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    From Julian@julianlzb87@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 12 16:35:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo and
    did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race. Crowley
    only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo and
    mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA member with
    a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions. Polling companies
    failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They made a similar
    mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower victory for the
    DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin in
    a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like many
    DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In
    2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won twice.
    None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the
    establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan did
    in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per cent
    in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration enforcement.
    She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele Tafoya, the
    Republican former National Football League sideline reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found it
    easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026 is
    that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to many to
    be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray
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  • From Tara@tsm@fastmail.ca to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 12 15:57:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Aug 12, 2026 at 11:35:17rC>AM EDT, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo and
    did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race. Crowley
    only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo and
    mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA member with
    a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions. Polling companies
    failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They made a similar
    mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower victory for the
    DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin in
    a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like many
    DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won twice.
    None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan did
    in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per cent
    in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration enforcement.
    She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele Tafoya, the
    Republican former National Football League sideline reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found it
    easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026 is
    that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to many to
    be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    Mind boggling that the results were so close. :/
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 12 09:15:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/12/26 8:35 AM, Julian wrote:
    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race. Crowley
    only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo and
    mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA member with
    a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions. Polling companies
    failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They made a similar
    mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower victory for the DSA-
    aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin in
    a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like many
    DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won twice.
    None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan did
    in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per cent
    in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration enforcement.
    She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found it
    easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026 is
    that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to many to
    be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    asian foids smh
    --
    hi, i'm nick!
    let's end war EfOa

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  • From Dude@user2891@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 12 17:50:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy


    Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> posted:

    On Aug 12, 2026 at 11:35:17rC>AM EDT, "Julian" <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race. Crowley
    only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA member with
    a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions. Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They made a similar
    mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower victory for the
    DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin in
    a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like many
    DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won twice.
    None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan did
    in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per cent
    in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration enforcement.
    She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found it
    easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026 is
    that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to many to
    be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    Mind boggling that the results were so close. :/

    David Crowley pulls off upset over Francesca Hong in WisconsinrCOs Democratic primary for governor
    NBC News projects that Crowley, the Milwaukee County executive backed by Gov. Tony Evers, narrowly defeated Hong, a democratic socialist state lawmaker, in the key battleground state.
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  • From Dude@user2891@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Wed Aug 12 19:32:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy


    dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

    On 8/12/26 8:35 AM, Julian wrote:
    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something, nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race. Crowley
    only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA member with
    a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions. Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They made a similar
    mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower victory for the DSA-
    aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin in
    a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan did
    in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration enforcement.
    She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026 is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to many to
    be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    asian foids smh

    You are soaking in it.
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  • From Creon@creon@creon.earth to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 10:51:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?
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    "Push the limit, and the limit will move away!"
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 08:10:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 10:51:29 +0000, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    aIAm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.A


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donAt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyAs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericaAs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view u and already ubiquitous u reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries u and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank u or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong u
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process u
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekAs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned u but not affiliated u candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies auphold white supremacy.A SheAs also
    expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    aproximity to whiteness.A She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentineAs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    aIAm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.A

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled u insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyAs voters are returning to the
    establishmentAs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party u as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice u backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyAs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.??????????????????????????????????????????????????


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional >representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    Nevertheless that rightward march can't countenance a single social
    democrat, or anything else really than rightward marchers.

    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Wilson@Wilson@nowhere.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 10:47:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 6:51 AM, Creon wrote:
    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also >> expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the
    establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    You're probably right, a few absolutely unhinged people running things
    won't make much difference.

    Just like allowing a few people to sleep on the street doesn't.

    And making shoplifting under $995 doesn't.

    And allowing drug addicts to shoot up publicly doesn't.

    And taxing the wealth people hold in investments won't.

    Mao famously waged a war on the sparrows in China's farmland because he thought they were eating the grain, leading to a widespread infestation
    of pests that those sparrows had also eaten. Which destroyed so much of
    the food that it made the widespread famine even worse.

    Small things.


    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?


    The golden goose will never die.

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 09:40:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 7:47 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 8/13/2026 6:51 AM, Creon wrote:
    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to >>> mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also >>> expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the
    establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though:-a since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional
    representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    You're probably right, a few absolutely unhinged people running things
    won't make much difference.

    Just like allowing a few people to sleep on the street doesn't.

    And making shoplifting under $995 doesn't.

    And allowing drug addicts to shoot up publicly doesn't.

    And taxing the wealth people hold in investments won't.

    Mao famously waged a war on the sparrows in China's farmland because he thought they were eating the grain, leading to a widespread infestation
    of pests that those sparrows had also eaten. Which destroyed so much of
    the food that it made the widespread famine even worse.

    Small things.


    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?


    The golden goose will never die.

