• Nephilim Giants? No. The Apostle Paul Condemns Teachers Who Interpret Genesis Creation and Nephilim Literally

    From NightBulb.net@nospam@nightbulb.net to alt.bible on Fri May 15 05:05:38 2026
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    Nephilim Giants? No. The Apostle Paul Condemns Teachers Who Interpret Genesis Creation and Nephilim Literally
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    Paul condemns the metaphysical interpretation of nephilim hybrids and literal interpretation of the Genesis creation in scathing terms:
    rCLFor the INVISIBLE things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.rCY
    Modern theologians are are doing exactly what Paul warns will bring men blindness and condemnation. Theologians are taking the INVISIBLE things of the Genesis creation and changing the GLORY (government creation) of God into visible images of men, birds, beasts, and critters. Paul is warning us right here to NOT do this with the scripture! And modern scriptorians keep doing it repeatedly.
    Religionists are ignoring Paul again by disputing the endless vain genealogies of the nephilim:
    rCLNeither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.rCY
    Genealogies about hybrid beings, and priestly lineages, and royal houses, and all that old-time metaphysical mind-rot are contrary to the truth. These false subjects rCyminister questionsrCO which is a way of saying promote time-wasting and pointless debates that take away from godly edifying in the faith.
    rCLBut refuse profane and old wivesrCO fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.rCY
    rCLNot giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.rCY
    Peter talks about the fables surrounding origins of the creation of God:
    rCLFor we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. rCa We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.rCY
    His majesty is his glory of the new, invisible creation through Christ at the crossrConot in the primordial mist of antiquity.
    The light that shines in the dark place is prophesied: rCLAnd God said, let there be light.rCY
    Apostle John concurrs:
    rCLIn him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.rCY
    Genesis 1:3 is about the entrance of Jesus Christ into the world. It is about God ordering the cosmos of human society, not the cosmos of matter and energy. The Torah is not about Greek material metaphysic. The Torah is about the kingdom of God being brought to fruition among mankind. The philosphers of philisophy and kabbalah profess themselves to be wise, but are fools, and render the INVISIBLE things of GodrCOs glory into visible images of supermen and critters.
    The most precious thing to God the Father is the man Jesus. He didnrCOt have his prophets wasting ink to write about the material origin of cows and sheep and goats:
    rCLFor it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.rCY
    Paul says point blank that he and the disciples are the four-footed beasts or oxen. God told Adam he would plow the earth. Adam needed oxen to pull his plow. Christ is symbolized by Adam and the Apostles are the cattle who pull his plow.
    The beasts of Genesis represent men, groups of men, and stations of power and authority created by God. These creatures are brought to Adam to rCynamerCO them which means to grant them authority. This is the invisible things of the creation that the corrupt religionists canrCOt see and replace with corruptible things, like hybrid chimera nephilim giant monsters.
    Nephilim are men, groups of men, and the institutions engendered by men. The scripture has copious equations between groups and creatures, the creatures being MASCOTS for groups of men. The birds, beasts, fishes, herbs, trees, and critters of the Genesis creation are MASCOTS for nations of men over whom Adam (Christ) is given dominion. Theologians err in interpreting the text literally. They are worshiping the creature more than the creator, as Paul warned.
    Jude said the angels kept not their first ESTATE and this word in ancient Hebrew does signify their authority of government rather than a supernatural position above the firmament. The angels (churches) joined with rulers, forming the STATE based upon imperial religion. Then the churches became vessels for teaching submission to oligarchy and imperialism instead of the democratic rule mandated by Christ and the Apostles under the New Covenant.
    The heavenly beings are those churches who were in the truth of the kingdom and then rCyfell from heavenrCO or their rCyexalted positionrCO by abandoning the truth to turn their churches into insititutions of authoritarian rule, to support empires. There is nothing supernatural about it. It is spiritual. These Christian rulers are the untimely figs of Revelation that are cast down before they can ripen and bear seed (faith):
    rCLAnd the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind rCa.. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:rCY
    That which is spiritual is NOT supernatural metaphysic. That is more Judeo-Greco-Roman-Babylonian mythos and fable. The supernatural interpretation of hybrid nephilim giants is unholy hodge-podge. Nephilim are mighty rulers and mighty nations that do many wonders to try to rebel against the law of God and imagine keep their wealth and power intact against GodrCOs wrath and judgment. They are the kings, captains, and rich men who hide among the rocks and mountains (more people groups) because they innately sense they are guilty and worthy of wrath.
    The Genesis creation narrative is not a lesson in the origin and nature of physical critters. The Genesis creation narrative is prophecy about the eternal power and godhead of Jehovah established by and through his Son Joshua of Nazareth. We are living in the Genesis ages today. Genesis is a prophetic news blotter about the ages from the cross of Jesus to our modern times. We are living in the days of the Genesis creation. Jehovah is doing all he said he would do.
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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible on Thu May 14 23:57:28 2026
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    "NightBulb.net" <nospam@nightbulb.net> wrote:

