The Holy Bible is the biggest crock of horseshit ever published. That
people actually read and believe in this nonsense only proves just how >retarded the human race can be.
<lazarus@ghoul.net> wrote:
The Holy Bible is the biggest crock of horseshit ever published. That >people actually read and believe in this nonsense only proves just how >retarded the human race can be.
Yes, retardation certainly explaines a lot. For example,
the Bible at Isa 40:22 says the earth is circular. The Hebrew word
used there is "hhug". Some Bible translators say it means "sphere".
Also at Job 26:7 it says God hanged the earth upon nothing. If you put
the two together, you get:
A circular or spherical earth, floating in space upon nothing. How did
they know that? Space flight was still many millenniums away.
Retardation must be the answer!
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
<lazarus@ghoul.net> wrote:
The Holy Bible is the biggest crock of horseshit ever published. That
people actually read and believe in this nonsense only proves just how
retarded the human race can be.
Yes, retardation certainly explaines a lot. For example,
the Bible at Isa 40:22 says the earth is circular. The Hebrew word
used there is "hhug". Some Bible translators say it means "sphere".
Also at Job 26:7 it says God hanged the earth upon nothing. If you put
the two together, you get:
A circular or spherical earth, floating in space upon nothing. How did
they know that? Space flight was still many millenniums away.
Retardation must be the answer!
IIRC we have discussed this before.
There are many more bible verses that refer to a
flat-earth or immovable-earth cosmology. That seems
odd because by the time most of the OT was written
down, the greek-speaking world already knew the earth
was round.
Your verses do seem to speak of a round earth
unsupported in space. The bible often contradicts
itself, as we sometimes note.
Anyway:
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
world, and the glory of them;
Daniel 4:10-11
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the
height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof
reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end
of all the earth:
Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever.
1 Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before Him, all the earth;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 33:8-9
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
Psalm 93:1
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 96:10
Say among the nations, oThe Lord reigns;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.o
Isaiah 14:7
The whole earth is at rest and is quiet;
They break forth into shouts of joy.
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 12:21:08 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
<lazarus@ghoul.net> wrote:
The Holy Bible is the biggest crock of horseshit ever published. That
people actually read and believe in this nonsense only proves just how
retarded the human race can be.
Yes, retardation certainly explaines a lot. For example,
the Bible at Isa 40:22 says the earth is circular. The Hebrew word
used there is "hhug". Some Bible translators say it means "sphere".
Also at Job 26:7 it says God hanged the earth upon nothing. If you put
the two together, you get:
A circular or spherical earth, floating in space upon nothing. How did
they know that? Space flight was still many millenniums away.
Retardation must be the answer!
IIRC we have discussed this before.
There are many more bible verses that refer to a
flat-earth or immovable-earth cosmology. That seems
odd because by the time most of the OT was written
down, the greek-speaking world already knew the earth
was round.
The Bible, just like us, speaks symbolically at times. For example,
see this quote from NASA:
From a NASA web page promoting its "Passport to Knowledge Project", it
makes the following statement:
"Electronic field-trips via television, print and telecomputing take
students on adventures to the ends of the Earth, to the bottom of the
oceans and out into space." (http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/antarctica/passport.html)
Is NASA saying the earth has "ends", thus is flat or cubical? I am
sure you don't conclude they meant that literally, and neither should
you conclude the Bible is literal all the time. You have look at the
context, and other related verses etc, to determine literalness or
not.
Your verses do seem to speak of a round earth
unsupported in space. The bible often contradicts
itself, as we sometimes note.
That's as rare as hen's teeth. Many times if you research a Scripture,
you will find no such contradiction. But you can't be biased one way
or another.
Anyway:
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
A "foundation" is a supporting structure. It can mean many things.
Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
world, and the glory of them;
Daniel 4:10-11
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the
height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof
reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end
of all the earth:
Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever.
1 Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before Him, all the earth;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 33:8-9
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
Psalm 93:1
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 96:10
Say among the nations, oThe Lord reigns;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.o
Isaiah 14:7
The whole earth is at rest and is quiet;
They break forth into shouts of joy.
