• Re: Listing of Christian cliches

    From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Sat Sep 26 12:33:32 2026
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    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 02:24:07 +1000, Kitten <kitten@localhost> wrote:

    Many Christians love to push out cliches! Here is a list of them: https://christiancliches.com .


    ***01: God will provide: This one can be well-meaning or can function
    as a type of convenient dismissal of the person's needs (especially
    financial). Basically, it's like saying "I don't want to give you any
    money, it's God's problem not mine". Not very helpful! There is
    actually no rule that God will necessarily provide anything. Even
    Christians can, and do, live and die on the streets, in abject
    poverty.

    The Bible doesn't claim to protect you from anything bad, right now.
    But that will become a reality in the future.

    -- King James
    1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he
    that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    But true Christians know that things right now, can get bad:

    -- New King James
    Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned and saw under the sun that The race is
    not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise,
    nor riches to men of understanding, nor favor to men of skill; but
    time and chance happen to them all.

    ***v02: They're in a better place now: There is nothing like
    bereavement to get the cliches flying! This is a common one in that
    context and needless to say, is scarcely comforting. To some extent,
    people seem to use it for lack of anything better to say.o use it for
    lack of anything better to say.

    When you die, you go into your grave. And that's it, till the
    resurrection.

    -- New King James
    Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead
    know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

    Notice, "the dead know nothing,". That wouldn't be true if right after
    death the person lived on somewhere.

    -- New King James
    Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your
    might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the
    grave where you are going.

    When you die, you just go to your 'grave'. In that place, there is no
    knowledge or wisdom. All your knowledge has been erased.

    -- King James
    Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
    that very day his thoughts perish.

    Try to think of things without any knowledge. That is the state of a
    dead person. Jesus referred to the dead as "sleeping". That wouldn't
    be true if the person lived on after death: Luke 8:52,53.

    "52. And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is
    not dead, but sleepeth.
    53. And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead." (KJV)

    That is why the dead CANNOT praise God.

    -- New King James
    Psalms 115:17 The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor any who go down
    into silence.

    That wouldn't be true if the dead lived on right away.
    So what is the hope for the dead?

    -- King James
    Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also
    allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the
    just and unjust.

    Why isn't the dead "unjust", not burning in a hellfire? That is
    because they are in their silent graves awaiting the resurrection.

    ***03: God will heal: This one often comes out when someone is
    seriously ill or in hospital. Thing is, God does not necessarily heal. Therefore, it can amount to trying to support someone with vacuous
    hope.

    Not always true. Recall that Scripture above:

    -- American Standard
    Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is
    not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to
    the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men
    of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

    ***04: The Lord is in everything: Sometimes also stated as "Everything
    that happens is God", it implies that absolutely every occurrence is
    caused by God. Some people even go so far as to think God appoints
    times for light bulbs to blow around the house! If your Internet goes
    down, it's because God is knocking you offline! This cliche can also
    have an unfortunate, darker side, such as implying that if someone
    successfully commits suicide, it was God's will (otherwise God would
    have intervened to block it). In this sense, it absolves the one
    saying it of any responsibility since in that view, their failure to
    act was only God's will playing out. This is a pretty dreadful thing
    to say under such circumstances! It can also be stated as "God allows
    evil". This cliche is similar to the next o

    Again "but time and chance happeneth to them all." (KJV)

    God let's random chance to occur.

    ***05: Everything happens for a reason: This overused line (like the
    previous one) often gets trotted out in times of crisis. Simple fact
    is, the world is full of random occurrences that don't necessarily
    have a reason. Also, evil is a very real force in the world and it
    sometimes makes its presence felt in rather ugly ways! While good may
    sometimes come from a terrible event, it isn't necessarily part of any overarching master plan. Sometimes bad things just happen for no good
    reason at all! Another version of this line is "Bad things happen to
    good people". (See item #81).

    ***06: Life isn't fair!: This one-liner likes to surface when bad
    things happen, whether minor or major. It doesn't help much. A far
    better idea is to try to make the world a fairer place instead.
    Christians should work to address all forms of unfairness in the
    world.

    Again, this one answers both of the above:

    "but time and chance happeneth to them all." (KJV)

    41 Happy is anyone who shows consideration to the lowly one Jehovah
    will rescue him in the day of calamity. (Ps 41:1; NWT)

    There is too many to answer this morning like I did above, so I will
    cut it short.

    ***08: You can be pitiful or powerful:
    Mark 12:31.

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    Help put the fire out in Hellfire.
    God is not a sadist but a God of love. (1 John 4:8)









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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Sat Sep 26 14:14:56 2026
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    This nit-picker feigns indignation over cliches while he promotes the
    most blatant, gospel denying lies and heresy. "Jehovah's Witnesses"
    (Satan's Witnesses) promote a false gospel which denies Jesus is God,
    and claims men can be saved from eternal, conscious torment while
    rejecting Christ as Savior. This is a SOUL DAMNING LIE which results in
    the very eternal, conscious torment they feign indignation over, for
    anyone who believes their constant, Bible-contradicting lies!
    --
    Good News rCa

    Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

    The true gospel that saves declares that Christ died for our sins and
    rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). Every
    alternative gospel is a lie that leads to conscious, eternal torment in
    the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36; Revelation 14:9-11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). If you refuse to believe Jesus
    is God, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

    Our offense against God was completely paid for when Christ died on the
    cross (Colossians 2:14), and God openly proved this by raising Him to
    life (Romans 1:4). Because of this sacrifice, God upholds His justice
    while granting us forgiveness (Romans 3:26) and safety from the wrath to
    come (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This rescue is a gift of pure grace for
    those who believe (Romans 6:23). Call on the Lord in faith to receive
    His salvation (Romans 10:9-13):

    How to be saved: christrose.news/salvation
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 27 13:39:00 2026
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    Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:

    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    ***05: Everything happens for a reason: This overused line (like the previous one) often gets trotted out in times of crisis. Simple fact
    is, the world is full of random occurrences that don't necessarily
    have a reason.

    In fact, at the teensy tiny sub-atomic level, everything is
    substantially random. Statistically it tends to even out at
    the level we are familiar with, but not completely.
    Microscopic things percolate up, like the butterfly flapping
    its wings in China and causing a hurricane to change course.

    The universe is not so causal after all.

    Also, evil is a very real force in the world and it
    sometimes makes its presence felt in rather ugly ways! While good may sometimes come from a terrible event, it isn't necessarily part of any overarching master plan. Sometimes bad things just happen for no good reason at all! Another version of this line is "Bad things happen to
    good people". (See item #81).

    True, but bad things seem to happen to bad people more.

    Another illusion that Christians come under (though it's
    not a cliche) is that they may spend their golden years
    in carefree retirement:

    Luke 12:19-21
    19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much
    goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat,
    drink, and be merry.
    20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy
    soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall
    those things be, which thou hast provided?
    21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself,
    and is not rich toward God.
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