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On Sun, 5/3/2026 12:42 PM, AJL wrote:

On 5/3/2026 1:22, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
(Renewed)

It appears I am going to get about 5 hours on the battery but
being a renewed device I do not know if it is a new or old battery.
It does charge to 100% so that is a good sign I think??

Not any kind of clue, IMO; batteries charge indicator of 100% means
they're at capacity,

True. But I have had devices in the past that stopped charging at less
than 100% and IMO that was a definite clue of a battery problem...

but the capacity gets degraded with usage.

Of course. Also with age, and in this renewed tablet battery age is definitely in question...

Bottom line I think I got my 69 bucks worth...

(later post: I think $32 is for just the processor)

Ah. Hard to tell from that excessively technical cut and paste post. If
this thing quits (other than the battery which Amazon has for cheap) I
think I will just add it to our polluted environment...

Yes, the $32 is just for the processor. It won't be socketed, it's
a Ball Grid Array and solders right to the motherboard.

The 2 watt rating, means it is relatively easy to cool. That is all.

Paul
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AJL wrote:

The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that is
correct it is definitely not a new battery.

The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of years old
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On 5/5/2026 2:51, Andy Burns wrote:

AJL wrote:

The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that is
correct it is definitely not a new battery.

The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of years
old

Or older. Maybe third or forth hand? This from a search: The Fujitsu
Stylistic Q508 was primarily released around 2018-2019, with production
and support focusing on that era; it was succeeded by newer models like
the Q509 and Q5010. Today, the Q508 is widely available only as a
refurbished or secondhand device from dealers, particularly in Japan.

Lots of problems but fun to play with. But I've got lots of time on my
hands. I wouldn't suggest it for any serious stuff. Some of the current problems are listed here, more to be discovered soon I'm sure.

The physical keyboard is annoying because the symbols are mostly wrong.
For example to get an apostrophe I have to push the star key.
Fortunately the on screen keyboard is correct and can be used when I
give up trying to find the right symbol.

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

The new problem was after the latest Windows update. The Memory
Integrity switch turned off. It now complains the ACPI.sys driver is the
cause.

But for my nonsensitive uses it works fine as a recreational tablet. And
it may just keep me on Usenet with this TB newsreader app. My Android newsreader PhoNews is becoming unusable as Android advances. Currently
it is still working on my Amazon Fire tablet which uses an older fork of Android but Amazon could upgrade it at any time and spoil things...

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On 5/5/2026 10:11, AJL wrote:

On 5/5/2026 2:51, Andy Burns wrote:

AJL wrote:

The thing that stands out to me is cycle count at 324. If that
is correct it is definitely not a new battery.

The 86% of original capacity suggests it's a likely a couple of
years old

Or older. Maybe third or forth hand? This from a search: The Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 was primarily released around 2018-2019, with
production and support focusing on that era; it was succeeded by
newer models like the Q509 and Q5010. Today, the Q508 is widely
available only as a refurbished or secondhand device from dealers, particularly in Japan.

Lots of problems but fun to play with. But I've got lots of time on
my hands. I wouldn't suggest it for any serious stuff. Some of the
current problems are listed here, more to be discovered soon I'm
sure.

The physical keyboard is annoying because the symbols are mostly
wrong. For example to get an apostrophe I have to push the star key. Fortunately the on screen keyboard is correct and can be used when I
give up trying to find the right symbol.

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours
no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode
it does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

The new problem was after the latest Windows update. The Memory
Integrity switch turned off. It now complains the ACPI.sys driver is
the cause.

But for my nonsensitive uses it works fine as a recreational tablet.
And it may just keep me on Usenet with this TB newsreader app. My
Android newsreader PhoNews is becoming unusable as Android advances. Currently it is still working on my Amazon Fire tablet which uses an
older fork of Android but Amazon could upgrade it at any time and
spoil things...

Right after posting this I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured
maybe I could adjust a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in
Japanese. I was lucky just to find the right buttons to get out... 8-O


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On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:

Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable
Tablet PC, 10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to
2.4 GHz Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home (Renewed)
Home (Renewed)

Right after posting this I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured
maybe I could adjust a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in
Japanese. I was lucky just to find the right buttons to get out...

Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement.

Fugitsu Stylistic Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language configurations.

