WiFi password. It will be shown on the label on its underside.
From a factory reset Googling suggest it is "admin" and "password"

Tell us which step fails in the worklist above and we may be able to
help further.

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Boris wrote:

[snip]

Th1s looks like router and network confusion!

A little bit user confusion, too.

I followed your suggestions, and ran into problems at Step 6. I couldn't connect to the router. Ok. I'll connect the router's WAN port to the
Xfinity modem/router, and see what happen. This got me to the router's set-up page.

Which router: the Netgear AC1750 or the Xfinity ???

I have met routers (specifically a Technicolour TG588v v2) which behave
very oddly when there is no WAN connection. I found that I had to log
in within about a minute of power-up - as soon as I saw 10 reliable
replies to ping; if I waited any longer my browser would not open the
router's management page, despite ping -t continuing to respond. Given
that one needs the management page to set up the ISP's login and
password this is a nasty Catch-22.

I've not seen that problem with Netgear routers. Can anybody here
confirm that the WAN connection is necessary before the user can log in
via a LAN port to a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router, please?

I still suspect that you have not achieved a factory reset of your
Netgear router.

What model is the Xfinity modem/router please?

Is the Xfinity modem/router the property of the assisted living complex?

Why do you want to use your own Netgear router?

Please answer my questions below.

[snip]

Step 1 - power off the router that you normally use for your internet
connection, so that we are absolutely sure that you are not connecting
to it by mistake.

Step 2 - disconnect your test computer from everything (apart from mains
power). Reboot that computer. Verify that it does not have a connection
to any network, not wired, not wireless, not a neighbour's WiFi, etc.

Step 3 - connect your test computer to the router that you have factory
reset using an Ethernet cable. As Paul suggests, from the factory reset
its WiFi is probably disabled, so you would not expect to be able to
connect to it that way. Do not connect the WAN port of that router to
your internet modem.

Step 4 - power up the test computer and the router. Ensure that the
test computer's network adapter is configured to use DHCP.

Step 5 - from a command line use ipconfig /all - it should show only one
network, something like "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection".
Identify the IP address of your computer, and of the router. The
router's IP address will be listed as "default gateway".

Please tell us these IP addresses. This will help us confirm that you
have achieved a factory reset.

Step 5 - use ping <default gateway> to verify that the router responds
at its IP address.

Please confirm that you can ping the router. Use ping -t and leave it
running so you can see if it ever fails; particularly if it fails at the
point where you try to use the browser to view the configuration page.

Step 6 - use a browser to open the IP address "default gateway". You
should be prompted for a login name and password. This is NOT the SSID
and WiFi password. It will be shown on the label on its underside.
From a factory reset Googling suggest it is "admin" and "password"

Please try different browsers: Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc.

Typing just the IP address - e.g. 192.168.1.1 - into the browser's
address field should give a result.

If not the explicit http://192.168.1.1:80 ought to display a login page.
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On 25/04/2026 1:37 am, Paul wrote:

On Fri, 4/24/2026 5:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote: pretty useful measure.
Furlongs

and Olympic Pools, less so.

Hmm!! "Olympic Pools"?? Funny you should mention them.

Back, when I was a kid (the 60's-70's), the local Council had a
Public Swimming Pool (1ft deep babies pool, 2ft deep kids pool,
50mtr Swimming Pool, and a Diving Pool).

The 50mtr Pool (eight lanes wide) was about 1mtr deep at one end
and about 2.5mtrs deep at the other end.

Is that the sort of profile of the Usual Olympic Pool at "The
Games" now-a-days??

(That Swimming Pool has since been Bulldozed, filled in and is now
the Car Park for the (next door) Technical and Further Education
(TaFE) School.)

We had one of those.

Full 10rCametre diving complex with 3m, 5m, 7.5m, and 10m platforms
plus 1m and 3m springboards for diving training and competition.

See how the guys feet are pointed, instead of flat ? I think he's
gone off a platform before :-) If you keep your feet flat, it even
stings off the second platform.

https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/saltwire/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/297fcb9cac3548a49896101e5e26d683.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&h=846&type=webp&sig=utMGiQ5jcFSSIly5iG2N0w

And you've only got 16 feet depth on the deep end, as near as I can
remember. You need a plan for "arcing out" on entry, so you don't
strike bottom.

