• Get out from false religion. God wants that:

    From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Wed Jun 17 13:14:20 2026
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    Get out from false religion. God wants that:

    -- International English
    ***Revelation 18:4 I heard another voice coming from heaven. It said:
    ``Come out of her, my people! You must not share in her sins! Get
    away from the plagues which come upon her! Don't get caught with her!
    All false religions are going to bite the dust. Here are some popular
    false doctrines Christendom teaches:

    ***1.) immortal soul. Immortal? (source Plato & Aristotle)

    -- King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall
    die.

    ***2.) All good people end up in Heaven. "All"?

    - King James
    Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    ***3) The earth will be burned up with fire.

    Ps 78:69,

    " He built his shrine like the heavens, like the earth which he
    founded forever. " (NAB)

    -- Revised Standard
    Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation goes, and a generation comes, but the
    earth remains for ever.

    - New Living Translation
    Psalms 37:29
    The godly will inherit the land [earth]
    and will live there forever.
    [brackets mine][see Mt 5:5]

    ***4) Celebrate pagan-based holidays. For example, Halloween:

    Halloween is a mixture of the pagan holiday and the Bible. But does
    God agree to that?

    14aDo not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship
    do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have
    with darkness? 15aFurther, what harmony is there between Christ and
    Be|li+al? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever?
    16aAnd what agreement does GodAs temple have with idols? For we are a
    temple of a living God; just as God said: oI will reside among them
    and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my
    people.o 17aoaTherefore, get out from among them, and separate
    yourselves,A says Jehovah, aand quit touching the unclean thingAo;
    oaand I will take you in.Ao

    ***5) As soon as a wicked person dies, he goes straight to hellfire.
    (Hades, hell)

    The OT is full of false unrighteous persons. Hellfire (Hades,
    hell)would have to be about filled then. But notice:

    -- New King James
    John 3:13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from
    heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

    That means that Abraham and Moses and King David and all other
    righteous OT persons, did not make it to Heaven.

    Jesus is now in Heaven with God. BUT HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD:

    -- King James
    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
    man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
    Christ is God.

    Also, something else the churches don't teach. Hellfire (Hades,
    hell)will empty itself out until zero left:

    - King James
    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and
    death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were
    judged every man according to their works.

    ***6) The churches teach God is a triple decker; a Trinity. The pagan
    nations had their Trinities. So why not Christendom? For example,

    Egypt: There was Osiris, Isis, and Horus.
    The Hindu trinity had Brahman, Siva, and Vishnu.

    So what is Christendom's? God the Father, God the Son, and God the
    Holy Ghost.

    The Holy Ghost (Spirit) can fill many people at once. Does it chop
    itself up and give pieces to many people? Acts 2:2-4,

    2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty
    wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and
    it sat upon each of them.
    4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak
    with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    The Holy Ghost is personified. It acts and speaks like a person. But
    it is NOT a person.

    The Bible also teaches that Wisdom is personified. For example, Wisdom
    has children:

    - New King James
    Luke 7:35 "But wisdom is justified by all her children.''

    That brings up # 7,

    ***7) The churches teach Jesus is God the Son, and many teach he is
    equal to God. Well, let's find out.

    Jesus said God is greater than Jesus:

    -- King James
    John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
    again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go
    unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    The angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would give birth to a
    son, and he will be called NOT GOD, but "God's Son". A son is always
    lessor than his father:

    - King James
    Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost
    shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow
    thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall
    be called the Son of God.

    -- Revised Standard
    Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the
    angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

    If Jesus is God, then God would have a mental problem. We all know
    that could not be true.

    Jesus was created by God:

    -- King James
    Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
    of every creature:

    Notice the context here. It is all about things created, of which
    Jesus was the first. And to back that up:

    -- King James
    Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans
    write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    So in summary, the churches (although some are sincere) teach false
    doctrines:

    1) immortal soul. Negative
    2) All good people end up in Heaven. Negative
    3) earth destroyed by fire. Negative.
    4) OK to celebrate pagan based holidays. Negative
    5) hellfire (Hades, hell)
    6) God is a Trinity. Negative
    7) Jesus is God. Negative

    THE CHURCHES ACCEPT JOHN 1:1, "THE WORD WAS GOD".

