On Sun, 10 May 2026 10:44:56 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 7:23 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2026 23:13:24 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)Refuse to address. We only address when it is too late, and we can
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This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic Meridional >>>> Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current that keeps
Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its weakest point in >>>> 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are entering the early stages >>>> of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a loop >>>> that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using
high-resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted 53 >>>> km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons in >>>> West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply for >>>> over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>
say, there was nothing to do, it was going to happen regardless.
this is going to wipe out entire ecosystems in europe within years.
eurocucks have no idea their climates are entirely dependent on the amoc
to shuttle tropical heat up,
and florida will finally drown. with amoc not shuttling heat away from
the tropics ... it's just gunna sit in the tropics making hurricanes
much stronger
i can't wait! ???
I belive it.
As always, do nothing.
- geminiGPT
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ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
On 5/10/26 11:00 AM, Dude wrote:
On 5/9/2026 11:13 PM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)The sky is falling!
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This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating
a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
off topic response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
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This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are entering the early stages
of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a loop
that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift of
the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
On 5/10/26 11:00 AM, Dude wrote:
On 5/9/2026 11:13 PM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)The sky is falling!
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating
a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
watch the video dud:
an amoc collapse would be abrupt climate change for europe such that the
uk would look far more like siberia within the order of a decade, or
less quite frankly
this won't be total destruction for the species even if it destroys the immediate food supply for 100s of millions, and threatens the immediate
food supply for billions... we overproduce calories by quite a lot at
the moment we'll just have to run a bit leaner for a while. more chicken less beef kinda thing
i guess that's a decent reason to have a billionaire's bunker eh???
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
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This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even higher, reaching re+500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
On 5/10/2026 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:The rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. I'll start to believe
global warming is a crises, when Al Gore starts acting like it's a crises.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 15:34:43 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/10/2026 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:The rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even >>> higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. I'll start to believe
global warming is a crises, when Al Gore starts acting like it's a crises.
Admit it, you will do nothing ever regardless.
On 5/10/26 7:23 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2026 23:13:24 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic Meridional >>> Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current that keeps
Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its weakest point in
1,600 years, and new research confirms we are entering the early stages
of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a loop
that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using
high-resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted 53
km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons in >>> West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply for >>> over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
Refuse to address.-a We only address when it is too late, and we can
say, there was nothing to do, it was going to happen regardless.
this is going to wipe out entire ecosystems in europe within years. eurocucks have no idea their climates are entirely dependent on the amoc
to shuttle tropical heat up,
and florida will finally drown. with amoc not shuttling heat away from
the tropics ... it's just gunna sit in the tropics making hurricanes
much stronger
i can't wait! EfN|EfN|EfN|
As always, do nothing.
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
On 5/10/2026 3:58 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 15:34:43 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/10/2026 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:The rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were even >>>> higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. I'll start to believe
global warming is a crises, when Al Gore starts acting like it's a crises. >>
Admit it, you will do nothing ever regardless.
I'll start to believe global warming is a crises, when Nick starts
acting like it's a crises. Do nothing, because he doesn't care. All Nick >wants is for me to stop breathing so he can get my property. He said so.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 17:57:44 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/10/2026 3:58 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 15:34:43 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:I'll start to believe global warming is a crises, when Nick starts
On 5/10/2026 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:The rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>>>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air >>>>> temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. I'll start to believe
global warming is a crises, when Al Gore starts acting like it's a crises. >>>
Admit it, you will do nothing ever regardless.
acting like it's a crises. Do nothing, because he doesn't care. All Nick
wants is for me to stop breathing so he can get my property. He said so.
The state of dart's wisdom has nothing to do with global warming.
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even higher, reaching re+500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even >>> higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction? Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations. Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity. When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow? Nope. Not even in your lifetime. Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved--
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson? Or people like you.
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating
a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt
of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching re+500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107
Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain something close to the 20th century status quo
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107
Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air >>>>
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.a When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?a Nope.a Not even in your lifetime.a Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain
something close to the 20th century status quo
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that >expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating
a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt
of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a >shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even >>> higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction? Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations. Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity. When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow? Nope. Not even in your lifetime. Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson? Or people like you.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:55:01 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air >>>>>
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest >>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which >>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>> something close to the 20th century status quo
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that
expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
Wind power, solar power. Something that does not involve eons of
other kinds of pollution. But that isn't what you meant, right
Wilson?
You have reduced all environmental impacts to one: co2. Nah, that is
simply one little part of the problem. It does help you ignore the
others if you can focus on that though.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:50:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating >>>>> a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt
of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted
overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
And so wilson presumes to dismiss all science he does not agree with,
which is mostly all of it.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
See, here is another example of wilson spouting pure bs from his
preferred sources, which he knows better than to mention.
