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Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:05:45 -0400,
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Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

Jesus never was, is not, and never will be, God

Yet, we know of the churches' teaching that God is a Trinity. Thus he
has 3 personalities.

Once again, the Satan's Witness accuser of the brethren promotes lies >against the church and the Bible.

OK, then you are calling the teaching that God is a Trinity, a lie?

The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah

45:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6). The Bible teaches that three distinct
persons
are God (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2). Neither the
Bible nor the church teaches that God has three personalities.

Persons, with personalities.

So again, your logic is that 1= 3. (please don't become a math
teacher) That 4th century Trinity doctrine is what the churches
assimilated . If God is made up of 3 personalities, yet is only ONE
GOD (Deut 6:4), then he suffers from Multiple Personalities. (DID) You
can't have it both ways.

The Council of Nicaea at 325 CE, defines the Trinity of today. That
council was NOT inspired (2 Tim 3:16) of God,
but inspired by imperfect men of the Catholic Church.

They created the Trinitarian Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed as found
on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2011:

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

IT SAYS GOD IS THE CREATOR OF "ALL THINGS".

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

[IF JESUS WAS BORN, THEN HE CAN'T BE GOD, SINCE GOD ALWAYS WAS. PS
90:2]

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,

[ILLOGICAL. IT IS LIKE ME SAYING "I CAME FROM ME"]

begotten, not made,

CONTRADICTS COL 1:15.

consubstantial with the Father;

JESUS IS NOT FULLY GOD. GOD IS SUPERIOR. 1 COR 11:3

through him all things were made.

THEY ALREADY SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CREED, THAT GOD MADE ALL
THINGS. NOW THEY SAY JESUS DID. SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE CONFUSED.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, THEN HE IMPREGNATED MARY. YOUR CREED
HERE IS BLASPHEMOUS.

and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,

JESUS WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS. GOD ALWAYS LIVED. THEY CAN'T BOTH BE GOD.

and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD SIGNIFIES A HIGH POSITION, BUT IS
SUBJECTION TO THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

IT IS GOD WHO GAVE LIFE. GEN 1:1.

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S ACTIVE FORCE, NOT A PERSON, ALLTHOUGH IT WAS PERSONIFIED. IT CAN FILL MANY PEOPLE, ACTS 2:1-4:

2 Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they
were all together at the same place. 2aSuddenly there was a noise from
heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the
whole house where they were sitting. 3aAnd tongues as if of fire
became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on
each one of them, 4aand they all became filled with holy spirit and
started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled
them to speak.

DID IT CHOP ITSELF UP INTO PIECES TO FILL MANY PEOPLE?

who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

THEY TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE CATHOLIC.

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.[3]

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE IF IT, BUT YOU ARE FULFILLING SCRIPTURE AS WE
SPEAK, MT 10:22:

-- New King James
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But
he who endures to the end will be saved.

NOTICE ALSO THAT THE CHURCHE'S "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED" IS A LIE.

Can we ever get to see a lasting peace? The Bible's coming peace may
surprise you.
See more at:
jw.org (6/9/2026)
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Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

The solitary true and saving gospel is that Christ died for our sins
and
rose from the grave (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). Any
modification of this gospel is false and leads to conscious, eternal
torment in the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36;
Revelation 14:11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). Unless you
believe Jesus is God, you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

Jesus took our place on the cross to settle our debt with God
(Colossians 2:14), and God confirmed the acceptance of this payment by
raising Him from death (Romans 1:4). Thus, God remains holy while
justifying the ungodly (Romans 3:26) and shielding them from future
wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This blessing is a free gift given to
those who believe (Romans 6:23). Place your confidence in Christ and
call on Him for salvation (Romans 10:9-13):

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Rather than respond directly to my previous article, you selectively
copied, modified, and pasted parts of my article into a separate new
thread. This was originally part of this thread:

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Tue, 09 Jun 2026 12:44:09 -0400,
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Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

Jesus never was, is not, and never will be, God

The Bible exposes that claim as a blasphemous lie:

Jesus was both with God and was God (not "was a god") in the beginning
(John 1:1-2). In Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells in bodily
form (Colossians 2:9). He is our great God and Savior (Titus 2:13). He
is "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28). He received worship that angels
reject (Revelation 22:8-9; Matthew 14:33). The Jews attempted to stone
Him for making himself equal to God (John 10:33). "All things" were
created through Him, not all "other" things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16).
He did not consider equality with God something to cling to, but emptied Himself and became obedient to provide an atonement for our sins
(Philippians 2:6-8). The disciples repeatedly equated Jesus Christ with
the "Kyrios" the LXX attributed to YHWH (Romans 10:9-13; Philippians
2:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3).

Yet, we know

Who's the "we" you claim to represent? Teachings aren't established as
right or wrong based on how many people agree with you. That you are apparently trying to rest your claims on people agreeing with you,
rather than the plain teaching of the Bible, exposes the weakness of
your view.

of the churches' teaching that God is a Trinity. Thus he
has 3 personalities.

rCo Neither the Bible nor the church teaches that God is one person
with three different personalities.

rCo The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy
6:4), yet three distinct persons (Matthew 28:19). Each person
(Father, Son, and Spirit), has his own, single, unique
identity.

rCo The mental illness you described involves a single person with
up to 200 different personalities. That's not the same as three
distinct persons who each have but one unique identity. Thus
you promote confusion, lies, and blasphemy about what the Bible
and the church teaches.

Once again, the Satan's Witness accuser of the brethren promotes lies
against the church and the Bible.

OK, then you are calling the teaching that God is a Trinity, a lie?

Idem. You misrepresented what both the Bible and church teach about the
triune nature of God.

The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah
45:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6). The Bible teaches that three distinct
persons are God (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2). Neither the
Bible nor the church teaches that God has three personalities.

Persons, with personalities.

idem. Notice, you now change your claim to "persons" with
"personalities" (one personality per person). Before (see above) you
tried to define the trinity teaching as meaning one person had three
different personalities. The Bible and church teach God is one being,
yet three distinct persons, with one personality per person, not that
God is one person with three personalities. You fabricate your own lies, falsely pretend they represent the teaching of the church, then
grand-stand against your own fabrications.

So again, your logic is that 1= 3. (please don't become a math
teacher) That 4th century Trinity doctrine is what the churches
assimilated . If God is made up of 3 personalities, yet is only ONE
GOD (Deut 6:4), then he suffers from Multiple Personalities. (DID) You
can't have it both ways.

idem. That's the formula you fabricated to misrepresent the Bible and
church. The Bible and church say that when it comes to God the being,
it's 1 God x 1 God x 1 God = 1 God. The Bible and church teach that 1
unique Person + 1 Unique Person, + 1 Unique Person = 3 persons (Father,
Son, and Spirit). So it's one God, three persons, one identity per
person, not multiple identities per one person.

The Council of Nicaea at 325 CE, defines the Trinity of today. That
council was NOT inspired (2 Tim 3:16) of God,
but inspired by imperfect men of the Catholic Church.

The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy 6:4), yet
three distinct persons (Matthew 28:19). The church does NOT teach God is
one person with three different personalities.

They created the Trinitarian Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed as found
on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2011:

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

IT SAYS GOD IS THE CREATOR OF "ALL THINGS".

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

Idem.

[IF JESUS WAS BORN, THEN HE CAN'T BE GOD, SINCE GOD ALWAYS WAS. PS
90:2]

You promote stupid lies. He was God in the beginning (John 1), yet He
had to be born into a human body at a point in time, to provide a substitutionary atone for our sins.