    You are soaking in it.

    If California were an independent country, its nominal GDP of roughly
    $4.3 trillion places it as the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world, closely trading spots with Japan and trailing only the rest of the
    United States, China, and Germany.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 09:57:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 3:51 AM, Creon wrote:
    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also >> expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the
    establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.rCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCirCi


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    "ItrCOs an easily forgotten facet of American politics that parties arenrCOt required to nominate the craziest son-of-a-b**** in the race. You can
    nominate the second-craziest, or the third-craziest, or if yourCOre really willing to be daring, nominate a candidate who doesnrCOt seem crazy at
    all." - Ed Morrissey


    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    In the US we don't have direct voting for the President. Instead, we
    have a representative government with an Electoral College.

    Why?

    So, the West and East Coast don't get to dictate to the Middle, where
    the energy and food is produced, what to do with their money. Fuck that!

    YMMV.

    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?

    Don't mess with California or Texas!
    Note:

    Supporters of the U.S. Electoral College argue that it protects
    federalism, prevents candidates from ignoring smaller states and rural
    areas, encourages broad national coalitions, and creates a clear,
    decisive winner to provide a mandate to govern, reducing the need for
    chaotic nationwide recounts.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 10:02:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 5:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 10:51:29 +0000, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view rCo and already ubiquitous rCo reaction to this news is to >>> mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries rCo and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank rCo or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong rCo
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process rCo
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekrCOs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned rCo but not affiliated rCo candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies rCyuphold white supremacy.rCO SherCOs also >>> expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    rCyproximity to whiteness.rCO She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentinerCOs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    rCyIrCOm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.rCO

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled rCo insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyrCOs voters are returning to the
    establishmentrCOs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party rCo as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice rCo backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyrCOs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.??????????????????????????????????????????????????


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional
    representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    Nevertheless that rightward march can't countenance a single social
    democrat, or anything else really than rightward marchers.

    "I'm not voting for anyone who thinks the wrong side won the Cold War or cheers for the Intifada like it's the World Cup." - Bill Maher, Jul 31, 2026

    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Wilson@Wilson@nowhere.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 14:06:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal
    their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    rCLbourgeoisie,rCY they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all
    of us see, actually exist?

    YourCOll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    rCLCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from
    a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically
    is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA
    members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in
    the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members
    of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That
    Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the
    way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by Bolsheviks.rCY <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>


    While the movement gains strength, itrCOs unclear if the center left is in denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftrCOs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IrCOll just assume theyrCOre talking about Trump, to whom werCOll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of
    DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned
    two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA),
    Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general.
    Mai Vang (CA), while she didnrCOt win outright, is headed to the general. Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then
    of course thererCOs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the
    term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for Senate.

    The DSArCOs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the
    banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on
    the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the
    general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in
    LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York,
    the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkrCOs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured
    further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis,
    Jersey City, Louisville, andrCa Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSArCOs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But positions that sound so totally insane IrCOm afraid most people assume IrCOm exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property
    (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to
    draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerrCOs
    Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItrCOs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetrCOs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs
    and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an
    authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of
    abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyrCOve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how werCOve arrived at the absolute dumbest incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but
    Trump is just as bad."

    You donrCOt like Trump or his policies. ThatrCOs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing
    every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This
    is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YourCOre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    herCOs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration
    of the DSA, which is seeking rCo explicitly rCo to abolish our government
    and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of
    George W. BushrCOs election, along with most Democrats in the country,
    pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs? ThatrCOs just a policy you donrCOt like. Understandably! It may be wrong,
    but itrCOs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration,
    and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy,
    and the economy is all that really matters. IrCOm not here to debate that position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you
    donrCOt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war
    in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itrCOs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it.
    But in terms of norms, IrCOm having a hard time understanding how this act
    is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our
    executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out
    of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But yourCOll notice our courts have routinely intervened to
    halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He
    is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the
    Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC
    proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donrCOt agree with, or canrCOt stand. I hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust werCOre seeing most especially, and
    to the greatest consequence, from the populist left rCo where actual calls
    for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the
    DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyrCOre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which
    I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of
    government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration.
    This isnrCOt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you
    side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with
    something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenrCOt just a guy
    we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 12:01:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 11:06 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-
    tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal their things before it targets the white middle class (the rCLbourgeoisie,rCY they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all
    of us see, actually exist?

    YourCOll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is absolutely nothing to see here:

    rCLCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from
    a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically
    is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in
    the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members
    of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by Bolsheviks.rCY <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red- scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    While the movement gains strength, itrCOs unclear if the center left is in denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftrCOs own MAGA, on par with a mass of unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IrCOll just assume theyrCOre talking about Trump, to whom werCOll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of
    DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned
    two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA), Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general.
    Mai Vang (CA), while she didnrCOt win outright, is headed to the general. Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then
    of course thererCOs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for Senate.