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107
Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain something close to the 20th century status quo
ur right that wilson prolly won't be here to see that undeniable fruition
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson?-a Or people like you.
On 5/12/2026 7:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:55:01 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>>> lot slower than today
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air >>>>>>
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.a When you replace a forest >>>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?a Nope.a Not even in your lifetime.a Which >>>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>>> something close to the 20th century status quo
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that
expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
Wind power, solar power. Something that does not involve eons of
other kinds of pollution. But that isn't what you meant, right
Wilson?
You have reduced all environmental impacts to one: co2. Nah, that is
simply one little part of the problem. It does help you ignore the
others if you can focus on that though.
The question is, when are you going to shut off your furnace?
On 5/12/2026 12:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Listen up cracker - you're running a heat pump 24 x 7 up in your
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107
Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air >>>>
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.a When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?a Nope.a Not even in your lifetime.a Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain
something close to the 20th century status quo
ur right that wilson prolly won't be here to see that undeniable fruition
apartment. It's not about Wilson, it about you, Nick.
--you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson?a Or people like you.
On 5/12/2026 7:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:50:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating >>>>>> a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
And so wilson presumes to dismiss all science he does not agree with,
which is mostly all of it.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water tempsSee, here is another example of wilson spouting pure bs from his
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>
preferred sources, which he knows better than to mention.
Do you have any peer-reviewed papers you can post that prove Wilson is >wrong? Thanks.
Let's not make it personal. Nick already sad you boomers caused all the >problems. Take a little responsibility.--
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:34:32 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/12/2026 7:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:55:01 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The question is, when are you going to shut off your furnace?
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>>>> something close to the 20th century status quo
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic >>>>>>>>> Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>>>> lot slower than today
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air >>>>>>>
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than >>>>>> evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like >>>>>> habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest >>>>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the >>>>>> diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which >>>>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then >>>>>
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that >>>> expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
Wind power, solar power. Something that does not involve eons of
other kinds of pollution. But that isn't what you meant, right
Wilson?
You have reduced all environmental impacts to one: co2. Nah, that is
simply one little part of the problem. It does help you ignore the
others if you can focus on that though.
I suggest you tend to your own furnace.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:42:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/12/2026 12:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Listen up cracker - you're running a heat pump 24 x 7 up in your
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air >>>>>
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest >>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which >>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be
so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>> something close to the 20th century status quo
ur right that wilson prolly won't be here to see that undeniable fruition >>>
apartment. It's not about Wilson, it about you, Nick.
What the fuck do you know about dart's heat pump?
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson?-a Or people like you.
On 5/12/2026 9:46 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:34:32 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/12/2026 7:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:55:01 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The question is, when are you going to shut off your furnace?
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>>>>> something close to the 20th century status quo
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:bruh that article is literally titled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic >>>>>>>>>> Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system. >>>>>>>>>>
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract >>>>>>>>
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air >>>>>>>>
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?a Because conditions are changing faster than >>>>>>> evolution can provide necessary adaptations.a Not that things like >>>>>>> habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.a When you replace a forest >>>>>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the >>>>>>> diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?a Nope.a Not even in your lifetime.a Which >>>>>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing. >>>>>>>
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to >>>>>>> happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then >>>>>>
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that >>>>> expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
Wind power, solar power. Something that does not involve eons of
other kinds of pollution. But that isn't what you meant, right
Wilson?
You have reduced all environmental impacts to one: co2. Nah, that is >>>> simply one little part of the problem. It does help you ignore the
others if you can focus on that though.
I suggest you tend to your own furnace.
I suggest you tend to your own climate and stop blaming Wilson for your >polution down in Hamilton. Thanks.
On 5/12/2026 9:49 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:42:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's been hot as hell here for at least a million years, Cracker.
On 5/12/2026 12:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Listen up cracker - you're running a heat pump 24 x 7 up in your
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>>>>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>>>>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>>>>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food supply >>>>>>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200 >>>>>>> to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>>> lot slower than today
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during >>>>>>> a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and >>>>>>> other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12#C in air >>>>>>
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?a Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations.a Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.a When you replace a forest >>>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?a Nope.a Not even in your lifetime.a Which >>>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>>> something close to the 20th century status quo
ur right that wilson prolly won't be here to see that undeniable fruition >>>>
apartment. It's not about Wilson, it about you, Nick.
What the fuck do you know about dart's heat pump?
--
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved >>>>> itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson?a Or people like you.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a >>>> 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a
loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt >>>> content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process,
weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We >>>> are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply >>>> for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of >>> ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were even >>> higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times
greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction? Because conditions are changing faster than
evolution can provide necessary adaptations. Not that things like
habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to surviveenvironmental changes is species diversity. When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the
diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow? Nope. Not even in your lifetime. Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved
itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson? Or people like you.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:53:03 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/12/2026 9:46 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:34:32 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:I suggest you tend to your own climate and stop blaming Wilson for your
On 5/12/2026 7:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:55:01 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>The question is, when are you going to shut off your furnace?
