On Wednesday, the largest traditional Catholic order of priests in the world, the Society of Saint Pius X, consecrated four bishops without a
papal mandate.
The VaticanrCOs response was swift and brutal. Today, it announced that
not only have the four new bishops and the two consecrators been excommunicated but, shockingly, so will all the priests and faithful who continue to adhere to the SocietyrCOs work rCo an edict that will likely affect more than a million Catholics worldwide.
This comes across as startlingly harsh, especially as the penalty of excommunication for consecrating bishops without a mandate has only
existed since 1951. Pius XII established it to prevent the Chinese
Communist party from appointing bishops loyal to Beijing. Ironically,
today the CCP appoints bishops without a mandate for the explicit
purpose of guaranteeing loyalty to communism and receives the VaticanrCOs automatic blessing. By contrast, over a million traditional Catholics
have now been cut off from the Church for the crime of wanting to
practise the faith as it was before the Second Vatican Council.
The morning sun was shining when the consecration began at the seminary
of Econe, Switzerland, in the presence of 16,600 adult faithful and too
many children to count. But a burst of heavy rain struck just before Communion was to be distributed. Outside the ceremonial tent, the
drenched crowds sang rCyAve MariasrCO and prayed the rosary in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary, until the downpour lightened enough to continue (by
the end all was sunshine, organ and pealing bells).
It was a symbolic moment for the Society. It has particularly championed
the Blessed Virgin since November, when the Vatican issued a document downplaying her role in salvation. The Society cited this document as influential in their decision to proceed with the consecrations.
Excommunication is the most severe punishment the Catholic Church can
carry out. But the Society insists that canon law makes provision for
the extraordinary consecration of bishops at times of crisis.
They uphold the PoperCOs authority as Vicar of Christ and pray for him at Mass. But they say that even the Pope (who, as the old adage has it, is
the vicar of Christ, not His successor) has no right to cut off the
faithful from the traditional Catholic liturgy, doctrine and sacraments.
The traditional Mass is, with severe restrictions, available within the mainstream Church. But the Society of Saint Pius X and its affiliates
are the only formal groups who offer exclusively traditional Catholic doctrine and liturgy as they were before the Second Vatican Council.
Without bishops, their work will eventually end, and the faithful who
want to practise Catholicism in its pre-conciliar form will have nowhere
to turn.
This would undoubtedly be the VaticanrCOs preferred outcome. What makes things awkward for Rome is that the Church has always claimed to be the guardian of an unchangeable truth. More can be learned about the truth,
but what was already known can never be contradicted. For this reason
Rome cannot condemn the SocietyrCOs members as heretics for practising the pre-conciliar Catholic faith (though, as Pope Leo admitted to
journalists a couple of weeks ago, the changes of Vatican II are the fundamental issues at stake).
This isnrCOt the first time the Society has been sanctioned by the Church. In 1988, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the Society of Saint
Pius X, after engaging in endless, fruitless negotiations to obtain a bishop, realised he would soon die, and decided that the preservation of
the pre-conciliar faith justified an extraordinary action. He
consecrated four bishops, without jurisdiction, whose sole purpose was
to provide for the sacramental life of the faithful.
Excommunication followed and the Society was called schismatic, though
it steadfastly denied the charge. Although the Society did not recant,
Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication in 2008 and Pope Francis, who respected the Society for its work with the poor in Buenos Aires,
allowed it to hear confessions and perform marriages.
An odd kind of schism, if it even was one. And now, without having
changed its position one iota since 1988, the Society has been excommunicated and declared schismatic again. In a move that is
particularly cruel for the faithful, the Vatican has explicitly removed
the faculties for marriages and confessions granted by Pope Francis.
Those who have watched the SocietyrCOs recent documentary Traditio about
its apostolate, have in many cases been profoundly moved by the matter- of-fact way in which the SocietyrCOs priests go about the world, working themselves to the bone, doing what the Catholic Church has always done: teaching, baptising, absolving, marrying, burying, and praying for the
souls of others.
They acknowledge the authority of the Pope in all that is not sin. But
they think that to wash their hands like Pilate, to stand back and let
the ChurchrCOs pre-conciliar faith die out, would be a sin.
