• The Eternal Conscious Existence of the Soul

    From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Mon May 11 07:48:14 2026
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    Sound exegesis does not impose on one passage of Scripture, an interpretation which clearly contradicts the testimony of the overwhelming mass of clear Bible data on any given subject. Yet that's about all "Watchtower" heretics can do to try and prop up their false, Bible-contradicting lies.

    The integrity of the Greek text

    The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and the integrity of the text is maintained through the thousands of extant manuscripts.

    The terms Kyrios and Theos are the inspired titles used by the apostles and gospel writers to refer to the Lord. The biblical evidence shows that the writers of the New Testament consistently applied these titles to both the Father and the Son, establishing that Jesus is God without the need for inserting names not found in the Greek text.

    The nature of the soul

    The Bible presents the soul as the seat of personhood, emotion, and will, which exists in a relationship with God that transcends physical death.In Mark 12:26-27, the text records Jesus stating that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living, affirming the ongoing existence of the patriarchs.

    This survival of the soul is necessitated by the command in Matthew 10:28, where Jesus specifically noted that men can kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

    Jesus further confirmed that physical death is not the cessation of existence when He stated it would be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for certain cities (Matthew 11:24), and that it would have been better for Judas if he had never been born (Matthew 26:24).

    If death were non-existence, judgment would be equal for all and non-existence would not be worse than a troubled life.

    Jesus explicitly described the ongoing nature of eternal damnation as a place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:44, 46, 48), indicating a conscious and perpetual state.

    This is confirmed in Revelation 14:11, 19:20, and 20:10, which show that the damned are tormented day and night forever and ever, and remain in this state even after the passage of a thousand years, proving the soul survives the death of the body.

    The meaning of destruction

    The Greek words often translated as destroy or destruction, such as olethros and apollymi, refer to a condition of ruin, loss, or separation rather than a cessation of existence or annihilation.

    This is evidenced by the use of apollymi in the accounts of the lost coin, the lost sheep, and the lost prodigal son (Luke 15), where the objects existed but were useless or separated from their proper place.

    Similarly, when Paul speaks of handing a man over for the destruction of the flesh (1 Corinthians 5:5), it refers to a state of ruin and suffering for the purpose of correction, not the end of the man's being.

    Biblical destruction is the loss of all that makes existence blessed, resulting in ongoing ruin and separation from the presence of God.

    The method of the atonement

    The whole point about the word pole is idiotic, because even if Romans didn't (they did) put patibulum on the pole (forming a cross), Paul would still be noting that he preached about the "pole" of Christ. Thus Watchtower heretics seek to associate with paganism, that which Paul said he preached, confirming that they promote a false gospel contrary to the one Paul proclaimed, which he clearly anathematized in Galatians 1:8-9.

    The certainty of the resurrection and commission

    The reality of the resurrection and the mandate of the Great Commission are established by the overwhelming testimony of the Gospels, regardless of the textual history of the final verses of Mark.

    Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 24, and John 20-21 provide exhaustive evidence of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ and His authoritative command to make disciples of all nations.

    The biblical record across the canon confirms that the victory of Christ over the grave is the foundational truth upon which the church is built and the primary message to be carried to the world.

    The principle of clear reference

    Sound interpretation relies on the principle that difficult or isolated passages must be understood in light of the overwhelming mass of clear biblical data.

    This principle is that one does not impose ideas onto the text that contradict the established and repeated testimony of the scriptures.

    Where the Bible repeatedly and clearly defines the nature of God, the person of Christ, or the state of the dead, these clear references serve as the boundary for interpreting specific words or footnotes. Meaning is drawn from the harmony of the entire biblical text rather than from isolated or redefined terms.

    The sufficiency of scripture

    The Bible identifies itself as the final authority for faith and practice. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine and instruction. The biblical evidence suggests that the meaning of the text is to be drawn out from the words provided by the Holy Spirit, rather than having external doctrinal frameworks imposed upon it through selective footnoting or translation choices that deviate from the manuscript record.
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    Christ's death on a cross paid the debt we owe God for our sins (Colossians 2:14). The proof is God raised Him from the dead (Romans 1:4).

    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Tue May 12 10:10:47 2026
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    On Mon, 11 May 2026 07:48:14 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

    Sound exegesis does not impose on one passage of Scripture, an interpretation which clearly contradicts the testimony of the overwhelming mass of clear Bible data on any given subject. Yet that's about all "Watchtower" heretics can do to try and prop up their false, Bible-contradicting lies.