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 3:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>>>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:bruh that article is literally titled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic >>>>>>>>>>> Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current
that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system. >>>>>>>>>>>
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports
tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns
salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second >>>>>>>>>>>
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift
of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted
53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions. >>>>>>>>>>>
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving,
existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones >>>>>>>>>>> (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets >>>>>>>>>>
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract >>>>>>>>>
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>>>>> century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were
even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than >>>>>>>> evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like >>>>>>>> habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest
with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the >>>>>>>> diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which
means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing. >>>>>>>>
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to >>>>>>>> happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then >>>>>>>
something close to the 20th century status quo
Building more power generation that doesn't release CO2 is not all that >>>>>> expensive and is something that we're starting to do now.
Wind power, solar power. Something that does not involve eons of
other kinds of pollution. But that isn't what you meant, right
Wilson?
You have reduced all environmental impacts to one: co2. Nah, that is >>>>> simply one little part of the problem. It does help you ignore the
others if you can focus on that though.
I suggest you tend to your own furnace.
polution down in Hamilton. Thanks.
I don't think I accused wilson of being personally responsible for any pollution anywhere.
Besides which, I don't live in hamiltion.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:54:47 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/12/2026 9:49 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:42:26 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:It's been hot as hell here for at least a million years, Cracker.
On 5/12/2026 12:49 AM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/11/26 8:07 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:Listen up cracker - you're running a heat pump 24 x 7 up in your
On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:01:18 -0700, dart200on the contrary the kinds of efforts required to be successful, will be >>>>> so expensive no one will be able to deny the effort required to maintain >>>>> something close to the 20th century status quo
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic >>>>>>>>> Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are >>>>>>>>> entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating a
'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's salt
content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking process, >>>>>>>>> weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. We
are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward drift >>>>>>>>> of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has shifted >>>>>>>>> 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons
in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food supply
for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 >>>>>>>> Gt of
ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000
years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of 200
to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>>> century"
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>>>> lot slower than today
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>>> even
higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred during
a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice cores and
other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to 12-#C in air >>>>>>>
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
Why mass extinction?-a Because conditions are changing faster than >>>>>> evolution can provide necessary adaptations.-a Not that things like >>>>>> habitat loss have not already been driving mass extinction.
Part of what gives nature the resilience necessary to survive
environmental changes is species diversity.-a When you replace a forest >>>>>> with cows (amazon jungle), or a grassland with wheat and corn, the >>>>>> diversity is destroyed.
Dire consequences tomorrow?-a Nope.-a Not even in your lifetime.-a Which >>>>>> means you have plenty of time to deny, deny, deny and do nothing.
And if you should be around, you can always say, it was going to
happen anyway, nothing could have been done.
And if great concerted efforts should avoid dire consequences, then >>>>>
ur right that wilson prolly won't be here to see that undeniable fruition >>>>>
apartment. It's not about Wilson, it about you, Nick.
What the fuck do you know about dart's heat pump?
Correct, nothing. You know nothing.
you can say, see all that effort was unnecessary, the problem solved >>>>>> itself.
You would say that wouldn't you, wilson?-a Or people like you.
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently
at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we
are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water
cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and
sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern
Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy
per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these
shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt
of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are
today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching re+500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also
a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently
at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we
are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water
cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern
Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy
per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are
today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also
a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted
overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC >collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop--
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida >experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently
at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we
are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water
cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern
Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy
per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are
today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also
a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted
overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC >collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida >experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
On Tue, 12 May 2026 20:31:14 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently >>>>>> at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we
are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water
cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern
Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy >>>>>> per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are
today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also
a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC
collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>>
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida
experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
Sorry dart. Nothing wakes people up. Ever. It is a old problem:
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
-Friedrich Schiller
The Maid of Orleans, Act III, sc. vi (1801) [tr. Swanwick]
You might as well look for some entertainment to busy yourself with
for the duration.
On 5/12/26 9:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 20:31:14 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently >>>>>>> at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we >>>>>>> are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water >>>>>>> cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern >>>>>>> Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy >>>>>>> per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's >>>>>>> salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward >>>>>>> drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions. >>>>>>>
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones >>>>>>> (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are >>>>>> today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of >>>>>> 200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>> century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were >>>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to >>>>>> 12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also >>>>> a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published. >>>
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC
collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps >>>> that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida
experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
Sorry dart. Nothing wakes people up. Ever. It is a old problem:
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
-Friedrich Schiller
The Maid of Orleans, Act III, sc. vi (1801) [tr. Swanwick]
You might as well look for some entertainment to busy yourself with
for the duration.
nah maybe i should start preaching climate change denial so we can speed
the process up eh??? why let it drag out indecisively?