A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English

If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings), you
can typically switch to English:
Use the right arrow key (\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main
(main) or Advanced (o2yo|apU-) tab.
Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option labeled
Language or System Language (pe+pe|paapaa*?C*-R).
Press Enter, then select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to
save and exit, selecting Yes to confirm

or while in the UEFI/BIOS
Press F9 to load default BIOS settings, which often defaults to English,
then press F10 to save.
- Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard
navigation with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may
be more reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.
--
...w-i|#-o-#-n|#
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On 5/5/2026 6:36 PM, ....winston wrote:

On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:

Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
(Renewed) Home (Renewed)

I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured maybe I could adjust
a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in Japanese. I was lucky
just to find the right buttons to get out...

Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement. Fugitsu Stylistic
Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language configurations.

Getting an old toy like this has actually been kinda fun...

A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English
If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings),
you can typically switch to English: Use the right arrow key
(\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main (main) or Advanced (o2yo|apU-) tab. Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option
labeled Language or System Language (pe+pe|paapaa*?C*-R). Press Enter, then select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to save and exit,
selecting Yes to confirm

This worked. The BIOS is now in English. Thanks. One thing I saw in my
new English BIOS that I kinda liked was that it said the battery
condition was good.

Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard navigation
with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may be more
reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.

I had to use the keyboard as neither the touchscreen or mouse worked on
the BIOS screen.

-------

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and Restore
Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device when new.
But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...






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On Wed, 5/6/2026 1:44 AM, AJL wrote:

On 5/5/2026 6:36 PM, ....winston wrote:

On 05/05/2026 2:08 PM, AJL wrote:

Fujitsu Stylistic Q508 Touchscreen 2 in 1 Detachable Tablet PC,
10.1" FHD Notebook, Intel Atom X5-Z8550 Processor up to 2.4 GHz
Laptop, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Japanese Keyboard, Windows 11 Home
(Renewed) Home (Renewed)

I went into BIOS for the first time. Figured maybe I could adjust
a few things. Turns out it is ALL written in Japanese. I was lucky
just to find the right buttons to get out...

Renewed was the keyword in the the spec statement. Fugitsu Stylistic
Q508 in the reseller market is often sold in Japanese-Language
configurations.

Getting an old toy like this has actually been kinda fun...

A couple of things you might try to switch the UEFI/BIOS to English
If the BIOS is in Japanese (often under Japanese layout settings),
you can typically switch to English: Use the right arrow key
(\(\rightarrow \)) to navigate to the Main (main) or Advanced (o2yo|apU-)
tab. Use the down arrow key (\(\downarrow \)) to find the option
labeled Language or System Language (pe+pe|paapaa*?C*-R). Press Enter, then >> select English from the dropdown menu.Press F10 to save and exit,
selecting Yes to confirm

This worked. The BIOS is now in English. Thanks. One thing I saw in my
new English BIOS that I kinda liked was that it said the battery
condition was good.

Note: While the device is a touchscreen, physical keyboard navigation
with arrow keys may be possible - the Enter, and F-keys may be more
reliable within the UEFI/BIOS than touch or mouse.

I had to use the keyboard as neither the touchscreen or mouse worked on
the BIOS screen.

-------

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and Restore Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device when new.
But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...

Windows 7 backup is an included utility since... Windows 7.

It has changed slightly since inception. For example, it originally
output one partition per VHD file. Now it outputs one partition
per VHDX file. The difference is, a VHD file has a 2.2TB limitation
on size, whereas a VHDX handles things larger than 2.2TB. Maybe the
limit is at least 500TB for the VHDX (while containers have larger
nominal limits than that, there may be other limits that make
more than 500TB an issue).

The Windows 7 backup (so called), is not a general disk backup.
You cannot say to it "back up all the partitions on this disk",
in the same way an Acronis or a Macrium could do that. You
cannot ask it to back up just the ESP partition, as it has
a minimum set of partitions it wants to back up.

Since you complain your thingy is not setup, there is a
command line version of Windows 7 backup you can play with.
The command line one is suited to one-off testing.

The following command is a display of some of the options, and
the command contains more parameters than is really needed.
We know the backup folder is going onto partition F: .
One of the volumes does not have a drive letter, and
we're using an alternative identifier to grab that partition.
The "allCritical" uses the GPT attribute to detect "things
needed to boot the OS", and it can be used by itself (as long
as the user knows what gets covered that way). Any qualifier which
selects an item twice does no harm, as the partition only gets
backed up once, so overspecifying the source doesn't hurt the
process at all. The second command captures the essential
partitions to make the machine boot (it would ignore your D: data partition
as a data partition is not part of booting).