Their sincerity is clear rCo and the harshness of Pope Leo unconscionable. He has excommunicated an entire loyal branch of the Church after
steadfastly refusing to let them come to him to explain their position. Since his election they have tried to approach him for an audience; in
vain. Instead, they were offered dialogue that explicitly excluded the consecration of bishops and the points of disagreement with the Second Vatican Council. But these were the only things that needed to be
discussed.
The Catholic faithful have been forced to uphold Vatican II for too
long. It is time for the Church to allow Catholics to practise the old faith.
The Pope meets with soccer players and pop stars; he speaks up for
migrants and blesses a block of ice to show his love for the earth. But
the children of his house are excommunicated, attacked as schismatic, starved of the traditional sacraments and punished for wanting what the Church has always given. The injustice of it cries out to heaven.
Jane Stannus
On 7/2/26 8:27 AM, Julian wrote:
On Wednesday, the largest traditional Catholic order of priests in the
world, the Society of Saint Pius X, consecrated four bishops without a
papal mandate.
The VaticanrCOs response was swift and brutal. Today, it announced that
not only have the four new bishops and the two consecrators been
excommunicated but, shockingly, so will all the priests and faithful
who continue to adhere to the SocietyrCOs work rCo an edict that will
likely affect more than a million Catholics worldwide.
This comes across as startlingly harsh, especially as the penalty of
excommunication for consecrating bishops without a mandate has only
existed since 1951. Pius XII established it to prevent the Chinese
Communist party from appointing bishops loyal to Beijing. Ironically,
today the CCP appoints bishops without a mandate for the explicit
purpose of guaranteeing loyalty to communism and receives the
VaticanrCOs automatic blessing. By contrast, over a million traditional
Catholics have now been cut off from the Church for the crime of
wanting to practise the faith as it was before the Second Vatican
Council.
The morning sun was shining when the consecration began at the
seminary of Econe, Switzerland, in the presence of 16,600 adult
faithful and too many children to count. But a burst of heavy rain
struck just before Communion was to be distributed. Outside the
ceremonial tent, the drenched crowds sang rCyAve MariasrCO and prayed the >> rosary in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary, until the downpour
lightened enough to continue (by the end all was sunshine, organ and
pealing bells).
It was a symbolic moment for the Society. It has particularly
championed the Blessed Virgin since November, when the Vatican issued
a document downplaying her role in salvation. The Society cited this
document as influential in their decision to proceed with the
consecrations.
Excommunication is the most severe punishment the Catholic Church can
carry out. But the Society insists that canon law makes provision for
the extraordinary consecration of bishops at times of crisis.
They uphold the PoperCOs authority as Vicar of Christ and pray for him
at Mass. But they say that even the Pope (who, as the old adage has
it, is the vicar of Christ, not His successor) has no right to cut off
the faithful from the traditional Catholic liturgy, doctrine and
sacraments.
The traditional Mass is, with severe restrictions, available within
the mainstream Church. But the Society of Saint Pius X and its
affiliates are the only formal groups who offer exclusively
traditional Catholic doctrine and liturgy as they were before the
Second Vatican Council. Without bishops, their work will eventually
end, and the faithful who want to practise Catholicism in its pre-
conciliar form will have nowhere to turn.
This would undoubtedly be the VaticanrCOs preferred outcome. What makes
things awkward for Rome is that the Church has always claimed to be
the guardian of an unchangeable truth. More can be learned about the
truth, but what was already known can never be contradicted. For this
reason Rome cannot condemn the SocietyrCOs members as heretics for
practising the pre-conciliar Catholic faith (though, as Pope Leo
admitted to journalists a couple of weeks ago, the changes of Vatican
II are the fundamental issues at stake).
This isnrCOt the first time the Society has been sanctioned by the
Church. In 1988, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the Society of
Saint Pius X, after engaging in endless, fruitless negotiations to
obtain a bishop, realised he would soon die, and decided that the
preservation of the pre-conciliar faith justified an extraordinary
action. He consecrated four bishops, without jurisdiction, whose sole
purpose was to provide for the sacramental life of the faithful.