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:50:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating >>>>> a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is
pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high-
resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse.
We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has
shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern
Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt
of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year,
with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice
cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a
lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean
temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse
gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted
overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
And so wilson presumes to dismiss all science he does not agree with,
which is mostly all of it.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
See, here is another example of wilson spouting pure bs from his
preferred sources, which he knows better than to mention.
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead
to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
On 5/12/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:50:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its
weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating >>>>>> a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsusuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South Asiauwould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000u5,000 >>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3#C warmer than they are today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16u14 thousand years ago were
even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
--
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
And so wilson presumes to dismiss all science he does not agree with,
which is mostly all of it.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water tempsSee, here is another example of wilson spouting pure bs from his
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>
preferred sources, which he knows better than to mention.
The source is in the link I posted.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead
to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This >marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which >certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC
at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead
to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
rCLFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times
greater than todayrCOs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.rCY
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC
at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
On 5/14/2026 3:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>> greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC
at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
On Thu, 14 May 2026 19:40:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/14/2026 3:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>rCLFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. >>>>>> Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>>
rCLFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the >>>> ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>>> greater than todayrCOs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.rCY
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC >>>> at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times
greater than todayrCOs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.rCY
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
So he did not actually say did not result in shutdown of the amoc?
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead
to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
rCLFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times
greater than todayrCOs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.rCY
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC
at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
On 5/15/2026 6:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 19:40:05 -0700, Dude <punditster@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/14/2026 3:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water >>>>>>> temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. >>>>>>> Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in >>>>>> power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>>>
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the >>>>> ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>>>> greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which >>>>> certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC >>>>> at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten >>>>> much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>> greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
So he did not actually say did not result in shutdown of the amoc?
Wilson is apparently not logged in yet, but it looks like, according to
the report, between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the ice sheet lost
most ice grounded on the continental shelf, give or take.
On 5/14/2026 6:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power.
Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the
ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>> greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC
at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
It's apparently widely accepted that proxies show during that period (16
to 14 thousand years ago) the climate of the north atlantic continued to >warm and the AMOC didn't shut down.
A search should provide citations you'll accept.
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:34:26 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/14/2026 6:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water
temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. >>>>>> Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>>
rCLFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the >>>> ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>>> greater than todayrCOs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.rCY
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which
certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC >>>> at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten
much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
It's apparently widely accepted that proxies show during that period (16
to 14 thousand years ago) the climate of the north atlantic continued to
warm and the AMOC didn't shut down.
I know what you mean by "widely accepted".
A search should provide citations you'll accept.
Which it appears you were not able to find.
Regardless, I would say that you and I are not qualified to have
opinions in the matter or to evaluate the opinions of those who are qualified. But, we can flip a coin and decide which to agree with.
On Tue, 12 May 2026 20:31:14 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently >>>>>> at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we
are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water
cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern
Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy >>>>>> per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's
salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward
drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions.
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food
supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones
(13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo
5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are
today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of
200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this
century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to
12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as
much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also
a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass
extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us
like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published.
lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC
collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the
presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps
that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps? >>>
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida
experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
Sorry dart. Nothing wakes people up. Ever. It is a old problem:
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
-Friedrich Schiller
The Maid of Orleans, Act III, sc. vi (1801) [tr. Swanwick]
You might as well look for some entertainment to busy yourself with
for the duration.
On 5/12/26 9:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 20:31:14 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently >>>>>>> at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we >>>>>>> are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water >>>>>>> cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern >>>>>>> Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy >>>>>>> per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's >>>>>>> salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward >>>>>>> drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions. >>>>>>>
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food >>>>>>> supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-
moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones >>>>>>> (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo >>>>>> 5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are >>>>>> today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of >>>>>> 200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>> century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7
times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to >>>>>> 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also >>>>> a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the
accepted
overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published. >>>
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-
this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC
collapse would be like, wilson
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps >>>> that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it
strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric
temps?
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida
experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional
sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for
ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
Sorry dart.-a Nothing wakes people up.-a Ever.-a It is a old problem:
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
-Friedrich Schiller
The Maid of Orleans, Act III, sc. vi (1801) [tr. Swanwick]
You might as well look for some entertainment to busy yourself with
for the duration.
nah maybe i should start preaching climate change denial so we can speed
the process up eh??? why let it drag out indecisively?
On Tue, 12 May 2026 22:11:50 -0700, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 9:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 20:31:14 -0700, dart200
<user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:lol cope hard my dude. the same author in multiple papers claims
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean
current that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently >>>>>>>> at its weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we >>>>>>>> are entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system. >>>>>>>>
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that
transports tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water >>>>>>>> cools and turns salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and >>>>>>>> sinks, creating a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern >>>>>>>> Ocean, sustaining a loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy >>>>>>>> per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's >>>>>>>> salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking >>>>>>>> process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward >>>>>>>> drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions. >>>>>>>>
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter >>>>>>>> temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food >>>>>>>> supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow- >>>>>>>> moving, existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones >>>>>>>> (13:15-14:55).