    Well, make REAL SURE that you have Jehovah's Witnesses pegged as a
    false religion. Because if they are the true one....


    The integrity of the Greek text

    The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and the integrity of the text is maintained through the thousands of extant manuscripts.

    The terms Kyrios and Theos are the inspired titles used by the apostles and gospel writers to refer to the Lord.

    You make no room for Bible copyists tainting the Scriptures. WE KNOW
    THAT TO BE A FACT!

    For example, the 4th century LXX DID FALSIFY the Scriptures. Every
    time they ran into the Tetragrammaton, they translated it as "Lord",
    which is ridiculous. Yet OLDER fragments of Scripture shows the
    Tetragrammaton intact. Thus the original writing contained the
    Tetragrammaton around 7000 times in the LXX.

    Superstitious Jews did a similar thing with the NT. Even when the OT
    containing the Tetragrammaton was quoted, they threw out the
    Tetragrammaton and inserted "Lord" or "God".

    There is more of a personal relationship when you know one's name. The
    Jews took that away from Bible believers.

    The biblical evidence shows that the writers of the New Testament consistently applied these titles to both the Father and the Son, establishing that Jesus is God without the need for inserting names not found in the Greek text.

    Dream on... The apostle Paul, who knew Jesus intimately, showed that
    Jesus WAS NOT, IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE, GOD:

    -- King James
    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
    man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
    Christ is God.

    That was written at a time that Jesus was already in Heaven with his
    Father, Jehovah. Even the popular KJV acknowledges that name:

    -- King James
    Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is
    Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.


    The nature of the soul

    The Bible presents the soul as the seat of personhood, emotion, and will, which exists in a relationship with God that transcends physical death.

    The Scriptures tell us that man IS A SOUL:

    -- King James
    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
    and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
    living soul.

    Thus when Adam became a man, he BECAME a soul.

    As for the churches' teaching that the soul is immortal, you decide:

    -- King James
    Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father,
    so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that signet, it shall
    die.

    Also, fish and other creatures of the sea, are called "souls".

    "And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living
    souls [nephesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the
    face of the expanse of the heavens."" [brackets mine] (Gen 1:20;Darby)

    Did you know that a SOUL craves meat?

    -- King James
    Deuteronomy 12:20 When the Lord thy God shall enlarge thy border, as
    he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because
    thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy
    soul lusteth after.

    Nowhere in the Bible is the use of the Hebrew word "nephesh" or the
    Greek word "psykhe" ever associated with the thought of being
    immortal.

    In Mark 12:26-27, the text records Jesus stating that God is not the God of the dead, bu1t of the living, affirming the ongoing existence of the patriarchs.

    That's your conclusion on what it means. Yes. He is a God of the
    living, which resides in His mind until the resurrection. (Acts 24:15)


    This survival of the soul is necessitated by the command in Matthew 10:28, where Jesus specifically noted that men can kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

    But it says that God can kill the soul. So the soul is not immortal as
    Eze 18:4 says

    Soul has more than one meaning. In this case it means his future life.
    Men cannot stop you from acquiring everlasting life. Yes, they can
    kill the body, but not your chance for eternal life.


    Jesus further confirmed that physical death is not the cessation of existence when He stated it would be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for certain cities (Matthew 11:24), and that it would have been better for Judas if he had never been born (Matthew 26:24).

    If death were non-existence,

    Then I take it, you do not believe all the Bible. Death is
    non-existence, until the great resurrection of the dead. (Acts 24:15)

    -- King James
    Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the
    dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the
    memory of them is forgotten.

    -- New King James
    Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your
    might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the
    grave where you are going.

    -- King James
    Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
    that very day his thoughts perish.

    It is kind a hard to live without thoughts, isn't it?

    judgment would be equal for all and non-existence would not be worse than a troubled life.

    Yes it would. When you have life you are in a 3-D reality, and can
    enjoy some of the things this world offers. In non-existence, one
    CAN'T enjoy anything. Null, zero.


    Jesus explicitly described the ongoing nature of eternal damnation as a place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:44, 46, 48), indicating a conscious and perpetual state.

    That is the way you interpret it, as literal. Show me those
    superworms. Fire won't even kill them. It is amazing how that
    description mirrors Gehenna, Jerusalem's garbage dump. Things tossed
    in there were forever destroyed.


    This is confirmed in Revelation 14:11, 19:20, and 20:10, which show that the damned are tormented day and night forever and ever, and remain in this state even after the passage of a thousand years, proving the soul survives the death of the body.