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 12:21:08 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
<lazarus@ghoul.net> wrote:
The Holy Bible is the biggest crock of horseshit ever published. That
people actually read and believe in this nonsense only proves just how >> >> >retarded the human race can be.
Yes, retardation certainly explaines a lot. For example,
the Bible at Isa 40:22 says the earth is circular. The Hebrew word
used there is "hhug". Some Bible translators say it means "sphere".
Also at Job 26:7 it says God hanged the earth upon nothing. If you put
the two together, you get:
A circular or spherical earth, floating in space upon nothing. How did
they know that? Space flight was still many millenniums away.
Retardation must be the answer!
IIRC we have discussed this before.
There are many more bible verses that refer to a
flat-earth or immovable-earth cosmology. That seems
odd because by the time most of the OT was written
down, the greek-speaking world already knew the earth
was round.
The Bible, just like us, speaks symbolically at times. For example,
see this quote from NASA:
From a NASA web page promoting its "Passport to Knowledge Project", it
makes the following statement:
"Electronic field-trips via television, print and telecomputing take
students on adventures to the ends of the Earth, to the bottom of the
oceans and out into space."
(http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/antarctica/passport.html)
Is NASA saying the earth has "ends", thus is flat or cubical? I am
sure you don't conclude they meant that literally, and neither should
you conclude the Bible is literal all the time. You have look at the
context, and other related verses etc, to determine literalness or
not.
Of course that's a metaphor.
Why do you think the earth's foundations and immovability is
also a metaphor? What are the verses really referring to?
Your verses do seem to speak of a round earth
unsupported in space. The bible often contradicts
itself, as we sometimes note.
That's as rare as hen's teeth. Many times if you research a Scripture,
you will find no such contradiction. But you can't be biased one way
or another.
The bible has many contradictions.
Who can see God?
Anyway:
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
A "foundation" is a supporting structure. It can mean many things.
Right. It means a supporting structure. Which a rotating,
revolving earth doesn't have.
Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
world, and the glory of them;
Daniel 4:10-11
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw,
and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the
height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof
reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end
of all the earth:
Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever.
1 Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before Him, all the earth;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 33:8-9
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
Psalm 93:1
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved.
Psalm 96:10
Say among the nations, oThe Lord reigns;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not
be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity.o
Isaiah 14:7
The whole earth is at rest and is quiet;
They break forth into shouts of joy.
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 00:35:54 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
Is NASA saying the earth has "ends", thus is flat or cubical? I am
sure you don't conclude they meant that literally, and neither should
you conclude the Bible is literal all the time. You have look at the
context, and other related verses etc, to determine literalness or
not.
Of course that's a metaphor.
Why do you think the earth's foundations and immovability is
also a metaphor? What are the verses really referring to?
The Bible means, just like a large boulder is sitting firmly on the
ground and is immoveable, so is with the earth. It will not be moved
out its place. Nor will it be destroyed. It's like that boulder,
firmly staying where it sits.
Your verses do seem to speak of a round earth
unsupported in space. The bible often contradicts
itself, as we sometimes note.
That's as rare as hen's teeth. Many times if you research a Scripture,
you will find no such contradiction. But you can't be biased one way
or another.
The bible has many contradictions.
Give me an example. What you call a contradiction may fade away once
you investigate.
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
A "foundation" is a supporting structure. It can mean many things.
Right. It means a supporting structure. Which a rotating,
revolving earth doesn't have.
Then why does it keep staying in a stable orbit when circling the sun?
it's got supporting structlure of some kind, otherwise we are all
doomed.
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
Water? Not that I ever read. When it was created, it had a lot of
water associated with it. But wasn't made FROM water.
As for a flat earth, Just like the above about NASA, the Bible has
many metaphores also. But here is how the Bible describes the earth in
a couple of places:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The word for "circle" there is the Hebrew word "hhug". Some Bible
experts say hhug can mean "sphere" also.
