==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different
kinds of lifeforms,
but only random chance,
would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize?
(just
like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form
to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
God's word, the Bible,
says that each life form was created according--
to its "kind". (Ge 1:25) Thus, dogs started out as dogs as remain as
dogs. Horses as horses, ect. There can be a lot of variety within a
"kind". There are many different types of cats, dogs, ect. and they
can all interbreed, but only within their own kind.
Doesn't that pattern at least show some intelligence?
Since God put barriers between different families, it keeps the
different families or "kinds" as unique and thus won't crossbreed out
of existense. He did it so we can continue to enjoy or use them as
they originally are. (cats as cats, dogs as dogs, etc)
Isn't this approach at least, plausible, and worthy of more scientific
study?
Politics and religion.
What the Bible says.
Go to: jw.org (7/23/2026)
zebrabible@proton.me
At Thu, 23 Jul 2026 12:21:29 -0400, zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
Because they are different species.
Some species are related close enough to breed, such as a lion
and a tiger. Yes, that is a hybrid -- but a cat and a dog are
too far apart in their genetic lineage.
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different
kinds of lifeforms,
That isn't testable, so is outside the realm of science. But
go on...
but only random chance,
It's not "random chance", but natural selection, that drives a lot
of evolution.
Do you _not_ believe in artificial selection, such as the breeding
of sows to be around 200 lbs, vs. what they used to be, around 1000 lbs?
And so forth -- natural selection doesn't work by human agency, but
by factors such as environment.
would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize?
Since your predicate is mistaken, your conclusion does not logically
follow.
(just
like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form
to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
Species aren't "lower" or "higher", they are just "different".
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why would you think a house cat could breed with a lion?
House cat: Felis catus
Lion: Panthera leo
Tiger: Panthera tigris
Lions and tigers can breed -- but house cats are right out,
they aren't even the same genus.
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
God's word, the Bible,
According to the Bible, "God's word" -- _Logos_ -- is Jesus.
(John 1:1).
According to Heraclitus, _Logos_ is "the divine order".
Whoever wrote the fourth Gospel wanted to sound very Hellenic,
so tried to usurp a definition that had been in use for 5 centuries
before.
Anyway, I just wanted to address your misconceptions. Carry on.
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2says that each life form was created according
to its "kind". (Ge 1:25) Thus, dogs started out as dogs as remain as
dogs. Horses as horses, ect. There can be a lot of variety within a
"kind". There are many different types of cats, dogs, ect. and they
can all interbreed, but only within their own kind.
Doesn't that pattern at least show some intelligence?
Since God put barriers between different families, it keeps the
different families or "kinds" as unique and thus won't crossbreed out
of existense. He did it so we can continue to enjoy or use them as
they originally are. (cats as cats, dogs as dogs, etc)
Isn't this approach at least, plausible, and worthy of more scientific
study?
Politics and religion.
What the Bible says.
Go to: jw.org (7/23/2026)
zebrabible@proton.me
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 05:04:35 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different
kinds of lifeforms, but only random chance, would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize? (just
like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form
to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
You don't say why you'd expect common descent to
produce clades that can interbreed. Natural evolution
is based on what works, whatever the pathway there.
Since evolution has no brain, how does it know "what works".
Also, genetic mutations most of the time are negative. Yet we are told
that evolution kept refining things utill they worked.
How did evolution create a virus or bacteria, and a whale. The both
allegedly started from the same thing. A soup of varying molecules.
It's messy, not a tidy, organized, consistent process
like a human-like genetic designer might approach it.
Then where is all the intermediants it would have taken?
There should be billions of intermediants out there that didn't work.
Even the father of evolution found that to be a problem. He said,
"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of
such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious
and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." (The
Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin)
On the other hand you might also expect an aware
designer to occasionally start new "kinds" fresh from
the ground up. This is also not found in nature,
every new clade is genetically derivative of something
that came before it.
Yes, the virus and the whale. That idea works against common sense.
Different species generally use different parts of the
genome for a given function. A certain chromasome
location on one species doesn't necessarily serve the
same function as it would in another species. In fact
closely related species don't generally even have the
same number of chromasomes. Chimpanzees, for example,
have 24 pairs of chromasomes, while humans have 23.