    Nephilim Giants? No. The Apostle Paul Condemns Teachers Who Interpret Genesis Creation and Nephilim Literally

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    Paul condemns the metaphysical interpretation of nephilim hybrids and literal interpretation of the Genesis creation in scathing terms:

    Why was it the Lord inspired writing that would not be
    understood until 2000 years later, when Nightbulb would
    proclaim the correct interpretations?

    (much snippage)

    Modern theologians are are doing exactly what Paul warns will bring men blindness

    And hairy palms. It causes hairy palms, and pimples too!

    Genesis 1:3 is about the entrance of Jesus Christ into the world.

    No, it's not.

    If "light" can mean Jesus and not actual light, then anything
    can mean anything one wants it to mean. That gives one
    license to rewrite anything.


    The most precious thing to God the Father is the man Jesus. He didnAt have his prophets wasting ink to write about the material origin of cows and sheep and goats:

    oFor it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn.

    False. Corn is native to North America. It was completely
    unknown in the Old World before 1492.


    Paul says point blank that he and the disciples are the four-footed beasts or oxen. God told Adam he would plow the earth. Adam needed oxen to pull his plow. Christ is symbolized by Adam and the Apostles are the cattle who pull his plow.

    Why didn't the scripture just say Christ when it meant Christ,
    and apostles when it meant apostles, instead of trying to hide
    its message under the bushel of obscuring metaphor?

    Was man made to be confounded by the bible, or was the bible
    made to inform man?

    Or, to beg the obvious question, maybe it was all made up?



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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible on Fri May 15 06:57:56 2026
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    Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: ========================================

    Why was it the Lord inspired writing that would not be understood until 2000 years later, when Nightbulb would proclaim the correct interpretations? (much snippage)

    Exactly.
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    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible on Fri May 15 07:10:27 2026
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    Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: ========================================

    [Nightbulb wrote]
    Genesis 1:3 is about the entrance of Jesus Christ into the world.

    No, it's not. If "light" can mean Jesus and not actual light, then anything can mean anything one wants it to mean. That gives onelicense to rewrite anything.

    This typology is correct. We know this from John 1. However, the Genesis account is anchored in historical reality. Both are correct. Genesis 1 refers to the literal light on creation day, and (we know from John 1, that) it's a reference to Christ as the light of the world.

    1-aIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2-aHe was in the beginning with God. 3-aAll things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4-aIn him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5-aThe light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    6-aThere was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8-aHe was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

    9-aThe true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10-aHe was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him (John 1:1rCo10, ESV)

    Jesus said all Scripture points to Him:

    John 5:39-40

    Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

    Luke 24:27

    And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    Luke 24:44

    And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    John 5:46-47

    For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

    But you are correct that by trying to undermine the literal interpretation, Nightbulb introduces a dangerous hemeneutic, which allows him to effectively claim the Bible means whatever he wants it to mean, and spiritualize it into oblivion.
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    Christ's death on a cross paid the debt we owe God for our sins (Colossians 2:14). The proof is God raised Him from the dead (Romans 1:4).

