• Monitor strangeness

    From Tim Slattery@TimSlattery@utexas.edu to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 09:27:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Se just got a new UHF monitor for my wife's Win11 desktop. I plugged
    in the power cable, and the HDMI cable from the computer, and it
    worked just fine.

    A couple of days later, it showed -- black!! The taskbar on the bottom
    was there and worked just fine. If I started a program from the
    taskbar, it worked fine. But the rest of the desktop was entirely
    black. Right-clicking it got no response. I've never seen this before
    on any computer I've used. We finally rebooted the computer, and it
    came up just fine. Does any body have any idea what might have caused
    this?
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    Tim Slattery
    timslattery <at> utexas <dot> edu
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 09:07:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/18/2026 8:27 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
    Se just got a new UHF monitor for my wife's Win11 desktop. I plugged
    in the power cable, and the HDMI cable from the computer, and it
    worked just fine.

    A couple of days later, it showed -- black!! The taskbar on the bottom
    was there and worked just fine. If I started a program from the
    taskbar, it worked fine. But the rest of the desktop was entirely
    black. Right-clicking it got no response. I've never seen this before
    on any computer I've used. We finally rebooted the computer, and it
    came up just fine. Does any body have any idea what might have caused
    this?

    FWIW, I have seen this exact same thing on one of my desktops. It's
    only a year old and when it happens I usually click on refresh and it relatively quickly works. I have a feeling it has something to do with loading my background images and the associated video driver. Just not
    sure or of much help, I'm afraid.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 11:22:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 18 May 2026 09:07:55 -0500, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
    wrote:

    FWIW, I have seen this exact same thing on one of my desktops. It's
    only a year old and when it happens I usually click on refresh and it >relatively quickly works. I have a feeling it has something to do with >loading my background images and the associated video driver. Just not
    sure or of much help, I'm afraid.

    I have a different problem - I have 2 monitors, 1 28" the other 27".
    Not sure if that's relevant to the current problem.

    My problem is that one of my desktop icons seems to have disappeared
    off the side of the screen and I'm unable to access it (which I'd like
    to do as while the icon is still on my taskbar at the bottom of the
    page, nothing comes up when I click on it so I can't execute the
    program though it always comes up as open when I reboot.

    It's a favorite program so I'm getting increasingly anxious and would
    very much appreciate any tips. TIA...
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 14:34:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Mon, 5/18/2026 9:27 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
    Se just got a new UHF monitor for my wife's Win11 desktop. I plugged
    in the power cable, and the HDMI cable from the computer, and it
    worked just fine.

    A couple of days later, it showed -- black!! The taskbar on the bottom
    was there and worked just fine. If I started a program from the
    taskbar, it worked fine. But the rest of the desktop was entirely
    black. Right-clicking it got no response. I've never seen this before
    on any computer I've used. We finally rebooted the computer, and it
    came up just fine. Does any body have any idea what might have caused
    this?


    In Settings wheel, type "relia" in the search box at the
    top, which brings up the reliability monitor.

    Check for failures logged on various days. A day with a red mark,
    might be a significant event.

    It takes a while to build up a good log of what is going on.
    While the eventvwr.msc can be used right away, that's a lot more clumsy
    for log-sifting.

    *******

    Copilot offers this:

    ***************** CoPilot Answer *********************************************

    "HererCOs the short version first:

    If the taskbar works, app windows draw normally, but the desktop background
    is black and right-clicking the desktop does nothing, then the desktop portion
    of Explorer.exe has failed while the taskbar portion is still running.

    This is a known Windows 10/11 failure mode because Explorer.exe is actually
    two different UI subsystems in one process.

    ## WhatrCOs actually happening

    ### **1. The desktop is not drawn by DWM**
    DWM only composites windows.
    The *desktop surface* (wallpaper, icons, rightrCaclick menu) is drawn by:

    - **Explorer.exe --> "Progman" / "WorkerW" windows**
    - Shell extensions that populate the desktop context menu
    - The wallpaper service

    If that part of Explorer crashes or deadlocks, you get:

    - Black desktop
    - No icons
    - No right-click menu
    - But taskbar still works
    - And application windows still draw normally

    This matches your symptoms exactly.

