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There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

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On 4/26/26 17:08, Nomen Nescio wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

It is a different culture in the Linux world.

If you need suggestions, make a post over on
your distro's forum.

I can tell you on Fedora, there are a lot of options.
I have rescued my ass several times with them.
And you back up everything, running or not, in Linux.

But to reiterate, Linux is not Windows, it is a
different way of doing things. Ask your distro's
forum for advice.

Here is a starter:
https://chatgpt.com/s/t_69eeac762ad88191b595af7121f14d8c

Borg is really popular.
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On Sun, 4/26/2026 8:08 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

Clonezilla exists for Linux.

The reason Windows got "anything at all", is Microsoft
included a very basic backup tool capable of doing a Full,
and some third-party program developers also give away for
free, the ability to do a Full backup as well. Many of the
tools use VSS, which makes more of the files on a mounted
system available for backup (cannot backup hiberfil.sys or pagefile.sys
on the running OS). The Microsoft tool, cannot backup two Windows
OSes on a single hard drive properly, so it is hardly a good demo
of how to do it. Macrium Reflect free versions are still around, which
are a bit better. But in general with software, there is a
"lot of rot" going on, and everything has some issue we would not
be proud of.

In both ecosystems, dd is available. On Windows, you would use:

Instructions:

http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

Download:

http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.6beta3.zip

The "dd --list" on that one is helpful, because it displays
the namespace that the tool uses to identify partitions and drives.

The only real bug that one has, is if the source is a USB stick,
the reads won't stop when it hits the end of the stick. You have
to define the size to make it stop. In this example, it won't do more
than 10G reads in any case. The dd --list tells you the device size.
And when you abuse it like this, it will use a series of smaller reads
until it completes a single block 1G in size.

dd.exe if=foo of=bar bs=1G count=10

I think there are a few more for Linus. Someone in the newsgroup
may be associated with one of the offerings, but I don't have
a URL or pointer to the thing. For some reason "Colin" comes to mind.

There are lots of topics on computers, that are just plain hard work.
You have to *test* that this stuff works. This topic does not come
with a free lunch, if that is what you were thinking. At least we
can trust "dd" to some extent, which is why I included it. "dd" is
a free lunch, it just happens to be a "cup of noodles" as far as
feature set goes :-) Nobody got fat and rich, by using "dd".
But it works, it works good enough to win a bar bet.

Paul
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On 4/26/26 5:08 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.
Very few exist for Linux.
The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

As I see it, they both have problems, and the most basic problems are similar.

In both cases, it is recommended to always have a full backup of the
system on hand before you do any maintenance. That is a fairly good recommendation, except that many of us have systems with a terabyte or
more storage, and it takes a good long time and a somewhat expensive
amount of storage to close that much before you run the regularly
scheduled system update (Windows Update or DNF upgrade).
Of course, most of that storage is not "system", but "user data", which
should not be in the same filesystem as "system" files, but in both
cases, the "simple installation" procedure has no provisions to
facilitate such separation.

Once you have achieved such a setup, with at least three partitions ("EFI","root", "home"), you only do the "clone" backup for the
"EFI" and "root" parts, and then you can do "smart" backups for the user
data.

And when you are at that level of sophistication, Linux is MUCH simpler
to work with. Windows has a prediliction for hiding important files and features from the user/operator. One of the worst is the "recovery"
partition, which is well hidden, and can easily get corrupted.
Another is the various "Application Data" folders, where lots of things, including your email are stored, but which the "File Explorer" is
normally prevented from browsing.

In Linux, you can see all of these things.

For my own part, I have a USB-attached external backup drive that is
about twice as large as my "useful" storage. Overnight, I run an
incremental rsync from each filesystem to the backup drive.
It is set up so that each filesystem has a top level folder named for
the date, under which the whole tree appears, but files that are
unchanged from the day before are a hard link to the file from
yesterday. This is essentially the same as Apple's "Time Machine" backup.
So for my 4TB partition set (with, say 3TB used), the first nightly
backup uses 3TB, but each subsequent daily backup usually uses 3-4GB,
so a 6TB backup drive can go for up to 3 years before it fills up.
--
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 21:35:33 -0400, Paul wrote:

The "dd --list" on that one is helpful, because it displays
the namespace that the tool uses to identify partitions and drives.

Linux has lsblk, which shows a lot of identifying information about
all your block devices -- handy for making sure yourCOre destroying the
right one ...
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On 2026-04-27, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

Backing up is hard work, until you think things through. What and when do
you need a backup for. Then start looking for the tools needed.

Do a trial run and do check you can restore from the backup.

As others have suggested get a partition for the OS and one for the users
Data.
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On 26 Apr 2026, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> posted some news:1d047e52f4a1ad7e75f5ed88e617ee34@dizum.com:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

What distros of Linux are you referring to?

