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Will the earth ever be destroyed?
The Bible clearly says it will, in many passages:
Psalm 102:25-26
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are
the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea,
all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change
them, and they shall be changed:
Isaiah 34:4
And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be
rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the
leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Isaiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for
the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old
like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Hebrews 1:10-12
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth;
and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but
thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a
vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art
the same, and thy years shall not fail.
2 Peter 3:10-12
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be
dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy
conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of
the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Revelation 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the
first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Not if God has anything to say about it; and He does.
I just saw God saying the earth would not remain forever, that it would
be dissolved by fire, that it would be rolled up like an old garment,
that it would flee away, that no more place would be found for it, and
that it would be replaced with a "new" heavens and earth. How is it even reasonable to expect me to believe you are not a Bible-contradicting liar?
But first, be careful what you believe: Col 2:8,
Why would it not be right to tell you to take your own advice, or
conclude you are an hypocrite, since I just saw you twisting Scripture,
and that's about all I ever see Satan's Witnesses doing? How is that
passage not warning against the exact thing you and your Satan's Witness
liars do? How can you convince me that Satan's Witnesses do not start
with the theology the want to believe, then twist the Scriptures to make
it fit, seeing that that's almost all I ever see them do?
" Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his
prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the
tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and
not according to Christ;" (NWT; see also 1 Ti 6:4)
idem.
Apostates flip and twist the Scriptures to conform to their beliefs.
And it may sound logical. But beware! Pray to God to guide you to the
real Bible truths. God will not let you down.
idem.
Back to will the earth ever be destroyed?
Ecc 1:4 says, " A generation is going, and a generation is coming;
but the earth is standing even to time indefinite."
How is this not where the vain philosophy of Satan's Witnesses seeks to confuse, given the following?
The word used in Ecclesiastes 1:4 is "olam" in Hebrew.
The root meaning of olam relates to something hidden, obscure, or kept
out of sight. In a temporal sense, it points to an indefinite or
undetermined duration. Rather than inherently meaning an infinite,
absolute eternity, the word describes a continuous period whose
beginning or end is undefined or hidden from view.
Vanishing Point: It represents time extending to a horizon where the end
is not visible.
Contextual Limits: The actual duration of olam is determined entirely by
the nature of the object it describes.
Application to the Earth
When applied to the earth in Ecclesiastes 1:4, olam denotes a long, continuous, and stable duration across many human generations. However, because the word itself allows for a hidden or indefinite end, its use
here does not contradict the prophetic passages stating that the present
earth will eventually pass away or be dissolved. The stability of the
earth is continuous and indefinite relative to short-lived human
generations, but it remains subject to the ultimate timeline determined
by the Creator.
Here are examples of "Olam" that prove the word does not necessitate never-ending duration:
then his master shall bring him to God, and shall bring him to the door,
or to the doorpost, and his master shall bore his ear through with an
awl, and he shall serve him forever `[olam]`. (Exodus 21:6, WEB)
A servant with a bored ear cannot serve a master past death. The text
limits the duration to the servant's natural lifespan.
But Hannah didnrCOt go up; for she said to her husband, rCLNot until the
child is weaned; then I will bring him, that he may appear before
Yahweh, and stay there forever `[olam]`.rCY (1 Samuel 1:22, WEB)
A child who must first be weaned is a mortal human. His stay at the
tabernacle ends when his life ends.
Achish believed David, saying, rCLHe has made his people Israel utterly to abhor him; therefore he shall be my servant forever `[olam]`.rCY (1 Samuel 27:12, WEB)
David was a mortal man. Human servitude is naturally limited by a man's lifespan and cannot be eternal.
I went down to the bottoms of the mountains. The earth with its bars
closed upon me forever `[olam]`; yet you have brought up my life from
the pit, Yahweh my God. (Jonah 2:6, WEB)
Jonah was trapped "forever" but was delivered moments later. The text
itself proves the duration was only three days.
Conclusion: The Bible clearly uses "olam" to refer to things which come
to and end. It does not necessitate never-ending eternity. It can even
refer to things which come to an end within a few days. How does one
believe Satan's Witnesses are not Bible-contradicting liars, when they
twist words like "olam", as if they can only refer to a never-ending
period of time?
Ps 104:5 says, "He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever"
idem.
God promises that it will remain forever. But will it be empty? Will
all of its inhabitants have left it for a place in some spirit realm?
idem.
Isa 45:18 says, "18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of
the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker
of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it
simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited"
idem. Isaiah also says the heavens and earth will be disolved.
Psalm 37:11 says, "But the meek ones themselves will possess the
earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of
peace."
idem. That verse doesn't even say the earth will abide forever. Further,
the New Testament shows it is the New Heavens and earth (not the old one
which will be dissolved by fire and flee away), where the meek will
abide forever with God in peace.
Also consider the marvelous design of the human brain. Many
publications report that we only use a small part of our brain and
that it is capable of storing almost infinite amounts of data.
Why would God over-create the brain when all people would just
eventually end up in some spirit place? Rather does it not look like
God intended man to live forever in a fleshly form and designed a
brain for such a purpose.?
That is not revelation. That is human reasoning. Further, it's not even convincing reasoning. God promises a new, glorified body to believers,
which is eternal and imperishable (1 Corinthians 15). Every believer's immaterial soul will be reunited and raised in a physical, glorified
body with flesh and bones, that can be seen, handled, eat, etc (Luke
24:39-43, 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, Philippians 3:21). That men's current, temporal bodies are fearfully and wonderfully wrought, doesn't prevent
God from giving men better, eternal, physical, glorious bodies after the
first one turns to dust.
Thus we will never have to fear that the earth will be destroyed by
some celestial phenomenon such as by an asteroid, comet, or a
supernova of our sun, etc.
As shown above, that's something you reason, not what the Bible says.
What you reason contradicts what the Bible clearly and actually teaches.
Then, you present your own Bible-contradicting lies as "Thus" sayeth the
Lord. How are you and Satan's Witnesses not Satanic liars?
Or that it will be destroyed by a nuclear holocaust.
The Bible does not lie and God's purposes always get done. (Isa 55:11)
Is this not exactly why your Satan's Witness lies will ultimately fail, leading anyone who believes them to the conscious, eternal torment they deserve in the lake of fire? Satan wants company in the lake of fire.
That's why he sent you here.
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