    The DSArCOs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on
    the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in
    LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York,
    the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkrCOs State Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, Jersey City, Louisville, andrCa Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSArCOs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But positions that sound so totally insane IrCOm afraid most people assume IrCOm exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property
    (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerrCOs
    Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItrCOs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetrCOs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs
    and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyrCOve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how werCOve arrived at the absolute dumbest incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but
    Trump is just as bad."

    You donrCOt like Trump or his policies. ThatrCOs fine. But Trump has actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This
    is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YourCOre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    herCOs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration
    of the DSA, which is seeking rCo explicitly rCo to abolish our government and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of George W. BushrCOs election, along with most Democrats in the country, pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs? ThatrCOs just a policy you donrCOt like. Understandably! It may be wrong, but itrCOs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration, and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy,
    and the economy is all that really matters. IrCOm not here to debate that position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you donrCOt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war
    in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itrCOs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it.
    But in terms of norms, IrCOm having a hard time understanding how this act is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out
    of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But yourCOll notice our courts have routinely intervened to halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He
    is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donrCOt agree with, or canrCOt stand. I hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust werCOre seeing most especially, and to the greatest consequence, from the populist left rCo where actual calls for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the
    DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyrCOre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which
    I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration.
    This isnrCOt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenrCOt just a guy
    we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA

    "I'm not voting for anyone who thinks the wrong side won the Cold War or cheers for the Intifada like it's the World Cup." - Bill Maher
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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 17:22:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 10:47:48 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/13/2026 6:51 AM, Creon wrote:
    At Wed, 12 Aug 2026 16:35:17 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    aIAm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.A


    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donAt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyAs
    vote-tabulation systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericaAs first avowedly
    socialist state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely
    tight primary to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the
    gubernatorial primary in Wisconsin.

    The long-view u and already ubiquitous u reaction to this news is to
    mark it down as a major blow for the Democratic Socialists of America
    and their bid to take over the Democratic establishment. But the more
    immediate takeaway is two-fold: pollsters are very bad at divining
    Democratic primaries u and Democratic primary officials are hopeless
    at tallying votes.

    The primary ended in farce early this morning as Milwaukee County
    workers reportedly had to recover five USB sticks with vote counts on
    them, only for those sticks to apparently be blank u or something,
    nobody seems entirely sure. But what is certain is that the Wisconsin
    polls predicting a comfortable victory for Hong were wildly wrong u
    and did not take into account the peculiar dynamics of the race.
    Crowley only became the clear moderate choice late in the process u
    and mainstream voters duly flocked to him over Hong, a proud DSA
    member with a long record of expressing barmy radical opinions.
    Polling companies failed to anticipate or identify those shifts. They
    made a similar mistake in not identifying late trends in last weekAs
    Senate primary in Michigan, which ended up being a far narrower
    victory for the DSA-aligned u but not affiliated u candidate Abdul
    El-Sayed.

    But the real story should not be how Hong lost. It should be how on
    earth she came so close to being the Democratic choice for Wisconsin
    in a very high turnout primary in such an important swing state. Like
    many DSA members, Hong has said she wants to abolish the police
    because law enforcement agencies auphold white supremacy.A SheAs also
    expressed discomfort at the fact her bi-racial son gives her a
    aproximity to whiteness.A She has supported the abolition of the
    Senate, supported public-owned grocery stores and banks, and opposed
    ValentineAs Day. In 2019, she tweeted the following:

    aIAm doin a 6-course dinner inspired by menstruation alongside my
    friends Autumn and Kel. There will be booze too. Come hang.A

    And, on CNN a few weeks ago, she declined to disavow her stated view
    that Thanksgiving should be annulled u insisting instead that she was
    a trained chef who knew all about bringing people together (to
    celebrate catamenia, for instance.)

    In comparison to Hong, El-Sayed comes across as Obamaesque in his
    political professionalism. And yet she came within a whisker of being
    the Democratic nominee for governor in a state Donald Trump won
    twice. None of this means the partyAs voters are returning to the
    establishmentAs preferred path. No, it suggests that successful
    Democratic candidates are now the ones who bridge the gap between the
    hard and soft left of their party u as El-Sayed just about did in
    Michigan, and as the Ojibwe Native American activist Peggy Flanagan
    did in her Minnesota senate primary last night. Flanagan is not a DSA
    member, but she was the progressive choice u backed by Senator Bernie
    Sanders, the partyAs elder socialist statesman. She won by 20 per
    cent in a primary cycle dominated by debates about immigration
    enforcement. She is now the strong favourite to win against Michele
    Tafoya, the Republican former National Football League sideline
    reporter.