    -- King James
    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.

    WHEN THEY DO, they contradict many Scriptures:

    John 14:28
    1 Cor 11:3
    Luke 1:35
    Mt 24:36
    1 John 4:12
    Col 1:15
    Mr 10:18
    Rev 19:10
    etc, etc.

    So what's wrong with John 1:1?

    What if I said to you these similar two statements:

    He is Donald Trump.
    He is the Donald Trump.

    Does the addition of the definite article "the" change the meaning a
    little? It is a similar thing with the Greek grammar found at John
    1:1.

    In Greek, that passage contains the word "god" [theos] twice, and the
    context is talking about God and the Word (Jesus).

    The first one has the definite article "the" before it, the second one
    does not. Thus there is a difference between the meaning of the first
    "god" [theos] and the second "god" [theos]. And a good translation
    should show that difference.

    According to the Bible translator William Barclay, he says that when a
    Greek noun doesn't have the definite article in front of it, it
    becomes a description (like an adjective) rather than an identity
    (like a noun). And the second "theos" [god] has no definite article
    preceding it.

    Can we ever get to see a lasting peace? The Bible's coming peace may
    surprise you.
    See more at:
    jw.org (6/17/2026)
    zebrabible@proton.me

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible on Wed Jun 17 15:19:09 2026
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    Wed, 17 Jun 2026 13:14:20 -0400,
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    Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

    Get out from false religion. God wants that:


    Which means get out from "Jehovah's Witness" religion:

    Chapter 1: The Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ

    Jesus Christ is God, the Creator of all things, not a created being.

    (1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
    Word was God." (John 1:1, ESV)
    The Word (Jesus Christ) was already in existence "in the beginning,"
    before any created thing. He was not created; He was with God, and He
    was God. The lack of the definite article before "God" (theos) does not
    mean He is a lesser "god," but rather distinguishes His person from the
    Father while fully asserting His divine nature. He is of the very same
    essence as God the Father.

    (2) "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
    creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth,
    visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesrCoall things were created through him and for him."
    (Colossians 1:15-16, ESV)
    The term "firstborn" (prototokos) does not mean Jesus was the first
    creature created, for the very next verse states that "by him all things
    were created." A created being cannot create all created things.
    "Firstborn" refers to His rank and pre-eminence as the heir of all
    creation, possessing the rights of the firstborn over all things.

    (3) "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: rCyThe words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.rCO" (Revelation 3:14, ESV)
    The word translated "beginning" is arche, which means the "source,"
    "origin," or "active cause." Jesus Christ is the origin and source of
    GodrCOs creation, not the first product of it.

    Proposition: Jesus Christ is eternal, uncreated, and the Creator of all things.

    Chapter 2: The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit

    The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person, not an impersonal force.

    (1) "While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit
    said, 'Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have
    called them.'" (Acts 13:2, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not speak, use personal pronouns like "me" and
    "I," or call men to the ministry. The Holy Spirit does all of these.

    (2) "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my
    name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all
    that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not teach or remind. The Holy Spirit is spoken
    of by Jesus with the masculine personal pronoun "he" (ekeinos),
    emphasizing His personality.

    (3) "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed
    for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30, ESV)
    An impersonal force or "active force" cannot be grieved. Only a personal
    being with feelings and love can be grieved.

    (4) "All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who distributes
    to each one individually as he wills." (1 Corinthians 12:11, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not have a will. The Holy Spirit acts according
    to His own personal will.

    Proposition: The Holy Spirit is a living, divine Person who speaks,
    teaches, feels, and wills.

    Chapter 3: The Intermediate State and the Future of the Soul

    The soul of man does not sleep or cease to exist at death.

    (1) "Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the
    body and at home with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV)
    To be absent from the physical body is to be immediately "at home with
    the Lord." There is no intermediate state of unconsciousness or
    non-existence.

