Enjoy the ride.
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624rCo548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on mythology.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
- Thales--
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
On 7/1/2026 2:14 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:When Thales of Miletus said "everything is water," he did not mean this literally. He proposed that the entire cosmos originates from and is sustained by a single fundamental substance.
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
He chose the wrong element, but his theory was correct.
It was the first attempt to explain the universe using reason rather
than mythology.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would follow him. A new way of thinking.
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is
water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the
beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would
follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/1/2026 2:14 PM, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:When Thales of Miletus said "everything is water," he did not mean this
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
literally. He proposed that the entire cosmos originates from and is
sustained by a single fundamental substance.
Yup, thatrCOs what he meant.
He chose the wrong element, but his theory was correct.
Pity you canrCOt straighten him out.
It was the first attempt to explain the universe using reason rather
than mythology.
Yes it was.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher, mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >>> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >>> (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the
beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a >> state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I
am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenAt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >follow him. A new way of thinking.
States of Matter: Thales observed water naturally cycling through liquid, >from solid (ice), and gas (steam or vapor). This led him to deduce that all >substances are simply altered forms of one underlying fluid.
On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 01:24:52 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics weren-At much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is
water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the
beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would
follow him. A new way of thinking.
States of Matter: Thales observed water naturally cycling through liquid,
from solid (ice), and gas (steam or vapor). This led him to deduce that all >> substances are simply altered forms of one underlying fluid.
Understanding the context of the times and what people actually knew
then, that is a remarkable deduction. Smart guy. It is not necessary
to be strictly correct, or to come up with the final analysis as a
first approximation.
Doing the best you can with what you have is worth something.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >>>> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >>>> (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a >>> state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western
Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism
and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I
am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenrCOt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN philosophy. ThatrCOs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 01:24:52 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on >>>>>> mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is
water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the
beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would
follow him. A new way of thinking.
States of Matter: Thales observed water naturally cycling through liquid, >>from solid (ice), and gas (steam or vapor). This led him to deduce that all >> substances are simply altered forms of one underlying fluid.
Understanding the context of the times and what people actually knew
then, that is a remarkable deduction. Smart guy. It is not necessary
to be strictly correct, or to come up with the final analysis as a
first approximation.
Doing the best you can with what you have is worth something.
On 7/1/2026 8:35 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all
things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>>>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing >>>>> nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >>>>> (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>>>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>>>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a >>>> state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western >>> Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism
and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I >>> am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenrCOt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN
philosophy. ThatrCOs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
Apparently Nick and Noah are not familiar with Kant's transcendental consciousness, or Hegel's Idealism. YMMV.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Reno Descartes (1596u1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenAt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >>>> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >>>> (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a >>> state of flux. You canAt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western
Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism
and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I
am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenAt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN >philosophy. ThatAs where we began to go wrong.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/1/2026 8:35 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Reno Descartes (1596u1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenAt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all
things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>>>>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing >>>>>> nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>>>>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>>>>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a
state of flux. You canAt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western >>>> Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism >>>> and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I >>>> am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenAt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN
philosophy. ThatAs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
Apparently Nick and Noah are not familiar with Kant's transcendental
consciousness, or Hegel's Idealism. YMMV.
If they arenAt familiar with Kant or Hegel, they are amongst the majority
of the pop. No biggy. Even philosophy students have trouble understanding >Kant.
On 7/1/2026 8:58 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 01:24:52 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:The problem, for Descartes, is dualism and how to explain it.
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of >>>>>>> antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all >>> things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing
nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas >>> (steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the
beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
States of Matter: Thales observed water naturally cycling through liquid, >>> from solid (ice), and gas (steam or vapor). This led him to deduce that all >>> substances are simply altered forms of one underlying fluid.
Understanding the context of the times and what people actually knew
then, that is a remarkable deduction. Smart guy. It is not necessary
to be strictly correct, or to come up with the final analysis as a
first approximation.
Doing the best you can with what you have is worth something.
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/1/2026 8:35 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all
things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is >>>>>> water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing >>>>>> nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So, >>>>>> the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would >>>>>> follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a
state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western >>>> Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism >>>> and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I >>>> am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenrCOt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN
philosophy. ThatrCOs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
Apparently Nick and Noah are not familiar with Kant's transcendental
consciousness, or Hegel's Idealism. YMMV.
If they arenrCOt familiar with Kant or Hegel, they are amongst the majority of the pop. No biggy. Even philosophy students have trouble understanding Kant.
On 7/2/2026 2:51 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:They should have subscribed to this board - the "mind only" school as
On 7/1/2026 8:35 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624-u548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all
things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is
water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing >>>>>>> nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>>>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would
follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a
state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western >>>>> Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism >>>>> and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I >>>>> am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenrCOt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN >>>> philosophy. ThatrCOs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
Apparently Nick and Noah are not familiar with Kant's transcendental
consciousness, or Hegel's Idealism. YMMV.
If they arenrCOt familiar with Kant or Hegel, they are amongst the majority >> of the pop. No biggy. Even philosophy students have trouble understanding
Kant.
the foundation of Zen Buddhism was discussed in detail here.
Neuroscience and Consciousness - Tang Huyen
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/c/yOwnOsqt3tY/m/hGYgvRvi3ssJ
On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 21:51:02 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/1/2026 8:35 PM, Tara wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:before the Copernican Revolution in philosophy by Hume and Kant.
On 7/1/2026 6:49 PM, Tara wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:Ren|- Descartes (1596rCo1650) was a pioneering French philosopher,
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Some ancient history -
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/30/2026 8:15 PM, Dude wrote:
Enjoy the ride.Thales of Miletus (c. 624?548 BCE) is considered the first scientist of
antiquity for attempting to explain natural phenomena without relying on
mythology.
Everything is Water.
Life is *mostly* water.
- Thales
Well, the pre-Socratics werenrCOt much into qualifying.
Thales was the first to claim a One underlying principle and source of all
things. Everything is an altered form of this one thing, a fluid that is
water. He deduced this using reason instead of myth. And by observing >>>>>>> nature, (science) he saw moisture in all forms - from solid (ice) to gas
(steam), seeds..and that all living things need moisture to survive. So,
the underlying nature of everything is one element- water.
This was radical critical thinking and was according to Aristotle, the >>>>>>> beginning of philosophy. Thales gave life and licence to those who would
follow him. A new way of thinking.
And after Thales came another pre-Socratic- Heraklitus. Everything is in a
state of flux. You canrCOt step in the same river twice.
mathematician, and scientist. Often called the "Father of Modern Western >>>>> Philosophy," he shifted human inquiry away from religious scholasticism >>>>> and toward reason, observation, and mathematics.
He is most famous for the philosophical statement: "I think, therefore I >>>>> am" (originally in Latin: "Cogito, ergo sum")
Pretty sure most everyone is aware of Descartes and his dictum. I
elaborated about Thales because I think many arenrCOt aware of him.
Assuming they would want to be, that is. ha
Cartesian dualism! What a crock. Descartes - So called Father of MODERN >>>> philosophy. ThatrCOs where we began to go wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure Nick and Noah don't understand Descartes. He came
Apparently Nick and Noah are not familiar with Kant's transcendental
consciousness, or Hegel's Idealism. YMMV.
If they arenrCOt familiar with Kant or Hegel, they are amongst the majority >> of the pop. No biggy. Even philosophy students have trouble understanding
Kant.
That's easy, right dude? Kant is simple, you got him figured out,
right?
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