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W dniu 27.04.2026 o-a02:08, Nomen Nescio pisze:

Very few exist for Linux.

Backup apps are for pussies!!! All hackers writing their own backup
scripts (among other hundreds automating scripts). This is the Unix way!
This involve mind and brain, you brainless pussy!!!
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Flush.

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On Sun, 4/26/2026 9:35 PM, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 4/26/2026 8:08 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.

Very few exist for Linux.

The instructions for backing up and restoring Linux are also stinkers.
They don't work the same for every version.

Clonezilla exists for Linux.

The reason Windows got "anything at all", is Microsoft
included a very basic backup tool capable of doing a Full,
and some third-party program developers also give away for
free, the ability to do a Full backup as well. Many of the
tools use VSS, which makes more of the files on a mounted
system available for backup (cannot backup hiberfil.sys or pagefile.sys
on the running OS). The Microsoft tool, cannot backup two Windows
OSes on a single hard drive properly, so it is hardly a good demo
of how to do it. Macrium Reflect free versions are still around, which
are a bit better. But in general with software, there is a
"lot of rot" going on, and everything has some issue we would not
be proud of.

In both ecosystems, dd is available. On Windows, you would use:

Instructions:

http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

Download:

http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.6beta3.zip

The "dd --list" on that one is helpful, because it displays
the namespace that the tool uses to identify partitions and drives.

The only real bug that one has, is if the source is a USB stick,
the reads won't stop when it hits the end of the stick. You have
to define the size to make it stop. In this example, it won't do more
than 10G reads in any case. The dd --list tells you the device size.
And when you abuse it like this, it will use a series of smaller reads
until it completes a single block 1G in size.

dd.exe if=foo of=bar bs=1G count=10

I think there are a few more for Linus. Someone in the newsgroup
may be associated with one of the offerings, but I don't have
a URL or pointer to the thing. For some reason "Colin" comes to mind.

The author is AndyMH, the tool is Foxclone.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=437810

Paul


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On 4/27/26 08:05, Efc|Efc#Jacek Marcin JaworskiEfc|Efc# wrote:

W dniu 27.04.2026 o-a02:08, Nomen Nescio pisze:

Very few exist for Linux.

Backup apps are for pussies!!! All hackers writing their own backup
scripts (among other hundreds automating scripts). This is the Unix way! This involve mind and brain, you brainless pussy!!!

That was uncalled for.

And by the way, I wrote my own. And it is only one
of many methods. There are GUI programs too, such
as Borg.

I have written my own in Windows too.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 17:05:18 +0200, Efc|Efc#Jacek Marcin JaworskiEfc|Efc# wrote:

W dniu 27.04.2026 o-a02:08, Nomen Nescio pisze:

Very few exist for Linux.

Backup apps are for pussies!!! All hackers writing their own backup
scripts (among other hundreds automating scripts). This is the Unix way!
This involve mind and brain, you brainless pussy!!!

Anyone driving a vehicle made by someone other than themself is a pussy
also. If you don't have the basic machinist skills to create an engine and
a transmission, you don't need to be using them.

Anyone that can't then put that engine and tranny on a frame they have
built from steel they have created in a backyard blast furnace from some
iron ore, coke, and limestone, they don't need to have a vehicle.
--
All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.
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On 2026-04-27, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 4/27/26 08:05, Efc|Efc#Jacek Marcin JaworskiEfc|Efc# wrote:

W dniu 27.04.2026 o-a02:08, Nomen Nescio pisze:

Very few exist for Linux.

Backup apps are for pussies!!! All hackers writing their own backup
scripts (among other hundreds automating scripts). This is the Unix way!
This involve mind and brain, you brainless pussy!!!

That was uncalled for.

And by the way, I wrote my own. And it is only one
of many methods. There are GUI programs too, such
as Borg.

Borg is the engine, Vorta, Pika Backup and Bagpag are the GUIs.

I have written my own in Windows too.

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On 4/28/26 15:32, CtrlAltDel wrote:

All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.

1+

Was that your quote or are you quoting someone else?
If yours, you forgot to add social media to the list.
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 06:29:35 -0700, T wrote:

On 4/28/26 15:32, CtrlAltDel wrote:

All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free
fall into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental
illness.

1+

Was that your quote or are you quoting someone else? If yours, you
forgot to add social media to the list.

It's mine and was created in 1995 and made its debut in
24hoursupport.helpdesk back when it was one of the most active and
interesting groups on Usenet.
--
All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.
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On 4/27/2026 8:08 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

There are many simple and easy options to backup and restore Windows.
Very few exist for Linux.

If you are an experienced Linux user, just dd everything to backup and
restore any partition. Or one can just backup data in any partition
using tar and 7z.
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