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,

[ILLOGICAL. IT IS LIKE ME SAYING "I CAME FROM ME"]

rCo The God of the Bible exceeds human comprehension and
investigation (Romans 11:33-34). If that doesn't make sense to
your puny faculties of reasoning, you fabricate something which
does, and call it "God".

rCo The fact Jesus came from God confirms He and the Father are
distinct persons. One God being, three distinct persons.

begotten, not made,

Clue: "begotten" in English translation "only begotten" (e.g. John 1:14)
is a single word in Greek: monogenes.

monogenes is derived from "monos" (only) and "genos" (kind, class, or
kind of being). It signifies being the unique, unique-in-kind, or one-of-a-kind representation of the Father. When used of Jesus, it
denotes His unique relationship to the Father, distinct from believers
who become children of God through adoption (John 1:12).

When Hebrews says "today I have begotten you", it's talking about the
day He raised Christ from the dead, not to Him being created.

CONTRADICTS COL 1:15.

You promote the same refuted lies and confusion over and over. It is you
and Satan's Witnesses who contradict Colossians 1:15. You promote the
lie and confusion that any time the word "firstborn" appears, it must
refer to the order in which something was created. This is false.

In Psalm 89:27, God declares concerning David, "I also will make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth," which establishes
firstborn as a title of preeminence and supreme rank, given that David
was actually the youngest son of Jesse rather than the first
chronologically.

Similarly, in Jeremiah 31:9, God states, "For I am a Father to Israel,
and Ephraim is My firstborn," despite the fact that Manasseh was the chronologically older brother of Ephraim, demonstrating that the title signifies a designation of priority and covenant inheritance.

In Exodus 4:22, the Lord commands Pharaoh, "Then you shall say to
Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord: "Israel is My son, My firstborn,"'" which applies the term to a whole nation to designate its chosen status, preeminence, and special relationship to God among all the nations of
the earth.

In Colossians 1:15, Jesus is described as "the firstborn of all
creation," which the subsequent verses immediately define not as being
part of creation, but as having supreme authority and preeminence over
it, "for by Him all things were created." Finally, in Colossians 1:18,
He is called "the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may
have the preeminence," showing that the term denotes His rightful
position of absolute supremacy, sovereignty, and headship over all things.

You promote continual confusion and contradiction to what the Bible teaches.

consubstantial with the Father;

JESUS IS NOT FULLY GOD. GOD IS SUPERIOR. 1 COR 11:3

You repeat the same stupid, refuted lies and confusion over and over.
Husbands and wives are equal as human beings (Genesis 1:27), and as
children of God (Galatians 3:28), but different in role and function (Ephesians 5:22-25). Your heresy would mean that if a wife submits to
her husband, she's not human, and not a child of God.

The Bible specifically states that Christ did not cling to His rights to
be treated like God, but emptied Himself, voluntarily taking the form of
a servant, in order to provide an atonement for our sins (Philippians
2:1-6). The superiority of the Father is in role and function, not in
essence of being.

through him all things were made.

The Bible says "all things", not all "other" things, like the NWT heresy
Bible claims. That means He cannot be a created thing, but must be the Creator. That's why you and the other Satan's Witnesses realized you had
to keep inserting the word "other" into Colossians 1, where it never
occurs. And no, it wasn't for "clarity", since "all things" makes
perfect, clear sense, unless you have predetermined to contradict and
deny any reference in the Bible which clearly shows Jesus is God.

THEY ALREADY SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CREED, THAT GOD MADE ALL
THINGS. NOW THEY SAY JESUS DID. SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE CONFUSED.

The fact Jesus created "all things" proves He is God. The only confusion
here is what you're trying to read lies into the Bible and what the
church says.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, THEN HE IMPREGNATED MARY. YOUR CREED
HERE IS BLASPHEMOUS.

YOU are the one promoting blasphemy and confusion against the Holy Spirit.

rCo To begin, both the Father and Spirit are persons. You can't
have it being sin if the Holy Spirit (a person) causes her to
conceive, but not sin if the Father (a person) caused her to
conceive. By trying to associate the Holy Spirit with evil, you
are unwittingly also implying that God the Father committed
fornication.

rCo Secondly, God doesn't have to have sexual relations with a
woman to cause her to conceive. You fabricate blasphemy, then
accuse others of it.

and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,

JESUS WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS. GOD ALWAYS LIVED. THEY CAN'T BOTH BE GOD.

You promote stupid lies and confusion. Jesus is both God and man
(Philippians 2; John 1). His human body died, not His God nature.

and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD SIGNIFIES A HIGH POSITION, BUT IS
SUBJECTION TO THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

See above. Your stupid lies would mean women can't be children of God or
human beings, because they submit to their husbands. Christ voluntarily yielded His right to be treated like God, to take the form of a servant,
so He could provide a propitiating, substitutionary atonement for our
sins (Philippians 2). Submission pertains to role and function, not
essence of being.

He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

IT IS GOD WHO GAVE LIFE. GEN 1:1.

Which proves that the Father, Son, and Spirit are God:

In John 6:63, Jesus states, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing."

In 2 Corinthians 3:6, the text states, "who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for
the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

In Romans 8:11, the text states, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised
Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead
will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells
in you."

In John 5:21, Jesus states, "For as the Father raises the dead and gives
life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will."

In John 10:28, Jesus states concerning His followers, "And I give them
eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch
them out of My hand."

In John 1:3-4, the text states concerning the Son, "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was
life, and the life was the light of men."

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S ACTIVE FORCE,

There is no verse in Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God's active force. That's the phrase you made up to deny and contradict what the
Bible actually says. Scripture uniformly presents the Holy Spirit not as
an impersonal force, but as a person who possesses the attributes of personalityrCosuch as a mind (Romans 8:27), emotions (Ephesians 4:30), and
a will (1 Corinthians 12:11)rCoand who is explicitly identified as God
(Acts 5:3-4).

NOT A PERSON, ALLTHOUGH IT WAS
PERSONIFIED.

That's not what the Bible says. That's just the lie YOU keep repeating
to contradict the Bible.

The Bible personifies wisdom in Proverbs, but only in a generic sense.
It says wisdom does things like warn people that adultery is foolish,
advise them to fear God, etc. The Holy Spirit, by contrast, gives
specific local information and instruction to specific believers, like informing Philip that there's an Ethiopian over here and that he should
go witness to him (Acts). Personified wisdom never does things like that.


IT CAN FILL MANY PEOPLE, ACTS 2:1-4:


Which proves the Holy Spirit is God. Only God could fill many people.

2 Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they
were all together at the same place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the
whole house where they were sitting. 3 And tongues as if of fire
became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on
each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and
started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled
them to speak.

DID IT CHOP ITSELF UP INTO PIECES TO FILL MANY PEOPLE?

This is where, once again, you deny the God who exceeds human wisdom and calculation (Romans 11), to invent and worship a god that makes sense to
your feeble comprehension. God can be everywhere at once without
dividing Himself in pieces. In Him we live and move and have our being.
God is present everywhere in a general sense, and living in the hearts
of believers in a specific sense.

who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

THEY TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE CATHOLIC.

You are a complete tool and imbecile. The word catholic comes from the
Greek adjective katholikos, which means universal, general, or
all-embracing. It is derived from the phrase kath' holou, meaning
according to the whole, or throughout the whole. In a theological and historical context, the term denotes the universal nature of the church
as a single, worldwide body spanning all times and places, rather than referring exclusively to a specific denomination.

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.[3]

Which the Bible teaches is true for every believer, not just the
144,000. Revelation 7 specifically states that the 144,000 are from the children of the tribes of "Israel", then contrasts that group with the multitudes from every tribe and tongue, who will also worship God around
His throne. NOWHERE does the Bible teach the LIE that only 144,000
believers will be with God.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE IF IT, BUT YOU ARE FULFILLING SCRIPTURE AS WE
SPEAK, MT 10:22:

-- New King James
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But
he who endures to the end will be saved.