    Just a couple of years ago, Republican strategists would have found
    it easy to cast Flanagan as a far-left lunatic. Their problem in 2026
    is that, compared to Hong and the popular DSA fringe, she seems to
    many to be the reassuringly sensible
    choice.??????????????????????????????????????????????????


    Freddy Gray

    "Oh Lord, here they come again ... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

    Seriously though: since the U.S. of A. doesn't have proportional
    representation, a few DSA types in office won't ruin anything, and
    might achieve a kind of balance to the rightward march of the Overton
    window in USA politics.

    You're probably right, a few absolutely unhinged people running things
    won't make much difference.

    Just like electing a narcissistic idiot president won't make much
    difference, oh wait, that actually did make a difference. A lot of
    difference as a matter of fact.

    Just like allowing a few people to sleep on the street doesn't.

    And making shoplifting under $995 doesn't.

    And allowing drug addicts to shoot up publicly doesn't.

    And taxing the wealth people hold in investments won't.

    No, the idea is that one will make a good difference. Whether you
    like it or not.

    Mao famously waged a war on the sparrows in China's farmland because he >thought they were eating the grain, leading to a widespread infestation
    of pests that those sparrows had also eaten. Which destroyed so much of
    the food that it made the widespread famine even worse.

    Small things.


    And...have you compared the size of the California economy to that
    of (say) Japan, or (say) the UK?


    The golden goose will never die.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Thu Aug 13 17:25:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donAt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyAs vote-tabulation
    systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericaAs first avowedly socialist
    state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic >radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can >unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal >their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    obourgeoisie,o they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through
    the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all
    of us see, actually exist?

    YouAll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    oCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from
    a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically
    is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA >members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in
    the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members
    of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That >Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the >way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by >appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by >Bolsheviks.o ><https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.


    While the movement gains strength, itAs unclear if the center left is in >denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually >ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftAs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently >abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IAll just assume >theyAre talking about Trump, to whom weAll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional >primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their >intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of
    DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned
    two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA), >Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila >Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general.
    Mai Vang (CA), while she didnAt win outright, is headed to the general. >Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then
    of course thereAs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the
    term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the >technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for >Senate.

    The DSAAs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the
    banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on
    the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local >politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the >general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in
    LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York,
    the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkAs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured >further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, >Jersey City, Louisville, anda Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSAAs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan >favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But >positions that sound so totally insane IAm afraid most people assume IAm >exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and >prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property
    (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to >draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerAs
    Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItAs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in >response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetAs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs
    and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an >authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of >abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyAve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how weAve arrived at the absolute dumbest >incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but
    Trump is just as bad."

    You donAt like Trump or his policies. ThatAs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing >every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This
    is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YouAre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    heAs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration
    of the DSA, which is seeking u explicitly u to abolish our government
    and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of >George W. BushAs election, along with most Democrats in the country,
    pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs? >ThatAs just a policy you donAt like. Understandably! It may be wrong,
    but itAs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration,
    and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy,
    and the economy is all that really matters. IAm not here to debate that >position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you
    donAt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war
    in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itAs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it.
    But in terms of norms, IAm having a hard time understanding how this act
    is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our >executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out
    of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But youAll notice our courts have routinely intervened to
    halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He
    is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates >themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the >Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC >proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donAt agree with, or canAt stand. I >hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust weAre seeing most especially, and
    to the greatest consequence, from the populist left u where actual calls
    for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political >assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a >terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the >distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the
    DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyAre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which
    I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our >institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of >government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and >explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration.
    This isnAt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you >side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with >something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenAt just a guy
    we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Fri Aug 14 20:14:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/13/2026 2:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation >>> systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist >>> state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary >>> to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic
    radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can
    unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal
    their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    rCLbourgeoisie,rCY they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through >> the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all
    of us see, actually exist?

    YourCOll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    rCLCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from >> a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically
    is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA
    members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in
    the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members
    of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That
    Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the
    way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by
    appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by
    Bolsheviks.rCY
    <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.

    So, it's come to this:

    Francesca Hong, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the
    measure of sanity in US politics today.



    While the movement gains strength, itrCOs unclear if the center left is in >> denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually
    ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftrCOs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently
    abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IrCOll just assume
    theyrCOre talking about Trump, to whom werCOll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional
    primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their
    intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of
    DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned
    two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA),
    Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila
    Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general.
    Mai Vang (CA), while she didnrCOt win outright, is headed to the general.
    Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then
    of course thererCOs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the
    term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the
    technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for
    Senate.

    The DSArCOs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the
    banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on
    the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local
    politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the
    general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in
    LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York,
    the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkrCOs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured
    further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis,
    Jersey City, Louisville, andrCa Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSArCOs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan
    favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But
    positions that sound so totally insane IrCOm afraid most people assume IrCOm >> exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and
    prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property
    (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to
    draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerrCOs
    Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItrCOs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in
    response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetrCOs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs
    and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an
    authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of
    abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyrCOve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how werCOve arrived at the absolute dumbest
    incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but
    Trump is just as bad."

