So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs >paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the >testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who >appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o
he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those >Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers, >ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety
u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors, >artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a >crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs
unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the >harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons--
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs >> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on
both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what
our side did so we don't encourage their side?
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's
don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape >> of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the >> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY >> he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers, >> ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand >> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety >> rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline, >> with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs
unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the >> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers, ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline, with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors, artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers, ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline, with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors, artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas
incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars onPerhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of >addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what
our side did so we don't encourage their side?
oThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy,
carried out with exceptional cruelty,o said commission founder Dr.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre u >including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families u and in
the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday >concluded.
HamasA behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts
of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: aYou hear the screamsA
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
--The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's
don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>> pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o
he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers, >>> ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety >>> u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs
unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the >>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o
he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers,
ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety
u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs
unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if thereAs a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >horrendous orealo rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who >are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 -u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report -u America-As >>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>> pro-Israel group as -opigs-o. Headlined -oThe Silence That Meets the Rape >>> of Palestinians-o -u you see what they did there? -u it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan -ofreelance journalist-o who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. -oI did not validate these claims,-o >>> he wrote in a statement. -oI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.-o So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but can-At the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof-As
piece to suggest Israel shouldn-At have the right to exist?
-oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>> be better than the rest,-o wrote one of modern Israel-As founding fathers, >>> Ze-Aev Jabotinsky. -oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.-o >>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame -u some might say notoriety >>> -u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as -aevidence-A of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. -oThey Were Just Children,-o ran the emotive headline, >>> with the story itself informing us that -othey had wanted to be doctors, >>> artists and leaders-o. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I-Am not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. -oWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,-o she said. -oYou should not trust something that-As
unworthy of your trust.-o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBC-As ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don-At see the >>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there-As a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >> horrendous -oreal-o rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who >> are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>> Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas
incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on
both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what
our side did so we don't encourage their side?
addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
rCLThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy,
carried out with exceptional cruelty,rCY said commission founder Dr.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre rCo
including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families rCo and in
the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday
concluded.
HamasrCO behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts >> of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: rCyYou hear the screamsrCO
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's
don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>> pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the >>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who >>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>> the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY
he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those >>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs >>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>> be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY >>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety >>>> rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>> of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors, >>>> artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a >>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs >>>> unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the >>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs >>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>> pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the >>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who >>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY >>> he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs >>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>> be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY >>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety >>> rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline, >>> with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors, >>> artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a >>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs >>> unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the >>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if thererCOs a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >> horrendous rCLrealrCY rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who >> are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>> Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs >>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas
incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on
both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what
our side did so we don't encourage their side?
addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
oThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy,
carried out with exceptional cruelty,o said commission founder Dr.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
--according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre u
including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families u and in
the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday >>> concluded.
HamasA behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts >>> of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: aYou hear the screamsA
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's
don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>> pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>> of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the >>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who >>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o >>>>> he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those >>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs >>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>> be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers, >>>>> ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o >>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety >>>>> u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>> page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>> of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline, >>>>> with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors, >>>>> artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a >>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs
unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>> loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the >>>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>> pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers, >>>> Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety >>>> ? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s
unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the >>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >>> horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who >>> are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >>> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That >should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will >claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do >now, eh.
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
On 5/15/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>> Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs >>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>> pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape >>>> of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid,
that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>> the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o >>>> he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs >>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>> be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers, >>>> ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o >>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural
proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan
photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety >>>> u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>> of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline, >>>> with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors, >>>> artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a >>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs
unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so
enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the >>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if thereAs a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >>> horrendous orealo rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who >>> are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >>> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Not sure if it's a numbers game.
Until all the Hamas terrorist are eliminated and stop killing civilians
and torturing civilians, the destruction will probably continue.
That being said, Hamas has killed approximately 1,200 people, the vast >majority of whom were civilians, during their attack on southern Israel
on October 7, 2023.
The killers must be punished and brought to justice. That's the bottom line.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:51:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
wrote:
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>> Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas >>>>> incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of >>>> addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on
both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what
our side did so we don't encourage their side?
rCLThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy,
carried out with exceptional cruelty,rCY said commission founder Dr.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
I don't see any women. What I see is a written document. Is it
credible?
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre rCo >>>> including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families rCo and in >>>> the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday >>>> concluded.