    (2) "I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be
    with Christ, for that is far better." (Philippians 1:23, ESV)
    If death meant unconsciousness, departing would not be "far better" than serving Christ on earth. Paul expected immediate, conscious fellowship
    with Christ upon departure.

    (3) "Behold, the soul of all lives is mine; the soul of the father as
    well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die."
    (Ezekiel 18:4, ESV)
    The "death" of the soul in Scripture does not mean annihilation or the
    end of conscious existence. It means spiritual separation from God,
    which culminates in the "second death"rCothe eternal conscious punishment
    of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14).

    Proposition: The human soul continues in conscious existence immediately
    after physical death.

    Chapter 4: The Destiny of the Wicked and Hellfire

    The wicked face immediate conscious torment in Hades and ultimate
    eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire.

    (1) "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.
    The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment,
    he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side."
    (Luke 16:22-23, ESV)
    This passage reveals that immediately after death, the unrighteous are
    in conscious torment in Hades.

    (2) "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous
    into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46, ESV)
    The punishment of the wicked is of the exact same duration as the life
    of the righteousrCoboth are eternal (aionios). If the life of the saved is unending, the punishment of the lost is also unending.

    (3) "and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of
    fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they
    will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Revelation 20:10, ESV)
    The Lake of Fire is a place of conscious, unending torment. It does not destroy the conscious existence of those thrown into it, but holds them
    in torment "forever and ever."

    Proposition: The punishment of the wicked is conscious and everlasting.

    Chapter 5: The Heavenly Hope of the Believer

    Believers are promised an eternal reward in heaven, not merely on the earth.

    (1) "In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I
    have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and
    prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself,
    that where I am you may be also." (John 14:2-3, ESV)
    Jesus went to heaven ("my Father's house") to prepare a place for His disciples, promising to take them there so they could be with Him.

    (2) "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior,
    the Lord Jesus Christ," (Philippians 3:20, ESV)
    The believer's citizenship is currently in heaven, and our ultimate hope
    is centered there.

    (3) "For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed,
    we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1, ESV)
    The eternal home of the believer is "in the heavens." While the meek
    will inherit the earth in its renewed, glorified state, the believer's absolute hope and home is heavenly.

    Proposition: Heaven is the promised eternal home and reward of every
    believer.

    Chapter 6: The Future of the Earth

    The physical earth will be dissolved and renewed by fire.

    (1) "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the
    heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be
    burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it
    will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:10, ESV)
    The physical earth and its works will be dissolved by fire at the day of
    the Lord.

    (2) "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and
    the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more." (Revelation
    21:1, ESV)
    The current physical earth will pass away to make way for a brand new, righteous creation. Ecclesiastes 1:4 ("the earth remains forever") uses
    the Hebrew word "olam," which refers to an age or a long, continuous
    duration, not absolute eternity. It remains until God's appointed time
    of judgment and renewal.

    Proposition: The current physical earth will be dissolved by fire and
    replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.
    --
    Good News rCa

    Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

    The exclusive, saving gospel states that Christ died for our sins and
    rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). All other
    gospels are counterfeit and doom people to conscious, eternal torment in
    the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36; Revelation 14:11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). If you deny that Jesus is God,
    you will perish in your sins (John 8:24).

    Jesus fully satisfied our sin debt to God through His crucifixion
    (Colossians 2:14), a truth confirmed by His resurrection (Romans 1:4). Consequently, God maintains His perfect justice while pardoning
    believers (Romans 3:26) and rescuing them from imminent judgment (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This salvation is an unearned gift received through
    faith (Romans 6:23). Trust in Christ and call upon Him for your
    salvation (Romans 10:9-13):

    How to be saved: christrose.news/salvation
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christianFl on Sun Jun 21 14:08:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

    On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:19:09 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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    Wed, 17 Jun 2026 13:14:20 -0400,
    <dse23lljp8f8csvsgcqphl7spuartf71p7@4ax.com>
    Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================

    Get out from false religion. God wants that:


    Which means get out from "Jehovah's Witness" religion:

    Leaving the true religion will not get you any points from the
    Creator. (1 John 4:8)


    Chapter 1: The Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ

    I have already gone over those doctrines below, that sends these
    right into the wood chopper. Your number one defense is John 1:1. You
    are putting all your chips mainly on that doctrine. But what if it is mistranslated. It most certainly is.

