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On 7/1/2026 8:43 AM, Christ Rose wrote:
He twice predicted the return of Christ on certain dates, and was
wrong both times.
The Bible says if someone's prophecy does not come to pass, he has
spoken presumptuously. He is a false prophet. You shall not fear him.
Meanwhile, none of the verses you quote say or necessitate the idea
that God is no longer using the church to promote the gospel in the
world, or that He has set the church or His promises to the church aside.
Of course, since the church consists of those who are already being
saved by God, it's only reasonable that God has to save people who are
outside the church in order to bring more people to salvation.
The Bible teaches that we are not to trust people: Romans 3:4 KJV: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome
when thou art judged. And also Acts 17:11 KJV: These were more noble
than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those
things were so.
The Bible also teaches that believers know in part: 1 Corinthians 13:9
KJV: For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
Therefore we are not to trust Mr. Camping and even Mr. Camping would
often say so. Just because the end of the world did not take place in
2011 does not mean that everything Mr. Camping researched was incorrect.
We may recall that Jonah told the Ninevites that they would be destroyed
in 40 days as per God's proclamation. It didn't happen. Did Jonah lie?
The answer is no. God simply did not give Jonah all the information.
This could also have been the case with Mr. Camping.
If you believe that, then you should recognize:
1) No passage of Scripture says or indicates that God is done with the
church as Harold Camping taught. He taught that so people would turn to
family radio and his guidance, rather than their local church.
2) You cite a bunch of verses, but not one of them warns us to abandon
the church. Read 1 John. It warns that the children of the devil are the
ones who do not continue in fellowship with the church:
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they
had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they
went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Harold Camping told people to go out of the church. That's the exact
thing the Bible sets forth as an example of those who are not from God.
3) Revelation 17-18 warns people to come out of the false religious
system called Babylon, but that's not the church. That institution is
killing the saints and worshiping idols. The church was the focus in Revelation 2-3, not 17-18.
4) That doctrine of getting out of the church came from Harold Camping,
not the Bible.
What would help is for people to continue to check the book "Adam When"
for errors: https://drive.google.com/file/ d/1LhG_OFX_HIxZ2tKNdF7B0QafMkhnVGNd/preview?rm=minimal . Also at https://www.ebiblefellowship.org/timeline.
If somebody can find a specific error we would like to hear about it.
You have provided no Bible reference that states God is finished with
the church. "Babylon" mentioned in Revelation is not the church. Harold Camping is the one who espoused the doctrine that God is finished with
the church. He also set himself up as the alternative, as if to become
the source of guidance for all believers, telling them the church is
apostate. His predictions were wrong, therefore his theology is wrong.
As to the church, we are taught that it contains both the saved and
unsaved: "Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver,
precious stones, wood, hay, stubble." The true believers are typified by gold, silver, and precious stones. They are the lively (living) stones
who are built up into a spiritual house (I Peter 2:5) End of the Church
Age p. 64. On the other hand, the wood, hay, and stubble must relate to
the unsaved church members.
Fire does not destroy gold or silver, but
fire will utterly destroy wood, hay, and stubble. Thus, the Bible
teaches that the spiritual temple is a spiritual
house representing the churches and congregations, but within the
churches there are people who are truly saved (gold, silver, precious stones), and those who are not saved (wood, hay, stubble) The End of the Church Age p. 65.
Christ is the foundation. The metals are the doctrines we build the
church up in. There are passages which refer to wheat and tares, which
is a distinction between believers and unbelievers, but that passage in
1 Corinthians 3 is talking about the doctrine we use to build believers
in the faith.
Anybody who is reading this ought to be made aware of the translation
that this individual promotes i,e., the ESV. Please compare the text of
the NA/UBS that the ESV is translated from with the Textus Receptus
that the KJV is translated from: https://www.textusreceptusbibles.com/ Differences_Between_Textus_Receptus_and_NaUbs.
Translations like the King James Version rely on the Textus Receptus, a
Greek text compiled in the sixteenth century from a small number of late medieval manuscripts.