Obviously they can't interbreed. OTOH, humans and
neanderthals did.
Here is the mother load. Evolution allegedly created the modern human
brain. One scientist called it the most 'complex thing in the
universe'. How could a brainless force come up with that that brain?
Also, since evolution is brainless, how did it know that eyes were
needed by most life forms. It had no idea that sight was possible. Electromagnetic waves of variouis frequencies had to be decoded in a
brain in order to 'see.' How about hearing. How did it know there was
sound waves, and then developed ears to decode the sound waves? Makes
no sense to me.
God's word, the Bible,
is not a biology textbook.
It is a religious book, that does branch off into scientific things occassionally.
For example what the Bible says about the cosmos. Around 2000 years
says that each life form was created according
to its "kind". (Ge 1:25) Thus, dogs started out as dogs as remain as
dogs. Horses as horses, ect. There can be a lot of variety within a
"kind". There are many different types of cats, dogs, ect. and they
can all interbreed, but only within their own kind.
Doesn't that pattern at least show some intelligence?
For example, a tiger and a lion can interbreed, because they are
within their "Kind". They are called "ligers" and "tigons".
But since a lion and a housecat CANNOT interbreed, the Bible has its
own versions of what a "kind" is.
No. If lions could interbreed with house cats, why
would that compromise the success of either species?
Since evolution is a psudo-science, It allegedly put
walls' up to keep a species going. Why would brainless evolution care
if new species formed? It doesn't care one way or the other. Yet it
put up those 'walls' on various lifeforms.
That was super intelligence to keep those species separate, not blind
chance.
Since God put barriers between different families, it keeps the
different families or "kinds" as unique and thus won't crossbreed out
of existense. He did it so we can continue to enjoy or use them as
they originally are. (cats as cats, dogs as dogs, etc)
Isn't this approach at least, plausible, and worthy of more scientific
study?
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 05:04:35 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different
kinds of lifeforms, but only random chance, would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize? (just
like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form
to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
You don't say why you'd expect common descent to
produce clades that can interbreed. Natural evolution
is based on what works, whatever the pathway there.
Since evolution has no brain, how does it know "what works".
Also, genetic mutations most of the time are negative. Yet we are told
that evolution kept refining things utill they worked.
How did evolution create a virus or bacteria, and a whale. The both
allegedly started from the same thing. A soup of varying molecules.
How is that related to why you'd expect common descent
to produce clades that can interbreed?
Evolution is a natural process, like weather. Since
weather has no brain, how does it know what hurricane
recipe works?
It's messy, not a tidy, organized, consistent process
like a human-like genetic designer might approach it.
Then where is all the intermediants it would have taken?
There should be billions of intermediants out there that didn't work.
Even the father of evolution found that to be a problem. He said,
"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of
such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such
finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious
and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." (The
Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin)
On the other hand you might also expect an aware
designer to occasionally start new "kinds" fresh from
the ground up. This is also not found in nature,
every new clade is genetically derivative of something
that came before it.
Yes, the virus and the whale. That idea works against common sense.
Sorry, that makes no sense. Unable to parse.
Different species generally use different parts of the
genome for a given function. A certain chromasome
location on one species doesn't necessarily serve the
same function as it would in another species. In fact
closely related species don't generally even have the
same number of chromasomes. Chimpanzees, for example,
have 24 pairs of chromasomes, while humans have 23.
Obviously they can't interbreed. OTOH, humans and
neanderthals did.
Here is the mother load. Evolution allegedly created the modern human
brain. One scientist called it the most 'complex thing in the
universe'. How could a brainless force come up with that that brain?
You tell me how the brain came about, without any
appeal to magic.
Also, since evolution is brainless, how did it know that eyes were
needed by most life forms. It had no idea that sight was possible.
Electromagnetic waves of variouis frequencies had to be decoded in a
brain in order to 'see.' How about hearing. How did it know there was
sound waves, and then developed ears to decode the sound waves? Makes
no sense to me.
God's word, the Bible,
is not a biology textbook.
It is a religious book, that does branch off into scientific things
occassionally.