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo >>>>>>> 5,000 years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are >>>>>>> today.
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of >>>>>>> 200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>>> century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 >>>>>>> times greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred >>>>>>> during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to >>>>>>> 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the >>>>>> arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also >>>>>> a lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC. >>>>>>>
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf >>>>>>>
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>>>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published. >>>>
*current* GIS loss rates are already on par with the worst of the
Holocene thus far, and we're obviously set to exceed it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2742-6
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/greenland-ice-loss-rate-how-this-century-compares-to-the-holocene
which would imply the HTM climate reconstructions do show what an AMOC >>>> collapse would be like, wilson
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps >>>>> that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a >>>>> shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it >>>>
power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>>
classic
will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
the *major* or rather definitive evidence for the AMOC already
noticeably slowing is the cold blob in the north atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
and that's just _slowing_ wilson, it's not in collapse or total stop
yet. if the amoc slows significantly/collapses not only will florida
experience much worse hurricanes... it will experience abrupt regional >>>> sea level rise ???
i'm almost an accelerationist at this point. i'm so bored of the
moronically stupid society i live in, maybe some real consequences for >>>> ur persistent sinning will finally wake enough of ya'll the fuck up
Sorry dart. Nothing wakes people up. Ever. It is a old problem:
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
-Friedrich Schiller
The Maid of Orleans, Act III, sc. vi (1801) [tr. Swanwick]
You might as well look for some entertainment to busy yourself with
for the duration.
nah maybe i should start preaching climate change denial so we can speed
the process up eh??? why let it drag out indecisively?
Even harder to put them to sleep, I think.
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:23:14 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 10:39 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:50:50 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/11/2026 10:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/10/26 3:24 PM, Wilson wrote:
On 5/10/2026 2:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw9AiEG-Qww (15:04)
-----
This video, presented by Dr. Ben Miles, examines the Atlantic
Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), an essential ocean current >>>>>>> that keeps Europe's climate mild. The current is currently at its >>>>>>> weakest point in 1,600 years, and new research confirms we are
entering the early stages of a pre-collapse warning system.
Key Highlights:
What is the AMOC? It is a vast, self-reinforcing loop that transports >>>>>>> tropical heat toward the North Atlantic. As the water cools and turns >>>>>>> salty near the Norwegian coast, it becomes dense and sinks, creating >>>>>>> a 'deep river' that travels back to the Southern Ocean, sustaining a >>>>>>> loop that moves one petawatt of thermal energy per second
The Threat of Collapse: Melting ice from the Greenland Ice Sheet is >>>>>>> pouring fresh water into the North Atlantic, diluting the water's >>>>>>> salt content and density. This reduces the force of the sinking
process, weakening the circulation.
The New Warning System: A study from Utrecht University using high- >>>>>>> resolution models discovered a two-stage process for AMOC collapse. >>>>>>> We are currently in Stage 1, characterized by a gradual northward >>>>>>> drift of the Gulf Stream. Satellite data shows the Gulf Stream has >>>>>>> shifted 53 km north since 1993, matching the model's predictions. >>>>>>>
The Consequences: A full collapse would be catastrophic: winter
temperatures in Europe could drop by *10C*, agriculture in Northern >>>>>>> Europe would fail, and global rainfall patternsrCosuch as the monsoons >>>>>>> in West Africa and South AsiarCowould shift, threatening the food >>>>>>> supply for over a billion people.
Dr. Miles concludes that while we have had the data to observe these >>>>>>> shifts for 30 years, human societies struggle to address slow-moving, >>>>>>> existential threats compared to dramatic, cinematic ones (13:15-14:55). >>>>>>>
- geminiGPT
-----
ahhh, the future is looking bright for eurocucks!
The world is always ending for some people.
Between 1972 and 2025, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt >>>>>> of ice per year.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/climate-indicators/ice-sheets
But temps in Greenland during the Holocene Thermal Maximum 9,000rCo5,000 >>>>>> years ago were estimated to be 2 to 3-#C warmer than they are today. >>>>>>
During that time the Greenland Ice Sheet lost an average 100 Gt/year, >>>>>> with estimated whole-sheet maximum mass loss rates for Greenland of >>>>>> 200 to 400 Gt per year!
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019AGUFM.C11B..06B/abstract
bruh that article is literally titled:
"Greenland Ice Sheet mass loss rate will exceed Holocene values this >>>>> century"
But the maximum ice loss rates around 16rCo14 thousand years ago were >>>>>> even higher, reaching ?500 to 1400 Gt per year. This is 2.5 to 7 times >>>>>> greater than the highest recently observed rates.