Excommunication followed and the Society was called schismatic, though
it steadfastly denied the charge. Although the Society did not recant,
Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication in 2008 and Pope Francis, who
respected the Society for its work with the poor in Buenos Aires,
allowed it to hear confessions and perform marriages.
An odd kind of schism, if it even was one. And now, without having
changed its position one iota since 1988, the Society has been
excommunicated and declared schismatic again. In a move that is
particularly cruel for the faithful, the Vatican has explicitly
removed the faculties for marriages and confessions granted by Pope
Francis.
Those who have watched the SocietyrCOs recent documentary Traditio about
its apostolate, have in many cases been profoundly moved by the
matter- of-fact way in which the SocietyrCOs priests go about the world,
working themselves to the bone, doing what the Catholic Church has
always done: teaching, baptising, absolving, marrying, burying, and
praying for the souls of others.
They acknowledge the authority of the Pope in all that is not sin. But
they think that to wash their hands like Pilate, to stand back and let
the ChurchrCOs pre-conciliar faith die out, would be a sin.
Their sincerity is clear rCo and the harshness of Pope Leo
unconscionable. He has excommunicated an entire loyal branch of the
Church after steadfastly refusing to let them come to him to explain
their position. Since his election they have tried to approach him for
an audience; in vain. Instead, they were offered dialogue that
explicitly excluded the consecration of bishops and the points of
disagreement with the Second Vatican Council. But these were the only
things that needed to be discussed.
The Catholic faithful have been forced to uphold Vatican II for too
long. It is time for the Church to allow Catholics to practise the old
faith.
The Pope meets with soccer players and pop stars; he speaks up for
migrants and blesses a block of ice to show his love for the earth.
But the children of his house are excommunicated, attacked as
schismatic, starved of the traditional sacraments and punished for
wanting what the Church has always given. The injustice of it cries
out to heaven.
Jane Stannus
o...
On 7/2/26 8:27 AM, Julian wrote:Ask yourself, what Jesus would do?>
On Wednesday, the largest traditional Catholic order of priests in the
world, the Society of Saint Pius X, consecrated four bishops without a
papal mandate.
The VaticanrCOs response was swift and brutal. Today, it announced that
not only have the four new bishops and the two consecrators been
excommunicated but, shockingly, so will all the priests and faithful
who continue to adhere to the SocietyrCOs work rCo an edict that will
likely affect more than a million Catholics worldwide.
This comes across as startlingly harsh, especially as the penalty of
excommunication for consecrating bishops without a mandate has only
existed since 1951. Pius XII established it to prevent the Chinese
Communist party from appointing bishops loyal to Beijing. Ironically,
today the CCP appoints bishops without a mandate for the explicit
purpose of guaranteeing loyalty to communism and receives the
VaticanrCOs automatic blessing. By contrast, over a million traditional
Catholics have now been cut off from the Church for the crime of
wanting to practise the faith as it was before the Second Vatican
Council.
The morning sun was shining when the consecration began at the
seminary of Econe, Switzerland, in the presence of 16,600 adult
faithful and too many children to count. But a burst of heavy rain
struck just before Communion was to be distributed. Outside the
ceremonial tent, the drenched crowds sang rCyAve MariasrCO and prayed the >> rosary in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary, until the downpour
lightened enough to continue (by the end all was sunshine, organ and
pealing bells).
It was a symbolic moment for the Society. It has particularly
championed the Blessed Virgin since November, when the Vatican issued
a document downplaying her role in salvation. The Society cited this
document as influential in their decision to proceed with the
consecrations.
Excommunication is the most severe punishment the Catholic Church can
carry out. But the Society insists that canon law makes provision for
the extraordinary consecration of bishops at times of crisis.
They uphold the PoperCOs authority as Vicar of Christ and pray for him
at Mass. But they say that even the Pope (who, as the old adage has
it, is the vicar of Christ, not His successor) has no right to cut off
the faithful from the traditional Catholic liturgy, doctrine and
sacraments.