    ## Why Explorer can partially fail

    Explorer.exe is a single process, but internally it hosts multiple components:

    | Component | Responsible for | Can fail independently? |
    |------------------------------------|----------------------------------------|-------------------------|
    | **Taskbar / Start menu host** | Taskbar, Start, system tray | Yes |
    | **Desktop host (Progman/WorkerW)** | Wallpaper, icons, desktop context menu | Yes |
    | **Shell extensions** | Right-click handlers, icon overlays | Yes |
    | **File Explorer windows** | Folder browsing | Yes |

    If the **desktop host thread** crashes or hangs, Explorer does *not* always terminate the whole process.
    The taskbar thread can continue running normally.

    This is why you can still launch apps.

    ## Most common causes

    ### **1. A shell extension crash**
    This is the #1 cause.

    A thirdrCaparty shell extension (context menu handler, cloud-sync overlay, archive tool, etc.)
    can crash the desktop host thread.

    Symptoms:

    - Right-click on desktop does nothing
    - Right-click inside File Explorer still works
    - Desktop goes black or stops updating

    ### **2. Wallpaper service failure**
    If the wallpaper subsystem fails, Windows falls back to a black background. Combined with a shell crash, it looks like the entire desktop disappeared.

    ### **3. Explorer.exe desktop window destroyed**
    Sometimes the WorkerW window that hosts the desktop simply fails to initialize.

    ### **4. GPU driver reset at the wrong moment**
    This does *not* break DWM, but it can cause ExplorerrCOs desktop host to lose its rendering surface.
    DWM continues to draw windows normally, which matches your observation.

    ## Why itrCOs *not* DWM

    If DWM had failed, you would see:

    - All windows stop drawing
    - No transparency
    - No animations
    - Taskbar glitches
    - Possibly a fallback to "Basic" mode (Win7 behavior)

    You explicitly said:

    - Taskbar works
    - App windows draw normally
    - Only the desktop is black and unresponsive

    That rules out DWM.

    ## How to confirm itrCOs ExplorerrCOs desktop host

    You can verify this with one quick test:

    ### **Press Win+R --> type: `explorer.exe /restart`**

    If the desktop instantly reappears, then the desktop host thread had crashed.

    You can also check in Task Manager:

    - Open **Task Manager --> Details tab**
    - RightrCaclick **explorer.exe --> Create dump file**
    - Inspect the dump for a hung thread in a shell extension DLL
    (common offenders: cloud sync clients, archive tools, GPU utilities)

    ***************** END: CoPilot Answer *********************************************

    Now, if I'd asked the LLM-AI how the screen works, I would *never*
    have received this level of detail. Priming the pump on these
    suckers, is all important to getting the right details. You never
    know what you might learn by accident. I didn't know File Explorer
    could limp along like that, without tipping over.

    Paul
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 13:46:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/18/2026 1:34 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 5/18/2026 9:27 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
    Se just got a new UHF monitor for my wife's Win11 desktop. I plugged
    in the power cable, and the HDMI cable from the computer, and it
    worked just fine.

    A couple of days later, it showed -- black!! The taskbar on the bottom
    was there and worked just fine. If I started a program from the
    taskbar, it worked fine. But the rest of the desktop was entirely
    black. Right-clicking it got no response. I've never seen this before
    on any computer I've used. We finally rebooted the computer, and it
    came up just fine. Does any body have any idea what might have caused
    this?


    In Settings wheel, type "relia" in the search box at the
    top, which brings up the reliability monitor.

    Check for failures logged on various days. A day with a red mark,
    might be a significant event.

    It takes a while to build up a good log of what is going on.
    While the eventvwr.msc can be used right away, that's a lot more clumsy
    for log-sifting.

    *******

    Copilot offers this:

    ***************** CoPilot Answer *********************************************

    "HererCOs the short version first:

    If the taskbar works, app windows draw normally, but the desktop background
    is black and right-clicking the desktop does nothing, then the desktop portion
    of Explorer.exe has failed while the taskbar portion is still running.

    This is a known Windows 10/11 failure mode because Explorer.exe is actually
    two different UI subsystems in one process.