    That's the way you interpret it. You don't take into account Ec 9:5,10
    & Ps 146:3,4. Believe it or not, they are part of the Bible and are
    inspired by God. (2 Tim 3:16)


    The meaning of destruction

    The Greek words often translated as destroy or destruction, such as olethros and apollymi, refer to a condition of ruin, loss, or separation rather than a cessation of existence or annihilation.

    This is evidenced by the use of apollymi in the accounts of the lost coin, the lost sheep, and the lost prodigal son (Luke 15), where the objects existed but were useless or separated from their proper place.

    That's as you see it. Here is a definition of apollumi Greek meaning:

    Meaning: to destroy, destroy utterly. Strong's Concordance. destroy,
    die, lose, mar, perish. From apo and the base of olethros; to destroy
    fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively --
    destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. see GREEK apo.



    Similarly, when Paul speaks of handing a man over for the destruction of the flesh (1 Corinthians 5:5), it refers to a state of ruin and suffering for the purpose of correction, not the end of the man's being.

    He was going to be destroyed while still living. That means he will be
    in Satan's hands.


    Biblical destruction is the loss of all that makes existence blessed, resulting in ongoing ruin and separation from the presence of God.

    The method of the atonement

    The whole point about the word pole is idiotic,

    Are you knocking my fishing pole?

    because even if Romans didn't (they did) put patibulum on the pole
    (forming a cross), Paul would still be noting that he preached about
    the "pole" of Christ. Thus Watchtower heretics seek to associate with
    paganism, that which Paul said he preached, confirming that they
    promote a false gospel contrary to the one Paul proclaimed, which he
    clearly anathematized in Galatians 1:8-9.

    As you see it. But you forget that the best Bibles do not use the word
    "cross", but refer to Jesus' impalement as a "stauros". A stauros is
    an upright pole, NOT A CROSS.

    And the cross predates Christianity. It was used by pagan nations in
    their worship. Which is something detestable to God.

    There is also the Egyptian ankh. Which is a cross with a loop on top.
    A picture of one is at:

    https://www.nps.gov/afbg/learn/historyculture/ankh.htm

    I see professed Christians all the time wearing that pagan symbol. The
    churches have failed to warn their flock. If you think God doesn't
    mind, THINK AGAIN!!!


    The certainty of the resurrection and commission

    The reality of the resurrection and the mandate of the Great Commission are established by the overwhelming testimony of the Gospels, regardless of the textual history of the final verses of Mark.

    Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 24, and John 20-21 provide exhaustive evidence of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ and His authoritative command to make disciples of all nations.

    Jesus was raised as a spirit being. 'He was put to death in the flesh,
    but make alive in the spirit'. (1 Pet 3:18) But spirits are invisible
    to human eyes. So Jesus had to materialize a human-looking body in
    order to be seen.

    Jesus gave up his original body, so it didn't look like Jesus used to
    look. He first appeared to Mary Magdalene. She didn't recognize his
    body, so she thought he was the gardener.


    The biblical record across the canon confirms that the victory of Christ over the grave is the foundational truth upon which the church is built and the primary message to be carried to the world.

    Yes, and Jesus said:

    -- Living Bible
    Matthew 24:14 ``And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it, and
    then, finally, the end will come.

    The principle of clear reference

    Sound interpretation relies on the principle that difficult or isolated passages must be understood in light of the overwhelming mass of clear biblical data.

    This principle is that one does not impose ideas onto the text that contradict the established and repeated testimony of the scriptures.

    Then why do you constantly do that? I am continually amazed why you
    can't understand basic Bible truths, like a soul can die. Ezekiel 18:4
    makes that as clear as a bell. Unless you are putting the churches'
    teachings over the Bible's teachings.

    You are not a stupid person. Maybe your negative attitude about JW's
    is influencing your interpretations. Take to heart John 4:23,

    -- New King James
    John 4:23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
    worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father
    is seeking such to worship Him.


    Where the Bible repeatedly and clearly defines the nature of God, the person of Christ, or the state of the dead, these clear references serve as the boundary for interpreting specific words or footnotes. Meaning is drawn from the harmony of the entire biblical text rather than from isolated or redefined terms.

    And the context should always be considered, as well as similar
    verses.


    The sufficiency of scripture

    The Bible identifies itself as the final authority for faith and practice. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine and instruction. The biblical evidence suggests that the meaning of the text is to be drawn out from the words provided by the Holy Spirit, rather than having external doctrinal frameworks imposed upon it through selective footnoting or translation choices that deviate from the manuscript record.