# Admin terminal, for backup rights

wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -include:Z:,N:,D:,\\?\Volume{ef618b33-36a8-4861-a549-b8a65dc9ecb9}\ -allCritical -quiet

wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -allCritical -quiet # Your ESP, C:, and Recovery Partition perhaps

So if you want to see the fur fly, you can experiment with the
command and not bother setting up a schedule for it. Then you can
drill down into the F: partition (in the example) and look
at the folder structure of the backup

But if your disk has two copies of Windows on it (a W10 C: and
a W11 C: ), then it becomes a bit more difficult to tell the
stupid thing to back up all the partitions. That's when
you have to do the \\?\Volume{...}\ thing.

When you're finished, there will be some number of VHDX partitions.
Then you can check and see if the "Mount" command is available,
to examine the contents. While 7ZIP can open a VHD file, it
cannot open a VHDX.

I would not throw away any backup scheme I already had,
to be using "Windows 7 Backup". It's definitely an acquired
taste, and some of the commercial backup programs are
a bit easier to use.

All backup schemes need to be tested. If I tell you to use Product X,
you should not believe me that it works, you should back up and
restore to a different disk and check that all steps worked as
expected. I think I may have tested Restore on Windows 7 Backup,
just the one time -- you can tell I'm a fan of Windows 7 Backup :-)
But, Microsoft made it, and some people out there just love
items like this ("because it was free").

*******

Here is a test run. D: is my scratch for stuff like this.

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:D: -allCritical -quiet
wbadmin 1.0 - Backup command-line tool
(C) Copyright Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Retrieving volume information...
This will back up (EFI System Partition),W11HOME(C:),(\\?\Volume{c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237}\) to D:
The backup operation to D: is starting.
Creating a shadow copy of the volumes specified for backup...
Creating a shadow copy of the volumes specified for backup...
Creating a backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (0%). Creating a backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (100%). Compacting the virtual hard disk for volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), completed (0%).
The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB) completed successfully. Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied (4%).
...
Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied (96%).
The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully.
The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully.
Summary of the backup operation:
------------------

The backup operation successfully completed.
The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB) completed successfully. The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully.
The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. <=== Recovery Partition has no letter or label
Log of files successfully backed up: C:\WINDOWS\Logs\WindowsBackup\Backup-06-05-2026_07-11-01.log

0bd6166a-0836-4041-891c-792df2c72abd.vhdx 76,703,334,400 bytes (71 GiB) C: partition
c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237.vhdx 838,860,800 bytes (800 MiB) Recovery Partition
Esp.vhdx 109,051,904 bytes (104 MiB) EFI System Partition

When I selected "Mount" as the option for the first partition,
a dialog warned me of this or that. But that's because it
wants you to open Disk Management and finish the job. You have to
assign a drive letter to the virtual C: and I set it to K: before
viewing it "for authenticity". You can detach K: from Disk Management as well (click the left-most drive box, for access to a detach-item).

Paul
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

Shutting down or hibernating?

Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
'new' Settings thingy?

Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
advanced power settings

You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section,
specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
'Hibernate after' is missing.

Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
action' and 'Critical battery action'.

[...]

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the
bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behaviour than in
Settings).

HTH.
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On 5/6/2026 12:30, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 5/6/2026 1:44 AM, AJL wrote:

Another interesting thing in Control Panel. It has a Backup and
Restore Windows 7 section. Apparently that's what was on the device
when new. But when opened it says it has not been set up. Darn...

Windows 7 backup is an included utility since... Windows 7. It has
changed slightly since inception. For example, it originally output
one partition per VHD file. Now it outputs one partition per VHDX
file. The difference is, a VHD file has a 2.2TB limitation on size,
whereas a VHDX handles things larger than 2.2TB. Maybe the limit is
at least 500TB for the VHDX (while containers have larger nominal
limits than that, there may be other limits that make more than
500TB an issue). The Windows 7 backup (so called), is not a general
disk backup. You cannot say to it "back up all the partitions on
this disk", in the same way an Acronis or a Macrium could do that.
You cannot ask it to back up just the ESP partition, as it has a
minimum set of partitions it wants to back up.