HamasrCO behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts >>>> of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: rCyYou hear the screamsrCO
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's >>>>> don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>>> pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY
he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those >>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>> force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs >>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety
rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>> page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>> of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a >>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>> trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs >>>>>> unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>> loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>> pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers, >>>>> Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety >>>>> ? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s
unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the >>>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the >>>> horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >>>> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That >> should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their opinion pieces.
On 5/15/2026 1:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:51:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, you don't keep up with the news. Why not?
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas >>>>>> incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of >>>>> addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on >>>>>> both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what >>>>>> our side did so we don't encourage their side?
oThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy,
carried out with exceptional cruelty,o said commission founder Dr.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
I don't see any women. What I see is a written document. Is it
credible?
You've got a TV set upstairs, right? And you've apparently got an
internet connection. So, what's the problem?
You probably don't get out much, but this is incredulous:
Log onto an online news discussion group with no news to report, even
from the New York Times. And, you pay $100 a year for a subscription.
You can't even make stuff up anymore!
--
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre u >>>>> including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families u and in >>>>> the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday >>>>> concluded.
HamasA behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts >>>>> of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: aYou hear the screamsA
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's >>>>>> don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers,
ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety
u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>>> pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers, >>>>>> Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety >>>>>> ? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the >>>>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>>>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That >>> should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>>> pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers, >>>>>> Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety >>>>>> ? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the >>>>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>>>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That >>> should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didnAt read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 20:40:25 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
Rule number 27 for dealing with propaganda: don't accept what one
news source accuses some other news sorce of saying. If you have a
nyt url please provide that.
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didnAt read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 21:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit? >>>>>
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your >>>> only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their >>>> opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didn-At read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didn-At read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
If I have read enough of something to know that it is propaganda, I
should be allowed to say that and why, without being required to read
the whole objectionable piece.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:Not allowed? Classic.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 21:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>>>
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit? >>>>>>
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s
piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your >>>>> only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get >>>>> you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim storiesJake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their >>>>> opinion pieces.
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy. >>>>>
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>>> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didn?t read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didn?t read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
If I have read enough of something to know that it is propaganda, I
should be allowed to say that and why, without being required to read
the whole objectionable piece.
Classic
On Fri, 15 May 2026 13:32:37 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/15/2026 1:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:51:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently, you don't keep up with the news. Why not?
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas >>>>>>> incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy. >>>>>>>
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of >>>>>> addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on >>>>>>> both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what >>>>>>> our side did so we don't encourage their side?
rCLThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy, >>>>>> carried out with exceptional cruelty,rCY said commission founder Dr. >>>>>> Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
I don't see any women. What I see is a written document. Is it
credible?
You've got a TV set upstairs, right? And you've apparently got an
internet connection. So, what's the problem?
You probably don't get out much, but this is incredulous:
Log onto an online news discussion group with no news to report, even
from the New York Times. And, you pay $100 a year for a subscription.
I don't doubt that bad things happen in the world. Is the document
presented here credible? Or is slanted?
You can't even make stuff up anymore!
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre rCo
including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families rCo and in >>>>>> the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday >>>>>> concluded.
HamasrCO behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts
of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture
campaign, probe finds: rCyYou hear the screamsrCO
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's >>>>>>> don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY
he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those >>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>> force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety
rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>>> of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>> trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs
unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
On 5/15/2026 1:52 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 13:32:37 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:You have not posted either side, or even a defense of the NY Times.
On 5/15/2026 1:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:51:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>Apparently, you don't keep up with the news. Why not?
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 u the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report u AmericaAs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas >>>>>>>> incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy. >>>>>>>>
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of >>>>>>> addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on >>>>>>>> both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what >>>>>>>> our side did so we don't encourage their side?
oThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy, >>>>>>> carried out with exceptional cruelty,o said commission founder Dr. >>>>>>> Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a
propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
I don't see any women. What I see is a written document. Is it
credible?
You've got a TV set upstairs, right? And you've apparently got an
internet connection. So, what's the problem?
You probably don't get out much, but this is incredulous:
Log onto an online news discussion group with no news to report, even >>>from the New York Times. And, you pay $100 a year for a subscription.
I don't doubt that bad things happen in the world. Is the document
presented here credible? Or is slanted?
When organizations like Human Rights Watch documented widespread war
crimes and crimes against humanity by Palestinian armed groups, Hamas >officially condemned the publications.
Conversely, Hamas frequently welcomed reports by UN bodies that
investigated and condemned Israeli military actions in Gaza.