Paul and James did not contradict each other. Justification can mean to
make, declare, or show to be righteous. Paul is talking about
justification in the sense of how God makes and declares a believer to
be righteous. That is only by grace, only by faith in Christ, and only
apart from our works.

James talks about justification in the sense of showing yourself to be righteous to men. He specifically says show me your faith without works,
and I'll show you my faith by my works. Thus, he's talking about
justification in the sense of showing men that you are righteous, not in
the sense of how a man becomes right with God.

Romans 8 shows that those whom God justifies, He also glorifies.
Glorification doesn't happen until the believer reaches glory. God
speaks of it as an act already accomplished in the past. This means that everyone who ever actually trusts in Christ for salvation, will also be glorified. He's predestined to that outcome. Thus, endurance is the
evidence of saving faith, not a condition by which men earn or
contribute to a right standing and relationship with God. Jude confirms
this (Jude 24-25).
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Good News rCa

Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

Salvation comes solely through the true gospel: that Christ died for our
sins and rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). Any alternative gospel is false and results in conscious, eternal torment in
the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:18; Revelation 14:9-11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:11-15). Rejecting the deity of Jesus
means you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

By dying on the cross, Christ canceled the legal debt of our sins
against God (Colossians 2:14), and God validated this victory by raising
Him from the grave (Romans 1:4). God is now able to justly declare
sinners righteous (Romans 3:26) and spare them from His future wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This grace is freely given to all who place their
trust in Him (Romans 6:23). Put your faith in the Lord and call on His
name to be saved (Romans 10:9-13):

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On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 17:22:47 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Rather than respond directly to my previous article, you selectively
copied, modified, and pasted parts of my article into a separate new
thread. This was originally part of this thread:

I have no idea,zero,null, what you are talking about. Really. You keep
making accusations that you know how I function. Do you know how far
away the planet Neptune is?

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Tue, 09 Jun 2026 12:44:09 -0400,
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Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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Jesus never was, is not, and never will be, God.

The Bible exposes that claim as a blasphemous lie:

Jesus was both with God and was God (not "was a god") in the beginning
(John 1:1-2).

As I keep repeating, the 2nd theos in that verse has no definite
article (ho) before it. Greek scholars say then it acts like an
adjective than an identity.

Also verse 2 says Jesus had a beginning. Thus he was created. (Col
1:15)

In Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells in bodily
form (Colossians 2:9).

The Greek word for godhead is "theotes" and Strong says it means
"divinity". Divinity means:

"Divinity fundamentally refers to the state, quality, or nature of
being divineuessentially possessing the essence of a deity, holiness,
or godhood" (Merriam-Webster)

That fits Jesus to the tee, since he is "a god" (NTIV) and all the
angels must bow before him. (show deep respect, not worship)

He is our great God and Savior (Titus 2:13).

Look at the context. Verses 11 & 12 talk about Jehovah God. Thus "our
great God" refers to Jehovah God.

He
is "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

You forgot the explanation point "!". Also it doesn't say "He is". He
just used an expression of surprise like, HOLY SMOKE!!

The same writer later on describes Jesus not as God. So skip down to
verse 31:

He wrote that Jesus was the "Son of God". A son is never also his
father.

He received worship that angels
reject (Revelation 22:8-9; Matthew 14:33).

Reject what? Mt 14:33 of Strong's says the Greek word for "worship" is "proskuneo". And it means:

"prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):" It is that
translator that sticks in the word "worship". Notice this one:

-- New American with Apocrypha
Matthew 14:33 Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying,
"Truly, you are the Son of God."

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Matthew 14:33 The men in the boat bowed down before him and said,
"Truly, you are the Son of God."

So those in the boat didn't call him God, but the "Son of God".
And that is similar what the angel Gabriel called Jesus:

-- Revised Standard
Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most
High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father
David,...

The Jews attempted to stone
Him for making himself equal to God (John 10:33).

Don't take to heart every thing those Jews say. They once said that
Jesus got his powers from Satan.


"All things" were

created through Him, not all "other" things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16).

Then Jesus created himself?

He did not consider equality with God something to cling to, but emptied >Himself and became obedient to provide an atonement for our sins >(Philippians 2:6-8). The disciples repeatedly equated Jesus Christ with
the "Kyrios" the LXX attributed to YHWH (Romans 10:9-13; Philippians
2:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3).

Staying with the same false statement I see. Then so will I stay with
the same true statement. The LXX that you use, is from the 4th
century. There are fragments of OLDER copies. And they don't say
"Lord". They kept the Tetragrammaton in the text. For example:

"P. Fouad Inv. 266".

Yet, we know

Who's the "we" you claim to represent? Teachings aren't established as
right or wrong based on how many people agree with you. That you are >apparently trying to rest your claims on people agreeing with you,
rather than the plain teaching of the Bible, exposes the weakness of
your view.

There you go again, you are trying to psychoanalyze me. Please don't
get into that line of work, since you are not that good at it.
I don't lie. I may screw up and quote the wrong Scripture or
something, but that is not a lie just a mistake. learn to distinguish
that.

of the churches' teaching that God is a Trinity. Thus he
has 3 personalities.

o Neither the Bible nor the church teaches that God is one person
with three different personalities.

You are all wrong, You make God to be made up of 3 persons with their
own personalities. Like what Jesus said:

-- New King James
John 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will
of the Father who sent Me.

TWO SEPARATE WILLS. And also this one:

-- American Standard
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the
angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.

Logically Jesus cannot be God.

They might as well since they say God consists of 3 persons.

o The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy
6:4), yet three distinct persons

That's makes God become a multiple personality. And in this case, it
can't be cured.

(Matthew 28:19). Each person
(Father, Son, and Spirit), has his own, single, unique
identity.

o The mental illness you described involves a single person with
up to 200 different personalities. That's not the same as three
distinct persons who each have but one unique identity.

Actually it is the same. Each personality is different. (like some
wear glasses, and some don't) And they all have a unique identity,
Their host. (the original person)

Thus
you promote confusion, lies, and blasphemy about what the Bible
and the church teaches.

What the churches teach is "confusion, lies, and blasphemy". They are
so different from true Bible teachings, that it is not even funny.

Once again, the Satan's Witness accuser of the brethren promotes lies
against the church and the Bible.

OK, then you are calling the teaching that God is a Trinity, a lie?

Idem. You misrepresented what both the Bible and church teach about the >triune nature of God.

I hear you, but I don't see any proof.

The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah
45:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6). The Bible teaches that three distinct
persons are God (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2). Neither the
Bible nor the church teaches that God has three personalities.

Persons, with personalities.

idem. Notice, you now change your claim to "persons" with
"personalities" (one personality per person). Before (see above) you
tried to define the trinity teaching as meaning one person had three >different personalities. The Bible and church teach God is one being,
yet three distinct persons,

Mathematically, in other words 1= 3. And you expect people to believe
that. Sadly many do. The Trinity has been put in like the prime
attraction to Christendom. To call the Trinity bogus, is to step on a
lot of toes. But like Jesus, the truth needs to be spoken.

God is looking for those with ACCURATE knowledge. Notice:

-- King James
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but
not according to knowledge.

Strong says the Greek word for "knowledge" is "epignosis", and that
word means:

"Strong's Ref. # 1922

Romanized epignosis
Pronounced ep-ig'-no-sis

from GSN1921; recognition, i.e. (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgement:

It says that "epignosis" can mean "full discernment"which goes with
Romans 10:2.

with one personality per person, not that

God is one person with three personalities. You fabricate your own lies, >falsely pretend they represent the teaching of the church, then
grand-stand against your own fabrications.