The traditional Mass is, with severe restrictions, available within
the mainstream Church. But the Society of Saint Pius X and its
affiliates are the only formal groups who offer exclusively
traditional Catholic doctrine and liturgy as they were before the
Second Vatican Council. Without bishops, their work will eventually
end, and the faithful who want to practise Catholicism in its pre-
conciliar form will have nowhere to turn.
This would undoubtedly be the VaticanrCOs preferred outcome. What makes
things awkward for Rome is that the Church has always claimed to be
the guardian of an unchangeable truth. More can be learned about the
truth, but what was already known can never be contradicted. For this
reason Rome cannot condemn the SocietyrCOs members as heretics for
practising the pre-conciliar Catholic faith (though, as Pope Leo
admitted to journalists a couple of weeks ago, the changes of Vatican
II are the fundamental issues at stake).
This isnrCOt the first time the Society has been sanctioned by the
Church. In 1988, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the Society of
Saint Pius X, after engaging in endless, fruitless negotiations to
obtain a bishop, realised he would soon die, and decided that the
preservation of the pre-conciliar faith justified an extraordinary
action. He consecrated four bishops, without jurisdiction, whose sole
purpose was to provide for the sacramental life of the faithful.
Excommunication followed and the Society was called schismatic, though
it steadfastly denied the charge. Although the Society did not recant,
Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication in 2008 and Pope Francis, who
respected the Society for its work with the poor in Buenos Aires,
allowed it to hear confessions and perform marriages.
An odd kind of schism, if it even was one. And now, without having
changed its position one iota since 1988, the Society has been
excommunicated and declared schismatic again. In a move that is
particularly cruel for the faithful, the Vatican has explicitly
removed the faculties for marriages and confessions granted by Pope
Francis.
Those who have watched the SocietyrCOs recent documentary Traditio about
its apostolate, have in many cases been profoundly moved by the
matter- of-fact way in which the SocietyrCOs priests go about the world,
working themselves to the bone, doing what the Catholic Church has
always done: teaching, baptising, absolving, marrying, burying, and
praying for the souls of others.
They acknowledge the authority of the Pope in all that is not sin. But
they think that to wash their hands like Pilate, to stand back and let
the ChurchrCOs pre-conciliar faith die out, would be a sin.
Their sincerity is clear rCo and the harshness of Pope Leo
unconscionable. He has excommunicated an entire loyal branch of the
Church after steadfastly refusing to let them come to him to explain
their position. Since his election they have tried to approach him for
an audience; in vain. Instead, they were offered dialogue that
explicitly excluded the consecration of bishops and the points of
disagreement with the Second Vatican Council. But these were the only
things that needed to be discussed.
The Catholic faithful have been forced to uphold Vatican II for too
long. It is time for the Church to allow Catholics to practise the old
faith.
The Pope meets with soccer players and pop stars; he speaks up for
migrants and blesses a block of ice to show his love for the earth.
But the children of his house are excommunicated, attacked as
schismatic, starved of the traditional sacraments and punished for
wanting what the Church has always given. The injustice of it cries
out to heaven.
Jane Stannus
one ought to ask the pope:
is this really what jesus would do???
On 02/07/2026 18:06, dart200 wrote:butthurt content snipping noted
On 7/2/26 8:27 AM, Julian wrote:
On Wednesday, the largest traditional Catholic order of priests in
the world, the Society of Saint Pius X, consecrated four bishops
without a papal mandate.
The VaticanrCOs response was swift and brutal. Today, it announced that >>> not only have the four new bishops and the two consecrators been
excommunicated but, shockingly, so will all the priests and faithful
who continue to adhere to the SocietyrCOs work rCo an edict that will
likely affect more than a million Catholics worldwide.
This comes across as startlingly harsh, especially as the penalty of
excommunication for consecrating bishops without a mandate has only
existed since 1951. Pius XII established it to prevent the Chinese
Communist party from appointing bishops loyal to Beijing. Ironically,
today the CCP appoints bishops without a mandate for the explicit
purpose of guaranteeing loyalty to communism and receives the
VaticanrCOs automatic blessing. By contrast, over a million traditional >>> Catholics have now been cut off from the Church for the crime of
wanting to practise the faith as it was before the Second Vatican
Council.