This rapid loss of ice didn't cause cooling and in fact occurred
during a period of abrupt Northern Hemisphere warming. Greenland ice >>>>>> cores and other proxies show rapid regional warming with up to 5 to >>>>>> 12-#C in air
that was while the globe was rising out of the glacial maximum. the
arctic in general warmed a lot more than the tropics, some places as >>>>> much as 20C, while the average surface delta was "only" 6C, plus also a >>>>> lot slower than today
temperatures in some areas. This was driven primarily by warmer ocean >>>>>> temperatures caused by orbital/insolation changes, rising greenhouse >>>>>> gases, and ocean circulation shifts that *strengthened* the AMOC.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
Yes, that was provided several iterations back. I see it is about the greenland ice cap. Where can I find AMOC mentioned?
--
you have to understand wilson, the climate today is shifting at mass >>>>> extinction rates already, ignoring any trigger points in line for us >>>>> like significant AMOC slowdown or collapse
The titles of scientific papers these days have to fit into the accepted >>>> overton window of catastrophic AGW forecasts in order to get published. >>>>
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
And so wilson presumes to dismiss all science he does not agree with,
which is mostly all of it.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water temps >>>> that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead to a
shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. Maybe it >>>> will be different this time? Because of generally higher atmospheric temps?
See, here is another example of wilson spouting pure bs from his
preferred sources, which he knows better than to mention.
The source is in the link I posted.
https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
On 5/15/2026 11:33 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:\
On Fri, 15 May 2026 12:34:26 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/14/2026 6:14 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2026 16:44:56 -0400, Wilson <Wilson@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 5/12/2026 11:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
On 5/12/26 5:50 AM, Wilson wrote:https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/19/5719/2025/tc-19-5719-2025.pdf
And on the subject of forecasts, they're about as good (or bad) as the >>>>>>> presumptions that go into the models. GIGO.
Anyhow, the point was data shows that in the past increased water >>>>>>> temps that lead to massive ice sheet melting in Greenland didn't lead >>>>>>> to a shutdown of the AMOC and in fact the AMOC increased in power. >>>>>>> Maybe it
i'm not sure where ur getting the notion that the AMOC increased in >>>>>> power. ur last source there does not mention AMOC in the context of it >>>>>> strengthening ... is this some GPT sourced bs ur feeding me here??? lol >>>>>
oFor instance, we find that between 16 and 14 thousand years ago, the >>>>> ice sheet lost most ice grounded on the continental shelf. This
marine-sector retreat, associated with mass loss rates up to seven times >>>>> greater than todayAs, was likely mainly driven by ocean warming.o
How is it that massive ice loss /seven times/ the current rate, which >>>>> certainly resulted in massive amounts of fresh water and decreased
salinity in the North Atlantic, didn't result in a shutdown of the AMOC >>>>> at that time? Because if the AMOC had shut down it would have gotten >>>>> much cooler. And it didn't.
Does it say that or is that your speculation?
It's apparently widely accepted that proxies show during that period (16 >>> to 14 thousand years ago) the climate of the north atlantic continued to >>> warm and the AMOC didn't shut down.
I know what you mean by "widely accepted".
A search should provide citations you'll accept.
Which it appears you were not able to find.
Regardless, I would say that you and I are not qualified to have
opinions in the matter or to evaluate the opinions of those who are
qualified. But, we can flip a coin and decide which to agree with.
Just follow the science.
wilson is trying here to present novel speculation of his own origin,
while totally contradicting the paper he references. this one is
_concerned_ for freshwater release slowing down AMOC, and this is the
second paper he's quoted here that contradicts his novel speculation...
anyways wilson: an AMOC slowdown/collapse event, shifts and/or restarts,
are a regional changes in heat distribution, not global climate trends.
if an AMOC collapse were to happen this decade, europe will experience a rapid cooling of several C ... and then continue warming along with the
rest of the planet. the same would be true during anything that happens during the warming out of the ice age: an AMOC collapse would cause temporary cooling relatives to the rest of the planet, but that would reverse as the AMOC restarted, so europe would eventually experience the full scope of warming regardless
it's kinda funny you think a few mins or even hours of speculation is
about to overturn decades of research on the matter (classic climate
change denialism), but i suppose i can thank you for your ignorance
leading me to this fantastic overview article that i *highly* recommend
you reading carefully:
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/is-the-atlantic-overturning- circulation-approaching-a-tipping-point
it does somewhat address concerns of what the AMOC was doing when the
earth was warming out of the ice age, including:
- Dansgaard-Oeschger events where circulation suddenly shifted northward from the open atlantic south of iceland to say the nordic seas north of iceland causing greenland to experience abrupt spikes in temperature of 10C-15C over a decade. these are unstable and only lasted a few
centuries. they've found more than 20 in the ice core data (i don't
think just the last ice age, but in total ice core record)
- Heinrich events where huge masses of ice slid into the ocean from the melting north american ice sheets, drifting across the atlantic
obviously adding a ton of freshwater. these are associated with northern hemisphere cooling and southern hemisphere warming indicating that the northerly heat transport of the AMOC had slowed drastically or collapsed altogether
both of these events lead to measurable and _opposing_ shifts in the tropical rainfall belts (because they affect heat distribution in
opposite ways), which is the largest threat any such event really
causes. billions of people depend on consistent rainfall in particular locations for their food and water ... while such events threaten to
shift this around north or south.
