• Re: What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Fri Sep 18 22:27:27 2026
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    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did it happen?

    You're asking for an explanation of evolution on Usenet?
    Even knowing you won't read it?

    Start here instead...
    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470117737>


    Also, how did brainless evolution create lungs so that we could
    breathe oxygen and live, even though most of the air is Nitrogen?

    Did you know there was no O2 in the atmosphere until green
    plants put it there? And that the oxygen caused a mass
    extinction?

    BTW, what do you think nitrogen has to do with it?
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 00:33:49 2026
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    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    Think about what you are saying. You are saying that because mindless, brainless, 0 IQ,
    evolution, that because it contained too much calcium, that it
    magically formed shells,
    bones and teeth.

    It takes a complex DNA code, in order to make teeth, shells, bones.
    And mindless, brainless, 0 IQ
    evolution even knew enough to make baby teeth and then later, adult
    teeth. Notice:

    "The making of teeth, known biologically as odontogenesis, is one of
    the most complex, tightly orchestrated processes in human development.
    Rather than just growing out of the jaw like bones, teeth are
    meticulously engineered over years through a series of cellular "conversations," architectural transformations, and intense
    mineralization" (AI Overview)

    Teeth are "engineered"? Sounds like intelligence is fully behind it!
    What came first: the human male or the human female? The female has to
    have many differences inside of her, than the male. Did mindless,
    brainless, 0 IQ evolution figure all that out?

    Is DNA a code?

    "Yes, DNA is a biological code that stores the precise instructions
    your body needs to grow, live, and function." (AI Overview)

    "instructions"? Sounds like something intelligent is behind it!

    At any rate, have a good one.

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    Even a big rock has more IQ that evolution. Because the rock exists,
    but mindless, brainless, 0 IQ evolution doesn't.

    Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did it happen?

    You're asking for an explanation of evolution on Usenet?
    Even knowing you won't read it?

    Start here instead...
    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470117737>

    Concerning the book "Evolution for Dummies", I guess you would have
    to be one if you pay $87.93 for it.



    Also, how did brainless evolution create lungs so that we could
    breathe oxygen and live, even though most of the air is Nitrogen?

    Did you know there was no O2 in the atmosphere until green
    plants put it there? And that the oxygen caused a mass
    extinction?


    BTW, what do you think nitrogen has to do with it?
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 01:48:38 2026
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    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    Think about what you are saying. You are saying that because mindless, brainless, 0 IQ,
    evolution,

    You said that, not I.

    that because it contained too much calcium, that it

    You said that, not I.

    magically formed shells,
    bones and teeth.

    Magic is the ingredient of creationism, not science.
    Brainless, 0 IQ magic! You said something like that too.

    It takes a complex DNA code, in order to make teeth, shells, bones.
    And mindless, brainless, 0 IQ

    It doesn't matter what I say. You ignore it and repeat your
    standard boilerplate.

    (snip standard boilerplate)

    Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did it happen?

    You're asking for an explanation of evolution on Usenet?
    Even knowing you won't read it?

    Start here instead...
    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470117737>

    Concerning the book "Evolution for Dummies", I guess you would have
    to be one if you pay $87.93 for it.

    OTOH, ignorance is cheap, but it ain't free either. It
    coulda been avoided by paying what?... by paying a little
    attention, back in junior high biology class.

    Also, how did brainless evolution create lungs so that we could
    breathe oxygen and live, even though most of the air is Nitrogen?

    Did you know there was no O2 in the atmosphere until green
    plants put it there? And that the oxygen caused a mass
    extinction?

    BTW, what do you think nitrogen has to do with it?

    Did you know oxygen is brainless and zero iq?

    What if I told you oxygen and nitrogen just appeared by
    magic. Would you buy it? Oh, wait... you already did.
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 16:21:37 2026
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    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here, though I was told the site's security
    certificate hasd expired, so you may not.

    <https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Musculoskeletal_System_-_Bone_Development_Timeline>
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 10:37:58 2026
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    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here,

    Answer to what?


    though I was told the site's security
    certificate hasd expired, so you may not.

    <https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Musculoskeletal_System_-_Bone_Development_Timeline>

    My anti-malware didn't find any issues. Hopefully they have
    renewed their certificate.
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 20:38:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 10:37:58 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here,

    Answer to what?