And the book of Job tells us its location:
-- King James
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing.
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Not bad for B.C.E. sheepherders!
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 00:35:54 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
(snip old stuff)
Is NASA saying the earth has "ends", thus is flat or cubical? I am
sure you don't conclude they meant that literally, and neither should
you conclude the Bible is literal all the time. You have look at the
context, and other related verses etc, to determine literalness or
not.
Of course that's a metaphor.
Why do you think the earth's foundations and immovability is
also a metaphor? What are the verses really referring to?
The Bible means, just like a large boulder is sitting firmly on the
ground and is immoveable, so is with the earth. It will not be moved
out its place. Nor will it be destroyed. It's like that boulder,
firmly staying where it sits.
Your verses do seem to speak of a round earth
unsupported in space. The bible often contradicts
itself, as we sometimes note.
That's as rare as hen's teeth. Many times if you research a Scripture,
you will find no such contradiction. But you can't be biased one way
or another.
The bible has many contradictions.
Give me an example. What you call a contradiction may fade away once
you investigate.
No man can see God and live (Ex 33:20)
but:
God appeared to Abraham (Gen 18)
Jacob saw God (Gen 32)
Moses spoke with God face to face, as to a
friend (Ex 33:11)
Moses, Aaron & 70 elders saw God (Ex 24)
God shows Moses his butt (Ex 33:23)
As illustrated by Michelangelo on the ceiling
of the Sistine Chapel:
<https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelo-warrior-pope-and-gods-bottom/>
Who did Mary and Mary Magdalene see at Jesus's tomb?
How did Judas die?
Also from a previous post by Mitchell Holman:
194 Contradictions in the New Testament ><https://www.slideshare.net/salehusman585/194-contradiction-sin-the-new-testament-of-the-bible>
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
A "foundation" is a supporting structure. It can mean many things.
Right. It means a supporting structure. Which a rotating,
revolving earth doesn't have.
Then why does it keep staying in a stable orbit when circling the sun?
it's got supporting structlure of some kind, otherwise we are all
doomed.
Orbital mechanics. Newton explained the physics of why
bodies orbit 300 years ago. Nothing needed to "support"
anything.
I'm not sure what you are thinking. Any "supporting
structure" would get knocked into another orbit.
(snip flat-earth verses),
but note this one:
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
Water? Not that I ever read. When it was created, it had a lot of
water associated with it. But wasn't made FROM water.
I just quoted it above. The earth was formed out of water and
by water, 2 Pete 3:5.
I know the earth wasn't formed out of water, you know it,
even Genesis doesn't say it was, but the author of rePete
didn't get the message.
As for a flat earth, Just like the above about NASA, the Bible has
many metaphores also. But here is how the Bible describes the earth in
a couple of places:
-- New King James
Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its
inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like
a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The word for "circle" there is the Hebrew word "hhug". Some Bible
experts say hhug can mean "sphere" also.
Yes, we are going in that very circle. You already pointed
this out, I said it does sound like it says the earth is
round, which contradicts many other verses that indicate a
flat immovable earth.
The best you're going to get is that the bible contradicts
itself.
And the book of Job tells us its location:
-- King James
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing.
This verse makes no sense. What does north have to do with
empty space and with earth hanging? Maybe you can explain
it.
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Not bad for B.C.E. sheepherders!
Again, by the time most of the OT was written down, it was
already widely known that the earth was round. Certainly the
Greeks knew it when they translated the Septuagint.
Thank you for your replies, James, I appreciate your time,
effort and explanations.
If you want to give them to me one at a time, I will comment on them.
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 20:42:04 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 00:35:54 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
The bible has many contradictions.
Give me an example. What you call a contradiction may fade away once
you investigate.
No man can see God and live (Ex 33:20)
but:
Good examples. I don't blame you for calling them contradictions.
The answer is that sometimes angels represent God. This is not a cop
out. It's just the BIBLE'S way of talking in places. For example,
Who gave Moses the 10 commandments? Of course God you say. And I agree
when I read it. But note what the disciple Luke wrote:
-- Revised Standard
Acts 7:53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not
keep it."