    Not only was the Greek translation rule not followed, but it
    contradicts many other Scriptures. For example:

    Col 1:15. Jesus was a created being. The first one.
    Mt 24:36, Jesus didn't know the day or hour. Only God did.
    1 John 4:12, No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)
    Rev 3:14, Jesus said he was the start of God's creations.
    Mr 10:18, Only God is good.
    Mt 4:10, Jesus said must worship and serve ONLY God.
    Rev 19:10, Jesus' own angel said to "Worship God", not Jesus.

    Can world Peace be attainable through good
    economic times? Go to:
    jw.org (6/21/2026)
    zebrabible@proton.me






    Jesus Christ is God, the Creator of all things, not a created being.

    (1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
    Word was God." (John 1:1, ESV)
    The Word (Jesus Christ) was already in existence "in the beginning,"
    before any created thing. He was not created; He was with God, and He
    was God. The lack of the definite article before "God" (theos) does not
    mean He is a lesser "god," but rather distinguishes His person from the >Father while fully asserting His divine nature. He is of the very same >essence as God the Father.

    (2) "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
    creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, >visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or >authoritiesuall things were created through him and for him."
    (Colossians 1:15-16, ESV)
    The term "firstborn" (prototokos) does not mean Jesus was the first
    creature created, for the very next verse states that "by him all things >were created." A created being cannot create all created things.
    "Firstborn" refers to His rank and pre-eminence as the heir of all
    creation, possessing the rights of the firstborn over all things.

    (3) "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: aThe words of the >Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.A" >(Revelation 3:14, ESV)
    The word translated "beginning" is arche, which means the "source," >"origin," or "active cause." Jesus Christ is the origin and source of
    GodAs creation, not the first product of it.

    Proposition: Jesus Christ is eternal, uncreated, and the Creator of all >things.

    Chapter 2: The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit

    The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person, not an impersonal force.

    (1) "While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit
    said, 'Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have >called them.'" (Acts 13:2, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not speak, use personal pronouns like "me" and
    "I," or call men to the ministry. The Holy Spirit does all of these.

    (2) "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my
    name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all
    that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not teach or remind. The Holy Spirit is spoken
    of by Jesus with the masculine personal pronoun "he" (ekeinos),
    emphasizing His personality.

    (3) "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed
    for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30, ESV)
    An impersonal force or "active force" cannot be grieved. Only a personal >being with feelings and love can be grieved.

    (4) "All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who distributes
    to each one individually as he wills." (1 Corinthians 12:11, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not have a will. The Holy Spirit acts according
    to His own personal will.

    Proposition: The Holy Spirit is a living, divine Person who speaks,
    teaches, feels, and wills.

    Chapter 3: The Intermediate State and the Future of the Soul

    The soul of man does not sleep or cease to exist at death.

    (1) "Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the
    body and at home with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV)
    To be absent from the physical body is to be immediately "at home with
    the Lord." There is no intermediate state of unconsciousness or >non-existence.

    (2) "I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be
    with Christ, for that is far better." (Philippians 1:23, ESV)
    If death meant unconsciousness, departing would not be "far better" than >serving Christ on earth. Paul expected immediate, conscious fellowship
    with Christ upon departure.

    (3) "Behold, the soul of all lives is mine; the soul of the father as
    well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die."
    (Ezekiel 18:4, ESV)
    The "death" of the soul in Scripture does not mean annihilation or the
    end of conscious existence. It means spiritual separation from God,
    which culminates in the "second death"uthe eternal conscious punishment
    of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14).

    Proposition: The human soul continues in conscious existence immediately >after physical death.

    Chapter 4: The Destiny of the Wicked and Hellfire

    The wicked face immediate conscious torment in Hades and ultimate
    eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire.

    (1) "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.
    The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment,
    he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side." >(Luke 16:22-23, ESV)
    This passage reveals that immediately after death, the unrighteous are
    in conscious torment in Hades.