    The question -- you know, one of those sentences with a "?" at the end
    of it, as quoted above.

    This:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Sun Sep 20 12:37:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 10:37:58 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here,

    Answer to what?

    The question -- you know, one of those sentences with a "?" at the end
    of it, as quoted above.

    This:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    James' question was about which of those things came first in
    the context of the evolutionary development timeline. He
    qualified that with an additional sentence,

    "Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did
    it happen?"

    to make that clearer, altho you snipped it a bit upthread.

    The link you provided (which you also snipped) went to a page
    describing the development timeline of various body features
    in a human embryo. That's probably why the URL started with
    "embryology". Nothing to do with the evolution of soft and
    hard animal body parts. Hence my confusion over your reply.

    Thank you for your research. Do you have any more answers to
    Frequently Unasked Questions?
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Mon Sep 21 05:42:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 12:37:16 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 10:37:58 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >> >Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here,

    Answer to what?

    The question -- you know, one of those sentences with a "?" at the end
    of it, as quoted above.

    This:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    James' question was about which of those things came first in
    the context of the evolutionary development timeline. He
    qualified that with an additional sentence,

    "Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did
    it happen?"

    to make that clearer, altho you snipped it a bit upthread.

    The thread appears to have originated in another forum, which I seem
    to have missed.

    I was responding to the question that I saw: What came first. Our
    skeleton or the flesh over it?

    I took "our flesh" to refer to our flesh, and not that of remote
    ancestors, and it is therefore primarily a question of embryology,
    which is, however, said by some to recapitulate evolution.


    The link you provided (which you also snipped) went to a page
    describing the development timeline of various body features
    in a human embryo. That's probably why the URL started with
    "embryology". Nothing to do with the evolution of soft and
    hard animal body parts. Hence my confusion over your reply.

    Thank you for your research. Do you have any more answers to
    Frequently Unasked Questions?
    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com

    For information about why crossposting is (usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad, see:
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet.bible on Mon Sep 21 08:42:58 2026
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    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 05:42:10 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 12:37:16 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 10:37:58 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: >>> >Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 22:27:27 -0700, Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote:
    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    Flesh. The first animals were soft-bodied, which is why
    their fossils are extremely rare.

    Later they evolved to take advantage of the abundance of
    calcium to form shells, bones & teeth.

    You may find an answer here,

    Answer to what?

    The question -- you know, one of those sentences with a "?" at the end
    of it, as quoted above.

    This:

    What came first. Our skeleton or the flesh over it?

    James' question was about which of those things came first in
    the context of the evolutionary development timeline. He
    qualified that with an additional sentence,

    "Since we allegedly are a product of evolution, how did
    it happen?"

    to make that clearer, altho you snipped it a bit upthread.

    The thread appears to have originated in another forum, which I seem
    to have missed.

    I was responding to the question that I saw: What came first. Our
    skeleton or the flesh over it?

    I took "our flesh" to refer to our flesh, and not that of remote
    ancestors, and it is therefore primarily a question of embryology,
    which is, however, said by some to recapitulate evolution.

    Can't you see super-high intellect in the design of the human body?
    Concerning the skeleton, look how the ribs help to protect vital
    organs. Did brainless evolution just figure that out somehow?

    Or what about the pelvic region. The female is wider and more broader
    than a male in order to accommodate a baby. Did brainless evolution
    figure out that it needed to be that way? For if it was a copy of a
    male, there wouldn't be any babies born that way. So mindless
    evolution must have figured that out also.

    The skeleton structure also produces blood from the marrow. What poor
    creature needed blood to function, yet needed the marrow in its bones
    to produce it?

    "Free Bible Course
    Try our interactive Bible course Enjoy Life Forever!"
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    (God is not a sadist but a God of love)




    And what about the beating heart. Many species need the heart to
    circulate the blood. Around 22 days after fertilization the heart
    starts up. How did brainless, mindless, evolution figure that out?


    The link you provided (which you also snipped) went to a page
    describing the development timeline of various body features
    in a human embryo. That's probably why the URL started with
    "embryology". Nothing to do with the evolution of soft and
    hard animal body parts. Hence my confusion over your reply.

    Thank you for your research. Do you have any more answers to
    Frequently Unasked Questions?
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