Paul

Sixteen Feet!! Bloody Hell! I think our 50mtr pool was three foot at one
end and six foot at the other (but may have been 10ft).

The Diving Pool (10ft high main Board with 3ft Boards either side) was
just ten foot deep .... but I think I only went off one of the 3ft
boards once or twice.
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Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote in
news:10shrej$lqdm$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote:

[snip]

Th1s looks like router and network confusion!

A little bit user confusion, too.

I followed your suggestions, and ran into problems at Step 6. I
couldn't connect to the router. Ok. I'll connect the router's WAN port
to the Xfinity modem/router, and see what happen. This got me to the
router's set-up page.

Which router: the Netgear AC1750 or the Xfinity ???

The Netgear AC1750 router.

I have met routers (specifically a Technicolour TG588v v2) which behave
very oddly when there is no WAN connection. I found that I had to log
in within about a minute of power-up - as soon as I saw 10 reliable
replies to ping; if I waited any longer my browser would not open the router's management page, despite ping -t continuing to respond. Given
that one needs the management page to set up the ISP's login and
password this is a nasty Catch-22.

I've not seen that problem with Netgear routers. Can anybody here
confirm that the WAN connection is necessary before the user can log in
via a LAN port to a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router, please?

I still suspect that you have not achieved a factory reset of your
Netgear router.

What model is the Xfinity modem/router please?

It's an Arris (Xfinity issued) Touchstone TG4482 Telephony Gateway.

Is the Xfinity modem/router the property of the assisted living complex?

I don't know why you think this location is an assisted living complex.
This is a vacation home. The Xfinity modem/router is rented from Xfinity.

Why do you want to use your own Netgear router?

I don't want to set up/configure this Netgear router to use here. I just
want to get into it's settings to change the user name and password, and
poke aroung. I plan to us it at another location. I will continue to use
the Xfinity modem/router at this location.

Please answer my questions below.

Sure.

[snip]

Step 1 - power off the router that you normally use for your internet
connection, so that we are absolutely sure that you are not connecting
to it by mistake.

Step 2 - disconnect your test computer from everything (apart from
mains power). Reboot that computer. Verify that it does not have a
connection to any network, not wired, not wireless, not a neighbour's
WiFi, etc.

Step 3 - connect your test computer to the router that you have
factory reset using an Ethernet cable. As Paul suggests, from the
factory reset its WiFi is probably disabled, so you would not expect
to be able to connect to it that way. Do not connect the WAN port of
that router to your internet modem.

Step 4 - power up the test computer and the router. Ensure that the
test computer's network adapter is configured to use DHCP.

Step 5 - from a command line use ipconfig /all - it should show only
one network, something like "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection".
Identify the IP address of your computer, and of the router. The
router's IP address will be listed as "default gateway".

Please tell us these IP addresses. This will help us confirm that you
have achieved a factory reset.

The only way I can access the Netgear's settings page is by doing a
factory resest, connecting one of the Netgear's LAN ports to the ethernet
port of my laptop, AND connecting the Xfinity modem/router's ethernet port
to the Netgear's WAN port. I then open a browser and go to 192.168.1.1.
Only then can I access the Netgear's set up page.

The Xfinity modem/router's IP is 10.0.0.1.

Step 5 - use ping <default gateway> to verify that the router responds
at its IP address.

Please confirm that you can ping the router. Use ping -t and leave it running so you can see if it ever fails; particularly if it fails at the point where you try to use the browser to view the configuration page.

ping 192.168.1.1 -t never fails

Step 6 - use a browser to open the IP address "default gateway". You
should be prompted for a login name and password. This is NOT the
SSID and WiFi password. It will be shown on the label on its
underside. From a factory reset Googling suggest it is "admin" and
"password"

Please try different browsers: Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc.

I did, with the same result.

Typing just the IP address - e.g. 192.168.1.1 - into the browser's
address field should give a result.

After disconnecting my laptop's ethernet connection to the Xfinity modem/router, and doing a factory reset of the Netgear router, and
connecting the Netgear's LAN to my laptop's ethernet port, launching a
browser to 192.168.1.1 get's to the Netgear's router, which tells me I'm
not connected to a broadband modem port. That's when I connect the
Xfinity modem/router's ethernet port to the Netgear's WAN port, and I'm
able to get to Netgear's set up page.