    You donrCOt like Trump or his policies. ThatrCOs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing
    every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This
    is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YourCOre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    herCOs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration
    of the DSA, which is seeking rCo explicitly rCo to abolish our government
    and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of
    George W. BushrCOs election, along with most Democrats in the country,
    pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs?
    ThatrCOs just a policy you donrCOt like. Understandably! It may be wrong,
    but itrCOs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration, >> and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy,
    and the economy is all that really matters. IrCOm not here to debate that
    position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you
    donrCOt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war
    in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itrCOs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it.
    But in terms of norms, IrCOm having a hard time understanding how this act >> is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our
    executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out
    of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But yourCOll notice our courts have routinely intervened to
    halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He
    is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates
    themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the
    Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC
    proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donrCOt agree with, or canrCOt stand. I >> hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust werCOre seeing most especially, and >> to the greatest consequence, from the populist left rCo where actual calls >> for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political
    assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a
    terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the
    distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the
    DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyrCOre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which
    I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our
    institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of
    government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and
    explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration.
    This isnrCOt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you
    side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with
    something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenrCOt just a guy
    we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Aug 15 09:58:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:14:25 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/13/2026 2:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donAt want to cancel
    Thanksgiving u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyAs vote-tabulation >>>> systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericaAs first avowedly socialist >>>> state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary >>>> to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial
    primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic
    radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can >>> unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal
    their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    obourgeoisie,o they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through >>> the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all
    of us see, actually exist?

    YouAll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    oCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from >>> a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically
    is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA
    members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in
    the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members
    of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That
    Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the >>> way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by
    appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by >>> Bolsheviks.o
    <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.

    So, it's come to this:

    Francesca Hong, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the
    measure of sanity in US politics today.

    Wrong, there is no such sanity in us politics.



    While the movement gains strength, itAs unclear if the center left is in >>> denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually
    ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftAs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently
    abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IAll just assume
    theyAre talking about Trump, to whom weAll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional
    primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their
    intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of
    DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned
    two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA), >>> Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila
    Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general. >>> Mai Vang (CA), while she didnAt win outright, is headed to the general.
    Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then
    of course thereAs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the
    term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the
    technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for
    Senate.

    The DSAAs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the
    banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on
    the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local
    politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the
    general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in
    LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York, >>> the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkAs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured
    further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis,
    Jersey City, Louisville, anda Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSAAs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan
    favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But
    positions that sound so totally insane IAm afraid most people assume IAm >>> exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and >>> prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property
    (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to >>> draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerAs
    Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItAs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in
    response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetAs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs
    and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an
    authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of
    abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyAve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how weAve arrived at the absolute dumbest
    incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but
    Trump is just as bad."

    You donAt like Trump or his policies. ThatAs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing
    every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This >>> is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YouAre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    heAs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration
    of the DSA, which is seeking u explicitly u to abolish our government
    and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of
    George W. BushAs election, along with most Democrats in the country,
    pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs?
    ThatAs just a policy you donAt like. Understandably! It may be wrong,
    but itAs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration, >>> and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy, >>> and the economy is all that really matters. IAm not here to debate that
    position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you
    donAt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war >>> in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itAs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it.
    But in terms of norms, IAm having a hard time understanding how this act >>> is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our
    executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out
    of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But youAll notice our courts have routinely intervened to
    halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He >>> is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates >>> themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the
    Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC
    proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donAt agree with, or canAt stand. I
    hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust weAre seeing most especially, and >>> to the greatest consequence, from the populist left u where actual calls >>> for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political
    assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a
    terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the
    distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the >>> DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyAre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which
    I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our
    institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of
    government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and
    explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration.
    This isnAt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you >>> side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with
    something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenAt just a guy
    we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Aug 15 10:03:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On 8/15/2026 6:58 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:14:25 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/13/2026 2:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donrCOt want to cancel >>>>> Thanksgiving rCo on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyrCOs vote-tabulation
    systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericarCOs first avowedly socialist
    state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary >>>>> to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial >>>>> primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic
    radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can >>>> unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal >>>> their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    rCLbourgeoisie,rCY they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through
    the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all >>>> of us see, actually exist?

    YourCOll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    rCLCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from >>>> a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically >>>> is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA
    members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in >>>> the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of
    class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members >>>> of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That
    Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the >>>> way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by
    appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by >>>> Bolsheviks.rCY
    <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.

    So, it's come to this:

    Francesca Hong, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the
    measure of sanity in US politics today.