For example what the Bible says about the cosmos. Around 2000 years
If you can't explain biblical biology, just say so. No
need to dive into the rabbit hole of biblical
cosmology to avoid the biology issue.
(snip)
says that each life form was created according
to its "kind". (Ge 1:25) Thus, dogs started out as dogs as remain as
dogs. Horses as horses, ect. There can be a lot of variety within a
"kind". There are many different types of cats, dogs, ect. and they
can all interbreed, but only within their own kind.
Doesn't that pattern at least show some intelligence?
For example, a tiger and a lion can interbreed, because they are
within their "Kind". They are called "ligers" and "tigons".
But since a lion and a housecat CANNOT interbreed, the Bible has its
own versions of what a "kind" is.
No. If lions could interbreed with house cats, why
would that compromise the success of either species?
Since evolution is a psudo-science, It allegedly put
You are assuming your conclusion. The truth doesn't
work that way.
walls' up to keep a species going. Why would brainless evolution care
if new species formed? It doesn't care one way or the other. Yet it
put up those 'walls' on various lifeforms.
The "walls" are because of the mechanics of the
chemistry of life, as I already explained. Not
because some godlike entity decided they were needed
to keep the races pure.
So, again, if lions could interbreed with house cats,
why would that compromise the success of either
species?
)
That was super intelligence to keep those species separate, not blind chance.
No. It's physics and chemistry, as already explained.
Since God put barriers between different families, it keeps the
Assuming your conclusion again.
God didn't put those barriers there.
different families or "kinds" as unique and thus won't crossbreed out
of existense. He did it so we can continue to enjoy or use them as
they originally are. (cats as cats, dogs as dogs, etc)
Why did God allow us to breed dogs from wolves?
Different species, yet they can interbreed *and* bear
fertile offspring!
Did God overlook something?
Isn't this approach at least, plausible, and worthy of more scientific
study?
We just studied it and found nothing there.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:37:49 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 05:04:35 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different >> >> kinds of lifeforms, but only random chance, would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize? (just >> >> like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form >> >> to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
You don't say why you'd expect common descent to
produce clades that can interbreed. Natural evolution
is based on what works, whatever the pathway there.
Since evolution has no brain, how does it know "what works".
Also, genetic mutations most of the time are negative. Yet we are told
that evolution kept refining things utill they worked.
How did evolution create a virus or bacteria, and a whale. The both
allegedly started from the same thing. A soup of varying molecules.
How is that related to why you'd expect common descent
to produce clades that can interbreed?
Because that force, called evolution, has no mind. It wouldn't care if
a species died out or not. It is blind, deaf, and dumb. Would you
expect a rock to create a computer? Of course not. Then how can you
expect evolution like that rock, (blind, deaf, and dumb), to create
marvelous complex structures like a human body that can produce
babies.
We are talking about very complex creations and relating them to the
skills of a rock.
Evolution is a natural process, like weather. Since
weather has no brain, how does it know what hurricane
recipe works?
It doesn't 'know' anything. It is just responding to the
meteorological physics at that time. Can we say a similar thing for evolution? Not at all.
We keep having hurricanes when the physics are right. But if evolution created all the life on earth, why isn't it still doing it? Have the evolutionary physics that created all the life forms, just stopped?
And what about planets and moons? If evolution existed, why not so
much of a microbe exists,
where on the earth it went bananas.
There are many life forms that have gone extinct. So the forces of
physics that originally created them no longer exists? When have you
ever seen natural physical laws cease to exist?
It's messy, not a tidy, organized, consistent process
like a human-like genetic designer might approach it.
Then where is all the intermediants it would have taken?
There should be billions of intermediants out there that didn't work.
Even the father of evolution found that to be a problem. He said,
"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of
such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such
finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious
and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." (The
Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin)
At least he was honest.
On the other hand you might also expect an aware
designer to occasionally start new "kinds" fresh from
the ground up. This is also not found in nature,
every new clade is genetically derivative of something
that came before it.
Yes, the virus and the whale. That idea works against common sense.
Sorry, that makes no sense. Unable to parse.
Both of those things likely came from the same source. Its like a
giraffe giving birth to a rabbit. It makes no sense.