If not the explicit http://192.168.1.1:80 ought to display a login page.

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On Sun, 4/26/2026 3:31 PM, Boris wrote:

After disconnecting my laptop's ethernet connection to the Xfinity modem/router, and doing a factory reset of the Netgear router, and
connecting the Netgear's LAN to my laptop's ethernet port, launching a browser to 192.168.1.1 get's to the Netgear's router, which tells me I'm
not connected to a broadband modem port. That's when I connect the
Xfinity modem/router's ethernet port to the Netgear's WAN port, and I'm
able to get to Netgear's set up page.

And that's because it isn't exactly a conventional router. It
wants to be a "[smart] router" and analyze your available hardware
(hooked up) for opportunities to change modes. in the same way that
Win7 attempted to build a map of the hardware in the room (a capability
that was not transferred to any later Windows version).

Whereas most people want to select the modes for the equipment themselves.
Like select whether to be bridged or routed.

The series of questions that router is asking, would annoy the hell
out of me. Just write the damn manual in the conventional way
and... "get outta my road" :-) Is that so much to ask ?

Nothing prevents the hardware from having completed whatever you wanted,
by a simple LAN connection from the laptop to the router. That should have
been sufficient to allow authentication and settings changes. I do this
sort of stuff, on occasion here, just a LAN connection to a box with
a processor in it, and we talk.

And you didn't need to do 192.168.1.1 (but that's the way I do it too),
as the router manual actually names the symbolic address the box uses.
Using the symbolic name, the router would have "resolved" the address
for you. If the router is not-bricked, it should resolve the symbolic
address and tell the browser what number to use.

Paul
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Boris wrote:

[snip]

Is the Xfinity modem/router the property of the assisted living complex?

I don't know why you think this location is an assisted living complex.
This is a vacation home. The Xfinity modem/router is rented from Xfinity.

Sorry, but I thought that's what you told us ...
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Paul wrote:

On Sun, 4/26/2026 3:31 PM, Boris wrote:

After disconnecting my laptop's ethernet connection to the Xfinity
modem/router, and doing a factory reset of the Netgear router, and
connecting the Netgear's LAN to my laptop's ethernet port, launching a
browser to 192.168.1.1 gets to the Netgear's router, which tells me I'm
not connected to a broadband modem port. That's when I connect the
Xfinity modem/router's ethernet port to the Netgear's WAN port, and I'm
able to get to Netgear's set up page.

And that's because it isn't exactly a conventional router. It
wants to be a "[smart] router" and analyze your available hardware
(hooked up) for opportunities to change modes. in the same way that
Win7 attempted to build a map of the hardware in the room (a capability
that was not transferred to any later Windows version).

Does anybody else here have a Netgear AC1750 router? Can you confirm
that this is the expected behaviour, please?

[snip]

Nothing prevents the hardware from having completed whatever you wanted,
by a simple LAN connection from the laptop to the router. That should have been sufficient to allow authentication and settings changes. I do this > sort of stuff, on occasion here, just a LAN connection to a box with
a processor in it, and we talk.

I think we all agree with Paul that this is the expected behaviour of
all routers. So why is this Netgear AC1750 so different?

And you didn't need to do 192.168.1.1 (but that's the way I do it too),
as the router manual actually names the symbolic address the box uses.
Using the symbolic name, the router would have "resolved" the address
for you. If the router is not-bricked, it should resolve the symbolic
address and tell the browser what number to use.

Too clever for its own good!

Using the IP address avoids the risk that the router fails to evaluate
the symbolic address (if you mistyped it, for example). If you mistype
the IP address, at least you should be able to recognise that fact and
correct your error.
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On 2026-04-26 22:26, Graham J wrote:

Boris wrote:

[snip]

Is the Xfinity modem/router the property of the assisted living complex?

I don't know why you think this location is an assisted living complex.
This is a vacation home.-a The Xfinity modem/router is rented from
Xfinity.

Sorry, but I thought that's what you told us ...

That was jetjock. He also confused me.
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Boris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote in
news:10s93pe$1ssbr$1@dont-email.me:

On 4/21/2026 6:23 PM, Boris wrote:

I use a Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router on my home network.