So again, your logic is that 1= 3. (please don't become a math
teacher) That 4th century Trinity doctrine is what the churches
assimilated . If God is made up of 3 personalities, yet is only ONE
GOD (Deut 6:4), then he suffers from Multiple Personalities. (DID) You
can't have it both ways.

idem. That's the formula you fabricated to misrepresent the Bible and >church. The Bible and church say that when it comes to God the being,
it's 1 God x 1 God x 1 God = 1 God. The Bible and church teach that 1
unique Person + 1 Unique Person, + 1 Unique Person = 3 persons (Father,
Son, and Spirit). So it's one God, three persons, one identity per
person, not multiple identities per one person.

Yes it is, you have made it come out that way. There are multiple
identities within God, according to you. That makes Him a DID,
Dissociative Identity Disorder person. Each personality is unique.
Like today, some wear glasses, some don't. Their voices are different.
So is their names, also, they may not know what the others know, etc.

The Council of Nicaea at 325 CE, defines the Trinity of today. That
council was NOT inspired (2 Tim 3:16) of God,
but inspired by imperfect men of the Catholic Church.

The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy 6:4), yet
three distinct persons (Matthew 28:19). The church does NOT teach God is
one person with three different personalities.

Whether they teach it or not, that is what the truth of the matter is,
if God is a Trinity. It is an illogical doctrine, and comes from the
4th century.

They created the Trinitarian Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed as found
on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2011:

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

IT SAYS GOD IS THE CREATOR OF "ALL THINGS".

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

Idem.

[IF JESUS WAS BORN, THEN HE CAN'T BE GOD, SINCE GOD ALWAYS WAS. PS
90:2]

You promote stupid lies. He was God in the beginning (John 1), yet He
had to be born into a human body at a point in time, to provide a >substitutionary atone for our sins.

You still don't get it. It's not that complicated. Jesus was the first
of God's creations. Everything else was created by God (Gen 1:1)
through Jesus:

-- New King James
Revelation 3:14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans
write, `These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,

[ILLOGICAL. IT IS LIKE ME SAYING "I CAME FROM ME"]

o The God of the Bible exceeds human comprehension and
investigation (Romans 11:33-34). If that doesn't make sense to
your puny faculties of reasoning, you fabricate something which
does, and call it "God".

Not at all,

o The fact Jesus came from God confirms He and the Father are
distinct persons. One God being, three distinct persons.

You then seem to think that ridicules Bible teachings like the pagan
4th century Trinity are OK to believe because God exceeds human
comprehension. Then people could believe anything if they say it comes
from God. The Bible doesn't work that way.

Paul is one of many examples who have Holy Spirit. Notice what Paul
did at Acts 17:2,

-- New King James
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for
three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Thus we don't just gulp down a Bible doctrine given by another person.
We REASON on the Scriptures to verify it. The Bereans were wise in
that area: Acts 17:10.11,

10. Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night
to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that
they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures
daily to find out whether these things were so. (NKJV)

Have you followed his example? If the churches say 'believe the
Trinity', do you just gulp it down? Like the RCC teaching of Limbo?

begotten, not made,

Clue: "begotten" in English translation "only begotten" (e.g. John 1:14)
is a single word in Greek: monogenes.

monogenes is derived from "monos" (only) and "genos" (kind, class, or
kind of being). It signifies being the unique, unique-in-kind, or >one-of-a-kind representation of the Father. When used of Jesus, it
denotes His unique relationship to the Father, distinct from believers
who become children of God through adoption (John 1:12).

When Hebrews says "today I have begotten you", it's talking about the
day He raised Christ from the dead, not to Him being created. So you are saying, since Jesus is God, that Jesus raised himself?

Yes I know, like the Trinity, we can never comprehend all of God.

CONTRADICTS COL 1:15.

You promote the same refuted lies and confusion over and over. It is you
and Satan's Witnesses who contradict Colossians 1:15. You promote the
lie and confusion that any time the word "firstborn" appears, it must
refer to the order in which something was created. This is false.

In Psalm 89:27, God declares concerning David, "I also will make him My >firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth," which establishes >firstborn as a title of preeminence and supreme rank, given that David
was actually the youngest son of Jesse rather than the first >chronologically.

Similarly, in Jeremiah 31:9, God states, "For I am a Father to Israel,
and Ephraim is My firstborn," despite the fact that Manasseh was the >chronologically older brother of Ephraim, demonstrating that the title >signifies a designation of priority and covenant inheritance.

In Exodus 4:22, the Lord commands Pharaoh, "Then you shall say to
Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord: "Israel is My son, My firstborn,"'" which >applies the term to a whole nation to designate its chosen status, >preeminence, and special relationship to God among all the nations of
the earth.

In Colossians 1:15, Jesus is described as "the firstborn of all
creation," which the subsequent verses immediately define not as being
part of creation, but as having supreme authority and preeminence over
it, "for by Him all things were created."

Finally, in Colossians 1:18,
He is called "the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may
have the preeminence,"

But not over God:

-- King James
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
Christ is God.




showing that the term denotes His rightful

position of absolute supremacy, sovereignty, and headship over all things.

But not over God. (1 Cor 11:3)

You promote continual confusion and contradiction to what the Bible teaches.

I see words, but no proof.

consubstantial with the Father;

JESUS IS NOT FULLY GOD. GOD IS SUPERIOR. 1 COR 11:3

You repeat the same stupid, refuted lies and confusion over and over. >Husbands and wives are equal as human beings (Genesis 1:27), and as
children of God (Galatians 3:28), but different in role and function >(Ephesians 5:22-25). Your heresy would mean that if a wife submits to
her husband, she's not human, and not a child of God.

The Bible specifically states that Christ did not cling to His rights to
be treated like God, but emptied Himself, voluntarily taking the form of
a servant, in order to provide an atonement for our sins (Philippians >2:1-6). The superiority of the Father is in role and function, not in >essence of being.

It doesn't quantify God being the head of Christ in Heaven. It just
says God is the head of Jesus.

through him all things were made.

The Bible says "all things", not all "other" things, like the NWT heresy >Bible claims. That means He cannot be a created thing, but must be the >Creator.

That's why you and the other Satan's Witnesses realized you had

to keep inserting the word "other" into Colossians 1, where it never
occurs. And no, it wasn't for "clarity", since "all things" makes
perfect, clear sense, unless you have predetermined to contradict and
deny any reference in the Bible which clearly shows Jesus is God.

Not at all. This is two times you said the NWT added something. All
Bibles occasionaly add words for understanding.
But more than that, your Bible REMOVED THE TETRAGRAMMATON in the OT
and added the word "Lord", which it never occurs. Yours did it about
7000 TIMES!!!

So the score is now about 7000 to 2.

THEY ALREADY SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CREED, THAT GOD MADE ALL
THINGS. NOW THEY SAY JESUS DID. SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE CONFUSED.

The fact Jesus created "all things" proves He is God.

On the contrary, your claim contradicts Gen 1:1. It's not that hard.
God created Jesus (Col 1:15) And God continued to create all things
through Jesus.

The only confusion
here is what you're trying to read lies into the Bible and what the
church says.

Not at all. You keep saying "church" not 'churches'. Thus you claim
your religion is the true one. Next to JW's, That is what the
Catholics say. But they have also added things not in the Bible. Like
Purgatory and Limbo and Trinity and hellfire and immortal souls and
etc and etc.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, THEN HE IMPREGNATED MARY. YOUR CREED
HERE IS BLASPHEMOUS.

YOU are the one promoting blasphemy and confusion against the Holy Spirit.

More opinions but no proof.

o To begin, both the Father and Spirit are persons. You can't
have it being sin if the Holy Spirit (a person) causes her to
conceive, but not sin if the Father (a person) caused her to
conceive.

The Holy Spirit can get inside a person. (fill a person) God does not.

By trying to associate the Holy Spirit with evil, you
are unwittingly also implying that God the Father committed
fornication.

It isn't me, I am saying IF YOU BELIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON,
you cause that conclusion to be reached.