But the main problem with their THEORY is the golden rule that in most
cases mutations produce deformities, and that they usually die before
their time. That would be like taking 1 step forward, and 2 steps
backward. Kind of hard to get to your destination that way.
Here is the mother load. Evolution allegedly created the modern human
brain. One scientist called it the most 'complex thing in the
universe'. How could a brainless force come up with that that brain?
You tell me how the brain came about, without any
appeal to magic.
In the Bible, Adam was created with a brain. All his parts were
created at once.
You can't expect to get to the truth, if you put limitations on my
answer. I just answer truthfully.
Also, since evolution is brainless, how did it know that eyes were
needed by most life forms. It had no idea that sight was possible.
Electromagnetic waves of variouis frequencies had to be decoded in a
brain in order to 'see.' How about hearing. How did it know there was
sound waves, and then developed ears to decode the sound waves? Makes
no sense to me.
For example what the Bible says about the cosmos. Around 2000 years
If you can't explain biblical biology, just say so. No
need to dive into the rabbit hole of biblical
cosmology to avoid the biology issue.
The intent was not to change the subject, but to help support what the
Bible says. How do you define "biblical biology? I have studied the
Bible for many years. I believe it to be truthful and trustworthy esp
when it comes to some natural sciences.(like the earth being defined
as a "circle" (Isa 40:22) hanging upon nothing. (Job 26:7)
(again)(snip)
You are assuming your conclusion. The truth doesn't
work that way.
True, you need evidence to support your conclusion.
I gave you some which you 'snipped' out. To put it all together:
So, again, if lions could interbreed with house cats,
why would that compromise the success of either
species?
It would create a new species. (like maybe a lion with a meek meow."
)
That was super intelligence to keep those species separate, not blind chance.
No. It's physics and chemistry, as already explained.
Well, we still have physics and chemistry, why don't we see a new
species or new life forms in their early beginnings? Where are all the intermediates? Even Darwin couldn't explain that.
Fight off sicknesses.
What can be done.
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:37:49 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 05:04:35 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different >> >> >> kinds of lifeforms, but only random chance, would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize? (just >> >> >> like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form >> >> >> to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the
various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
You don't say why you'd expect common descent to
produce clades that can interbreed. Natural evolution
is based on what works, whatever the pathway there.
Since evolution has no brain, how does it know "what works".
Also, genetic mutations most of the time are negative. Yet we are told
that evolution kept refining things utill they worked.
How did evolution create a virus or bacteria, and a whale. The both
allegedly started from the same thing. A soup of varying molecules.
How is that related to why you'd expect common descent
to produce clades that can interbreed?
Because that force, called evolution, has no mind. It wouldn't care if
Evolution is a process, or a mechanism.
Force has a
specific meaning, and this isn't it.
a species died out or not. It is blind, deaf, and dumb. Would you
expect a rock to create a computer? Of course not. Then how can you
expect evolution like that rock, (blind, deaf, and dumb), to create
marvelous complex structures like a human body that can produce
babies.
We are talking about very complex creations and relating them to the
skills of a rock.
I'm not sure how you leapt from evolution to rocks.
But you still don't say why you'd expect common
descent to produce clades that can interbreed.
Evolution is a natural process, like weather. Since
weather has no brain, how does it know what hurricane
recipe works?
It doesn't 'know' anything. It is just responding to the
meteorological physics at that time. Can we say a similar thing for
evolution? Not at all.
Exactly. Yes evolution and abiogenesis are physics in
action. More complicated than a hurricane, but
following the same fundamentals.
We keep having hurricanes when the physics are right. But if evolution
created all the life on earth, why isn't it still doing it? Have the
evolutionary physics that created all the life forms, just stopped?
Evolution is going on as we speak. It can be
observed. In fact Mitchell Holman in aa dilligently
compliled a list of direct observations of evolution
in action, which I copied here:
Evolution observed
https://tinyurl.com/yjv4w67u
https://tinyurl.com/y68hcy8w
https://tinyurl.com/2u66rnae
https://tinyurl.com/wtzsmh43
https://tinyurl.com/55jmce52
https://tinyurl.com/5c5e3zvm
https://tinyurl.com/3bvdxjtp
And what about planets and moons? If evolution existed, why not so
much of a microbe exists,
You don't know that. There's no reason to assume no
life on other planets, but you are.
where on the earth it went bananas.