    Then you are assuming that all the Bible manuscripts are error free.
    Yes, the ORIGINAL writings are error free. It's the copyists who threw
    in their two cents.

    Just one tiny example, is the wording of the KJV at Acts 12:4. It
    reads:

    -- King James
    Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
    delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending
    after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

    That version paints a picture that God accepts the pagan celebration
    of Easter. But the KJV should have said "Passover".

    Notice how the NKJV corrected it:

    -- New King James
    Acts 12:4 So when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
    delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to
    bring him before the people after Passover.

    So you see, that uninspired copyists could change what they want. And
    they did. The JW's prayed that they should translate their Bible to
    reflect what was REALLY written. And they did. They corrected the
    almost 7000 errors that MOST translations did with the Tetragrammaton.
    They used the correct verb forms that were written. For example notice
    how most translations did the wording:

    In the NT, the Greek verb tenses express not only the TIME of an
    action or state, but also the KIND of action, whether momentary,
    starting out, continuing, repetitious, or completed. Attention to such
    coloring of the Greek verb forms leads to a precise translation with
    the full force of the action described.

    The continual asking, and seeking, and knocking, is a main part of the
    thought from that verse because of the verb form used there in the
    original. And so should be evident there as well in the translation:

    (Matthew 7:7) oKeep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on
    seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to
    you; (NWT)

    "Have a good day" has been run into the ground. Instead:

    Bye.

    "KEEP ON THE WATCH!
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    Find Out "
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Tue May 12 09:42:51 2026
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    Tue, 12 May 2026 09:10:47 -0500,
    <ov040lthm9v9s6lkf9pnd31kj9o93b5lsb@4ax.com>
    Satan's Witness (SW) zebrabible@proton.me wrote: ========================================

    [Christrose wrote]

    This survival of the soul is necessitated by the command in Matthew 10:28, where Jesus specifically noted that men can kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

    But it says that God can kill the soul...

    There is no "but"

    rCo You claim the death of the body ends the existence of the soul. This
    shows that is a Bible-contradicting lie.

    rCo The action God can perform on the soul uses a different word than is
    used when it refers to killing the body. It's the word destroy, which
    as shown from many examples, refers to things which exist in a lost
    or ruined condition, not things which have ceased to exist.
    --
    Jesus is God

    https://www.christrose.news/Jesus-God

    Good News rCa

    Christ's death on a cross paid the debt we owe God for our sins (Colossians 2:14). The proof is God raised Him from the dead (Romans 1:4).

    This means God can now remain right, while forgiving our sins (Romans 3:26) and delivering us from His coming wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10). It's a free gift for those who believe in Christ (Romans 6:23).

    If you believe, call on the Lord to save you (Romans 10:9-13).

    https://christrose.news/salvation

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  • From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Tue May 12 14:38:55 2026
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    On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:42:51 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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    Tue, 12 May 2026 09:10:47 -0500,
    <ov040lthm9v9s6lkf9pnd31kj9o93b5lsb@4ax.com>
    Satan's Witness (SW) zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
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    [Christrose wrote]

    This survival of the soul is necessitated by the command in Matthew 10:28, where Jesus specifically noted that men can kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.

    But it says that God can kill the soul...

    There is no "but"

    o You claim the death of the body ends the existence of the soul. This
    shows that is a Bible-contradicting lie.

    Not at all. It all depends on what the word "soul" means in a verse.
    There are at least 4 different meanings of the word "soul" in the
    Bible.

    (1) a person. Gen 2:7
    (2) a fish, etc. Gen 1:20
    (3) a person's future life. (Mt 10:28)
    (4) life. (Gen 35:18)


    o The action God can perform on the soul uses a different word than is
    used when it refers to killing the body. It's the word destroy, which
    as shown from many examples, refers to things which exist in a lost
    or ruined condition, not things which have ceased to exist.

    When a fire fully destroys a piece of paper, does it continue to
    exist? No. The English word "destroy" can also mean something that no
    longer exists.

    But the Bible doesn't always use just use one word. It explains it
    with mulitple words such as at Ps 146:4. The dead return to the earth.
    (dust you are and dust you will return.) And the YOU part of yourself,
    has no more thoughts either.

    These are Bible truths that the churches always skip over. They want
    you to fear their hellfire sermons, and reach deep into the pockets.
    Rev 18:4 says to get out of false religion, or you will also be bitten
    by Satan's venom.