Thus angels stood for God, and gave the 10 commanments to Moses.
Remember, the Bible was not written in our century, but is thousands
of years old. Thus the wording of some ideas can be somewhat
different.
God appeared to Abraham (Gen 18)
Jacob saw God (Gen 32)
Moses spoke with God face to face, as to a
friend (Ex 33:11)
Moses, Aaron & 70 elders saw God (Ex 24)
God shows Moses his butt (Ex 33:23)
As illustrated by Michelangelo on the ceiling
of the Sistine Chapel:
<https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelo-warrior-pope-and-gods-bottom/>
See above.
Who did Mary and Mary Magdalene see at Jesus's tomb?
Show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
How did Judas die?
Please show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
I did recall a couple of Scriptures was needed to get to the truth.
Judas hanged himself over a cliff. Then the rope broke and he fell
spilling his guts out. But show me what you think.
Also from a previous post by Mitchell Holman:
194 Contradictions in the New Testament ><https://www.slideshare.net/salehusman585/194-contradiction-sin-the-new-testament-of-the-bible>
If you want to give them to me one at a time, I will comment on them.
I do recall a couple of Scriptures that Bible scholars say was copiest
errors in the OT. It had to do with quantaties. (like 1000 chariots,
or 10,000 chariots)
Orbital mechanics. Newton explained the physics of why
bodies orbit 300 years ago. Nothing needed to "support"
anything.
Who made the physics that Newton discovered? So to answer you in your nomanclature, God made the "orbital mechanics" that keeps the earth
stable. (Gen 1:1)
(snip flat-earth verses),
As I said, the BIBLE shows a spherical earth floating in space
attached to nothing. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7) Yes, unbelievers want to
ignore that proof of Bible wisdom.
but note this one:
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
Water? Not that I ever read. When it was created, it had a lot of
water associated with it. But wasn't made FROM water.
I just quoted it above. The earth was formed out of water and
by water, 2 Pete 3:5.
(2 Peter 3:5) For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago
there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in
the midst of water by the word of God; (NWT)
That means there was a lot of water on the earth, and a water canapy
above the earth. (high in the atmosphere) It was like Venus looks
today, except their clouds surrounding it are made up of sulfuric
acid, etc, instead of the earth's water vapor.
(I surely won't be sunbathing on Venus)
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Not bad for B.C.E. sheepherders!
Again, by the time most of the OT was written down, it was
already widely known that the earth was round. Certainly the
Greeks knew it when they translated the Septuagint.
How do you know?
But there is part B. God hanged the earth upon nothing.Did the B.CE
Greeks know that also? I do know that Aristotle teachings back then
taught that things in the sky, like stars, moon, etc, had to be
hanging from something.
"Planets, the sun, the moon, and the stars were thought to be
physically pinned like jewels into transparent, rotating concentric
orbs centered on the Earth." (Aristotle teaching)
Aristotle said nature abhors a vacuum. Thus all of outerspace had to
be filled with things. (AI Overview)
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Thank you for your replies, James, I appreciate your time,
effort and explanations.
Thank you for your beliefs.
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 20:42:04 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 00:35:54 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
(snip old stuff)
The bible has many contradictions.
Give me an example. What you call a contradiction may fade away once
you investigate.
No man can see God and live (Ex 33:20)
but:
Good examples. I don't blame you for calling them contradictions.
The answer is that sometimes angels represent God. This is not a cop
out. It's just the BIBLE'S way of talking in places. For example,
Who gave Moses the 10 commandments? Of course God you say. And I agree
when I read it. But note what the disciple Luke wrote:
-- Revised Standard
Acts 7:53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not
keep it."
Thus angels stood for God, and gave the 10 commanments to Moses.
Remember, the Bible was not written in our century, but is thousands
of years old. Thus the wording of some ideas can be somewhat
different.