Since you complain your thingy is not setup, there is a command line
version of Windows 7 backup you can play with. The command line one
is suited to one-off testing.

I was joking. Guess I'm gonna have to start using more smileys. Trouble
is I can't figure out how to make one on this screwed up keyboard...

The following command is a display of some of the options, and the
command contains more parameters than is really needed. We know the
backup folder is going onto partition F: . One of the volumes does
not have a drive letter, and we're using an alternative identifier to
grab that partition. The "allCritical" uses the GPT attribute to
detect "things needed to boot the OS", and it can be used by itself
(as long as the user knows what gets covered that way). Any qualifier
which selects an item twice does no harm, as the partition only gets
backed up once, so overspecifying the source doesn't hurt the process
at all. The second command captures the essential partitions to make
the machine boot (it would ignore your D: data partition as a data
partition is not part of booting). # Admin terminal, for backup
rights wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F: -include:Z:,N:,D:,\\?\Volume{ef618b33-36a8-4861-a549-b8a65dc9ecb9}\ -allCritical -quiet wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:F:
-allCritical -quiet # Your ESP, C:, and Recovery Partition
perhaps So if you want to see the fur fly, you can experiment with
the command and not bother setting up a schedule for it. Then you can
drill down into the F: partition (in the example) and look at the
folder structure of the backup But if your disk has two copies of
Windows on it (a W10 C: and a W11 C: ), then it becomes a bit more
difficult to tell the stupid thing to back up all the partitions.
That's when you have to do the \\?\Volume{...}\ thing. When you're
finished, there will be some number of VHDX partitions. Then you can
check and see if the "Mount" command is available, to examine the
contents. While 7ZIP can open a VHD file, it cannot open a VHDX. I
would not throw away any backup scheme I already had, to be using
"Windows 7 Backup". It's definitely an acquired taste, and some of
the commercial backup programs are a bit easier to use. All backup
schemes need to be tested. If I tell you to use Product X, you
should not believe me that it works, you should back up and restore
to a different disk and check that all steps worked as expected. I
think I may have tested Restore on Windows 7 Backup, just the one
time -- you can tell I'm a fan of Windows 7 Backup :-) But, Microsoft
made it, and some people out there just love items like this
("because it was free"). ******* Here is a test run. D: is my scratch
for stuff like this. PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wbadmin start backup -backuptarget:D: -allCritical -quiet wbadmin 1.0 - Backup
command-line tool (C) Copyright Microsoft Corporation. All rights
reserved. Retrieving volume information... This will back up (EFI
System Partition),W11HOME(C:),(\\?\Volume{c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237}\
to D: The backup operation to D: is starting. Creating a shadow copy
of the volumes specified for backup... Creating a shadow copy of the
volumes specified for backup... Creating a backup of volume (EFI
System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (0%). Creating a backup of
volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB), copied (100%). Compacting
the virtual hard disk for volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00 MB),
completed (0%). The backup of volume (EFI System Partition) (100.00
MB) completed successfully. Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:),
copied (4%). ... Creating a backup of volume W11HOME(C:), copied
(96%). The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully. The
backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. Summary of the
backup operation: ------------------ The backup operation
successfully completed. The backup of volume (EFI System Partition)
(100.00 MB) completed successfully. The backup of volume W11HOME(C:) completed successfully. The backup of volume (1.00 GB) completed successfully. <=== Recovery Partition has no letter or label Log
of files successfully backed up: C:\WINDOWS\Logs\WindowsBackup\Backup-06-05-2026_07-11-01.log 0bd6166a-0836-4041-891c-792df2c72abd.vhdx 76,703,334,400 bytes (71
GiB) C: partition c3bc5ab1-c5f0-4dae-838c-751ef868e237.vhdx
838,860,800 bytes (800 MiB) Recovery Partition Esp.vhdx
109,051,904 bytes (104 MiB) EFI System Partition When I selected
"Mount" as the option for the first partition, a dialog warned me of
this or that. But that's because it wants you to open Disk Management
and finish the job. You have to assign a drive letter to the virtual
C: and I set it to K: before viewing it "for authenticity". You can
detach K: from Disk Management as well (click the left-most drive
box, for access to a detach-item).

Paul

Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy right
now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage on this
thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably couldn't get
the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it could really suck
up a bit of it?


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On 5/6/2026 7:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

Shutting down or hibernating?