I have another Netgear AC1750 R6400 v2 router that I've been using
on another home network for many years.

On both routers, when first purchased, I logged in (192.168.1.1) and
used the default user name, "admin", and default password,
"password", to make changes to the settings, such as SSID, user
name, and password.

I no longer need one of the routers, and want to set it up in
another home. Before setting it up at this new location, I did a
factory reset (button on back). The factory reset was
successful...the SSID reverted back to the factory assigned SSID
listed on the back of the router.

The new setup connects to the internet just fine and shows up as the
factory SSID, but I can't log in to the settings to change. Going
to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 times out. Going to
http://www.routerlogin.net is of no help.

Any ideas?

Clear your browser cache.
Try another browser

Thanks much. I've already tried that with no luck.

My internet provider also provides a modem. In order for me to use my personal modem I had to have them put theirs into bridge mode. Not sure if this would apply to your problem because I did not read through the
messages.
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 10:33:35 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

Windows uses as a default, a /24 (256 addresses) for 192.168.23.X
rather than using the entire /16 (65536 addresses) and allowing
anything in the 192.168.X.X range. This can mean, you need to widen
the netmask in Windows, there is a command for that. But to use that
command, there is a second command which shows the "counting number"
of the interface. And that counting number helps identify which
interface you are widening the netmask on. In the example below,
the counting number value goes well past the "7" you think is the limit.

Most of the folks around here would probably choose to use the Windows
GUI to make IP addressing changes, rather than the CLI. It's way easier
that way.

You can see, by using ipconfig, just what a mess it is in there.
Yes, the machine has three NICs and it has three virtual machine
hosting environments. It's a good thing they don't have to talk
to one another <snicker> . By the way, you can reach me at 127.0.0.1
because there is no place like home.

ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration

Media disconnected
Media disconnected
192.168.56.1
192.168.23.10
169.254.250.165 # APIPA ? Maybe means no DHCP is visible.
192.168.109.1
172.22.224.1

If that's a mess, I better not share mine. I have over a dozen IPs
stacked on my physical NIC, plus nearly two dozen IPs on virtual NICs.
My configuration isn't typical.

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 13:00:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

[]

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:29:00 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router, >bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I
notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).

Note that IPs are assigned to interfaces (NICs), not to computers, so if
WiFi and wired Ethernet are both enabled and connected, they MUST have different IP addresses.

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On 22 Apr 2026 17:26:23 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Boris wrote:

[snip]

I have the manual. By default page, I assume you mean what is described
on the label on the underside of the router: SSID, user name, and
password. I've got all that...still no luck.

Those are WiFi settings. I mean the page you get that asks you to log in
to the router. Many respond to 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1.

Otherwise connect your computer to that router and see what IP you get.
The computer should also give you the address of the router (gateway,
and often DNS too). It probably ends in 1.

When I connect to the router, ethernet or wifi, when I go into Windows
Network settings, I'm not shown the IP or gateway for the router.

Interestingly, Windows 9x showed that information in the GUI, but later >Windows is different. You need to go to the command line (Windowskey-R, >enter 'cmd') and enter "ipconfig'.

You can still see that info in the GUI. Open "Network and Internet
settings", then click on "Change Adapter Options", dbl-click the
interface that you're interested in, then click "Details".

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Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 13:00:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

[]

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

My netgear started using the 10.x.x. x address after i put it in bridge
mode for my satellite modem . There was no notification, and it took a
while to figure out that it had changed.



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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 15:02:15 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

For IPv4 (the older, traditional type of IP addresses)...
10.x.y.z, 172.16.y.z-172.31.y.z and 192.168.y.z are non-routeable
addresses which routers know are reserved for private LANs - for
computers which are the private side of the router. Traffic between >non-routeable addresses will remain within the LAN and will not be
routed on the "scary" public side (the internet).

Correct, and if you break down the device that we call a router into its
major components, LAN traffic never actually reaches the router function
of the router. It never gets farther than the Ethernet switch portion of
that device. The switch is connected to the router function via a
bridge, so traffic that doesn't need to be routed is never allowed to
cross the bridge. The access point that gives a router device its WiFi capability is also directly connected to the Ethernet switch, meaning
it's also on the LAN side of the bridge.