Here is the truth about such things. The Holy Spirit is God's active
force that accomplishes God's will. It is quite holy since it is
called the HOLY SPIRIT. You shouldn't even mention the Holy Spirit is
evil. Some might mistaken what you said.

o Secondly, God doesn't have to have sexual relations with a
woman to cause her to conceive. You fabricate blasphemy, then
accuse others of it.

God is a Spirit, thus has no gender. (John 4:24)

and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,

JESUS WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS. GOD ALWAYS LIVED. THEY CAN'T BOTH BE GOD.

You promote stupid lies and confusion. Jesus is both God and man >(Philippians 2; John 1). His human body died, not His God nature.

He gave all of that up when he became human. (emptyed it)

and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD SIGNIFIES A HIGH POSITION, BUT IS
SUBJECTION TO THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

See above. Your stupid lies would mean women can't be children of God or >human beings, because they submit to their husbands.

Christ and God are not husband and wife. God has an arragement of
things and is highly organized. He had Paul say this at 1 Cor 11:3.

Christ voluntarily
yielded His right to be treated like God, to take the form of a servant,
so He could provide a propitiating, substitutionary atonement for our
sins (Philippians 2). Submission pertains to role and function, not
essence of being.

Jesus said that God was greater than him. (John 14:28) Paul wrote that
God is over Jesus in Heaven. Those are two Bible truths. Your
interpretation condtradicts Scripture, such as we just discussed, John
14:28 and 1 Cor 11:3.

He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

IT IS GOD WHO GAVE LIFE. GEN 1:1.

Which proves that the Father, Son, and Spirit are God:

How in the world does that prove the pagan Trinity??

In John 6:63, Jesus states, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh >profits nothing."

In 2 Corinthians 3:6, the text states, "who also made us sufficient as >ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for
the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

In Romans 8:11, the text states, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised
Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead
will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells
in you."

Yes, God's Spirit is life giving. How does that make a Trinity?

In John 5:21, Jesus states, "For as the Father raises the dead and gives >life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will."

In John 10:28, Jesus states concerning His followers, "And I give them >eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch
them out of My hand."

In John 1:3-4, the text states concerning the Son, "All things were made >through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was >life, and the life was the light of men."

Yes, after he was created, God created things THROUGH Jesus.

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S ACTIVE FORCE,

There is no verse in Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God's active >force. That's the phrase you made up to deny and contradict what the
Bible actually says. Scripture uniformly presents the Holy Spirit not as
an impersonal force, but as a person who possesses the attributes of >personalityusuch as a mind (Romans 8:27), emotions (Ephesians 4:30), and
a will (1 Corinthians 12:11)uand who is explicitly identified as God
(Acts 5:3-4).

That's called personification, just like wisdom is personified.

NOT A PERSON, ALLTHOUGH IT WAS
PERSONIFIED.

That's not what the Bible says. That's just the lie YOU keep repeating
to contradict the Bible.

God knows I don't lie. I stick to the Bible only. I have found the NWT
compared to many other popular tranlations, to be superior to all.

The Bible personifies wisdom in Proverbs, but only in a generic sense.
It says wisdom does things like warn people that adultery is foolish,
advise them to fear God, etc. The Holy Spirit, by contrast, gives
specific local information and instruction to specific believers, like >informing Philip that there's an Ethiopian over here and that he should
go witness to him (Acts). Personified wisdom never does things like that.

So they differ a bit. What's your point?

IT CAN FILL MANY PEOPLE, ACTS 2:1-4:

Which proves the Holy Spirit is God. Only God could fill many people.

So can a supernatural energy and force from Jehovah.

2 Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they
were all together at the same place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from
heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the
whole house where they were sitting. 3 And tongues as if of fire
became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on
each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and
started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled
them to speak.

DID IT CHOP ITSELF UP INTO PIECES TO FILL MANY PEOPLE?

This is where, once again, you deny the God who exceeds human wisdom and >calculation (Romans 11), to invent and worship a god that makes sense to >your feeble comprehension. God can be everywhere at once without
dividing Himself in pieces. In Him we live and move and have our being.
God is present everywhere in a general sense, and living in the hearts
of believers in a specific sense.

We were talking about the Holy Spirit not the body of God.

who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

THEY TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE CATHOLIC.

You are a complete tool and imbecile. The word catholic comes from the
Greek adjective katholikos, which means universal, general, or >all-embracing.

It is derived from the phrase kath' holou, meaning

according to the whole, or throughout the whole. In a theological and >historical context, the term denotes the universal nature of the church
as a single, worldwide body spanning all times and places, rather than >referring exclusively to a specific denomination.

So??

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.[3]

Which the Bible teaches is true for every believer, not just the
144,000. Revelation 7 specifically states that the 144,000 are from the >children of the tribes of "Israel",

Check out those tribes. They are not all Israelite tribes.


then contrasts that group with the

multitudes from every tribe and tongue, who will also worship God around
His throne. NOWHERE does the Bible teach the LIE that only 144,000
believers will be with God.

The 144,000 are referred to as a "little flock". (LUke 12:32) They are
the only ones going to Heaven to RULE with Christ.
The rest of mankind are the unnumbered Great Crowed, who will live by
a paradise earth.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE IF IT, BUT YOU ARE FULFILLING SCRIPTURE AS WE
SPEAK, MT 10:22:

-- New King James
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But
he who endures to the end will be saved.

Paul and James did not contradict each other. Justification can mean to >make, declare, or show to be righteous. Paul is talking about
justification in the sense of how God makes and declares a believer to
be righteous. That is only by grace, only by faith in Christ, and only
apart from our works.

A Bible truth: -- New King James
James 2:20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without
works is dead?

James talks about justification in the sense of showing yourself to be >righteous to men. He specifically says show me your faith without works,
and I'll show you my faith by my works. Thus, he's talking about >justification in the sense of showing men that you are righteous, not in
the sense of how a man becomes right with God.

Romans 8 shows that those whom God justifies, He also glorifies. >Glorification doesn't happen until the believer reaches glory. God
speaks of it as an act already accomplished in the past. This means that >everyone who ever actually trusts in Christ for salvation, will also be >glorified.

Not really. Notice:

- New King James
Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
There is no 'once saved, always saved.


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He's predestined to that outcome. Thus, endurance is the

evidence of saving faith, not a condition by which men earn or
contribute to a right standing and relationship with God. Jude confirms
this (Jude 24-25).

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On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 17:22:47 -0500, Christ Rose
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Rather than respond directly to my previous article, you selectively
copied, modified, and pasted parts of my article into a separate new
thread. This was originally part of this thread:

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Jesus never was, is not, and never will be, God

The Bible exposes that claim as a blasphemous lie:

Jesus was both with God and was God (not "was a god")

Listen to what you are saying. It is illogical. Let's say it in
different terms: he was with Sam, and was Sam. You can't see the
illogic of it? That all stems from that 4th century false Trinity
doctrine.

A group of uninspired men in the 4th century, TOOK THAT DOCTRINE AND INCORPERATED IT INTO CHRISTENDOM! It don't exist in the Bible. It is
the word of men, not the word of God.

It is just like translators took out the thousands of Tetragrammatons
found in the OT, and stuck in the word "Lord". That is a gross mistake
of those translators. For example,

Here is the KJV translation of Ps 83:18,

-- King James
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is
Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

Now look at your translation at Ps 83:18 in the ESV:

"that they may know that you alone,
whose name is the Lord,
are the Most High over all the earth."

Why aren't you shouting from house tops the deliberate changing of the Scriptures not only once, but thousands of times? Yet you accept that
hands down. Why? It even makes God a LIAR here. Lord is a title, NOT A
NAME. You need to rethink your beliefs BASED on the BIBLE this time.
And leave behind the churches' teachings.