i hope you'll appreciate the balanced approach it takes to the kinds of
the evidence we've procured thus far, especially in regards to whether
we can trust projective models or not (we can't just blindly trust
them) ... but idk if u'll really read given that u barely read the
titles of the articles you posted at me ...
there was one detail that i was pondering last night and might be of
some interest. i was have trouble reckoning the fact a parcel of water
takes 1000 years to complete an AMOC cycle, and large climate effects
taking place on the scale of merely decades ... but you see, the speed
of the AMOC is not uniform. upper layers like the gulf steam between american and europe have average speed between 1 to 4 mph. but the deep ocean current back to antartica crawls along at mere fractions of that
at more like ~0.05 mph. if the AMOC slows, effects in top layer like the gulf steam become climatically relevant quite quickly.
furthermore let me explain something that this article doesn't mention:
the AMOC is a feature of icehouse climates like we are currently in
(where glaciers exist and poles have year round ice), not hothouse
climates which earth spent 85% of it's history. hothouse climates, when
for example alligators thrived in the high north, do not have the
thermal gradients to drive such large scale ocean circulation. the AMOC
dies all together, and stays dead. the ocean becomes fundamentally stratified starving the deep ocean of nutrients *and* oxygen, leading to
a building of anoxic and eventually euxinic conditions where hydrogen sulfide producing life (poisonous to complex oxygen based life) starts
to dominate. my speculation is that this doesn't dominate long term
because eventually nutrients run out for even the euxinic life, but in
the short term this is yet another mass extinction driver...
... idk wilson ...You and I define "rights" completely differently. Just because something
-a > do people even have a right to a consistent climate?
-a >
-a > #god
i would suppose u'd say they do not Efnu
On 5/15/2026 10:47 PM, dart200 wrote:
wilson is trying here to present novel speculation of his own origin,
while totally contradicting the paper he references. this one is
_concerned_ for freshwater release slowing down AMOC, and this is the
second paper he's quoted here that contradicts his novel speculation...
The "novel speculation" is simple logic.
If between 16 and 14 thousand
years ago there was enough ocean warming for Greenland to have ice loss >rates up to seven times higher than today, that would have resulted in >massive amounts of fresh water being introduced into the North Atlantic.
And that would have decreased North Atlantic salinity which, according
to current models, should have shut down the AMOC.
But apparently that massive melting /didn't/ result in a shutdown of the >AMOC. Because the north Atlantic region didn't get colder. The ice in >Greenland continued to melt because warmer water continued to circulate.
This indicates there are other factors that drive the AMOC besides ice
melt / salinity / temperature.
anyways wilson: an AMOC slowdown/collapse event, shifts and/or restarts,
are a regional changes in heat distribution, not global climate trends.
if an AMOC collapse were to happen this decade, europe will experience a
rapid cooling of several C ... and then continue warming along with the
rest of the planet. the same would be true during anything that happens
during the warming out of the ice age: an AMOC collapse would cause
temporary cooling relatives to the rest of the planet, but that would
reverse as the AMOC restarted, so europe would eventually experience the
full scope of warming regardless
it's kinda funny you think a few mins or even hours of speculation is
about to overturn decades of research on the matter (classic climate
change denialism), but i suppose i can thank you for your ignorance
leading me to this fantastic overview article that i *highly* recommend
you reading carefully:
https://tos.org/oceanography/article/is-the-atlantic-overturning-
circulation-approaching-a-tipping-point
it does somewhat address concerns of what the AMOC was doing when the
earth was warming out of the ice age, including:
- Dansgaard-Oeschger events where circulation suddenly shifted northward
from the open atlantic south of iceland to say the nordic seas north of
iceland causing greenland to experience abrupt spikes in temperature of
10C-15C over a decade. these are unstable and only lasted a few
centuries. they've found more than 20 in the ice core data (i don't
think just the last ice age, but in total ice core record)
- Heinrich events where huge masses of ice slid into the ocean from the
melting north american ice sheets, drifting across the atlantic
obviously adding a ton of freshwater. these are associated with northern
hemisphere cooling and southern hemisphere warming indicating that the
northerly heat transport of the AMOC had slowed drastically or collapsed
altogether
both of these events lead to measurable and _opposing_ shifts in the
tropical rainfall belts (because they affect heat distribution in
opposite ways), which is the largest threat any such event really
causes. billions of people depend on consistent rainfall in particular
locations for their food and water ... while such events threaten to
shift this around north or south.
i hope you'll appreciate the balanced approach it takes to the kinds of
the evidence we've procured thus far, especially in regards to whether
we can trust projective models or not (we can't just blindly trust
them) ... but idk if u'll really read given that u barely read the
titles of the articles you posted at me ...
