• Re: [OT] = X-rays and medical costs

    From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 06:58:47 2026
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    On 2026/10/2 4:22:22, c186282 wrote:
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    short brutal and painful ........

    I think I once came across a legal firm of that name ... :-)
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 02:21:45 2026
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    On 10/2/26 01:58, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/10/2 4:22:22, c186282 wrote:
    []
    short brutal and painful ........

    I think I once came across a legal firm of that name ... :-)

    If so - WOW ! :-)

    Anyway, human life WAS like that for at
    least a million+ years. Neanderthals
    were 99.9% like us so I'll include them.
    Except maybe deep east Africa, everybody
    has Neanderthal genes.

    Living beyond 25 ... RARE in the old days.
    A bunch of things would RUIN and ROT you.
    A very painful end.

    Oddly the dedicated "hunter-gatherer"
    cultures did the best ... lots of
    physical activity, high-protein, lots
    of on-the-spot judgement/reaction.
    SEEMS what our species was tuned for.

    Found some records for the UK, Birmingham
    perhaps. The average age of death for
    "ordinary workers" was *19* in the
    mid 1800s. "Business people" could
    expect maybe *35* on average. Only
    "lords" with huge bank accounts could
    expect much better. Even then - PAIN !

    Often the 'doctors' were worse than
    the diseases. Can STILL be such.

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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 11:35:18 2026
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    On 2026-10-02 05:22, c186282 wrote:
    On 10/1/26 18:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-10-01, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On 2026/10/1 3:27:5, c186282 wrote:

    On 9/30/26 21:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2026/10/1 0:7:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
    []
    X-Ray machines were high power, not even doctors use them nowdays. >>>>>> They
    use photos instead, now made with a electronic sensors, not
    chemicals.
    So very low power.

    I'm pretty sure my dentist still uses film and X-rays, though they
    seem
    to develop (and scan) them _amazingly_ quickly - but they still go out >>>>> of the room (same principle as the shoe salesmen, I think) to fire the >>>>> machine.

    -a-a-a My dentists switched to e-sensors rather long back.

    -a-a-a They now use a hand-held x-ray "gun". The old big
    -a-a-a dedicated x-ray rigs are gone. Nobody uses the
    -a-a-a lead aprons anymore.

    Mine uses a thing about (I think) the size of a (British) football,
    that's on a suspension arm; she positions it, along with something on a
    wire frame inside my mouth (sometimes I help hold that and/or the spout
    of the source); she (and the assistant) go out of the room, though I see >>> no sign of any apron.

    My procedure is very much the same - except that there is a
    lead apron that they drape on me before leaving the room.


    -a Wow - yer people are over a decade behind the curve !

    -a Also means yer getting 100x the needed dose of rays.

    -a Um ... are you somewhere with an NHS ???

    -a As I said, mine ditched the dedicated x-ray rigs quite
    -a awhile ago. Now they just jam an e-sensor in yer mouth
    -a and the tech aims the best angle with the x-ray "gun".
    -a Pull the trigger, 'beep' ! No more lead.

    I assume the "shot" lasts a millisecond, to avoid the effect of
    vibration in the hand.


    -a Yea, USA, everybody understands 'guns'-a :-)


    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Then she comes back in, and hands the
    something to
    the assistant, and very quickly - I think less than a minute - there's
    an image on her screen, that _looks_ very much as it's a scan of a small >>> piece of film.

    Last time I looked, the unit on the wall that the arm is attached to
    had a power setting switch, marked something like 85 and 110 kV.

    -a Good old rigs ... set the voltage depending on how 'hard'
    -a you need the rays. I think the new stuff does 'contrast
    -a expansion' so one exposure gives 'em everything they need.

    -a Coolest dentist ... a root-canal expert ... has something
    -a that does the mini equiv of a VERY high-rez CAT scan. It
    -a is called a "cone x-ray unit". I'm gonna guess 0.01mm rez
    -a minimum which is then enhanced. You can ZOOM those images.
    -a Every tiny calcium thread, micro-channel, clearly visible
    -a and 3-D rotatable.

    -a You sit in a rig with yer head very still and the emitter
    -a kinda goes around in nearly a half circle. 45 seconds.
    -a Detail is just exquisite ! This is vastly better than the
    -a 'surround' x-rays the regular dentists sometimes make.

    It is standing up in my dentist, and yes, lots of details.


    -a Tech, "muggle magic", is COOL. 10X better within a
    -a few years.

    -a Teeth often have more than the traditional SINGLE root
    -a channels at the corners. They're complicated. Typical
    -a biological kludges.

    -a Next visit I'm due for new rays. Had a bad implant removed,
    -a so I want to see what damage was done. They'll do the
    -a regular pix plus a low-rez 'surround'. Yes, old titanium
    -a screw implants CAN go bad - become bacterial magnets. The
    -a doc who removed it wondered if I just wanted a replacement,
    -a but my logic is that if the last one went bad then the
    -a replacement would go bad too - and I'm getting way too
    -a old for chronic dental infections, they'll rot yer
    -a cardiovascular.

    -a Ah, about a year or so ago, came across pix of like a
    -a dozen Neanderthal skulls found in a cave. Ages varied.
    -a However ALL had signs of serious, typically VERY serious,
    -a dental probs. Nearly gone jaws and similar. Teeth are
    -a good, but NOT exactly the best Darwinian tech. Oh well,
    -a life after 25 was not usually in the equation ... short
    -a brutal and painful ........

    Bad design.


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    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 12:28:32 2026
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    On 01/10/2026 20:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    she (and the assistant) go out of the room, though I see
    no sign of any apron.

    The surgery is radiation proof step outside...
    --
    In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
    gets full Marx.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 12:33:17 2026
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    On 02/10/2026 07:21, c186282 wrote:
    Living beyond 25 ... RARE in the old days.
    -a A bunch of things would RUIN and ROT you.
    -a A very painful end.

    Well that needs qualification. IF you managed to reach twenty, you were
    likely to live till 50+

    The killer was infant mortality and fighting your way through things you
    were not immune to and had no vaccines for.

    At least in the later middle ages and the start of the Industrial era.

    Dark age data on mortality demographics is sparse, to sat the least, and
    the pre-history era generates only sporadic corpses for forensic analysis
    --
    In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
    gets full Marx.

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@that.bloke@microsoft.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 13:47:21 2026
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    On 02/10/2026 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 02/10/2026 07:21, c186282 wrote:
    Living beyond 25 ... RARE in the old days.
    -a-a A bunch of things would RUIN and ROT you.
    -a-a A very painful end.

    Well that needs qualification. IF you managed to reach twenty, you were likely to live till 50+

    The killer was infant mortality and fighting your way through things you were not immune to and had no vaccines for.

    At least in the later middle ages and the start of the Industrial era.

    Dark age data on mortality demographics is sparse, to sat the least, and
    the pre-history era generates only sporadic corpses for forensic analysis





    Apparently it is believed that more than half of all the people who have
    died in the entire history of humanity have died of malaria
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 15:17:46 2026
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    On 02/10/2026 13:47, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
    Apparently it is believed that more than half of all the people who have died in the entire history of humanity have died of malaria

    An interesting thought.

    Not sure that it is true.
    --
    "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

    Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14


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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Oct 2 17:34:56 2026
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    On Fri, 2 Oct 2026 06:58:47 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2026/10/2 4:22:22, c186282 wrote:
    []
    short brutal and painful ........

    I think I once came across a legal firm of that name ... :-)

    The 'Car Talk' NPR show included their legal counsel in the ending credits
    -- Dewey, Cheetham, & Howe.
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