The Greek Septuagint that you say "Lord" is found there, is of the 4th
century. They have OLDER fragments around the 1st century BCE that
shows the Tetragrammaton in place there. It was not replaced. Thus the
original Septuagint contained God's name. I even gave you the name of
a fragment: "P. Fouad inv. 266", dated 1 BCE.

But back to the bogus John 1:1. You should know that Greek translation
rule by now, which John 1:1 says.

Thus you promote confusion, lies, and blasphemy about what the >Bible and the church teaches.

MANY of the things that churches teach are bogus:

Trinity, (from 4th century)
all righteous go to Heaven,
hellfire,
immortal soul,
the celebration of pagan holidays such as Easter and Halloween,
Catholics calling their priests "Father",
the pagan cross for the symbol of Christianity,
Mormon's teaching different gospel,
homosexual leaders in the church,
prayers for the dead,
pedophiles,
forbidding certain foods,
some forbidding alcohol,
Jesus turned the water into grape juice,
Jesus is Jehovah God,
God tortures with fire unrighteous people for all eternity,
the no name Holy Spirit is a person,
they make no attempt to call God by a NAME,
the resurrected ones get judged right away,
they are not fulfilling Mt 24:14,
they are supposed to be "no part of the world" but they are,
confessionals,
praying to saints,
mother of God,
Jesus returns physically to earth,
Jesus was resurrected with a physical body,
They don't obey "abstain...from blood",
At physical death they say they continue to live,
They will go to war and kill the enemy when politician says to,
they teach that must obey the 10 commandments,
Purgatory,
Limbo,
Many believe in evolution,
Don't teach people living on the earth forever,
All needed for eternal life is faith in Jesus,
Once saved always saved,
They use images in their worship,
Don't teach that Jesus was created by God,
They mock the best Bible translation of all, NWT,
Teach that must obey Sabbath,
They don't teach that Satan is ruling this planet,
They don't teach that death removes all sins as Paul says,
Don't teach that all Mosaic laws ended when Christ died,
They don't teach that Jesus was archangel Michael,
Don't teach that Jesus return will be invisible,
They don't teach that none of OT people went to Heaven,

And you wonder why I don't support the churches!

I looked below, and it is the same arguments as before. So I am going
to stop it here.

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in the beginning
(John 1:1-2). In Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells in bodily
form (Colossians 2:9). He is our great God and Savior (Titus 2:13). He
is "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28). He received worship that angels
reject (Revelation 22:8-9; Matthew 14:33). The Jews attempted to stone
Him for making himself equal to God (John 10:33). "All things" were
created through Him, not all "other" things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16).
He did not consider equality with God something to cling to, but emptied >Himself and became obedient to provide an atonement for our sins >(Philippians 2:6-8). The disciples repeatedly equated Jesus Christ with
the "Kyrios" the LXX attributed to YHWH (Romans 10:9-13; Philippians
2:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3).

Yet, we know

Who's the "we" you claim to represent? Teachings aren't established as
right or wrong based on how many people agree with you. That you are >apparently trying to rest your claims on people agreeing with you,
rather than the plain teaching of the Bible, exposes the weakness of
your view.

of the churches' teaching that God is a Trinity. Thus he
has 3 personalities.

o Neither the Bible nor the church teaches that God is one person
with three different personalities.

o The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy
6:4), yet three distinct persons (Matthew 28:19). Each person
(Father, Son, and Spirit), has his own, single, unique
identity.

o The mental illness you described involves a single person with
up to 200 different personalities. That's not the same as three
distinct persons who each have but one unique identity. Thus
you promote confusion, lies, and blasphemy about what the Bible
and the church teaches.

Once again, the Satan's Witness accuser of the brethren promotes lies
against the church and the Bible.

OK, then you are calling the teaching that God is a Trinity, a lie?

Idem. You misrepresented what both the Bible and church teach about the >triune nature of God.

The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah
45:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6). The Bible teaches that three distinct
persons are God (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2). Neither the
Bible nor the church teaches that God has three personalities.

Persons, with personalities.

idem. Notice, you now change your claim to "persons" with
"personalities" (one personality per person). Before (see above) you
tried to define the trinity teaching as meaning one person had three >different personalities. The Bible and church teach God is one being,
yet three distinct persons, with one personality per person, not that
God is one person with three personalities. You fabricate your own lies, >falsely pretend they represent the teaching of the church, then
grand-stand against your own fabrications.

So again, your logic is that 1= 3. (please don't become a math
teacher) That 4th century Trinity doctrine is what the churches
assimilated . If God is made up of 3 personalities, yet is only ONE
GOD (Deut 6:4), then he suffers from Multiple Personalities. (DID) You
can't have it both ways.

idem. That's the formula you fabricated to misrepresent the Bible and >church. The Bible and church say that when it comes to God the being,
it's 1 God x 1 God x 1 God = 1 God. The Bible and church teach that 1
unique Person + 1 Unique Person, + 1 Unique Person = 3 persons (Father,
Son, and Spirit). So it's one God, three persons, one identity per
person, not multiple identities per one person.

The Council of Nicaea at 325 CE, defines the Trinity of today. That
council was NOT inspired (2 Tim 3:16) of God,
but inspired by imperfect men of the Catholic Church.

The Bible and the church teach God is one being (Deuteronomy 6:4), yet
three distinct persons (Matthew 28:19). The church does NOT teach God is
one person with three different personalities.

They created the Trinitarian Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed as found
on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2011:

"I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

IT SAYS GOD IS THE CREATOR OF "ALL THINGS".

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.

Idem.

[IF JESUS WAS BORN, THEN HE CAN'T BE GOD, SINCE GOD ALWAYS WAS. PS
90:2]

You promote stupid lies. He was God in the beginning (John 1), yet He
had to be born into a human body at a point in time, to provide a >substitutionary atone for our sins.

God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,

[ILLOGICAL. IT IS LIKE ME SAYING "I CAME FROM ME"]

o The God of the Bible exceeds human comprehension and
investigation (Romans 11:33-34). If that doesn't make sense to
your puny faculties of reasoning, you fabricate something which
does, and call it "God".

o The fact Jesus came from God confirms He and the Father are
distinct persons. One God being, three distinct persons.

begotten, not made,

Clue: "begotten" in English translation "only begotten" (e.g. John 1:14)
is a single word in Greek: monogenes.

monogenes is derived from "monos" (only) and "genos" (kind, class, or
kind of being). It signifies being the unique, unique-in-kind, or >one-of-a-kind representation of the Father. When used of Jesus, it
denotes His unique relationship to the Father, distinct from believers
who become children of God through adoption (John 1:12).

When Hebrews says "today I have begotten you", it's talking about the
day He raised Christ from the dead, not to Him being created.

CONTRADICTS COL 1:15.

You promote the same refuted lies and confusion over and over. It is you
and Satan's Witnesses who contradict Colossians 1:15. You promote the
lie and confusion that any time the word "firstborn" appears, it must
refer to the order in which something was created. This is false.

In Psalm 89:27, God declares concerning David, "I also will make him My >firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth," which establishes >firstborn as a title of preeminence and supreme rank, given that David
was actually the youngest son of Jesse rather than the first >chronologically.

Similarly, in Jeremiah 31:9, God states, "For I am a Father to Israel,
and Ephraim is My firstborn," despite the fact that Manasseh was the >chronologically older brother of Ephraim, demonstrating that the title >signifies a designation of priority and covenant inheritance.

In Exodus 4:22, the Lord commands Pharaoh, "Then you shall say to
Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord: "Israel is My son, My firstborn,"'" which >applies the term to a whole nation to designate its chosen status, >preeminence, and special relationship to God among all the nations of
the earth.

In Colossians 1:15, Jesus is described as "the firstborn of all
creation," which the subsequent verses immediately define not as being
part of creation, but as having supreme authority and preeminence over
it, "for by Him all things were created." Finally, in Colossians 1:18,
He is called "the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may
have the preeminence," showing that the term denotes His rightful
position of absolute supremacy, sovereignty, and headship over all things.