If traffic from a private address wants to go to an external site, the >router's NAT (network address translation) code strips off the private
IP address in each packet and substitutes the router's public IP address >(allocated by your ISP) and adds a unique ID so when the reply comes
back, the NAT can perform a reverse substitution of IP address,
selecting the correct one by the unique ID.

There are two addressing fields in an IPv4 packet, the IP address and
the MAC address. For intraLAN traffic, the destination IP is used to
resolve the destination MAC (via the ARP protocol), and then the MAC is
used to send the traffic to it's LAN destination. Every device on that
LAN segment will see every packet, but every device will ignore every
packet unless the destination MAC in the packet matches the MAC on a
specific interface. (Two scenarios: the destination MAC doesn't match,
so the packet is ignored, versus the dest MAC matches and the packet is
sent up the network stack, with the various layers of the packet getting stripped off at each OSI layer until only the actual payload remains.)

For LAN -> WAN traffic, the sending host recognizes that the destination
IP is outside of the scope of the locally configured netmask, so it puts
the remote IP into the packet as the destination IP, but it doesn't try
to resolve the MAC address for that remote IP, which it wouldn't be able
to do anyway. Instead, it substitutes the MAC address of the applicable gateway, which is usually the default gateway. A LAN can have multiple gateways, but only one can be the default gateway. All of the other
hosts on the LAN will see that traffic and ignore it, but the default
gateway will recognize its own MAC address and act on the packet. The
router function of the default gateway will determine the next hop for
that packet, then it will rewrite the destination MAC to be that of the
next hop router and send it off. At the next hop, exactly the same thing happens, with each hop getting the packet one step closer to its
destination. At the final hop, the destination MAC will be rewritten to
the MAC address of the host that owns the destination IP, again, using
the ARP protocol.

When a packet traverses the local router, destined for a host on a
remote network, the router's stateful firewall creates an entry in its connection table, if it doesn't already exist. It captures the source
address, source port, destination address, destination port, and usually
the protocol. These pieces of information are called a tuple, or in this
case a 5-tuple because of the 5 elements. When a packet arrives back at
the local router, the connection table is queried and if there's a
match, the traffic will be allowed to enter the LAN. Before that can
happen, the router must rewrite the destination IP and dest MAC fields.
This info will be found in the connection table. Usually, the MAC info
will be cached by the router, but if not, the router will use ARP to
discover it.

Seems like a lot of steps, but it works pretty well.

<snip>

And then we get IPv6. That is bloody scary because your 8-byte IP
address is always public. There is no NAT, so in theory someone using >Wireshark on the internet can trace traffic back to your specific PC.
You are placing all your security on the router's firewall and hoping
that it will block unsolicited incoming traffic. But if (heaven forbid)
the traffic gets through, it can find its way to your specific PC on the >LAN, rather than just "this is for someone on your LAN but I don't know
who, so bin it").

That's my understanding, anyway. I may have woefully misunderstood IPv6
(*), but the way it has been implemented scares me to death. It would
have been so much better if only the public address had been IPv6 and >routers still did NAT and conversion between IPv4 and IPv6 so devices on >your LAN still have short addresses that you have a fighting chance of >remembering and typing 192.168.1.x which only differ in one byte. Maybe >allow the last *two* bytes to distinguish between devices on your LAN,
in case you get more than 256 devices and need 65536 devices. (Before
anyone corrects me, I *know* that 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.1.255 are
reserved for broadcasts and multicasts, and one address will be given to
the router so you will have 252 remaining.) But "roughly 250" and
"roughly 64 K" are close enough!

I call it 253 rather than 252, but close enough. As for your last point,
you can get there by adjusting your netmask.

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On Sat, 9 May 2026 06:56:54 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers
<invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 13:00:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

On 2026/4/22 4:36:30, Boris wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in

[]

Check also http://10.0.0.1

Thanks, but here's what I got:

https://postimg.cc/3dfK6n2Z

I've had one router where the interface address was 10.0.0.2 .
Otherwise, 192.168.x.y where x.y are 0.0, 0.1, 1.0, 1.1 ... I'm very
hazy what these all mean. But try 10.0.0.2 .