    Wrong, there is no such sanity in us politics.

    The problem is you just can't make sense of it.




    While the movement gains strength, itrCOs unclear if the center left is in >>>> denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on
    two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually >>>> ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftrCOs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist."
    While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently >>>> abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IrCOll just assume >>>> theyrCOre talking about Trump, to whom werCOll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional >>>> primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their >>>> intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of >>>> DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned >>>> two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA), >>>> Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila >>>> Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general. >>>> Mai Vang (CA), while she didnrCOt win outright, is headed to the general. >>>> Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then >>>> of course thererCOs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the >>>> term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the >>>> technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for >>>> Senate.

    The DSArCOs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the >>>> banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on >>>> the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local >>>> politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the >>>> general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in >>>> LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York, >>>> the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkrCOs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured >>>> further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, >>>> Jersey City, Louisville, andrCa Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSArCOs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan
    favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But
    positions that sound so totally insane IrCOm afraid most people assume IrCOm
    exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and >>>> prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all
    major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property >>>> (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to >>>> draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerrCOs >>>> Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItrCOs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in >>>> response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetrCOs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs >>>> and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists"
    and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper,
    they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an
    authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of
    abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyrCOve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how werCOve arrived at the absolute dumbest >>>> incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but >>>> Trump is just as bad."

    You donrCOt like Trump or his policies. ThatrCOs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing >>>> every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This >>>> is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YourCOre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that
    herCOs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration >>>> of the DSA, which is seeking rCo explicitly rCo to abolish our government >>>> and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of >>>> George W. BushrCOs election, along with most Democrats in the country, >>>> pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs? >>>> ThatrCOs just a policy you donrCOt like. Understandably! It may be wrong, >>>> but itrCOs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration, >>>> and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy, >>>> and the economy is all that really matters. IrCOm not here to debate that >>>> position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you >>>> donrCOt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war >>>> in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itrCOs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it. >>>> But in terms of norms, IrCOm having a hard time understanding how this act >>>> is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our
    executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out >>>> of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that
    culture back. But yourCOll notice our courts have routinely intervened to >>>> halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the
    courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He >>>> is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates >>>> themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the >>>> Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not
    yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC
    proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donrCOt agree with, or canrCOt stand. I
    hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust werCOre seeing most especially, and >>>> to the greatest consequence, from the populist left rCo where actual calls >>>> for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political
    assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a >>>> terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the >>>> distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the >>>> DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyrCOre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which >>>> I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our
    institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of
    government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who
    makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and >>>> explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration. >>>> This isnrCOt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you >>>> side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with
    something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenrCOt just a guy >>>> we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA

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  • From Noah Sombrero@fedora@fea.st to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sat Aug 15 13:04:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy

    On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 10:03:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/15/2026 6:58 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:14:25 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/13/2026 2:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters donAt want to cancel >>>>>> Thanksgiving u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few
    Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their partyAs vote-tabulation >>>>>> systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be AmericaAs first avowedly socialist >>>>>> state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary >>>>>> to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial >>>>>> primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic
    radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can >>>>> unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal >>>>> their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    obourgeoisie,o they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through >>>>> the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all >>>>> of us see, actually exist?

    YouAll be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    oCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from >>>>> a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically >>>>> is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA >>>>> members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in >>>>> the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of >>>>> class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members >>>>> of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That >>>>> Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the >>>>> way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by >>>>> appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by >>>>> Bolsheviks.o
    <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.

    So, it's come to this:

    Francesca Hong, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the
    measure of sanity in US politics today.

    Wrong, there is no such sanity in us politics.

    The problem is you just can't make sense of it.

    The problem is that craziness rules. Since himbo.




    While the movement gains strength, itAs unclear if the center left is in >>>>> denial or trying to obscure it all on purpose as we inch toward the
    general election. But their argument, at this point common, stands on >>>>> two flimsy pillars. First, the position that socialism is not actually >>>>> ascendant in the Democratic Party. Then, the position that the DSA,
    while radical, is merely the leftAs own MAGA, on par with a mass of
    unnamed "rank-and-file" members of the GOP, who are "proto-fascist." >>>>> While NY Mag feels no responsibility to actually name these apparently >>>>> abundant fascists in the GOP, or any of their beliefs, IAll just assume >>>>> theyAre talking about Trump, to whom weAll return in a moment.

    Now, is the radicalization happening? NY Mag suggests "just three
    members of the Democratic Socialists of America have won congressional >>>>> primaries," which is distorted to the point I have to say I think their >>>>> intention must be deception.