It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if it's
shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my lock screen
pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes about 25 seconds to
load and when finished all my apps have been closed and I'm starting
from scratch. What do you think?

Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
'new' Settings thingy?

Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
advanced power settings

You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
'Hibernate after' is missing.

'Hibernate after' is missing from both these places:

Control Panel - Hardware and Sound - Power options - Edit plan settings

(However I did add the Hibernate button to the Start Screen Power Menu
here by using Change plan settings that are currently unavailable.)

And

Settings - System - Power and Battery - Plugged in and On battery

Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
action' and 'Critical battery action'.

Where's that?

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

All are set to sleep...

The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behavior than in
Settings).

HTH.

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On Wed, 5/6/2026 10:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
[...]

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no
matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

Shutting down or hibernating?

Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
'new' Settings thingy?

Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
advanced power settings

You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
'Hibernate after' is missing.

Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
action' and 'Critical battery action'.

[...]

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But
I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut
down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behaviour than in
Settings).

HTH.

A W11 picture of some power stuff.

[Picture] Win11-power-places.gif

https://imgur.com/a/TzTzJlC <=== a moderately miserable picture site

https://postimg.cc/VJ9ZTNHz <=== more scummy site, listed second :-)

Pretty funny. I went to https://postimages.org/ just now
and on the right sidebar, a scam "virus detected" box appears.
A new low for the fuckers :-) According to the dialog box, the
virus was detected by "Google", you know, that famous in-box
virus detection company :-) snarf.

Paul
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On Wed, 5/6/2026 12:16 PM, AJL wrote:

Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy right
now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage on this thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably couldn't get the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it could really suck up a bit of it?

You would have to see whether it support over-the-network backups,
at a guess. Alternately, if your device has a USB3 port, a
disk enclosure could be temporarily attached, preferably a
disk enclosure with its own power source.

I have some enclosures that are wall-powered, and they take
3.5" or 2.5" devices. The wall adapter is the standard
12V @ 2A kind for the job. Using such devices, does not draw
bus power from the machine doing the backup, which is the
advantage of a wall-powered backup device.

The Windows 7 Backup is fast (as the output is to a container
and it does not look like any checksums are involved). I traced
burst transfers of 900MB/sec to my storage device. It can't go
much faster than that here, as my C: only does 500MB/sec. I haven't
tested backing up an NVMe as a source, just to see how fast it can go.

Whereas a Macrium tops out at 300-350MB/sec or so, due to it
generating checksums on the fly. I don't know if the
Windows 7 Backup even has a Verify command :-)

Paul



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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

On 5/6/2026 7:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few hours no >> matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in tablet mode it
does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile and stays on. Weird...

Shutting down or hibernating?

It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if it's shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my lock screen
pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes about 25 seconds to load and when finished all my apps have been closed and I'm starting
from scratch. What do you think?

Strange! If you get a lock screen (i.e. not a BIOS or whatever
screen), Windows is up. As your apps are closed and you have to start
from scratch, it looks like you have been logged off. But who or what
would do that after a few hours.

Anyway, have you tried to old Control Panel route, instead of the
'new' Settings thingy?

Control Panel -> Power Options -> Change plan settings -> Change
advanced power settings

You now get the 'Power Options' UI. Look at its 'Sleep' section, specifically 'Sleep after' and 'Hibernate after'. Let me know if
'Hibernate after' is missing.

'Hibernate after' is missing from both these places:

Control Panel - Hardware and Sound - Power options - Edit plan settings

It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings' (mine
says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a screen which
says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings for display and
sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced power settings'
link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again, perhaps in your case
'Edit' instead of 'Change').

N.B. I don't post screenshots to picture sites, so I stole an example
from the web. You're looking for a 'Power Options' UI/popup which looks
similar to this picture:

<https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/58e1b0cd-7b0f-4be9-b2ed-f51ffad7db6c?platform=QnA>

(However I did add the Hibernate button to the Start Screen Power Menu
here by using Change plan settings that are currently unavailable.)

And

Settings - System - Power and Battery - Plugged in and On battery

Yes, that's 'normal'. Hibernate is lacking from that screen (i.e. the
screen is lying ("Screen, sleep and hibernate time-outs")). That's why I pointed you to the 'Power Options' UI/applet/popup/<whatever>. (Another Microsoft confusion of having two places (in Control Panel) called
'Power Options'! :-()

Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
action' and 'Critical battery action'.

Where's that?