    (2) "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous
    into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46, ESV)
    The punishment of the wicked is of the exact same duration as the life
    of the righteousuboth are eternal (aionios). If the life of the saved is >unending, the punishment of the lost is also unending.

    (3) "and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of
    fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they
    will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Revelation 20:10, ESV) >The Lake of Fire is a place of conscious, unending torment. It does not >destroy the conscious existence of those thrown into it, but holds them
    in torment "forever and ever."

    Proposition: The punishment of the wicked is conscious and everlasting.

    Chapter 5: The Heavenly Hope of the Believer

    Believers are promised an eternal reward in heaven, not merely on the earth.

    (1) "In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I
    have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and
    prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself,
    that where I am you may be also." (John 14:2-3, ESV)
    Jesus went to heaven ("my Father's house") to prepare a place for His >disciples, promising to take them there so they could be with Him.

    (2) "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior,
    the Lord Jesus Christ," (Philippians 3:20, ESV)
    The believer's citizenship is currently in heaven, and our ultimate hope
    is centered there.

    (3) "For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed,
    we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the >heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1, ESV)
    The eternal home of the believer is "in the heavens." While the meek
    will inherit the earth in its renewed, glorified state, the believer's >absolute hope and home is heavenly.

    Proposition: Heaven is the promised eternal home and reward of every >believer.

    Chapter 6: The Future of the Earth

    The physical earth will be dissolved and renewed by fire.

    (1) "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the
    heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be
    burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it >will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:10, ESV)
    The physical earth and its works will be dissolved by fire at the day of
    the Lord.

    (2) "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and
    the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more." (Revelation
    21:1, ESV)
    The current physical earth will pass away to make way for a brand new, >righteous creation. Ecclesiastes 1:4 ("the earth remains forever") uses
    the Hebrew word "olam," which refers to an age or a long, continuous >duration, not absolute eternity. It remains until God's appointed time
    of judgment and renewal.

    Proposition: The current physical earth will be dissolved by fire and >replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible on Sun Jun 21 14:51:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

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    Sun, 21 Jun 2026 14:08:42 -0400,
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    Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

    On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:19:09 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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    Wed, 17 Jun 2026 13:14:20 -0400,
    <dse23lljp8f8csvsgcqphl7spuartf71p7@4ax.com>
    Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
    ========================================

    Get out from false religion. God wants that:


    Which means get out from "Jehovah's Witness" religion:

    Leaving the true religion will not get you any points from the
    Creator. (1 John 4:8)


    Chapter 1: The Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ


    [lies removed]

    See below:

    Which means get out from "Jehovah's Witness" religion:

    Chapter 1: The Divinity and Humanity of Jesus Christ

    Jesus Christ is God, the Creator of all things, not a created being.

    (1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
    Word was God." (John 1:1, ESV)
    The Word (Jesus Christ) was already in existence "in the beginning,"
    before any created thing. He was not created; He was with God, and He
    was God. The lack of the definite article before "God" (theos) does not
    mean He is a lesser "god," but rather distinguishes His person from the
    Father while fully asserting His divine nature. He is of the very same
    essence as God the Father.

    (2) "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
    creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth,
    visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesrCoall things were created through him and for him."
    (Colossians 1:15-16, ESV)
    The term "firstborn" (prototokos) does not mean Jesus was the first
    creature created, for the very next verse states that "by him all things
    were created." A created being cannot create all created things.
    "Firstborn" refers to His rank and pre-eminence as the heir of all
    creation, possessing the rights of the firstborn over all things.

    (3) "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: rCyThe words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.rCO" (Revelation 3:14, ESV)
    The word translated "beginning" is arche, which means the "source,"
    "origin," or "active cause." Jesus Christ is the origin and source of
    GodrCOs creation, not the first product of it.

    Proposition: Jesus Christ is eternal, uncreated, and the Creator of all things.

    Chapter 2: The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit

    The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person, not an impersonal force.

