• Cavemen. Did they really exist?

    From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Thu Sep 24 21:16:39 2026
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    Cavemen. Did they really exist?

    It was unlikely they lived in caves, because they are cold and damp
    and house wild animals such as bears and lions. They actually built
    huts and such from animal hides, or wood, or mammoth bones. (AI
    Overview)

    The Bible shows that Adam and Eve spoke a language, and Adam even
    recited poetry. (Gen 2:23) Thus the Bible showed that humans started
    out with abilities like we have today. THERE WERE NO STEREOTYPE
    CAVEMEN. That is macroevolution showing its ugly head of lies.

    If you want real truths, the Bible is the answer. (John 17:17)

    Did you know the Bible described the earth as round (spherical), (Isa
    40:22), and floating in a void. (Job 26:7) This at a time when they
    believed the earth rested upon elephants, or a flat earth, etc.

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Thu Sep 24 23:21:46 2026
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    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    Cavemen. Did they really exist?

    It was unlikely they lived in caves, because they are cold and damp
    and house wild animals such as bears and lions. They actually built
    huts and such from animal hides, or wood, or mammoth bones. (AI
    Overview)

    Then how do you explain cave paintings, human-made artifacts,
    remnants of campfires, bones of game animals that were
    butchered, cooked, and eaten, and occasionally human remains,
    all being frequently found in caves?


    The Bible shows that Adam and Eve spoke a language, and Adam even
    recited poetry. (Gen 2:23) Thus the Bible showed that humans started
    out with abilities like we have today. THERE WERE NO STEREOTYPE
    CAVEMEN. That is macroevolution showing its ugly head of lies.

    You are misinterpreting passages that are allegorical, not
    literal. If you cling to a literal Genesis, you are setting
    yourself up for inevitable theological failure.

    There were obviously humans who lived in caves, probably on a
    transient or seasonal basis. Stereotypes would be like the
    Geico cavemen.

    If you want real truths, the Bible is the answer. (John 17:17)

    Did you know the Bible described the earth as round (spherical), (Isa
    40:22), and floating in a void. (Job 26:7) This at a time when they
    believed the earth rested upon elephants, or a flat earth, etc.

    The bible describes earth in different ways, but in most
    cases it's clearly a flat earth cosmology. In your "round"
    case it more likely meant circular than spherical.
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Fri Sep 25 13:44:13 2026
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    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:21:46 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    Cavemen. Did they really exist?

    It was unlikely they lived in caves, because they are cold and damp
    and house wild animals such as bears and lions. They actually built
    huts and such from animal hides, or wood, or mammoth bones. (AI
    Overview)

    Then how do you explain cave paintings, human-made artifacts,
    remnants of campfires, bones of game animals that were
    butchered, cooked, and eaten, and occasionally human remains,
    all being frequently found in caves?

    According to the Bible, mankind started off much like we are. They
    had a sophisticated language as well as some built-in knowledge such
    as farming, etc.

    Thus, those who drew cave pictures were not morons. They had much
    of the capabilities we have today, as far as their bodies went.

    AI Overview did not say no one lived in caves, but that it was
    "unlikely". Ancient artifacts have also been found outside of caves,
    such as ancient huts of various compositions. As AI Overview wrote:

    "Ancient humans built open-air shelters like stone windbreaks, brush
    huts, tents, and pit-houses when caves were not available. For most of
    human history, people lived out in the open. Caves were often damp,
    unsafe, or far from food and water.
    Early humans used clever engineering and local materials to build
    their homes.

    Also, before modern technology, the ancient Egyptians built pyramids.
    We still don't know exactly how they did it. And when you do the math,
    it doesn't make any sense. They would have had to install a massive
    carved rock every couple of minutes to make it during the time line:

    "Yes, to build the Great Pyramid of Giza in about 20 years, builders
    had to place roughly one 2.5-ton stone block every two minutes around
    the clock." (AI Overview)

    We couldn't do that pace with modern machines. So how did they do it?



    The Bible shows that Adam and Eve spoke a language, and Adam even
    recited poetry. (Gen 2:23) Thus the Bible showed that humans started
    out with abilities like we have today. THERE WERE NO STEREOTYPE
    CAVEMEN. That is macroevolution showing its ugly head of lies.

    You are misinterpreting passages that are allegorical, not
    literal. If you cling to a literal Genesis, you are setting
    yourself up for inevitable theological failure.

    I see you haven't studied the Bible in much depth. All through the 66
    books of the Bible, some Scriptures are literal and some are symbolic.
    Usually, context shows which way it is to go. And Revelation is the
    most symbolic book of the 66 books.