This is your belief, and i don't doubt that it's quite
biblical. As a historical matter, it's doubtful whether
Moses even existed, and archaeological evidence (or lack
thereof) suggested the exodus never happened, and that there
were no large numbers of Jews enslaved in Egypt.
That's a different discussion, just sayin'.
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 20:42:04 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 00:35:54 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
(snip old stuff)
The bible has many contradictions.
Give me an example. What you call a contradiction may fade away once
you investigate.
No man can see God and live (Ex 33:20)
but:
Good examples. I don't blame you for calling them contradictions.
The answer is that sometimes angels represent God. This is not a cop
out. It's just the BIBLE'S way of talking in places. For example,
Who gave Moses the 10 commandments? Of course God you say. And I agree
when I read it. But note what the disciple Luke wrote:
-- Revised Standard
Acts 7:53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not
keep it."
Thus angels stood for God, and gave the 10 commanments to Moses.
Remember, the Bible was not written in our century, but is thousands
of years old. Thus the wording of some ideas can be somewhat
different.
This is your belief, and i don't doubt that it's quite
biblical. As a historical matter, it's doubtful whether
Moses even existed, and archaeological evidence (or lack
thereof) suggested the exodus never happened, and that there
were no large numbers of Jews enslaved in Egypt.
That's a different discussion, just sayin'.
God appeared to Abraham (Gen 18)
Jacob saw God (Gen 32)
Moses spoke with God face to face, as to a
friend (Ex 33:11)
Moses, Aaron & 70 elders saw God (Ex 24)
God shows Moses his butt (Ex 33:23)
As illustrated by Michelangelo on the ceiling
of the Sistine Chapel:
<https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelo-warrior-pope-and-gods-bottom/>
See above.
Who did Mary and Mary Magdalene see at Jesus's tomb?
Show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
Matthew: They saw an angel.
Mark: a man.
Luke: two men.
John: two angels.
How did Judas die?
Please show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
I did recall a couple of Scriptures was needed to get to the truth.
Judas hanged himself over a cliff. Then the rope broke and he fell
spilling his guts out. But show me what you think.
Matthew 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Judas fell and his guts burst out.
Two separate narratives.
Also from a previous post by Mitchell Holman:
194 Contradictions in the New Testament
<https://www.slideshare.net/salehusman585/194-contradiction-sin-the-new-testament-of-the-bible>
If you want to give them to me one at a time, I will comment on them.
I do recall a couple of Scriptures that Bible scholars say was copiest
errors in the OT. It had to do with quantaties. (like 1000 chariots,
or 10,000 chariots)
You can see them for yourself. How bout the first one,:
"1. Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Solomon.
Mt1:6.
Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Nathan.
Lk3:31"
(...)
Orbital mechanics. Newton explained the physics of why
bodies orbit 300 years ago. Nothing needed to "support"
anything.
Who made the physics that Newton discovered? So to answer you in your
nomanclature, God made the "orbital mechanics" that keeps the earth
stable. (Gen 1:1)
You are thinking God made physics. I think Nature did.
Some,
like Einstein, believed Spinoza's concept of an impersonal
God who was the embodiment of the natural laws of the
universe, and kept the universe following the laws.
Whatever your POV, the discovery and theory of natural laws
is science. Who "created" natural laws is a question of
religion.
(snip flat-earth verses),
As I said, the BIBLE shows a spherical earth floating in space
attached to nothing. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7) Yes, unbelievers want to
ignore that proof of Bible wisdom.
but note this one:
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
Water? Not that I ever read. When it was created, it had a lot of
water associated with it. But wasn't made FROM water.
I just quoted it above. The earth was formed out of water and
by water, 2 Pete 3:5.
(2 Peter 3:5) For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago
there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in
the midst of water by the word of God; (NWT)
Plausible, but hard to fit into that box. NWT and NIV give
different understandings.
That means there was a lot of water on the earth, and water canapy
above the earth. (high in the atmosphere) It was like Venus looks
today, except their clouds surrounding it are made up of sulfuric
acid, etc, instead of the earth's water vapor.