You promote continual confusion and contradiction to what the Bible teaches.

consubstantial with the Father;

JESUS IS NOT FULLY GOD. GOD IS SUPERIOR. 1 COR 11:3

You repeat the same stupid, refuted lies and confusion over and over. >Husbands and wives are equal as human beings (Genesis 1:27), and as
children of God (Galatians 3:28), but different in role and function >(Ephesians 5:22-25). Your heresy would mean that if a wife submits to
her husband, she's not human, and not a child of God.

The Bible specifically states that Christ did not cling to His rights to
be treated like God, but emptied Himself, voluntarily taking the form of
a servant, in order to provide an atonement for our sins (Philippians >2:1-6). The superiority of the Father is in role and function, not in >essence of being.

through him all things were made.

The Bible says "all things", not all "other" things, like the NWT heresy >Bible claims. That means He cannot be a created thing, but must be the >Creator. That's why you and the other Satan's Witnesses realized you had
to keep inserting the word "other" into Colossians 1, where it never
occurs. And no, it wasn't for "clarity", since "all things" makes
perfect, clear sense, unless you have predetermined to contradict and
deny any reference in the Bible which clearly shows Jesus is God.

THEY ALREADY SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CREED, THAT GOD MADE ALL
THINGS. NOW THEY SAY JESUS DID. SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE CONFUSED.

The fact Jesus created "all things" proves He is God. The only confusion >here is what you're trying to read lies into the Bible and what the
church says.

For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, THEN HE IMPREGNATED MARY. YOUR CREED
HERE IS BLASPHEMOUS.

YOU are the one promoting blasphemy and confusion against the Holy Spirit.

o To begin, both the Father and Spirit are persons. You can't
have it being sin if the Holy Spirit (a person) causes her to
conceive, but not sin if the Father (a person) caused her to
conceive. By trying to associate the Holy Spirit with evil, you
are unwittingly also implying that God the Father committed
fornication.

o Secondly, God doesn't have to have sexual relations with a
woman to cause her to conceive. You fabricate blasphemy, then
accuse others of it.

and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,

JESUS WAS DEAD FOR 3 DAYS. GOD ALWAYS LIVED. THEY CAN'T BOTH BE GOD.

You promote stupid lies and confusion. Jesus is both God and man >(Philippians 2; John 1). His human body died, not His God nature.

and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD SIGNIFIES A HIGH POSITION, BUT IS
SUBJECTION TO THE ONE ON THE THRONE.

See above. Your stupid lies would mean women can't be children of God or >human beings, because they submit to their husbands. Christ voluntarily >yielded His right to be treated like God, to take the form of a servant,
so He could provide a propitiating, substitutionary atonement for our
sins (Philippians 2). Submission pertains to role and function, not
essence of being.

He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

IT IS GOD WHO GAVE LIFE. GEN 1:1.

Which proves that the Father, Son, and Spirit are God:

In John 6:63, Jesus states, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh >profits nothing."

In 2 Corinthians 3:6, the text states, "who also made us sufficient as >ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for
the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

In Romans 8:11, the text states, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised
Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead
will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells
in you."

In John 5:21, Jesus states, "For as the Father raises the dead and gives >life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will."

In John 10:28, Jesus states concerning His followers, "And I give them >eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch
them out of My hand."

In John 1:3-4, the text states concerning the Son, "All things were made >through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was >life, and the life was the light of men."

who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S ACTIVE FORCE,

There is no verse in Scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God's active >force. That's the phrase you made up to deny and contradict what the
Bible actually says. Scripture uniformly presents the Holy Spirit not as
an impersonal force, but as a person who possesses the attributes of >personalityusuch as a mind (Romans 8:27), emotions (Ephesians 4:30), and
a will (1 Corinthians 12:11)uand who is explicitly identified as God
(Acts 5:3-4).

NOT A PERSON, ALLTHOUGH IT WAS
PERSONIFIED.

That's not what the Bible says. That's just the lie YOU keep repeating
to contradict the Bible.

The Bible personifies wisdom in Proverbs, but only in a generic sense.
It says wisdom does things like warn people that adultery is foolish,
advise them to fear God, etc. The Holy Spirit, by contrast, gives
specific local information and instruction to specific believers, like >informing Philip that there's an Ethiopian over here and that he should
go witness to him (Acts). Personified wisdom never does things like that.

IT CAN FILL MANY PEOPLE, ACTS 2:1-4:

Which proves the Holy Spirit is God. Only God could fill many people.

2 Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they
were all together at the same place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from
heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the
whole house where they were sitting. 3 And tongues as if of fire
became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on
each one of them, 4 and they all became filled with holy spirit and
started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled
them to speak.

DID IT CHOP ITSELF UP INTO PIECES TO FILL MANY PEOPLE?

This is where, once again, you deny the God who exceeds human wisdom and >calculation (Romans 11), to invent and worship a god that makes sense to >your feeble comprehension. God can be everywhere at once without
dividing Himself in pieces. In Him we live and move and have our being.
God is present everywhere in a general sense, and living in the hearts
of believers in a specific sense.

who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

THEY TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE CATHOLIC.

You are a complete tool and imbecile. The word catholic comes from the
Greek adjective katholikos, which means universal, general, or >all-embracing. It is derived from the phrase kath' holou, meaning
according to the whole, or throughout the whole. In a theological and >historical context, the term denotes the universal nature of the church
as a single, worldwide body spanning all times and places, rather than >referring exclusively to a specific denomination.

I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.[3]

Which the Bible teaches is true for every believer, not just the
144,000. Revelation 7 specifically states that the 144,000 are from the >children of the tribes of "Israel", then contrasts that group with the >multitudes from every tribe and tongue, who will also worship God around
His throne. NOWHERE does the Bible teach the LIE that only 144,000
believers will be with God.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE IF IT, BUT YOU ARE FULFILLING SCRIPTURE AS WE
SPEAK, MT 10:22:

-- New King James
Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But
he who endures to the end will be saved.

Paul and James did not contradict each other. Justification can mean to >make, declare, or show to be righteous. Paul is talking about
justification in the sense of how God makes and declares a believer to
be righteous. That is only by grace, only by faith in Christ, and only
apart from our works.

James talks about justification in the sense of showing yourself to be >righteous to men. He specifically says show me your faith without works,
and I'll show you my faith by my works. Thus, he's talking about >justification in the sense of showing men that you are righteous, not in
the sense of how a man becomes right with God.

Romans 8 shows that those whom God justifies, He also glorifies. >Glorification doesn't happen until the believer reaches glory. God
speaks of it as an act already accomplished in the past. This means that >everyone who ever actually trusts in Christ for salvation, will also be >glorified. He's predestined to that outcome. Thus, endurance is the
evidence of saving faith, not a condition by which men earn or
contribute to a right standing and relationship with God. Jude confirms
this (Jude 24-25).

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The Bible teaches that the true God exceeds human research and comprehension (Job 11:7, Job 36:26, Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33).

When you fail to comprehend how that one God Being can also be three distinct persons, you reject Him and worship an idol of your own invention.
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 11:11:32 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

The Bible teaches that the true God exceeds human research and comprehension (Job 11:7, Job 36:26, Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33).

OK.

When you fail to comprehend how that one God Being can also be three distinct persons,

Yet in the Bible there is no Scripture defining the Trinity. None,
zero, null, no.

Mt 28: 19 is quoted a lot to support the Trinity: So here it is:

- King James
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So let's see. It doesn't say God is also 3 persons. And it doesn't say
that those 3 things are part God. It doesn't say they are all equal,
it doesn't call them a religious Trinity.

ALL IT DOES IS NAME 3 THINGS. I can do that also:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Now I named them, are they then a spiritual
Trinity?