The morning sun was shining when the consecration began at the
seminary of Econe, Switzerland, in the presence of 16,600 adult
faithful and too many children to count. But a burst of heavy rain
struck just before Communion was to be distributed. Outside the
ceremonial tent, the drenched crowds sang rCyAve MariasrCO and prayed the >>> rosary in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary, until the downpour
lightened enough to continue (by the end all was sunshine, organ and
pealing bells).
It was a symbolic moment for the Society. It has particularly
championed the Blessed Virgin since November, when the Vatican issued
a document downplaying her role in salvation. The Society cited this
document as influential in their decision to proceed with the
consecrations.
Excommunication is the most severe punishment the Catholic Church can
carry out. But the Society insists that canon law makes provision for
the extraordinary consecration of bishops at times of crisis.
They uphold the PoperCOs authority as Vicar of Christ and pray for him
at Mass. But they say that even the Pope (who, as the old adage has
it, is the vicar of Christ, not His successor) has no right to cut
off the faithful from the traditional Catholic liturgy, doctrine and
sacraments.
The traditional Mass is, with severe restrictions, available within
the mainstream Church. But the Society of Saint Pius X and its
affiliates are the only formal groups who offer exclusively
traditional Catholic doctrine and liturgy as they were before the
Second Vatican Council. Without bishops, their work will eventually
end, and the faithful who want to practise Catholicism in its pre-
conciliar form will have nowhere to turn.
This would undoubtedly be the VaticanrCOs preferred outcome. What makes >>> things awkward for Rome is that the Church has always claimed to be
the guardian of an unchangeable truth. More can be learned about the
truth, but what was already known can never be contradicted. For this
reason Rome cannot condemn the SocietyrCOs members as heretics for
practising the pre-conciliar Catholic faith (though, as Pope Leo
admitted to journalists a couple of weeks ago, the changes of Vatican
II are the fundamental issues at stake).
This isnrCOt the first time the Society has been sanctioned by the
Church. In 1988, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the Society
of Saint Pius X, after engaging in endless, fruitless negotiations to
obtain a bishop, realised he would soon die, and decided that the
preservation of the pre-conciliar faith justified an extraordinary
action. He consecrated four bishops, without jurisdiction, whose sole
purpose was to provide for the sacramental life of the faithful.
Excommunication followed and the Society was called schismatic,
though it steadfastly denied the charge. Although the Society did not
recant, Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication in 2008 and Pope
Francis, who respected the Society for its work with the poor in
Buenos Aires, allowed it to hear confessions and perform marriages.
An odd kind of schism, if it even was one. And now, without having
changed its position one iota since 1988, the Society has been
excommunicated and declared schismatic again. In a move that is
particularly cruel for the faithful, the Vatican has explicitly
removed the faculties for marriages and confessions granted by Pope
Francis.
Those who have watched the SocietyrCOs recent documentary Traditio
about its apostolate, have in many cases been profoundly moved by the
matter- of-fact way in which the SocietyrCOs priests go about the
world, working themselves to the bone, doing what the Catholic Church
has always done: teaching, baptising, absolving, marrying, burying,
and praying for the souls of others.
They acknowledge the authority of the Pope in all that is not sin.
But they think that to wash their hands like Pilate, to stand back
and let the ChurchrCOs pre-conciliar faith die out, would be a sin.
Their sincerity is clear rCo and the harshness of Pope Leo
unconscionable. He has excommunicated an entire loyal branch of the
Church after steadfastly refusing to let them come to him to explain
their position. Since his election they have tried to approach him
for an audience; in vain. Instead, they were offered dialogue that
explicitly excluded the consecration of bishops and the points of
disagreement with the Second Vatican Council. But these were the only
things that needed to be discussed.
The Catholic faithful have been forced to uphold Vatican II for too
long. It is time for the Church to allow Catholics to practise the
old faith.
The Pope meets with soccer players and pop stars; he speaks up for
migrants and blesses a block of ice to show his love for the earth.
But the children of his house are excommunicated, attacked as
schismatic, starved of the traditional sacraments and punished for
wanting what the Church has always given. The injustice of it cries
out to heaven.
Jane Stannus
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