(I surely won't be sunbathing on Venus)
Canopy of water over earth is impossible. We're talking
29,000 feet of water being stored in the atmosphere. The
pressure would be greater than at the bottom of the ocean.
All that water (or vapor) would block the sunlight from
earth. The water would displace all the O2.
This is sometimes used as a what-if for Noah's flood. It
just doesn't work.
(round earth hanging etc)
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Not bad for B.C.E. sheepherders!
Again, by the time most of the OT was written down, it was
already widely known that the earth was round. Certainly the
Greeks knew it when they translated the Septuagint.
How do you know?
Because they were educated greeks from Alexandria, a center
of learning. They knew that Aristotle proved the earth was
round in 400 BCE, and that Eristosthenes measured &
calculated the size of the earth in 240 BCE.
But there is part B. God hanged the earth upon nothing.Did the B.CE
Greeks know that also? I do know that Aristotle teachings back then
taught that things in the sky, like stars, moon, etc, had to be
hanging from something.
No they didn't know. And the bodies don't really "hang", but
it's close. Even Ptolomy in 300 AD thought everything went
around the earth. The heliocentric model wasn't accepted
until after Copernicus and Galileo, in the 1500s.
"Planets, the sun, the moon, and the stars were thought to be
physically pinned like jewels into transparent, rotating concentric
orbs centered on the Earth." (Aristotle teaching)
Aristotle said nature abhors a vacuum. Thus all of outerspace had to
be filled with things. (AI Overview)
Gravity keeps space from filling up. The vacuum wins.
Thank you for your replies, James, I appreciate your time,
effort and explanations.
Thank you for your beliefs.
God appeared to Abraham (Gen 18)
Jacob saw God (Gen 32)
Moses spoke with God face to face, as to a
friend (Ex 33:11)
Moses, Aaron & 70 elders saw God (Ex 24)
God shows Moses his butt (Ex 33:23)
As illustrated by Michelangelo on the ceiling
of the Sistine Chapel:
<https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelo-warrior-pope-and-gods-bottom/>
See above.
Who did Mary and Mary Magdalene see at Jesus's tomb?
Show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
Matthew: They saw an angel.
Mark: a man.
Luke: two men.
John: two angels.
How did Judas die?
Please show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
I did recall a couple of Scriptures was needed to get to the truth.
Judas hanged himself over a cliff. Then the rope broke and he fell
spilling his guts out. But show me what you think.
Matthew 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Judas fell and his guts burst out.
Two separate narratives.
Also from a previous post by Mitchell Holman:
194 Contradictions in the New Testament
<https://www.slideshare.net/salehusman585/194-contradiction-sin-the-new-testament-of-the-bible>
If you want to give them to me one at a time, I will comment on them.
I do recall a couple of Scriptures that Bible scholars say was copiest
errors in the OT. It had to do with quantaties. (like 1000 chariots,
or 10,000 chariots)
You can see them for yourself. How bout the first one,:
"1. Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Solomon.
Mt1:6.
Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Nathan.
Lk3:31"
(...)
Orbital mechanics. Newton explained the physics of why
bodies orbit 300 years ago. Nothing needed to "support"
anything.
Who made the physics that Newton discovered? So to answer you in your
nomanclature, God made the "orbital mechanics" that keeps the earth
stable. (Gen 1:1)
You are thinking God made physics. I think Nature did. Some,
like Einstein, believed Spinoza's concept of an impersonal
God who was the embodiment of the natural laws of the
universe, and kept the universe following the laws.
Whatever your POV, the discovery and theory of natural laws
is science. Who "created" natural laws is a question of
religion.
(snip flat-earth verses),
As I said, the BIBLE shows a spherical earth floating in space
attached to nothing. (Isa 40:22; Job 26:7) Yes, unbelievers want to
ignore that proof of Bible wisdom.
but note this one:
2 Peter 3:5
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice
that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago
and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
Yes, I agree with all the Scriptures. What was your point?