--You can't even make stuff up anymore!
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre u >>>>>>> including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families u and in >>>>>>> the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday
concluded.
HamasA behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts
of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture >>>>>>> campaign, probe finds: aYou hear the screamsA
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's >>>>>>>> don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as opigso. Headlined oThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinianso u you see what they did there? u it relied upon the >>>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ofreelance journalisto who >>>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. oI did not validate these claims,o
he wrote in a statement. oI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.o So much for those >>>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>>> force of the law, but canAt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofAs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnAt have the right to exist?
oWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,o wrote one of modern IsraelAs founding fathers,
ZeAev Jabotinsky. oAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.o
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame u some might say notoriety
u for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as aevidenceA of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. oThey Were Just Children,o ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that othey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaderso. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IAm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. oWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>>> trustworthiness,o she said. oYou should not trust something thatAs >>>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.o
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBCAs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donAt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didnrCOt read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 21:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>>>
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit? >>>>>>
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s
piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your >>>>> only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get >>>>> you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim storiesJake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their >>>>> opinion pieces.
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy. >>>>>
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>>> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didn-At read what Jake said. Figures
So, you didn-At read the article posted but you commented on it anyway.
I keep forgetting your M O.
If I have read enough of something to know that it is propaganda, I
should be allowed to say that and why, without being required to read
the whole objectionable piece.
Classic
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:58:49 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/15/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>Not sure if it's a numbers game.
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>> Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were >>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>> pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who >>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations
against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as
confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY
he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those >>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of
credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian
detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full
force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs >>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist?
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>> be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY >>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration,
hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety
rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>> page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>> of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors, >>>>> artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the
Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a
rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in
contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a >>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of
trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs >>>>> unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>> loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if thererCOs a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous rCLrealrCY rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of >>>> the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Until all the Hamas terrorist are eliminated and stop killing civilians
and torturing civilians, the destruction will probably continue.
To our universal utter shame.
That being said, Hamas has killed approximately 1,200 people, the vast
majority of whom were civilians, during their attack on southern Israel
on October 7, 2023.
The killers must be punished and brought to justice. That's the bottom line.
At what time has that been accomplished? 72,000 dead? Unlimited
number dead?
On Fri, 15 May 2026 15:45:47 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/15/2026 1:52 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 13:32:37 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:You have not posted either side, or even a defense of the NY Times.
On 5/15/2026 1:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:51:19 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Apparently, you don't keep up with the news. Why not?
On 5/15/2026 11:35 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 09:47:34 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>Apparently, you have not read the report. Believe the women!
On 5/15/2026 7:56 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 14:58:12 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:Don't give Hamas any new ideas.
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 rCo the sexual depravities of which were
revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report rCo AmericarCOs
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
So sexual depravities should be ignored if reporting them gives hamas >>>>>>>>> incentive to persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy. >>>>>>>>>
Perhaps you're attempting again to go off topic with excuses instead of
Perhaps we should also forget that all wars are propaganda wars on >>>>>>>>> both sides. Is this piece part of the propaganda war? Forget what >>>>>>>>> our side did so we don't encourage their side?
addressing the issue at hand: the Commission Report.
rCLThe report reveals that sexual violence was a deliberate strategy, >>>>>>>> carried out with exceptional cruelty,rCY said commission founder Dr. >>>>>>>> Cochav Elkayam-Levy." - Alex Oliveira
The report is not of value because it is issued by one side of a >>>>>>> propaganda war. And it does not tell both sides.
I don't see any women. What I see is a written document. Is it
credible?
You've got a TV set upstairs, right? And you've apparently got an
internet connection. So, what's the problem?
You probably don't get out much, but this is incredulous:
Log onto an online news discussion group with no news to report, even
from the New York Times. And, you pay $100 a year for a subscription.
I don't doubt that bad things happen in the world. Is the document
presented here credible? Or is slanted?
When organizations like Human Rights Watch documented widespread war
crimes and crimes against humanity by Palestinian armed groups, Hamas
officially condemned the publications.
Conversely, Hamas frequently welcomed reports by UN bodies that
investigated and condemned Israeli military actions in Gaza.
Sure. So don't listen to either. Both sides have been accused and
indicted for war crimes. Any source that omits one side or the other
is suspect.