The titles and the abstract of a paper are the framing. The details in
the paper better reflect the science.
In order to be published by a mainstream academic journal today it's >virtually required that a paper accept the paradigm that most global
warming in the past 100 years is the result of human action. It's very >difficult for any science that shows evidence dissenting from that
position to get any traction because it gets ignored. Maybe that's
because it's bad science. Or maybe it's group think running academia.
For a perfect example of this, the first paragraph the article you
posted says, "These tipping points present a major risk of abrupt ocean >circulation and climate shifts as we push our planet further out of the >stable Holocene climate into uncharted waters."
It's assumed and granted. We are /pushing our planet/ and are mostly if
not fully responsible for a 1.5 degree C change. Because Everyone Knows.
there was one detail that i was pondering last night and might be of
some interest. i was have trouble reckoning the fact a parcel of water
takes 1000 years to complete an AMOC cycle, and large climate effects
taking place on the scale of merely decades ... but you see, the speed
of the AMOC is not uniform. upper layers like the gulf steam between
american and europe have average speed between 1 to 4 mph. but the deep
ocean current back to antartica crawls along at mere fractions of that
at more like ~0.05 mph. if the AMOC slows, effects in top layer like the
gulf steam become climatically relevant quite quickly.
furthermore let me explain something that this article doesn't mention:
the AMOC is a feature of icehouse climates like we are currently in
(where glaciers exist and poles have year round ice), not hothouse
climates which earth spent 85% of it's history. hothouse climates, when
for example alligators thrived in the high north, do not have the
thermal gradients to drive such large scale ocean circulation. the AMOC
dies all together, and stays dead. the ocean becomes fundamentally
stratified starving the deep ocean of nutrients *and* oxygen, leading to
a building of anoxic and eventually euxinic conditions where hydrogen
sulfide producing life (poisonous to complex oxygen based life) starts
to dominate. my speculation is that this doesn't dominate long term
because eventually nutrients run out for even the euxinic life, but in
the short term this is yet another mass extinction driver...
The paper is interesting. But I have questions.
- If the AMOC is slowing down now, why? There's not been nearly as much
ice melt as we've seen in the past during times when it didn't shut
down. Rainfall is mentioned as a possible cause of the 'cold blob' but >amounts weren't quantified (I think maybe because it might be difficult
to measure in the middle of the Atlantic?)
- The temp increase over the past 100 years doesn't begin to compare to
what happened at the end of the Younger Dryas about 12 thousand years
ago. Greenland ice cores show a warming then of 7u10#C in just a few >decades.
Yes, that temp increase might not have been global like we think we see >today. But according to Grok, "current paleoclimate proxies and >reconstruction methods would likely not reliably identify or confirm a >temporary global 1.5#C excursion (over a few hundred years) if it
occurred thousands of years ago. Such a short, transient ospike and
returno would fall below the typical resolution limits, smoothing
effects, and dating uncertainties of the proxy networks used for global >reconstructions."
The site it referenced for that tidbit of info is at >https://cp.copernicus.org/articles/21/381/2025/
which says:
"According to our analysis of the PPEs [pseudo-proxy experiments], the >timing of GMST [global mean surface temperature] variations can be >reconstructed for timescales longer than 4?kyr and a timing uncertainty
of #0.5 to 1?kyr for the last 25?kyr."
In other words, they can't reliably see short term global temperature >changes that happened during the past 25,000 years unless those changes >lasted at least 4,000 years.
Meaning we simply don't know that what's happening with our climate
isn't within normal variation. Our ,odels can only be best guesses based
on the data we think is accurate.
But that reality doesn't stop the author from wishcasting that,
"A full AMOC collapse would be a massive, planetary-scale disaster. We >really want to prevent this from happening."
And
"For the AMOC and other climate tipping points, the only action we can
take to minimize the risk is to phase out fossil fuel use and stop >deforestation as fast as possible. If we can reach zero emissions,
further global warming will stop within years..."
OK. As usual, the devil's in the details.
So all that said, yes it's possible the AMOC might be slowing and maybe
even shutting down for reasons not fully understood and if that happens >yeah, Europe might be well and truly screwed.
--You and I define "rights" completely differently. Just because something
... idk wilson ...
a > do people even have a right to a consistent climate?
a >
a > #god
i would suppose u'd say they do not ?
is a good idea does not make it a right.
Also, humanity does not have half the power and control you're assuming
it has.
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