    Concerning early Genesis, much of it is literal. If you have any
    questions about it, I'll see what I can find.


    There were obviously humans who lived in caves, probably on a
    transient or seasonal basis. Stereotypes would be like the
    Geico cavemen.

    The Geico cavemen were Neanderthals, which they found out were much
    like us physically.

    For example, Professor Ralph Holloway of Columbia University in the
    BBC program "Horizon: Neanderthal". [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/neanderthal_trans.shtml], said that when comparing the skull of the Neanderthal man with that of
    a modern human:

    "The first thing that really grabs your attention I think is its size,
    it's much bigger, and significantly so than the normal modern human
    homo sapient's brain....the shape of the frontal lobe is really
    absolutely no different than what you find in the modern homo
    sapien's. So the prefrontal portions that are supposed to be dealing
    with very complex cognitive functioning, and so forth, are thereabout
    identical between Neanderthals and modern homo sapiens. So this I
    think should lead to the idea that basically their cognitive abilities
    are the same as our own."


    If you want real truths, the Bible is the answer. (John 17:17)

    Did you know the Bible described the earth as round (spherical), (Isa
    40:22), and floating in a void. (Job 26:7) This at a time when they
    believed the earth rested upon elephants, or a flat earth, etc.

    The bible describes earth in different ways, but in most
    cases it's clearly a flat earth cosmology. In your "round"
    case it more likely meant circular than spherical.

    The Hebrew word used there is "hhug", which some Bible
    Scholars say means "spherical". Have you researched it? If no, then
    you are missing the point. Yes, the Bible at times uses hyperboles. So
    do we. For example do you criticize NASA?

    From a NASA web page promoting its "Passport to Knowledge Project", it
    makes the following statement:

    "Electronic field-trips via television, print and telecomputing take
    students on adventures to the ends of the Earth, to the bottom of the
    oceans and out into space." (http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/antarctica/passport.html)

    Is NASA saying the earth has "ends", thus is flat or cubical? I am
    sure you don't conclude they meant that literally, and neither should
    you conclude the Bible is literal all the time. You have look at the
    context, and other related verses etc, to determine literalness or
    not. Isn't that a fair way to interpret the Bible?

    " How Can the Bible Help You?
    Find out with our free interactive Bible study program."
    Go to: jw.org (9/25/2026)
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Fri Sep 25 12:53:21 2026
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    Thu, 24 Sep 2026 21:16:39 -0400,
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    Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

    It was unlikely they lived in caves...

    Genesis 19:30

    "And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his
    two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he
    dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters."

    Judges 6:2

    "And the hand of Midian prevailed against Israel: and because of
    the Midianites the children of Israel made them the dens which
    are in the mountains, and caves, and strong holds."

    1 Samuel 22:1-2

    "David therefore departed thence, and escaped to the cave
    Adullam: and when his brethren and all his father's house heard
    it, they went down thither to him. And every one that was in
    distress, and every one that was in debt, and every one that was
    discontented, gathered themselves unto him; and he became a
    captain over them: and there were with him about four hundred
    men."

    1 Kings 19:9

    "And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold,
    the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What
    doest thou here, Elijah?"

    Job 30:5-6

    "They were driven forth from among men, (they cried after them as
    after a thief;) to dwell in the cliffs of the valleys, in caves
    of the earth, and in the rocks."

    Hebrews 11:37-38

    "They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were
    slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and
    goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the
    world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in
    mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth."


    If you want real truths, the Bible is the answer. (John 17:17)


    Take your own advice, hypocrite. Satan's Witnesses ("Jehovah's
    Witnesses") do their best to confuse and twist the Bible to promote a
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    modification of this gospel is false and leads to conscious, eternal
    torment in the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36;
    Revelation 14:11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). Unless you
    believe Jesus is God, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

    Jesus took our place on the cross to settle our debt with God
    (Colossians 2:14), and God confirmed the acceptance of this payment by
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    justifying the ungodly (Romans 3:26) and shielding them from future
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christian.bible,alt.christnet.bible on Fri Sep 25 20:46:50 2026
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    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 23:21:46 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    Cavemen. Did they really exist?

    It was unlikely they lived in caves, because they are cold and damp
    and house wild animals such as bears and lions. They actually built
    huts and such from animal hides, or wood, or mammoth bones. (AI
    Overview)

    Then how do you explain cave paintings, human-made artifacts,
    remnants of campfires, bones of game animals that were
    butchered, cooked, and eaten, and occasionally human remains,
    all being frequently found in caves?

    According to the Bible, mankind started off much like we are. They
    had a sophisticated language as well as some built-in knowledge such
    as farming, etc.

    You mean farming is instinctive to humans, not learned?


