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The Demons: Masters of Deception
Some people think the demons only pretend to be righteous. That's not
true. They do a lot of other things too.
None of which you demonstrate from the Bible.
We know from the Scriptures that they can possess people. And they are violent. On one occassion, Jesus drove demons out of a man. The demons
asked to be sent into a herd of pigs. Jesus obliged. All the pigs then
ran off a cliff and into the sea and died. The town folk then told
Jesus to leave.
Nothing about UFO's or ghosts there. Your last article claimed to the
effect UFO's and ghosts are evidence of demonic activity. Nothing in the
Bible says, necessitates, or even supports that conclusion.
The demons also pretend to be dead people, contradicting what the
Bible says. Notice Ec 9:5,
Notice, he's claiming that demons "pretend to be dead people".
-- King James
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the
dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the
memory of them is forgotten.
Thus the dead are 'sleeping' awaiting the promised resurection of Acts
24:15. John 11:11:
To begin, nothing in any of those passages says, implies, or even hints
at the idea that demons "pretend to be dead people". You make yet
another claim that the Bible does not support.
Second, you ignore the immediate context, which explains:
"Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and
forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9:6, ESV)
The writer of Ecclesiastes is looking at things from an earthly
standpoint. It says this refers to what happens "under the sun" (a
phrase used twenty-nine times in this book). From the standpoint of
earthly life, those who have died "know nothing." They no longer know
what is happening in the homes they left, they have no more share in
earthly business, and they do not participate in the activities of this
world. The text does not say they have no conscious existence in the
spiritual realm; it says they have no more share "in all that is done
under the sun."
Proposition: The statement that the dead "know nothing" is explicitly restricted to affairs "under the sun"rComeaning they have no further
knowledge of or part in the physical, earthly life they have left behind.
"When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his
plans perish." (Psalm 146:4, ESV)
Some translations render the word "plans" as "thoughts" (as in the KJV).
From this, it is argued that all cognitive thought ceases at physical
death.
The Hebrew word used here is "eshtonah," which refers to purposes,
schemes, designs, and business projects. The context of the Psalm is a
warning against trusting in human rulers for help: "Put not your trust
in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation" (Psalm
146:3, ESV). Why? Because when a ruler dies, all of his grand political designs, earthly promises, and plans for his kingdom come to nothing. He
can no longer carry out his projects. The passage is not dealing with
the psychological state of the departed soul; it is dealing with the
total collapse of a dead man's earthly ambitions and schemes.
Proposition: The statement that a man's "plans" or "thoughts" perish at
death refers to his earthly designs, projects, and ambitions, not to the conscious cognitive power of his departed spirit.
-- New King James
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our
friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.''
Again, absolutely nothing in that verse says, implies, or even hints at
the idea that demons "pretend to be dead people".
Regarding John 11:11, we must observe how Jesus Himself clarifies this metaphor:
The metaphor describes the state of the physical body, which rests in
the dust, not the active, conscious spirit. The Bible never speaks of
the "soul" sleeping, only of those who "fall asleep" physically.
Proposition: The biblical metaphor of "sleep" refers to the physical
body and the temporary nature of physical death, not to the state of the conscious spirit.
The Bible doesn't say anything about life on other planets or moons.
Or the idea that UFOs and ghosts are caused by demons.
Just that God created two intelligent life forms; angels and humans.
So then, what are UFO's (UAP's)? One guess. Based on the occupants of
UFO's conduct, such as performing sexual experiments, they also are
the demons.
You've cited no such evidence from the Bible, whatsoever. You start from
the assumption that if someone claims to have seen a UFO or a ghost,
then they actually did, then apply the faulty reasoning that since there
are only two intelligent life forms, it must be demons.
Meanwhile, if they haven't identified the object (the "u" stands for unidentified), then there's no way to conclude that it wasn't caused, hallucinated, or lied about by a human. Many UFOs are later discovered
to be things like military test craft, etc.
But if the dead are not conscious, what are ghosts? One guess; demons.
They like to contradict Ec 9:5 which calls God a liar. As a matter of
facts, the dead temp cease to exist. (Ps 146:3,4)
idem.
Brcause of the demons, God forbade this:
10. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or
his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft,
or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11. "or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one
who calls up the dead.
12. "For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from
before you. (Deut 18:10-12)
Thus the antics of the demons can be wide and varied. They don't want
you to discover the "deep things of Satan" (Rev 2:24) They just want
you to stumble. And sadly many will:
None of these passages says, necessitates, or even implies that ghosts
or UFO's are caused by demons.
-- American Standard
Jeremiah 25:33 And the slain of Jehovah shall be at that day from one
end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not
be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the
face of the ground.
Idem. Again, you state what you want the Bible to mean, the try to twist verses that say no such thing to support your own ideas. This is
standard practice for Satan's Witness heretics.
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