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Michael is Jesus?

-- An early 1800's non-JW Bible scholar named E.W.Hengstenberg in a
book said Jesus was Michael.

--Thus 'Michael is Jesus' is not an invention of JW's.

--Michael is the "prince" of the Israelites.
--Jesus is also the "prince of peace". (Isa 9:6)

--Michael is the only archangel mentioned in Bible.
--The word archangel is never plural. ONLY SINGULAR.

--Archangel means "chief of the angels".
--Other than God, Jesus is only person over angels.

--Paul makes a connection of archangel with Jesus. (1 Thess 4:16)
--Says Jesus will have an archangel's voice.
--Since Jesus is greater than Michael, it wouldn't be proper to
compare him with a subordinate.

It would be like President Trump speaking like a homeless person.

It has some interesting coincidences, right?

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Jesus Christ Is Not Michael the Archangel

Scripture Explicitly Separates Jesus Christ from All Angelic Beings

"For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son, today I
have begotten you'? Or again, 'I will be to him a father, and he shall
be to me a son'?" (Hebrews 1:5 ESV).

God never addressed any angel as His Son in this unique, eternal sense.
If Jesus were an angel or archangel, this inspired rhetorical question
would be meaningless.

"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let
all God's angels worship him.'" (Hebrews 1:6 ESV).

All the angels of God are commanded to worship Jesus Christ. The
archangel Michael is an angel, and therefore Michael himself is
commanded by God the Father to worship Jesus Christ. A creature does not worship himself, nor does God command an angel to worship another angel.

"But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the
scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.'" (Hebrews 1:8 ESV).

The Father calls the Son "God" and assigns to Him an everlasting throne.
God never says this to any angel.

"And to which of the angels has he ever said, 'Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet'? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to
inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1:13-14 ESV).

All angels without exception are defined as "ministering spirits"
created to serve. In contrast, Jesus Christ sits as sovereign at the
right hand of the Majesty on high.

First Proposition: Scripture explicitly places Jesus Christ in an
entirely different category than all angels, identifying Him as God the
Son whom all angels, including archangels, must worship.

Michael Is One of a Group of Peers, While Jesus Christ Is Lord of All

"The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there
with the kings of Persia." (Daniel 10:13 ESV).

Michael is plainly designated "one of the chief princes." This
grammatical statement indicates an equal among peers, one of a finite
group of high-ranking angelic princes.

"For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesrCoall
things were created through him and for him. And he is before all
things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17 ESV).

"On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and
Lord of lords." (Revelation 19:16 ESV).

Jesus Christ is not "one of" a group of rulers. He is the solitary
Creator and sustainer of all angelic thrones, dominions, rulers, and authorities. He is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Second Proposition: Michael is described in Scripture as one among
several chief angelic princes, whereas Jesus Christ is the solitary
Creator, Sustainer, and Lord over all created beings.

Michael Has Delegated Authority Under Limits, While Jesus Exercises
Sovereign Divine Authority Over Satan

"But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was
disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you.'" (Jude 1:9 ESV).

Michael did not possess the authority in himself to rebuke Satan, nor
did he dare bring a railing accusation against him. He had to appeal to
a higher authority: "The Lord rebuke you."

"Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."' Then the devil
left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him." (Matthew 4:10-11 ESV).

Jesus did not say, "The Lord rebuke you." Jesus commanded Satan on His
own sovereign authority: "Be gone, Satan!" Satan obeyed instantly, and
the angels, which includes the company of archangels, came and
ministered to Jesus as His servants.

Third Proposition: Michael could not rebuke Satan on his own authority, whereas Jesus Christ directly rebuked Satan by His own sovereign command
as Lord.

The Lord's Return with an Archangel's Voice Proves Attending Heralds,
Not Identity

"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command,
with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of
God. And the dead in Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16 ESV).

Notice the three accompanying sounds at the Lord's return:
(a) A cry of command.
(b) The voice of an archangel.
(c) The trumpet of God.

To argue that Jesus is the archangel because His descent is accompanied
by the voice of an archangel would require one to argue that Jesus is
also the trumpet because He descends with the sound of the trumpet of
God. A king descending with the shout of his herald and the blast of his trumpeter is not himself the herald or the trumpet.

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,
then he will sit on his glorious throne." (Matthew 25:31 ESV).

When Christ returns, all the holy angels accompany Him. An archangel
shouts as a herald in the retinue of the returning King of kings.

Fourth Proposition: The mention of the voice of an archangel at Christ's coming describes the heraldic announcement accompanying His arrival, not
the personal identity of the Lord Himself.

The Biblical Use of the Word Prince Does Not Equal Identity

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government
shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful
Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6
ESV).

"At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of
your people." (Daniel 12:1 ESV).

The word "prince" is a general Hebrew noun used in Scripture for tribal chiefs, military captains, civil rulers, angelic beings, and royalty.
Applying the title "prince" to two distinct individuals never makes them
the same person. Abraham was called "a prince of God" (Genesis 23:6),
yet no one confuses Abraham with Jesus Christ or with Michael. In Isaiah
9:6, Jesus is specifically called "Mighty God" in the very same breath
that He is called "Prince of Peace." Michael is nowhere called God.

Fifth Proposition: The sharing of a common functional title such as
"prince" between two persons does not prove identity, especially when Scripture explicitly accords absolute Deity to Christ and creaturely
status to Michael.

Human Commentary Can Never Overrule Scripture

"To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according
to this word, it is because they have no dawn." (Isaiah 8:20 ESV).

"Let God be true though every one were a liar." (Romans 3:4 ESV).

Citing theologians or commentators from the 1800s or any other period
has zero authority when their opinions contradict the plain Word of God.
The Bible, and the Bible alone, is the standard of truth.

Sixth Proposition: Any human commentator who asserts that Jesus is
Michael the Archangel stands in open contradiction to the plain
statements of Holy Scripture.

Summary

Jesus Christ is the eternal Son whom all the angels are commanded to
worship (Hebrews 1:6).

Michael is one of several chief angelic princes (Daniel 10:13); Jesus is
the unique Creator of all angelic ranks and the Lord of all (Colossians
1:16).

Michael could not rebuke Satan on his own authority (Jude 1:9); Jesus
rebuked Satan directly by His own command (Matthew 4:10).

The presence of an archangel's herald voice at Christ's second coming no
more makes Jesus an archangel than the trumpet of God makes Him a
trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

The term "prince" is applied broadly to men and angels, but only Jesus
Christ is named the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6).

Therefore, the Scripture teaches that Jesus Christ is not Michael the Archangel, but is the eternal Son of God, Lord of hosts, and God
manifest in the flesh.
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