    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible on Fri May 15 07:16:34 2026
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    Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: ========================================

    [Nightbulb wrote]
    Paul says point blank that he and the disciples are the four-footed beasts or oxen. God told Adam he would plow the earth. Adam needed oxen to pull his plow. Christ is symbolized by Adam and the Apostles are the cattle who pull his plow.

    Why didn't the scripture just say Christ when it meant Christ, and apostles when it meant apostles, instead of trying to hide its message under the bushel of obscuring metaphor?Was man made to be confounded by the bible, or was the bible made to inform man?

    His error in this instance is in denying the literal interpretation, not in pointing out the spiritual application. We know this, because Paul directly made that spiritual application from the Old Testament text:

    1 Corinthians 9:9-14

    For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

    1 Timothy 5:17-18

    Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
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    Christ's death on a cross paid the debt we owe God for our sins (Colossians 2:14). The proof is God raised Him from the dead (Romans 1:4).

    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

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  • From Samuel Spade@sam@spade.invalid to alt.bible on Sat May 16 16:48:51 2026
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    Christ Rose <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:
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    Fri, 15 May 2026 01:57:28 -0500,
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    Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> wrote: ========================================

    [Nightbulb wrote]
    Genesis 1:3 is about the entrance of Jesus Christ into the world.

    No, it's not. If "light" can mean Jesus and not actual light, then anything can mean anything one wants it to mean. That gives onelicense to rewrite anything.

    This typology is correct. We know this from John 1. However, the Genesis account is anchored in historical reality. Both are correct. Genesis 1 refers to the literal light on creation day, and (we know from John 1, that) it's a reference to Christ as the light of the world.

    1aIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2aHe was in the beginning with God. 3aAll things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4aIn him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5aThe light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    The author of John would like you to think Genesis 1:3
    referred to Jesus. It's a stretch to think that the author of
    Genesis had foreknowledge of Jesus.

    More likely, the gospels were written to coincide with OT
    allusions and prophecies. YMMV.

    (snip for focus lest we get sidetracked by JtB)

    But you are correct that by trying to undermine the literal interpretation, Nightbulb introduces a dangerous hemeneutic, which allows him to effectively claim the Bible means whatever he wants it to mean, and spiritualize it into oblivion.

    I'm afraid it's not the first time that happened.

    Are you cleaving to the literal interpretation of Genesis 1:3
    as well as the metaphoric? To wit, that earth existed before
    physical light, that light existed before sun & stars, and
    that days and nights also happened without a sun?

    That's all hard to explain.
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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Mon May 18 08:39:12 2026
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    Re: Nephilim Giants? No. The Apostle Paul Condemns Teachers Who
    Interpret Genesis Creation and Nephilim Literally

    I don't think so. Jesus believed the creation account literally:

    About the Nephilim, the Bible book of Numbers has this to say:

    -- New King James
    Numbers 13:33 "There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came
    from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and
    so we were in their sight.''

    Also,

    -- American Standard
    Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who
    come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers,
    and so we were in their sight.

    So these were not the real nephilim, since they were destroyed in the
    Deluge. But they had the appearance of them.

    -- King James
    Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read,
    that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female".

    So yes, Jesus believed the Genesis account literally.

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Mon May 18 07:56:02 2026
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    Satan's Witness (SW) zebrabible@proton.me wrote: ========================================

    What can husbands, wives, parents, and children do to enjoy a happy family?

    Avoid the Bible-contradicting lies and false gospel of Satan's Witnesses, admit Jesus is God in the flesh, and rely on His death and resurrection as the only and all-sufficient atonement for sin, calling on His name (YHWH/Kurios/Lord) to be saved.
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    Jesus is God

    https://www.christrose.news/Jesus-God

    Good News rCa

    Christ's death on a cross paid the debt we owe God for our sins (Colossians 2:14). The proof is God raised Him from the dead (Romans 1:4).

    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

    https://christrose.news/salvation
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