That the authors of the bible had a flat-earth, geocentric
cosmology. And they said earth was formed out of water.
Water? Not that I ever read. When it was created, it had a lot of
water associated with it. But wasn't made FROM water.
I just quoted it above. The earth was formed out of water and
by water, 2 Pete 3:5.
(2 Peter 3:5) For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago
there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in
the midst of water by the word of God; (NWT)
Plausible, but hard to fit into that box. NWT and NIV give
different understandings.
That means there was a lot of water on the earth, and a water canapy
above the earth. (high in the atmosphere) It was like Venus looks
today, except their clouds surrounding it are made up of sulfuric
acid, etc, instead of the earth's water vapor.
(I surely won't be sunbathing on Venus)
Canopy of water over earth is impossible. We're talking
29,000 feet of water being stored in the atmosphere. The
pressure would be greater than at the bottom of the ocean.
All that water (or vapor) would block the sunlight from
earth. The water would displace all the O2.
This is sometimes used as a what-if for Noah's flood. It
just doesn't work.
(round earth hanging etc)--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Not bad for B.C.E. sheepherders!
Again, by the time most of the OT was written down, it was
already widely known that the earth was round. Certainly the
Greeks knew it when they translated the Septuagint.
How do you know?
Because they were educated greeks from Alexandria, a center
of learning. They knew that Aristotle proved the earth was
round in 400 BCE, and that Eristosthenes measured &
calculated the size of the earth in 240 BCE.
But there is part B. God hanged the earth upon nothing.Did the B.CE
Greeks know that also? I do know that Aristotle teachings back then
taught that things in the sky, like stars, moon, etc, had to be
hanging from something.
No they didn't know. And the bodies don't really "hang", but
it's close. Even Ptolomy in 300 AD thought everything went
around the earth. The heliocentric model wasn't accepted
until after Copernicus and Galileo, in the 1500s.
"Planets, the sun, the moon, and the stars were thought to be
physically pinned like jewels into transparent, rotating concentric
orbs centered on the Earth." (Aristotle teaching)
Aristotle said nature abhors a vacuum. Thus all of outerspace had to
be filled with things. (AI Overview)
Gravity keeps space from filling up. The vacuum wins.
Thank you for your replies, James, I appreciate your time,
effort and explanations.
Thank you for your beliefs.
On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 22:06:01 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
Professor of Egyptology J. A. Wilson stated,
oEgyptian records were always positive, emphasizing the successes of
Thus we shouldn't be the least bit surprised to not find any mention
of the Egyptians humiliating experience with the Israelites and their
exodus etc, in the ancient Egyptian writings remaining today. (Nor,
the highly involved Moses)
God appeared to Abraham (Gen 18)
Jacob saw God (Gen 32)
Moses spoke with God face to face, as to a
friend (Ex 33:11)
Moses, Aaron & 70 elders saw God (Ex 24)
God shows Moses his butt (Ex 33:23)
As illustrated by Michelangelo on the ceiling
of the Sistine Chapel:
<https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/michelangelo-warrior-pope-and-gods-bottom/>
See above.
Who did Mary and Mary Magdalene see at Jesus's tomb?
Show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
Matthew: They saw an angel.
Mark: a man.
Luke: two men.
John: two angels.
When there is multiple Bible statements on a subject, it is the
differing writing style of the writer. If Matthew said 1 angel, and
John says 2, then just put them together. Then there was certainly 1
angel according to John plus a 2nd one. Thus there were 2 angels seen.
Luke 24:4:
-- King James
Luke 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed
thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
Those "two men" were angels. How do we know? They had glowing cloths.
Also the women recodnized them as not being ordinary male Jews,
because of verse 5:
"-- King James
Luke 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the
earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?"
They wouldn't act that way if they were ordinary men.
The Bible tells us to REASON on the Scriptures. (Acts 17:2) If a
person doesn't reason on them, they can end up in the dark.
Here is the account in Luke: Luke 24:22-24 KJV:
22. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished,
which were early at the sepulchre;
23. And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they
had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24. And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre,
and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
So in Luke it wasn't 2 men but "angels", plural, which means at least
more than one.