You can't even make stuff up anymore!
according to i24 News:
"Hamas waged a widespread campaign of rape during the Oct. 7 massacre rCo
including sexual torture designed to destroy entire families rCo and in
the months following, a horrific two-year investigation released Tuesday
concluded.
HamasrCO behavior constituted war crimes, crimes against humanity and acts
of genocide, the commission found.
California Post:
Hamas forced sex between family members as part of Oct. 7 torture >>>>>>>> campaign, probe finds: rCyYou hear the screamsrCO
May 12, 2026, 3:00 p.m. PT
https://tinyurl.com/s333e7zj
The ethical ponderances are on an elephantine scale, I'm sure. Let's >>>>>>>>> don't think about it.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as rCLpigsrCY. Headlined rCLThe Silence That Meets the Rape
of PalestiniansrCY rCo you see what they did there? rCo it relied upon the
testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan rCLfreelance journalistrCY who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. rCLI did not validate these claims,rCY
he wrote in a statement. rCLI have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.rCY So much for those
Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>>>> force of the law, but canrCOt the Jewish state be allowed to have its
villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on KristofrCOs
piece to suggest Israel shouldnrCOt have the right to exist? >>>>>>>>>>
rCLWe are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,rCY wrote one of modern IsraelrCOs founding fathers,
ZerCOev Jabotinsky. rCLAs one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.rCY
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame rCo some might say notoriety
rCo for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front
page of the New York Times as rCyevidencerCO of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. rCLThey Were Just Children,rCY ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that rCLthey had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leadersrCY. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
IrCOm not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. rCLWe are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>>>> trustworthiness,rCY she said. rCLYou should not trust something thatrCOs
unworthy of your trust.rCY
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to
loathe.
With the BBCrCOs ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they donrCOt see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
The liberal Jews hate Netanyahu more than they love Israel.
On 5/15/2026 5:14 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
The liberal Jews hate Netanyahu more than they love Israel.Liberals criticize Netanyahu for, among other things, abandoning the
pursuit of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist >>>>>> Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a >>>>>> pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various
anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable
sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations.
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape >>>>>> Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew >>>>>> of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just >>>>>> look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers, >>>>>> Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand >>>>>> the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety >>>>>> ? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the
children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading.
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist >>>>>> Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an >>>>>> information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is >>>>>> equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the >>>>>> internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the >>>>>> harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th. >>>>> Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That >>> should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s >>>>>>> paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to >>>>>>> persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,? >>>>>>> he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure, >>>>>>> Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to >>>>>>> be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.? >>>>>>>
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with >>>>>>> Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline, >>>>>>> with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors, >>>>>>> artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather, >>>>>>> this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you >>>> stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their
opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
On 5/15/26 6:19 PM, Dude wrote:
On 5/15/2026 5:14 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
The liberal Jews hate Netanyahu more than they love Israel.Liberals criticize Netanyahu for, among other things, abandoning the
pursuit of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
zionists aren't interested in a two state solution.
hence the constantly encroachment and genocide
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st>
wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit?
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you
ask me.
Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ?
America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most
grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the
incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning
journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post
describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the >>>>>>> Rape
of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? >>>>>>> who
appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs >>>>>>> to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently >>>>>>> than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about >>>>>>> canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only
accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert
accused
the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these
claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these
claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote >>>>>>> after
pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological
pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in
wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on
Kristof?s
piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any
intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding >>>>>>> fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we >>>>>>> demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have >>>>>>> them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world
desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of >>>>>>> it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that
ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say
notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was
emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the >>>>>>> front
page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza.
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a
montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the >>>>>>> centre
of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive
headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be
doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the
pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a >>>>>>> Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. >>>>>>> Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American
journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not
facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New >>>>>>> York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the
pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know >>>>>>> that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing
worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West >>>>>>> of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder
outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in >>>>>>> other
words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most
affects to
loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times
surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t >>>>>>> see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then?
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone
remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on
oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The
14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a
result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
Even one death in war is too many.-a So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then
would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land,
right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do,
they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you.-a What
ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you.-a Your
only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them.-a Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth.-a However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth.-a What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim
stories
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt?-a I have not heard of him.-a I get all of their >>> opinion pieces.
-a Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim
stories
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt?-a I have not heard of him.-a I get all of their >>> opinion pieces.
-a Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
On 5/16/2026 5:28 AM, Julian wrote:
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim
stories
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt?-a I have not heard of him.-a I get all of their >>>> opinion pieces.
-a Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the
article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
He automatically objects to nearly every post you and I make, regardless.