    Thus, those who drew cave pictures were not morons. They had much
    of the capabilities we have today, as far as their bodies went.

    The first cave art was made by chewing up purple berries,
    then spitting it onto the cave wall with their hand held in
    front of it. Voila, a hand outline! The cave women just
    rolled their eyes and wondered what civilization had wrought.

    They were pre-humans, btw, not homo sapiens.


    AI Overview did not say no one lived in caves, but that it was
    "unlikely". Ancient artifacts have also been found outside of caves,
    such as ancient huts of various compositions. As AI Overview wrote:

    "Ancient humans built open-air shelters like stone windbreaks, brush
    huts, tents, and pit-houses when caves were not available. For most of
    human history, people lived out in the open. Caves were often damp,
    unsafe, or far from food and water.
    Early humans used clever engineering and local materials to build
    their homes.

    They lived in both caves and manmade structures, and slept
    outside a lot. They took any opportunity to get out of the
    weather.


    Also, before modern technology, the ancient Egyptians built pyramids.
    We still don't know exactly how they did it. And when you do the math,
    it doesn't make any sense. They would have had to install a massive
    carved rock every couple of minutes to make it during the time line:

    "Yes, to build the Great Pyramid of Giza in about 20 years, builders
    had to place roughly one 2.5-ton stone block every two minutes around
    the clock." (AI Overview)

    We couldn't do that pace with modern machines. So how did they do it?

    Yes, if you don't know how they did it, then Goddidit.
    Probably by sending aliens with tractor beams and D8's.


    The Bible shows that Adam and Eve spoke a language, and Adam even
    recited poetry. (Gen 2:23) Thus the Bible showed that humans started
    out with abilities like we have today. THERE WERE NO STEREOTYPE
    CAVEMEN. That is macroevolution showing its ugly head of lies.

    You are misinterpreting passages that are allegorical, not
    literal. If you cling to a literal Genesis, you are setting
    yourself up for inevitable theological failure.

    I see you haven't studied the Bible in much depth. All through the 66
    books of the Bible, some Scriptures are literal and some are symbolic. Usually, context shows which way it is to go. And Revelation is the
    most symbolic book of the 66 books.

    Actually I am learning from what you told me. Any scripture
    that doesn't make sense is allegorical. Like earth being
    created before the sun & stars, and having daylight without
    the sun.


    Concerning early Genesis, much of it is literal. If you have any
    questions about it, I'll see what I can find.


    There were obviously humans who lived in caves, probably on a
    transient or seasonal basis. Stereotypes would be like the
    Geico cavemen.

    The Geico cavemen were Neanderthals, which they found out were much
    like us physically.

    For example, Professor Ralph Holloway of Columbia University in the
    BBC program "Horizon: Neanderthal". [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/neanderthal_trans.shtml], said that when comparing the skull of the Neanderthal man with that of
    a modern human:

    "The first thing that really grabs your attention I think is its size,
    it's much bigger, and significantly so than the normal modern human
    homo sapient's brain....the shape of the frontal lobe is really
    absolutely no different than what you find in the modern homo
    sapien's. So the prefrontal portions that are supposed to be dealing
    with very complex cognitive functioning, and so forth, are thereabout identical between Neanderthals and modern homo sapiens. So this I
    think should lead to the idea that basically their cognitive abilities
    are the same as our own."

    Neanderthal brains got bigger after they started
    interbreeding with humans. I'm not sure if they were really
    humans, but there were several species of homonids.

    Java Man was barely 3 feet tall, with a brain a third the
    size of ours.


    If you want real truths, the Bible is the answer. (John 17:17)

    Did you know the Bible described the earth as round (spherical), (Isa
    40:22), and floating in a void. (Job 26:7) This at a time when they
    believed the earth rested upon elephants, or a flat earth, etc.

    The bible describes earth in different ways, but in most
    cases it's clearly a flat earth cosmology. In your "round"
    case it more likely meant circular than spherical.

    The Hebrew word used there is "hhug", which some Bible
    Scholars say means "spherical". Have you researched it?

    Yes, you've pointed it out 3 times. Have you researched the
    verses that refer to a flat earth?

    Was Satan's temptation of Jesus in the desert an allegorical
    thing, or did it really happen?

    What about the earth's foundation? And the Firmament?

    If no, then
    you are missing the point. Yes, the Bible at times uses hyperboles. So
    do we. For example do you criticize NASA?

    Already discussed. Remember?

    Do you believe the pre-human homonids existed? Are their
    bones real too, or a hoax, or what?

    Do you agree that the earth is billions of years old? Or
    6,000 years old as the bible suggests?
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