Where ever was your source, don't fall for it. They tried to trick you thinking you are some kind of moron that can't reason on the
Scriptures
Thus in summary we have:
Matthew= An angel (he talked to just one angel, when there were two
present) (
Mark= Two angels (Luke said their cloths were glowing. Mark didn't
mention that and only recounts '1 glowing man' (angel) (Mark 15:46)
Luke= angels (Lu 24:23)
John= Two angels (John 20:12)
How did Judas die?
Please show me the Scriptures you are referring to.
I did recall a couple of Scriptures was needed to get to the truth.
Judas hanged himself over a cliff. Then the rope broke and he fell
spilling his guts out. But show me what you think.
Matthew 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Judas fell and his guts burst out.
Two separate narratives.
Do you believe Judas just ran up to a cliff and jumped off?
When we reason on it, its what I said above. Matthew highligted the
hanging, but Luke (the writer of Acts and a doctor), focused more on
the physiology of the man.
You see, the gospels were not just copied. They each wrote what an
account meant to them. Thus there was no collusion going on here.
Also from a previous post by Mitchell Holman:
194 Contradictions in the New Testament
<https://www.slideshare.net/salehusman585/194-contradiction-sin-the-new-testament-of-the-bible>
If you want to give them to me one at a time, I will comment on them.
I do recall a couple of Scriptures that Bible scholars say was copiest
errors in the OT. It had to do with quantaties. (like 1000 chariots,
or 10,000 chariots)
You can see them for yourself. How bout the first one,:
"1. Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Solomon.
Mt1:6.
Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Nathan.
Lk3:31"
Both Scriptures are correct. You might say, "How can they both be
correct when they are clearly a contradiction?"
Actually they are not a contradiction and here is why.
Matthew traces the geniology from Soloman to Joseph, Jesus step
father. This gave Jesus the LEGAL right to things.
Doctor Luke traces the geniology from Solomon to Mary's apparent
father, Heli. This gave Jesus the NATURAL right to things.
You are thinking God made physics. I think Nature did.
Yet 'nature', like evolution, has no brain! Yet it conjured up all the
forces to be used in a certain mathematical way to produce the
complicated laws of physics?? People put a lot of stock in random
chance.
And if that is true, you should be able to go into the woods and find
a log cabin completely furnished with furniture, all the plumbing, and
even electricity created by mindless nature.
That means there was a lot of water on the earth, and water canapy
above the earth. (high in the atmosphere) It was like Venus looks
today, except their clouds surrounding it are made up of sulfuric
acid, etc, instead of the earth's water vapor.
(I surely won't be sunbathing on Venus)
Canopy of water over earth is impossible. We're talking
29,000 feet of water being stored in the atmosphere. The
pressure would be greater than at the bottom of the ocean.
All that water (or vapor) would block the sunlight from
earth. The water would displace all the O2.
You are guessing about the possible outcomes. Let's try this:
Water weighs about 8 lbs per gallon. How much would the water weigh in
a hurricane. How can something so heavy still hang in the atmosphere?
If I take a gallon milk jug, and fill it with water, and throw it high
in the air, guess what happens?
(round earth hanging etc)
So in summary we have:
A spherical earth hanging in space by nothing.
Again, by the time most of the OT was written down, it was
already widely known that the earth was round. Certainly the
Greeks knew it when they translated the Septuagint.
How do you know?
Because they were educated greeks from Alexandria, a center
of learning. They knew that Aristotle proved the earth was
round in 400 BCE, and that Eristosthenes measured &
calculated the size of the earth in 240 BCE.
Good for him.
But the Bible outdates them. Isaiah ("the circle of the earth") was
written in the 8th century BCE.
The book of Job, around the 15th century BCE. ("hangs the earth upon nothing"). How would sheepherders of all people, know such things?
Thank you for your replies, James, I appreciate your time,
effort and explanations.
Thank you for your beliefs.
Anytime.
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