On 5/16/2026 5:28 AM, Julian wrote:
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim
stories
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt?a I have not heard of him.a I get all of their >>>> opinion pieces.
a Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
He automatically objects to nearly every post you and I make, regardless.
On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:28:03 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote: >>>>>
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>>
wrote:
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit? >>>>>
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me. >>>>>>>> Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape >>>>>>>> of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than >>>>>>>> the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine >>>>>>>> penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused >>>>>>>> the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims, >>>>>>>> as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s >>>>>>>> piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A >>>>>>>> measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due >>>>>>>> to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of >>>>>>>> 64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre >>>>>>>> of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures >>>>>>>> was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas >>>>>>>> commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a >>>>>>>> crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York >>>>>>>> Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that >>>>>>>> these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage >>>>>>>> for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on >>>>>>>> the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your >>>> only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get
you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim stories >>>>> printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy.
Jake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their >>>> opinion pieces.
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
Lie.
On 16/05/2026 17:44, Wilson wrote:
On 5/16/2026 5:28 AM, Julian wrote:
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim >>>>>> storiesJake writes for the nyt?-a I have not heard of him.-a I get all of their >>>>> opinion pieces.
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy. >>>>>
-a Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the
article
that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnrCOt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
He automatically objects to nearly every post you and I make, regardless.
It's a public service to distract him from the meat world.
I should be nominated for an MBE minimum. I don't know if
the USA has a similar gong for you.
On 5/16/2026 5:19 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2026 10:28:03 +0100, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 15/05/2026 21:40, Tara wrote:
Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 19:28:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca>
wrote:
On May 15, 2026 at 2:37:44?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <fedora@fea.st> wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2026 17:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Tara <tsm@fastmail.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:Even one death in war is too many. So, don't be the one to kill first. >>>>>>
Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote:Is 72000 palestinian deaths sufficient or should there be no limit? >>>>>>
So Israel is suing the New York Times. Not before time, if you ask me.
Particularly since October 7 ? the sexual depravities of which were >>>>>>>>> revealed this week in a stomach-churning independent report ? America?s
paper of record has preoccupied itself with magnifying the most >>>>>>>>> grotesque stories about the Jewish state, giving Hamas the incentive to
persevere in their bloodthirsty propaganda strategy.
This week, it was a column by two-time Pulitzer prize winning journalist
Nick Kristof, who in the distant past once retweeted a post describing a
pro-Israel group as ?pigs?. Headlined ?The Silence That Meets the Rape
of Palestinians? ? you see what they did there? ? it relied upon the >>>>>>>>> testimony of an NGO with well-documented links to Hamas, various >>>>>>>>> anonymous sources and Sami al-Sai, a Gazan ?freelance journalist? who >>>>>>>>> appears to have shifted his story. In spite of these questionable >>>>>>>>> sources, Kristof and the New York Times stand by the allegations. >>>>>>>>>
Upon this foundation it wove a tissue of the obscenest allegations >>>>>>>>> against Israel, culminating in a claim as ludicrous as it was lurid, >>>>>>>>> that IDF (Israel Defense Forces) personnel managed to train dogs to rape
Palestinian prisoners. (Few things have been more tragic recently than
the sight of beleaguered Jews making zoological arguments about canine
penises online. As the old saying goes, an antisemite only accuses a Jew
of theft to watch him turn out his pockets.)
In the column, Kristof quoted former Israeli leader Ehud Olmert as >>>>>>>>> confirming the allegations. After publication, however, Olmert accused
the title of distorting his remarks. ?I did not validate these claims,?
he wrote in a statement. ?I have no knowledge supporting these claims,
as I said to Mr Kristof. Therefore, the positioning of my quote after >>>>>>>>> pages of such allegations misrepresents my views.? So much for those >>>>>>>>> Pulitzer prizes, huh.
The genius of the shtick is that at its heart there was a grain of >>>>>>>>> credibility. There has indeed been some maltreatment of Palestinian >>>>>>>>> detainees. As a real-life country under immense psychological pressure,
Israel has behaved as any other real-life country would in wartime. Just
look at our own history. Obviously, these people must face the full >>>>>>>>> force of the law, but can?t the Jewish state be allowed to have its >>>>>>>>> villains, like every other nation, without others leaping on Kristof?s
piece to suggest Israel shouldn?t have the right to exist?