    (1) "While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit
    said, 'Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have
    called them.'" (Acts 13:2, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not speak, use personal pronouns like "me" and
    "I," or call men to the ministry. The Holy Spirit does all of these.

    (2) "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my
    name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all
    that I have said to you." (John 14:26, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not teach or remind. The Holy Spirit is spoken
    of by Jesus with the masculine personal pronoun "he" (ekeinos),
    emphasizing His personality.

    (3) "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed
    for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30, ESV)
    An impersonal force or "active force" cannot be grieved. Only a personal
    being with feelings and love can be grieved.

    (4) "All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who distributes
    to each one individually as he wills." (1 Corinthians 12:11, ESV)
    An impersonal force does not have a will. The Holy Spirit acts according
    to His own personal will.

    Proposition: The Holy Spirit is a living, divine Person who speaks,
    teaches, feels, and wills.

    Chapter 3: The Intermediate State and the Future of the Soul

    The soul of man does not sleep or cease to exist at death.

    (1) "Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the
    body and at home with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV)
    To be absent from the physical body is to be immediately "at home with
    the Lord." There is no intermediate state of unconsciousness or
    non-existence.

    (2) "I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be
    with Christ, for that is far better." (Philippians 1:23, ESV)
    If death meant unconsciousness, departing would not be "far better" than serving Christ on earth. Paul expected immediate, conscious fellowship
    with Christ upon departure.

    (3) "Behold, the soul of all lives is mine; the soul of the father as
    well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die."
    (Ezekiel 18:4, ESV)
    The "death" of the soul in Scripture does not mean annihilation or the
    end of conscious existence. It means spiritual separation from God,
    which culminates in the "second death"rCothe eternal conscious punishment
    of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14).

    Proposition: The human soul continues in conscious existence immediately
    after physical death.

    Chapter 4: The Destiny of the Wicked and Hellfire

    The wicked face immediate conscious torment in Hades and ultimate
    eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire.

    (1) "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.
    The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment,
    he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side."
    (Luke 16:22-23, ESV)
    This passage reveals that immediately after death, the unrighteous are
    in conscious torment in Hades.

    (2) "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous
    into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46, ESV)
    The punishment of the wicked is of the exact same duration as the life
    of the righteousrCoboth are eternal (aionios). If the life of the saved is unending, the punishment of the lost is also unending.

    (3) "and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of
    fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they
    will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Revelation 20:10, ESV)
    The Lake of Fire is a place of conscious, unending torment. It does not destroy the conscious existence of those thrown into it, but holds them
    in torment "forever and ever."

    Proposition: The punishment of the wicked is conscious and everlasting.

    Chapter 5: The Heavenly Hope of the Believer

    Believers are promised an eternal reward in heaven, not merely on the earth.

    (1) "In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I
    have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and
    prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself,
    that where I am you may be also." (John 14:2-3, ESV)
    Jesus went to heaven ("my Father's house") to prepare a place for His disciples, promising to take them there so they could be with Him.

    (2) "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior,
    the Lord Jesus Christ," (Philippians 3:20, ESV)
    The believer's citizenship is currently in heaven, and our ultimate hope
    is centered there.

    (3) "For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed,
    we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1, ESV)
    The eternal home of the believer is "in the heavens." While the meek
    will inherit the earth in its renewed, glorified state, the believer's absolute hope and home is heavenly.

    Proposition: Heaven is the promised eternal home and reward of every
    believer.

    Chapter 6: The Future of the Earth

    The physical earth will be dissolved and renewed by fire.

    (1) "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the
    heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be
    burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it
    will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:10, ESV)
    The physical earth and its works will be dissolved by fire at the day of
    the Lord.

    (2) "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and
    the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more." (Revelation
    21:1, ESV)
    The current physical earth will pass away to make way for a brand new, righteous creation. Ecclesiastes 1:4 ("the earth remains forever") uses
    the Hebrew word "olam," which refers to an age or a long, continuous
    duration, not absolute eternity. It remains until God's appointed time
    of judgment and renewal.

    Proposition: The current physical earth will be dissolved by fire and
    replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.
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