There are many life forms that have gone extinct. So the forces of
physics that originally created them no longer exists? When have you
ever seen natural physical laws cease to exist?
Sorry, you're bouncing off the wall here. Focus on 1
thing at a time.
It's messy, not a tidy, organized, consistent process
like a human-like genetic designer might approach it.
Then where is all the intermediants it would have taken?
There should be billions of intermediants out there that didn't work.
Even the father of evolution found that to be a problem. He said,
"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of
such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such
finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious
and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." (The
Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin)
At least he was honest.
And abundantly cautious. As it turns out, he was
mostly right.
On the other hand you might also expect an aware
designer to occasionally start new "kinds" fresh from
the ground up. This is also not found in nature,
every new clade is genetically derivative of something
that came before it.
Yes, the virus and the whale. That idea works against common sense.
Sorry, that makes no sense. Unable to parse.
Both of those things likely came from the same source. Its like a
giraffe giving birth to a rabbit. It makes no sense.
Virus is a poor example because it's not necessarily
alive.
ancestors. But their lineage is very different. Why
is this hard to accept? (Rhetorical question -- we
both know the answer.)
But the main problem with their THEORY is the golden rule that in most
cases mutations produce deformities, and that they usually die before
their time. That would be like taking 1 step forward, and 2 steps
backward. Kind of hard to get to your destination that way.
The dying out of disadvantageous mutations is why they
disappear. That's natural selection.
Evolution process:
1. Mutation or other genetic variation
2. Natural selection by survival
Evolution has evolved us the ability to evolve. That's
everywhere in biology. Do you know why we have sexual
reproduction?
Because it makes evolution happen!
(snip chimps & neanderthals)
In the Bible, Adam was created with a brain. All his parts wereHere is the mother load. Evolution allegedly created the modern human
brain. One scientist called it the most 'complex thing in the
universe'. How could a brainless force come up with that that brain?
You tell me how the brain came about, without any
appeal to magic.
created at once. He had a full language, and knowledge how to survive where he was at. He didn't start off as a caveman with grunts and groans etc.
You can't expect to get to the truth, if you put limitations on my
answer. I just answer truthfully.
Say it without limitation, but the evidence just
doesn't support that. That's why you don't have any.
Also, since evolution is brainless, how did it know that eyes were
needed by most life forms. It had no idea that sight was possible.
Electromagnetic waves of variouis frequencies had to be decoded in a
brain in order to 'see.' How about hearing. How did it know there was
sound waves, and then developed ears to decode the sound waves? Makes
no sense to me.
There's no need for me to defend your own strawmen.
Give me a break, James.
For example what the Bible says about the cosmos. Around 2000 years
If you can't explain biblical biology, just say so. No
need to dive into the rabbit hole of biblical
cosmology to avoid the biology issue.
The intent was not to change the subject, but to help support what the
I refused to go down that rabbit hole, then I went
down it in another thread.
Bible says. How do you define "biblical biology? I have studied the
Bible for many years. I believe it to be truthful and trustworthy esp
when it comes to some natural sciences.(like the earth being defined
as a "circle" (Isa 40:22) hanging upon nothing. (Job 26:7)
That's great. You haven't studied biology since high
school, have you.
(again)(snip)
You are assuming your conclusion. The truth doesn't
work that way.
True, you need evidence to support your conclusion.
I gave you some which you 'snipped' out. To put it all together:
Right. I don't do 300 line posts, especially if 250
lines are irrelevant quoted material.
Show some mercy upon your reader, if any.
So, again, if lions could interbreed with house cats,
why would that compromise the success of either
species?
It would create a new species. (like maybe a lion with a meek meow."
)
So? If the new species is successful, great!
That was super intelligence to keep those species separate, not blind chance.
No. It's physics and chemistry, as already explained.
Well, we still have physics and chemistry, why don't we see a new
species or new life forms in their early beginnings? Where are all the
intermediates? Even Darwin couldn't explain that.
Transitional species are all around us. We are
transitional species.