?We are a people as all other peoples; we do not have any intentions to
be better than the rest,? wrote one of modern Israel?s founding fathers,
Ze?ev Jabotinsky. ?As one of the first conditions for equality we demand
the right to have our own villains, exactly as other people have them.?
Yet as with antisemites of yore, the Israelophobes of the world >>>>>>>>> desperately need Israel to be demonic to justify their hatred of it. A
measure of detainee abuse is not enough: it must assume supernatural >>>>>>>>> proportions. There follows, therefore, a campaign of exaggeration, >>>>>>>>> hysteria and, taken to an extreme, downright fabrication that ends with
Jews eating babies while preening their horns and tails.
Speaking of Pulitzer prizes, this month one was awarded to the Gazan >>>>>>>>> photographer Saher Alghorra. He achieved fame ? some might say notoriety
? for his portrait of young Mohammed al-Mutawaq, who was emaciated due
to cerebral palsy and hypoxemia. The picture was printed on the front >>>>>>>>> page of the New York Times as ?evidence? of starvation in Gaza. >>>>>>>>>
Other examples abound. On one occasion, the paper printed a montage of
64 Palestinian minors said to have been killed by Israel in the centre
of its front page. ?They Were Just Children,? ran the emotive headline,
with the story itself informing us that ?they had wanted to be doctors,
artists and leaders?. It subsequently emerged that one of the pictures
was a fake lifted from X, another was a terrorist representing the >>>>>>>>> Al-Mujahedeen Brigades, and a third was the 15-year-old son of a Hamas
commander who had been pictured in military fatigues brandishing a >>>>>>>>> rifle. Moreover, there were suggestions that at least ten of the >>>>>>>>> children may have been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
I?m not holding up these examples to make some political point. Rather,
this article is intended as a lament to the degradation of truth in >>>>>>>>> contemporary society, and a warning about where this is heading. >>>>>>>>>
When I interviewed her on my podcast, The Brink, the American journalist
Bari Weiss made the point with exceptional power. ?We are not facing a
crisis of trust in the mainstream media. We are facing a crisis of >>>>>>>>> trustworthiness,? she said. ?You should not trust something that?s >>>>>>>>> unworthy of your trust.?
The complacency with which mainstream media outlets, from the New York
Times to the BBC, are squandering their credibility in the pursuit of an
information war on Israel is breathtaking. Of course, we all know that
these people operate under the assumption that the leftwing worldview is
equivalent to objective reality. But this?
The effect is to drive disillusioned audiences into the Wild West of the
internet, where hucksters pose as experts, shock jocks launder outrage
for clicks and conspiracy theory is big business for the likes of >>>>>>>>> Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson and others. The liberal media, in other >>>>>>>>> words, is providing the oxygen for the very people it most affects to >>>>>>>>> loathe.
With the BBC?s ratings in freefall and the New York Times surviving on
the strength of Wordle, sport and features, these journalists are so >>>>>>>>> enraptured with their own ideological reflection that they don?t see the
harm they are doing to truth. And when that is lost, what then? >>>>>>>>>
Jake Wallis Simons
Even if there?s a smidgen of truth in the claims, does anyone remember the
horrendous ?real? rape, torture and killing of innocent women on oct 7th.
Not to mention the subsequent deaths of many hostages taken. The 14 men who
are claiming abuse were in custody perhaps not directly but as a result of
the attack and carnage of and on oct 7th.
I know that you, as you always state, don't take sides. How then would you
stop them from doing it again? Oh, I know, give them your land, right. That
should do it. But maybe that's not enough - maybe they want more.
Even so, better to not re-build and suceed again because if you do, they will
claim 'oppressed' and hate you even more. And maybe kill you. What ever to do
now, eh.
My position is that you cannot kill all the people who hate you. Your >>>>> only barely possible alternative is to try to be nice, treat them
well, don't exploit them. Not that it will get you visible results
soon after centuries of conflict, killing back and forth. However,
what you know is that continuing killing back and forth will only get >>>>> you more centuries of killing back and forth. What do you want?
One thing that will happen is the world will support their victim storiesJake writes for the nyt? I have not heard of him. I get all of their >>>>> opinion pieces.
printed in the NYT. Because you are always and forever, the bad guy. >>>>>
Nick Kristof wrote the NYT article. Jake Simons wrote about the article >>>> that Kristof wrote in the Times. Cripes!
I assume then that you didnAt read what Jake said. Figures
He automatically objects to each and every post
that is even remotely critical of anti-semitism.
Lie.
So, that's why Julian doesn't engage Noah.
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