    At present, there are two sitting members of the DSA in Congress,
    including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and living, breathing, walking
    "build the wall" advertisement Rashida Tlaib. But there are hundreds of >>>>> DSA members in government, which Wikipedia has done a helpful job
    tracking. In terms of primary victories, other than the aforementioned >>>>> two candidates who are both running and favored to win, Chris Rabb (PA), >>>>> Melat Kiros (CO), Brad Lander (NY), Claire Valdez (NY), Darializa Avila >>>>> Chevalier (NY), and Donavan McKinney (MI) are all headed to the general. >>>>> Mai Vang (CA), while she didnAt win outright, is headed to the general. >>>>> Oliver Larkin (FL) has a good chance of advancing to the general. Then >>>>> of course thereAs media superstar Abdul El-Sayed (MI), who rejects the >>>>> term socialist but supports the nationalization of large swaths of the >>>>> technology industry, and secured a DSA endorsement reserved for
    candidates who share the DSA platform. He just won his primary race for >>>>> Senate.

    The DSAAs national victories, all organized and coordinated under the >>>>> banner of socialism, would alone constitute a movement. But what few on >>>>> the "moderate" left are willing to face are the DSA victories in local >>>>> politics, which are already transforming our country.

    Janeese Lewis George took her primary in DC, and is now running in the >>>>> general for Mayor this November, while Nithya Raman took her primary in >>>>> LA. There is, of course, Zohran Mamdani, who now not only runs New York, >>>>> the largest and wealthiest city in our country, but does so with
    tremendous support in City Council. There, as in New YorkAs State
    Assembly, nearly the entire DSA slate won. The socialists have secured >>>>> further victories in cities spanning Los Angeles, where they are
    especially dominant, Buffalo, Syracuse, Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, >>>>> Jersey City, Louisville, anda Poughkeepsie.

    Lovely. Now what do they believe?

    In order to secure a DSA endorsement, candidates must adhere to the
    DSAAs national policy program. This of course includes all the fan
    favorites: total student debt forgiveness, reparations, closing all
    overseas military bases, and phasing out the use of fossil fuels. But >>>>> positions that sound so totally insane IAm afraid most people assume IAm >>>>> exaggerating when I talk about them include: abolition of the police and >>>>> prisons, abolition of the Electoral College, abolition of the U.S.
    Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency, and the nationalization of all >>>>> major industry in the country. The DSA of course demands a national
    "wealth tax," which effectively abolishes our right to private property >>>>> (a case I made in detail for Pirate Wires). And finally, they promise to >>>>> draft a new Constitution. What do you think, guys, will Hasan PikerAs >>>>> Dumb Bitch Politburo let us keep our right to speech?

    Wait.

    Do you hear that?

    ItAs the fevered clacking of 10,000 abundance libs furiously typing in >>>>> response.

    "BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUMP!"

    Okay, sure. LetAs address the giant blonde hairpiece in the room.

    Facing the twin horrors of the DSA, including both their stated beliefs >>>>> and their clear ascendance within the DNC, self-described "centrists" >>>>> and Democratic Party "moderates" face a difficult problem. On paper, >>>>> they should be completely opposed to what is by all accounts an
    authoritarian takeover of their party with clearly the intention of
    abolishing our current government and replacing it with something
    altogether Marxist. But theyAve already gone and made opposition to
    Trump, the spiritual head of the Republican Party, their entire
    political identity. This is how weAve arrived at the absolute dumbest >>>>> incarnation of this conversation, which reduces to something like "but >>>>> Trump is just as bad."

    You donAt like Trump or his policies. ThatAs fine. But Trump has
    actually not made any gesture whatsoever in the direction of abolishing >>>>> every branch of power in the country but his own. This is not real. This >>>>> is a liberal rape fantasy.

    YouAre perfectly entitled to not like Trump. To hate him. To truly
    believe he is the worst president in history. To believe he is
    legitimately dangerous, even. But what you can really not say is that >>>>> heAs radical, or at least not in the sense we speak of in consideration >>>>> of the DSA, which is seeking u explicitly u to abolish our government >>>>> and replace it with something fundamentally new.

    Trump denies the results of the election. Okay. I denied the results of >>>>> George W. BushAs election, along with most Democrats in the country, >>>>> pretty much throughout his presidency. What else do you have? Tariffs? >>>>> ThatAs just a policy you donAt like. Understandably! It may be wrong, >>>>> but itAs not radical. Mass deportation? I get that you love immigration, >>>>> and think illegal immigration is actually, on net, good for the economy, >>>>> and the economy is all that really matters. IAm not here to debate that >>>>> position. But deporting illegal immigrants is actually the law. If you >>>>> donAt like the law, you can change it by winning elections. And
    following the law is not a revolution.

    Then, I guess people are really dying to know what I think about the war >>>>> in Iran. A treat for you: I hate it! I think itAs bad! Though I
    admittedly have no idea what information Trump is working from, I
    generally believe war sucks and we should try our best to never do it. >>>>> But in terms of norms, IAm having a hard time understanding how this act >>>>> is "revolutionary" given America has been in some form of war for
    literally my entire life.