The Trinity of today stems from a 4th century Trinity doctrine. THAT
IS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN.

you reject Him and worship an idol of your own invention.

We are even called by God's century old name, Jehovah. So how can you
say we REJECT his name. On the contrary, we follow Jesus' teachings at
Mt 6:9:

-- King James
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art
in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. We make it "hallowed" whenever we
can. And we follow Jesus' example:

-- New King James
John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare
it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in
them.''

JW's have no idols, since the Bible rejects that. 'Let those who have
ears listen'.

Can world Peace be attainable through good
economic times? Go to:
jw.org (6/23/2026)
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Tue, 23 Jun 2026 12:23:00 -0400,
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Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 11:11:32 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

The Bible teaches that the true God exceeds human research and comprehension (Job 11:7, Job 36:26, Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33).

OK.

When you fail to comprehend how that one God Being can also be three distinct persons,

Yet in the Bible there is no Scripture defining the Trinity. None,
zero, null, no.

The Bible doesn't have to use the word "Trinity" to teach that one God
Being manifests in three distinct persons.

rCo The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4,
Isaiah 45:5, 1 Timothy 2:5).

rCo The Bible teaches three distinct persons are God (Matthew
3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14).

rCo The Bible teaches that God exceeds human research and
comprehension (Job 11:7-8, Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 11:33).

Mt 28: 19 is quoted a lot to support the Trinity: So here it is:

- King James
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So let's see. It doesn't say God is also 3 persons. And it doesn't say
that those 3 things are part God. It doesn't say they are all equal,
it doesn't call them a religious Trinity.

ALL IT DOES IS NAME 3 THINGS. I can do that also:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Now I named them, are they then a spiritual
Trinity?

The Trinity of today stems from a 4th century Trinity doctrine. THAT
IS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN.

idem. See above.
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Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

The true, saving gospel strictly mandates that Christ died for our sins
and rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). All
other gospels are completely false and carry people into conscious,
eternal torment in the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36; Revelation 14:10-11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). You will certainly die in your sins if you deny Jesus is God (John 8:58).

Christ paid our entire sin debt to God on the cross (Colossians 2:14),
and God gave absolute proof of this by raising Him from the dead (Romans
1:4). God now pardons our sins without compromising His own
righteousness (Romans 3:26), saving us from His coming judgment (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This is a completely free gift reserved for those
who trust in Christ (Romans 6:23). Believe in your heart and call out to
the Lord to be saved (Romans 10:9-13):

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Satan's Witness <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

[God is one Being manifested in three distinct persons. God exceeds
human comprehension. Instead of accepting that God exceeds his comprehension...]

you reject Him and worship an idol of your own invention.

We are even called by God's century old name, Jehovah. So how can you
say we REJECT his name. On the contrary, we follow Jesus' teachings at

You're not even addressing the content of the post:

The Bible doesn't have to use the word "Trinity" to teach that one God
Being manifests in three distinct persons.

rCo The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deuteronomy 6:4,
Isaiah 45:5, 1 Timothy 2:5).

rCo The Bible teaches three distinct persons are God (Matthew
3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14).

rCo The Bible teaches that God exceeds human research and
comprehension (Job 11:7-8, Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 11:33).

Since that doesn't make sense to you, you fabricate a god which does.

To begin, God's name in the Old Testament was YHWH, not "Jehovah".
Second, the inspired NT authors used kurios to translate YHWH, and
showed Christ as kurios (YHWH):

How many times does the NWT translate YHWH as YHWH, or even Yahweh?
Zero. You know that. Don't pretend like you make these hypocritical
claims out of ignorant sincerity.

Meanwhile, the disciples, in their inspired New Testament writings, used Lb|A-Cb|a (kurios) to translate YHWH, AND applied it to Jesus Christ:

1. Joel 2:32 raA Romans 10:13
rCo Joel 2:32 (LXX): rCLEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.rCY

rCo Romans 10:13: rCLEveryone who calls on the name of the LORD
(*Kurios*) will be saved.rCY

Paul applies this to Jesus in Romans 10:9, identifying Him as the
*Kurios* on whom we call for salvation.

2. Isaiah 45:23 raA Philippians 2:10rCo11

rCo Isaiah 45:23 (LXX): rCLTo Me every knee shall bow, every tongue
shall confess to God.rCY

rCo Philippians 2:10rCo11: rCLAt the name of Jesus every knee should
bow... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD
(*Kurios*).rCY

Paul applies this passage about YHWH to Jesus, calling Him *Kurios*.

3. Deuteronomy 6:4 raA 1 Corinthians 8:6

rCo Deuteronomy 6:4 (LXX): rCLThe LORD (*Kurios*) our God, the LORD
(*Kurios*) is one.rCY

rCo 1 Corinthians 8:6: rCLYet for us there is one God, the Father...
and one LORD (*Kurios*), Jesus Christ.rCY

Paul affirms monotheism and includes Jesus as *Kurios* within the divine identity.

4. Psalm 34:8 raA 1 Peter 2:3

rCo Psalm 34:8 (LXX): rCLTaste and see that the LORD (*Kurios*) is
good.rCY

rCo 1 Peter 2:3: rCLIf indeed you have tasted that the LORD
(*Kurios*) is good.rCY

Peter quotes the psalm about YHWH and applies it to Jesus as *Kurios*.

5. Isaiah 8:13rCo14 raA 1 Peter 3:15; Romans 9:33

rCo Isaiah 8:13: rCLBut the LORD (*Kurios*) of hosts, Him you shall
honor as holy...rCY

rCo 1 Peter 3:15: rCLHonor Christ the LORD (*Kurios*) as holy in your
hearts.rCY

rCo Isaiah 8:14: rCLAnd He will become a sanctuary and a stone of
stumbling...rCY

Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 apply this stumbling stone to Christ,
identifying Him as the *Kurios*.

6. Psalm 102:25rCo27 raA Hebrews 1:10rCo12

rCo Psalm 102:25 (LXX): rCLYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation
of the earth in the beginning.rCY

rCo Hebrews 1:10: rCLYou, LORD (*Kurios*), laid the foundation of the
earth in the beginning.rCY

The writer explicitly says this was spoken rCLof the Son,rCY identifying
Jesus as *Kurios*.

7. Deuteronomy 10:17 raA Revelation 19:16

rCo Deuteronomy 10:17 (LXX): rCLFor the LORD (*Kurios*) your God is
God of gods and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.rCY

rCo Revelation 19:16: rCLKing of kings and LORD (*Kurios*) of lords.rCY

The title for YHWH is applied to Jesus, who bears the name *Kurios* of all.

The New Testament authors consistently affirm *Kurios* as the proper translation of YHWH and deliberately apply passages about the *Kurios*
of the Old Testament to Jesus Christ.

Mt 6:9:

-- King James
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art
in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. We make it "hallowed" whenever we
can. And we follow Jesus' example:

-- New King James
John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare
it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in
them.''

JW's have no idols, since the Bible rejects that. 'Let those who have
ears listen'.

idem. See above.
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Good News rCa

Jesus is God: christrose.news/Jesus-God.

The true, saving gospel strictly mandates that Christ died for our sins
and rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). All
other gospels are completely false and carry people into conscious,
eternal torment in the lake of fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; John 3:36; Revelation 14:10-11; Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). You will certainly die in your sins if you deny Jesus is God (John 8:58).

Christ paid our entire sin debt to God on the cross (Colossians 2:14),
and God gave absolute proof of this by raising Him from the dead (Romans
1:4). God now pardons our sins without compromising His own
righteousness (Romans 3:26), saving us from His coming judgment (1 Thessalonians 1:10). This is a completely free gift reserved for those
who trust in Christ (Romans 6:23). Believe in your heart and call out to
the Lord to be saved (Romans 10:9-13):

How to be saved: christrose.news/salvation
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