(snip wolfdog diversion)
Fight off sicknesses.
What can be done.
Get vaxxed today!
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 22:23:47 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:37:49 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 05:04:35 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
==Questions for Evolutionists==
Why is there a "genetic wall" (sterility) between the different
'families' of lifeforms; dogs cannot produce offspring from cats,
horses from ducks, ants from grasshoppers, ect, ect, ect.?
If no super intelligence was behind the formations of these different
kinds of lifeforms, but only random chance, would not a person
logically expect that most of these would be able to hybridize? (just
like one would expect a supposedly close lower form and a higher form
to hybridize; for ex. ape and human.)
But they can't under NATURAL conditions. Only varieties within the >> >> >> various kinds can reproduce. (like house cats with lions, etc)
Why not try a reasonable approach that fits in with the true
scientific knowledge of today?
You don't say why you'd expect common descent to
produce clades that can interbreed. Natural evolution
is based on what works, whatever the pathway there.
Since evolution has no brain, how does it know "what works".
Also, genetic mutations most of the time are negative. Yet we are told >> >> that evolution kept refining things utill they worked.
How did evolution create a virus or bacteria, and a whale. The both
allegedly started from the same thing. A soup of varying molecules.
How is that related to why you'd expect common descent
to produce clades that can interbreed?
Because that force, called evolution, has no mind. It wouldn't care if
Evolution is a process, or a mechanism.
When have you ever seen a robot built by zero IQ processes? When have
you seen a complicated mechanism like the human body built from
something with a zero IQ? You have got to be smarter than that.
Force has a
specific meaning, and this isn't it.
That's your definition, not mine. What is a "force"?
"AI Overview
A "force" in the context of technology usually refers to an enterprise
AI platform like HCLTech, a specialized government/military committee,
or a physics push or pull. "
A "physics push or pull describes evolution to the tee.
But you still don't say why you'd expect common
descent to produce clades that can interbreed.
If the zero IQ of evolution created all natural things, How did it
know to prevent 'walls' of breeding like between dogs and cats so as
to keep the species intact?
It's like money.
Evolution is a natural process, like weather. Since
weather has no brain, how does it know what hurricane
recipe works?
It doesn't 'know' anything. It is just responding to the
meteorological physics at that time. Can we say a similar thing for
evolution? Not at all.
Exactly. Yes evolution and abiogenesis are physics in
action. More complicated than a hurricane, but
following the same fundamentals.
See right below.
We keep having hurricanes when the physics are right. But if evolution
created all the life on earth, why isn't it still doing it? Have the
evolutionary physics that created all the life forms, just stopped?
Evolution is going on as we speak. It can be
observed. In fact Mitchell Holman in aa dilligently
compliled a list of direct observations of evolution
in action, which I copied here:
Evolution observed
https://tinyurl.com/yjv4w67u
The peppered moth was designed to respond to its environment. BUT
NOTICE, THEY STILL REMAINED MOTHS. They didn't turn into birds or
something.
Dogs remain dogs, moths remain moths. If you want to call that
something, that is microevolution. I am discussing macroevolution,
where the species turned into a totally different species. And where
are the transitional's? Darwin couldn't find them. That is because
they didn't exist in the strata to start with.
https://tinyurl.com/y68hcy8w
He didn't say his "new species" wasn't still a bacteria, just
different. That is microevolution and it happens all the time. And it
doesn't go against the Bible. But macroevolution does.
https://tinyurl.com/2u66rnae
If I read it right, they still remained bacteria; microevolution.
https://tinyurl.com/wtzsmh43
Those finches may have changed a bit, like growing different beaks
etc. (microevolution) But they still remained finches.
But just one more thing. Humans in a lab could create a whole new
species from a different one. But that takes a high IQ to accomplish
that. They could change the inner working of a cell and make it
something different. But such changes cannot work in nature.
And what about planets and moons? If evolution existed, why not so
much of a microbe exists,
You don't know that. There's no reason to assume no
life on other planets, but you are.