The English Standard Version bases its New Testament on older and more complete Greek manuscripts than those available when the Textus Receptus
was compiled. Because these manuscripts date much closer to the time of
the original writings, they contain fewer generations of copyist errors. Translating directly from these earlier copies provides a text that more accurately reflects the original words of the biblical authors.
Further, there's too much context to the Bible to be fooled by KJV only complaints:
A frequent complaint from King James Version only advocates is that
modern translations like the English Standard Version omit or alter
specific words to weaken or scrub key doctrines. Looking closely at the
actual text reveals that the broader context of the passage, or even the immediate next verse, explicitly preserves and reinforces the exact
doctrine in question.
Here are common examples where the context directly refutes the
accusation of theological tampering:
The Deity of Christ in Romans 14:10-12
KJV: "...for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For
it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall
give account of himself to God."
ESV: "...For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it
is written, 'As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and
every tongue shall confess to God.' So then each of us will give an
account of himself to God."
The Complaint: Critics claim that changing "judgment seat of Christ" to "judgment seat of God" is an attack on the deity of Jesus Christ.
The Overcoming Context: The passage itself relies on Old Testament
prophecy from Isaiah 45:23, where Yahweh swears that every knee will bow
to Him. By stating in verse 10 that we stand before the judgment seat of
God, and then showing in the surrounding theology that Christ is the one executing this judgment, the ESV text actually equates Jesus directly
with God. The immediate context of verses 11 and 12 demands that
standing before the judgment seat of God is the fulfillment of giving an account to Christ.
The Divine Origin of Christ in John 6:47
KJV: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life."
ESV: "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life."
The Complaint: Critics argue that omitting the phrase "on me" removes
the object of saving faith and promotes a false gospel of general belief.
The Overcoming Context: The immediate context makes the object of faith undeniable. In the very next verses, Jesus states: "I am the bread of
life" (verse 48), "I am the living bread which came down from heaven"
(verse 51), and "whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath
eternal life" (verse 54). The entire sermon in John 6 is an explicit declaration that salvation comes only through consuming, believing, and trusting in Jesus Christ specifically.
The Salvation of the Eunuch in Acts 8:37
KJV: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou
mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son
of God."
ESV: The ESV moves verse 37 to a footnote based on early manuscript
evidence, transitioning directly from the Eunuch asking what prevents
him from being baptized in verse 36 to the baptism in verse 38.
The Complaint: The accusation is that modern versions delete the
requirement of faith for baptism and remove a crucial confession of
ChristrCOs deity.
The Overcoming Context: The broader context of Acts and the immediate preaching of Philip makes faith a prerequisite. Verse 35 states that
Philip "preached unto him Jesus." The Eunuch could not confess Jesus as
the Son of God without Philip first teaching him who Jesus was.
Furthermore, the entire book of Acts consistently establishes that
belief precedes baptism (Acts 2:38, 8:12, 16:31-33). Moving the verse
based on manuscript evidence does not alter the theology of the
narrative, as the text explicitly shows the Eunuch responding to the
preaching of the gospel.
The Ascension and Glory of Christ in Luke 24:51-52
KJV: "And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from
them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned
to Jerusalem with great joy."
ESV: "While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great
joy." (Note: Some early critical texts omitted "carried up into heaven"
and "worshiped him," which older modern translations noted, though the
ESV retains them).
The Complaint: King James Version advocates often point to standard
critical text omissions in Luke as attempts to deny the bodily ascension
and the worship of Jesus.
The Overcoming Context: Even if a specific manuscript variant omits a
phrase in Luke, the wider context of LukerCOs own continuous writing
provides absolute clarity. In Acts 1:9 (written by Luke as the sequel),
he explicitly writes that Jesus "was taken up; and a cloud received him
out of their sight." The doctrine of the ascension is structurally vital
to Luke's theology and cannot be removed from his work, regardless of a
single textual variant at the end of his gospel.
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cross (Colossians 2:14), and God openly proved this by raising Him to
life (Romans 1:4). Because of this sacrifice, God upholds His justice
while granting us forgiveness (Romans 3:26) and safety from the wrath to
come (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This rescue is a gift of pure grace for
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