    Rule by executive order is unhealthy, and I agree the culture of our >>>>> executive drafting magic spells and casting law into the country is out >>>>> of hand. You can thank FDR for that, and then Obama who brought that >>>>> culture back. But youAll notice our courts have routinely intervened to >>>>> halt executive orders, and when Trump receives a negative ruling he
    simply trashes it and moves on to the next Diet Coke. He has not
    dissolved the courts. He did not run on a platform of dissolving the >>>>> courts. He has not written down his intention to dissolve the courts. He >>>>> is not leading a well-coordinated army of young congressional candidates >>>>> themselves committed to dissolving the courts.

    DSA candidates are, right now, running on a platform of dissolving the >>>>> Supreme Court. If they win, they will not succeed because they do not >>>>> yet have the power to succeed. But if the radicalization of the DNC
    proceeds, this country will not survive.

    Trump has done many things I either donAt agree with, or canAt stand. I >>>>> hated when he, to my eye, mocked the death of Rob Reiner, which I
    consider disgusting and coarsening of our culture in a way that has
    helped normalize the kind of bloodlust weAre seeing most especially, and >>>>> to the greatest consequence, from the populist left u where actual calls >>>>> for murder, and full-throated defense and celebration of political
    assassination is now routine. But surely you can believe this man is a >>>>> terrible human as well as a terrible president, while understanding the >>>>> distinction between those things and the ascendance of a movement in the >>>>> DNC to dissolve the government.

    My point here is not even that the DSA is bad (though, holy shit,
    theyAre really bad). My point is only that the DSA is radical, by which >>>>> I mean their goal is not to reform our institutions or to bend our
    institutions to their will, but to replace them with a new form of
    government. These are authoritarians, by which I do not mean "guy who >>>>> makes me mad." I am actually just looking at their policy proposals and >>>>> explaining to you who they are, in their own language.

    We are well beyond a simple disagreement on tax policy, or immigration. >>>>> This isnAt a conversation about gay marriage or abortion. We are
    litigating the actual structure of our government. Face that. And if you >>>>> side with the people who are seeking to replace our government with
    something altogether new and explicitly Marxist, you arenAt just a guy >>>>> we disagree with anymore.

    -SOLANA
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From Dude@user2891@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy on Sun Aug 16 22:13:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy


    Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> posted:

    On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 10:03:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/15/2026 6:58 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:14:25 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/13/2026 2:25 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Thu, 13 Aug 2026 14:06:00 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/12/2026 11:35 AM, Julian wrote:

    So, at time of writing, it looks as if voters don-At want to cancel >>>>>> Thanksgiving -u on balance, at least. Come November, however, few >>>>>> Democrats will be expressing gratitude for their party-As vote-tabulation
    systems.

    Francesca Hong, it seems, will not be America-As first avowedly socialist
    state governor. She appears to have just lost an extremely tight primary
    to David Crowley, a Milwaukee County executive, in the gubernatorial >>>>>> primary in Wisconsin.


    Woke 2

    The Democratic Party is, I think obviously, undergoing an historic >>>>> radicalization. Woke 2, a playful framing for what is clearly
    unapologetic Marxism, is, if unchallenged, the future. But before we can
    unpack this new, cooler woke, which promises to jail the rich and steal >>>>> their things before it targets the white middle class (the
    -obourgeoisie,-o they call this), we unfortunately do have to jump through
    the first traditional media hoop: does this very real thing, which all >>>>> of us see, actually exist?

    You-All be happy to hear that NY Mag is on the case, and there is
    absolutely nothing to see here:

    -oCherry-picking controversial past statements or social-media posts from
    a handful of candidates and then inflating their numbers astronomically >>>>> is required to sustain any sort of red-wave hypothesis. Are there DSA >>>>> members (not candidates, but rank-and-file members) who are Marxist, in >>>>> the sense of viewing political and economic life through the lens of >>>>> class struggle? Yes, there are, much as there are rank-and-file members >>>>> of the GOP who by any conventional definition are proto-fascist. That >>>>> Marxists define the Democratic Party as a whole is ludicrous. And by the
    way, these allegedly terrifying progressives are winning primaries by >>>>> appealing to voters in free elections, which was not a tactic favored by
    Bolsheviks.-o
    <https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-gops-big-red-scare-is-really-stupid.html>

    Oh, my, a tiny bit of sanity. How mystifying.

    So, it's come to this:

    Francesca Hong, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the
    measure of sanity in US politics today.

    Wrong, there is no such sanity in us politics.

    The problem is you just can't make sense of it.

    The problem is that craziness rules. Since himbo.

    After losing, Hong had screamed in anguish after coming home to find
    an early invitation to a family Thanksgiving. - Babylon Bee

    <snip>
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