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

My netgear started using the 10.x.x. x address after i put it in bridge
mode for my satellite modem . There was no notification, and it took a
while to figure out that it had changed.

Good point. I was referring to the default 'router' mode.

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On 2026-05-09 09:16, Char Jackson wrote:

There are two addressing fields in an IPv4 packet, the IP address and
the MAC address. For intraLAN traffic, the destination IP is used to
resolve the destination MAC (via the ARP protocol), and then the MAC is
used to send the traffic to it's LAN destination. Every device on that
LAN segment will see every packet, but every device will ignore every
packet unless the destination MAC in the packet matches the MAC on a
specific interface.

I believe this is true with a hub, but not with a switch. The traffic
should only go into the exact cable in which the destination is
connected, not the other cables.

Unless the switch is configured to mirror all traffic into all ports.
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On Sat, 09 May 2026 00:56:15 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

True with the usual home subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Its the host portion of the address than can't be 0 (or all 1 like 192.168.255.255/24). If you have a subnet mask of 255.255.0.0, then 192.168.1.0 IS valid (host portion of IP is not 0).
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On Sat, 09 May 2026 00:58:54 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:29:00 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router, >>bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I >>notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).

Note that IPs are assigned to interfaces (NICs), not to computers, so if
WiFi and wired Ethernet are both enabled and connected, they MUST have different IP addresses.

I've seen a machine where both interfaces use the same MAC, but you can't
use both at the same time.
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On Sat, 9 May 2026 14:07:12 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2026-05-09 09:16, Char Jackson wrote:

There are two addressing fields in an IPv4 packet, the IP address and
the MAC address. For intraLAN traffic, the destination IP is used to
resolve the destination MAC (via the ARP protocol), and then the MAC is
used to send the traffic to it's LAN destination. Every device on that
LAN segment will see every packet, but every device will ignore every
packet unless the destination MAC in the packet matches the MAC on a
specific interface.

I believe this is true with a hub, but not with a switch. The traffic
should only go into the exact cable in which the destination is
connected, not the other cables.

Unless the switch is configured to mirror all traffic into all ports.

That's an excellent correction, thanks. The switch might 'learn' which
port a host is on by flooding all of the ports and watching for the
reply, but then it would restrict further packets to the one port that
replied.

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On 09 May 2026 16:06:01 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 09 May 2026 00:56:15 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

True with the usual home subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Its the host portion of the address than can't be 0 (or all 1 like >192.168.255.255/24). If you have a subnet mask of 255.255.0.0, then >192.168.1.0 IS valid (host portion of IP is not 0).

True, but in the context in which we're talking it's going to be hard to
find anything other than a /24 netmask.

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On 09 May 2026 16:07:28 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 09 May 2026 00:58:54 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:29:00 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Maybe make up a test LAN with your PC connected to the test router, >>>bypassing the real router altogether (and turn off wifi on the PC - I >>>notice that ipconfig is listing both Ethernet and wifi with different
IPs which *may* be an inadvisable setup).

Note that IPs are assigned to interfaces (NICs), not to computers, so if
WiFi and wired Ethernet are both enabled and connected, they MUST have
different IP addresses.

I've seen a machine where both interfaces use the same MAC, but you can't >use both at the same time.

As a variation on that weirdness, I once worked at a place that
purchased a proxy platform, consisting of a redundant pair of load
balancers and 12 proxy servers, where each of the proxy servers had the
same MAC. Very unusual, but it worked, of course, since it was designed
with that in mind.

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On Sat, 09 May 2026 14:01:22 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On 09 May 2026 16:06:01 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 09 May 2026 00:56:15 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I've never seen a Netgear router that uses 10.x.x.x, so I wouldn't be
too hopeful there. Also, an IPv4 address ending in .0 isn't valid.

True with the usual home subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Its the host portion of the address than can't be 0 (or all 1 like >>192.168.255.255/24). If you have a subnet mask of 255.255.0.0, then >>192.168.1.0 IS valid (host portion of IP is not 0).

True, but in the context in which we're talking it's going to be hard to
find anything other than a /24 netmask.

Yes. I still try to be accurate.
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"War to the death against depravity--depravity is Christianity."
[Nietzsche]
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