In the 'Power Options' UI, which you didn't find/get_to.

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down the
tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to sleep. But >> I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows Start screen
and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

All are set to sleep...

Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

The 'When I press the power button' setting is probably set to 'Shut down' instead of 'Sleep'. N.B. Remember to click 'Save changes' (at the bottom) after making a change (i.e. different behavior than in
Settings).

HTH.

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On 5/6/2026 10:15, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 5/6/2026 12:16 PM, AJL wrote:

Thanks but I think I have enough stuff to keep me busy on this toy
right now. And BTW did I mention that I only have 25GB free storage
on this thing. I could be wrong (being a non-techie that probably
couldn't get the above to work anyway) but that stuff looks like it
could really suck up a bit of it?

You would have to see whether it supports over-the-network backups,
at a guess. Alternately, if your device has a USB3 port, a disk
enclosure could be temporarily attached, preferably a disk enclosure
with its own power source.

It does have a USB port. I use it to plug in my light over the unlit
keyboard.

I have some enclosures that are wall-powered, and they take 3.5" or
2.5" devices. The wall adapter is the standard 12V @ 2A kind for the
job. Using such devices, does not draw bus power from the machine
doing the backup, which is the advantage of a wall-powered backup
device. The Windows 7 Backup is fast (as the output is to a
container and it does not look like any checksums are involved). I
traced burst transfers of 900MB/sec to my storage device. It can't
go much faster than that here, as my C: only does 500MB/sec. I
haven't tested backing up an NVMe as a source, just to see how fast
it can go. Whereas a Macrium tops out at 300-350MB/sec or so, due to
it generating checksums on the fly. I don't know if the Windows 7
Backup even has a Verify command :-)

Thanks. But again that info is way way over my pay grade...

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On 5/6/2026 9:50, Paul wrote:

A W11 picture of some power stuff.

[Picture] Win11-power-places.gif

https://imgur.com/a/TzTzJlC <=== a moderately miserable picture
site

https://postimg.cc/VJ9ZTNHz <=== more scummy site, listed second
:-)

That says System-Power. Mine says System-Power & Battery. And mine has
no such power button setting.

Pretty funny. I went to https://postimages.org/ just now and on
the right sidebar, a scam "virus detected" box appears. A new low
for the fuckers :-) According to the dialog box, the virus was
detected by "Google", you know, that famous in-box virus detection
company :-) snarf.

Yup. My Chromebook had a cow with that link but this tablet didn't seem
to care...

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On 5/6/2026 11:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

When I close the laptop it insists on shutting down after a few
hours no matter that all the settings are set to sleep. When in
tablet mode it does sleep but then the screen comes on after awhile
and stays on. Weird...

Shutting down or hibernating?

It's not hibernating or sleeping. And actually I 'm not sure if
it's shutting down for sure. When I hit the physical switch my
lock screen pops up instantly but after I enter the pin it takes
about 25 seconds to load and when finished all my apps have been
closed and I'm starting from scratch. What do you think?

Strange! If you get a lock screen (i.e. not a BIOS or whatever
screen), Windows is up. As your apps are closed and you have to start
from scratch, it looks like you have been logged off. But who or what
would do that after a few hours.

Yup. And so far I've found no setting to change it.

It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings'
(mine says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a
screen which says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings
for display and sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced
power settings' link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again,
perhaps in your case 'Edit' instead of 'Change').

Not that I can find on this toy.

N.B. I don't post screenshots to picture sites, so I stole an example
from the web. You're looking for a 'Power Options' UI/popup which
looks similar to this picture: <https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/58e1b0cd-7b0f-4be9-b2ed-f51ffad7db6c?platform=QnA>

Also see the 'Battery' section for what happens for 'Low battery
action' and 'Critical battery action'.

Where's that?

In the 'Power Options' UI, which you didn't find/get_to.

It's not there.

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down
the tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to
sleep. But I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows
Start screen and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for
now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

All are set to sleep...

Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

I'm guessing the Japanese may have changed more than the screwed up
keyboard on this thing. Or perhaps being a many year old device changes
how Windows works with it. In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I
don't want too much fun all at once with new toys. Thanks...
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

On 5/6/2026 11:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

[...]