You do have a point here. I was just thinking about all the
explorations we have done so far. I certainly do not know what all the
rest of the universe is like. Notice:
"Scientists have formally catalogued approximately 2.1 million to 2.5
million living species on Earth. However, researchers estimate that
there are actually around 8.7 million total species (with estimates
ranging from 5 million to over 10 million)." (AI Overview)
SO-CALLED EVOLUTION WENT CRAZY HERE ON THE EARTH WITH OVER 8 MILLION DIFFERENT LIFE FORMS.
With prolific evolution going nuts here, did something shut off the
spigot? So far not even a microbe has been found outside the earth.
What happened?
"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of >> >> such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such
finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious >> >> and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." (The
Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin)
On the other hand you might also expect an aware
designer to occasionally start new "kinds" fresh from
the ground up. This is also not found in nature,
every new clade is genetically derivative of something
that came before it.
Yes, the virus and the whale. That idea works against common sense.
Sorry, that makes no sense. Unable to parse.
Both of those things likely came from the same source. Its like a
giraffe giving birth to a rabbit. It makes no sense.
Virus is a poor example because it's not necessarily
alive.
Good point. I guess I should have used a protozoa.
Bacteria and whale? They have distant common
ancestors. But their lineage is very different. Why
is this hard to accept? (Rhetorical question -- we
both know the answer.)
How do you get from a bacteria to a whale. It would have to be
mutation upon mutation upon mutation upon mutation, etc. With so many mutations the thing shouldn't even exist!
Evolution has evolved us the ability to evolve. That's
everywhere in biology. Do you know why we have sexual
reproduction?
Yes, for the most part because it feels so good. And secondly, because
the couple want an offspring.
Because it makes evolution happen!
Only for non-believers.
And, what about life from non-life. (abiogenesis) It would take high
tech humans to make such a thing possible. And we know that life
always comes from previous life.
If you take off your evolutionary glasses, you will be able to see
more clearly.
Also, since evolution is brainless, how did it know that eyes were
needed by most life forms. It had no idea that sight was possible.
Electromagnetic waves of variouis frequencies had to be decoded in a
brain in order to 'see.' How about hearing. How did it know there was >> >> sound waves, and then developed ears to decode the sound waves? Makes >> >> no sense to me.
There's no need for me to defend your own strawmen.
Give me a break, James.
That is not a direct answer to my questions. (of course you don't have
to answer) You and your comrades seem talk about evolution having an
IQ above zero. Actually evolution has a frigid absolute zero.
So, what to you mean by "biblical biology"?
Bible says. How do you define "biblical biology? I have studied the
Bible for many years. I believe it to be truthful and trustworthy esp
when it comes to some natural sciences.(like the earth being defined
as a "circle" (Isa 40:22) hanging upon nothing. (Job 26:7)
That's great. You haven't studied biology since high
school, have you.
Nor have I studied calculus or electronical engineering and a million
other things. My 'higher learning' did not consist of anything
scientific, which I wish I had done.
So yes, my biology studies have not been upgraded. But what about you.
You haven't put much study into the doctrines of the Bible, based on
your statements.
Looks like you have caught 'snipping fever'. I prefer discussing
everything said to me. But each their own.
You are assuming your conclusion. The truth doesn't
work that way.
True, you need evidence to support your conclusion.
I gave you some which you 'snipped' out. To put it all together:
Right. I don't do 300 line posts, especially if 250
lines are irrelevant quoted material.
If you just snip out quoted material, how did you ever get through
your schooling. Text books, including biology books, quote all the
time to support their information. You could be missing a lot if you
go by that plan.
Do you quote Einstein when discussing antimatter etc?
Show some mercy upon your reader, if any.
You are in the majority class. We sometimes get violent reactions to
our Bible teachings, esp in other countries. But the Bible warns us to
be prepared for such.
So, again, if lions could interbreed with house cats,
why would that compromise the success of either
species?
It would create a new species. (like maybe a lion with a meek meow."
)
So? If the new species is successful, great!
That was super intelligence to keep those species separate, not blind chance.
No. It's physics and chemistry, as already explained.
Well, we still have physics and chemistry, why don't we see a new
species or new life forms in their early beginnings?
Where are all the
intermediates? Even Darwin couldn't explain that.
Transitional species are all around us. We are
transitional species.
Then Darwin must have been blind. He couldn't find much in the strata
that he studied.
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