    ## WhatrCOs actually happening

    ### **1. The desktop is not drawn by DWM**
    DWM only composites windows.
    The *desktop surface* (wallpaper, icons, rightrCaclick menu) is drawn by:

    - **Explorer.exe --> "Progman" / "WorkerW" windows**
    - Shell extensions that populate the desktop context menu
    - The wallpaper service

    If that part of Explorer crashes or deadlocks, you get:

    - Black desktop
    - No icons
    - No right-click menu
    - But taskbar still works
    - And application windows still draw normally

    This matches your symptoms exactly.

    ## Why Explorer can partially fail

    Explorer.exe is a single process, but internally it hosts multiple components:

    | Component | Responsible for | Can fail independently? |
    |------------------------------------|----------------------------------------|-------------------------|
    | **Taskbar / Start menu host** | Taskbar, Start, system tray | Yes |
    | **Desktop host (Progman/WorkerW)** | Wallpaper, icons, desktop context menu | Yes |
    | **Shell extensions** | Right-click handlers, icon overlays | Yes |
    | **File Explorer windows** | Folder browsing | Yes |

    If the **desktop host thread** crashes or hangs, Explorer does *not* always terminate the whole process.
    The taskbar thread can continue running normally.

    This is why you can still launch apps.

    ## Most common causes

    ### **1. A shell extension crash**
    This is the #1 cause.

    A thirdrCaparty shell extension (context menu handler, cloud-sync overlay, archive tool, etc.)
    can crash the desktop host thread.

    Symptoms:

    - Right-click on desktop does nothing
    - Right-click inside File Explorer still works
    - Desktop goes black or stops updating

    ### **2. Wallpaper service failure**
    If the wallpaper subsystem fails, Windows falls back to a black background. Combined with a shell crash, it looks like the entire desktop disappeared.

    ### **3. Explorer.exe desktop window destroyed**
    Sometimes the WorkerW window that hosts the desktop simply fails to initialize.

    ### **4. GPU driver reset at the wrong moment**
    This does *not* break DWM, but it can cause ExplorerrCOs desktop host to lose its rendering surface.
    DWM continues to draw windows normally, which matches your observation.

    ## Why itrCOs *not* DWM

    If DWM had failed, you would see:

    - All windows stop drawing
    - No transparency
    - No animations
    - Taskbar glitches
    - Possibly a fallback to "Basic" mode (Win7 behavior)

    You explicitly said:

    - Taskbar works
    - App windows draw normally
    - Only the desktop is black and unresponsive

    That rules out DWM.

    ## How to confirm itrCOs ExplorerrCOs desktop host

    You can verify this with one quick test:

    ### **Press Win+R --> type: `explorer.exe /restart`**

    If the desktop instantly reappears, then the desktop host thread had crashed.

    You can also check in Task Manager:

    - Open **Task Manager --> Details tab**
    - RightrCaclick **explorer.exe --> Create dump file**
    - Inspect the dump for a hung thread in a shell extension DLL
    (common offenders: cloud sync clients, archive tools, GPU utilities)

    ***************** END: CoPilot Answer *********************************************

    Now, if I'd asked the LLM-AI how the screen works, I would *never*
    have received this level of detail. Priming the pump on these
    suckers, is all important to getting the right details. You never
    know what you might learn by accident. I didn't know File Explorer
    could limp along like that, without tipping over.

    and in my case, simply right clicking on the desktop and selecting
    refresh restores it back to health, apparently.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon May 18 13:52:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 5/18/2026 1:22 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Mon, 18 May 2026 09:07:55 -0500, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
    wrote:

    FWIW, I have seen this exact same thing on one of my desktops. It's
    only a year old and when it happens I usually click on refresh and it
    relatively quickly works. I have a feeling it has something to do with
    loading my background images and the associated video driver. Just not
    sure or of much help, I'm afraid.

    I have a different problem - I have 2 monitors, 1 28" the other 27".
    Not sure if that's relevant to the current problem.

    My problem is that one of my desktop icons seems to have disappeared
    off the side of the screen and I'm unable to access it (which I'd like
    to do as while the icon is still on my taskbar at the bottom of the
    page, nothing comes up when I click on it so I can't execute the
    program though it always comes up as open when I reboot.

    It's a favorite program so I'm getting increasingly anxious and would
    very much appreciate any tips. TIA...


    I use the split screen all the time, and you should be able to use it to regain control of the window.

    First, click on the off-screen program's icon in the taskbar.
    Next, press the windows key + either left or right arrow.

    You should see it now.
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