It seems you didn't go 'deep' enough. After 'Edit plan settings'
(mine says 'Change plan settings'. UK/US difference?) you get a
screen which says 'Change settings for the plan: ....' with settings
for display and sleep. *Below* those settings is a 'Change advanced
power settings' link, which pops up the 'Power Options' UI. (Again,
perhaps in your case 'Edit' instead of 'Change').

Not that I can find on this toy.

See this example which I stole from the web:

<https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

You probably have to enlarge it a bit in order to be able to read the
text, but it shows where the "Change advanced power settings" link is.
And when you click on that link, it will popup the 'Power Options' UI
which is shown on the right.

[...]

From another response of yours:

As mentioned earlier the physical on-off switch always shuts down
the tablet. I have yet to find a setting anywhere to change it to
sleep. But I found that I can use the sleep button on the Windows
Start screen and the tablet will sleep so that's a workaround for
now.

Control Panel -> Power Options -> (on the left hand side) Choose what
the power button does

All are set to sleep...

Well, then something is lying, isn't it!? :-)

I'm guessing the Japanese may have changed more than the screwed up
keyboard on this thing. Or perhaps being a many year old device changes
how Windows works with it.

Well, this Control Panel stuff is at least as old as Vista and
probably as old as XP (or even before), so we're talking 20++ year old
stuff.

In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I
don't want too much fun all at once with new toys. Thanks...

Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected log
off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.
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On 5/7/2026 8:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

See this example which I stole from the web: <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

Yup. I've got that Power Options Advanced Settings. But there's nothing
on mine that has anything to do with startup.

Well, this Control Panel stuff is at least as old as Vista and
probably as old as XP (or even before), so we're talking 20++ year
old stuff.

I've always used Control Panel to turn on hibernate on a new Windows
device. There are probably other ways to do it but that was the way I remembered it and so did it on this toy.

In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I don't want too much fun
all at once with new toys. Thanks...

Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected
log off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.

I solved it by just using hibernate instead of sleep on turn-off. Now
all my stuff is right where I left it on turn-on. The bad news is that
it costs me an extra (gasp) 20 or so seconds of my life. The good news
is I don't have to worry as much about the battery between sessions.

More good news, I'm learning the physical keyboard keys. Good old age
memory training. Example: For an apostrophe I push star. And as a
Windows tablet this has been IMO superior to my past much more expensive
(and now given away) toys. Better screen, more comfortable to hold, runs
MUCH cooler, and more responsive. Consider that my review...

And thanks to ALL for your help...


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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

On 5/7/2026 8:26, Frank Slootweg wrote:

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

See this example which I stole from the web: <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EaDXGozcZRhcZ3RKh9PSBK-970-80.jpg.webp>

Yup. I've got that Power Options Advanced Settings. But there's nothing
on mine that has anything to do with startup.

Ah, that explains the confusion. At that point in the troubleshooting,
we were looking for (Sleep ->) 'Hibernate after' and the (Battery ->)
'Low battery action' and 'Critical battery action' to see if it was
hibernating or shutting down when it went 'down'. So indeed nothing to
do with startup.

[...]

In any case I'll give it a rest for now. I don't want too much fun
all at once with new toys. Thanks...

Fair enough. You have a way to let it sleep and if the unexpected
log off doesn't bother you too much, good on you.

I solved it by just using hibernate instead of sleep on turn-off. Now
all my stuff is right where I left it on turn-on.

Strange that set to Sleep made it shut down, but set to Hibernate, it
does what you want! I guess that's the Japanese way to do things! :-)

Anyway, problem solved.

The bad news is that
it costs me an extra (gasp) 20 or so seconds of my life.

Perhaps you could do some mindfulness exercises during that time,

The good news
is I don't have to worry as much about the battery between sessions.

Yes, my laptop is set to sleep (Modern Standby) with hibernate when
sleep consumes too much battery (Adaptive hibernate) and hibernate if
the battery gets too low.

With those setting, I normally get from one Windows Update cycle to
the next without shutting down and restarting. (Except for this
!@#$%^&*()_+ April cycle where Microsoft fscked up multiple things which
worked perfectly fine for 20++ years! :-()

More good news, I'm learning the physical keyboard keys. Good old age
memory training. Example: For an apostrophe I push star. And as a
Windows tablet this has been IMO superior to my past much more expensive
(and now given away) toys. Better screen, more comfortable to hold, runs
MUCH cooler, and more responsive. Consider that my review...

Good on you!

And thanks to ALL for your help...

You're welcome, as always.
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