    "KEEP ON THE WATCH!
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    Find Out "
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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Wed May 13 08:31:18 2026
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    Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================
    On Tue, 12 May 2026 09:42:51 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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    Tue, 12 May 2026 09:10:47 -0500,
    <ov040lthm9v9s6lkf9pnd31kj9o93b5lsb@4ax.com>
    Satan's Witness (SW)zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
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    [Christrose wrote]

    This survival of the soul is necessitated by the command in Matthew 10:28, where Jesus specifically noted that men can kill the body but are not able to kill the soul.
    But it says that God can kill the soul...

    There is no "but"

    rCo You claim the death of the body ends the existence of the soul. This
    shows that is a Bible-contradicting lie.

    Not at all.


    Nonsense and self-evident self-contradiction. It flatly states men can
    kill the body, but not the soul. If the soul ceased to exist when the
    body was killed (as you contend), then men would in fact be able to kill
    the soul along with the body. This passage directly states men can kill
    the body but not the soul. That necessitates that the soul survives the
    death of the body. That you love your self-evident, Bible-contradicting
    lies, just shows that God has handed you over to your own corrupt way of thinking (Romans 1).


    It all depends on what the word "soul" means in a verse.


    Notice, here you're arguing that the context determines the meaning of
    soul. But in your very next argument, you will flip-flop to contend that
    since there are different meanings of the word "soul" elsewhere in the
    Bible, it must somehow prove that "soul" in this context, means
    something that flatly contradicts what this context indicates, which is
    the self-evident fact the soul survives the death of the body.

    Further, the context of the second half of the verse commands fear
    toward God who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. This
    judgment occurs after physical death. If the soul ceased to exist at the moment the body died, there would be no soul remaining to be cast into
    Gehenna alongside the resurrected body. The biblical narrative of
    judgment necessitates the continuity of the individual.


    There are at least 4 different meanings of the word "soul" in the
    Bible.


    Argument 1: "It all depends on what the word "soul" means in a verse.
    That is, you're saying the context determines the meaning. Well, the
    context of Matthew 10:28 shows a contrast between the ability to kill
    the body and the soul. Men can kill the body, they cannot kill the soul. There's no self-deluded imagination that somehow makes that mean the
    opposite of what it says, which is what your claims require. This
    context necessitates that it means the soul survives the death of the body.

    Argument 2: There are at least 4 different meanings of the word "soul"
    in the Bible.

    Now, after just stating that the context determines the correct meaning
    of soul in a given context, you're trying to tell me that a remote
    context determines the meaning of "soul" in Matthew 10:28? If you can
    find some place else in the Bible where soul means something different,
    then it must mean that Matthew 28:10 is using the remote context to
    determine the meaning of the word? This just shows me how willfully self-deluded you are.


    (1) a person. Gen 2:7
    (2) a fish, etc. Gen 1:20
    (3) a person's future life. (Mt 10:28)
    (4) life. (Gen 35:18)


    idem. Matthew 10:28 does not say "future life". It says men can kill the
    body but cannot kill the soul. This "future life" is a doctrine you try
    to impose on the text, to delude yourself and others that men can reject Christ as Savior, then somehow still escape conscious eternal torment in
    the lake of fire. Your love of your own delusion just shows that God has handed you over to strong delusion.
    --
    Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
    raised Him from the dead?

    That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
    satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
    2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
    sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

    On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
    the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
    of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.christnews on Wed May 13 08:39:55 2026
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    Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================
    On Mon, 11 May 2026 07:48:14 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

    Sound exegesis does not impose on one passage of Scripture, an interpretation which clearly contradicts the testimony of the overwhelming mass of clear Bible data on any given subject. Yet that's about all "Watchtower" heretics can do to try and prop up their false, Bible-contradicting lies.

    Well, make REAL SURE that you have Jehovah's Witnesses pegged as a
    false religion. Because if they are the true one....


    If they were the true one, they wouldn't promote a false gospel as they do.


    The integrity of the Greek text

    The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and the integrity of the text is maintained through the thousands of extant manuscripts.

    The terms Kyrios and Theos are the inspired titles used by the apostles and gospel writers to refer to the Lord.

    You make no room for Bible copyists tainting the Scriptures. WE KNOW
    THAT TO BE A FACT!


    Now you're claiming that every time the disciples used Kyrios and Theos
    to refer to Jesus and God the Father, it was due to scribal translation errors? The fact remains, the abundance of clear NT manuscripts show
    that the inspired apostles used kyrios (Lb|A-Cb|a) and theos (God), to refer to both Jesus and God the Father.


    For example, the 4th century LXX DID FALSIFY the Scriptures. Every
    time they ran into the Tetragrammaton, they translated it as "Lord",
    which is ridiculous. Yet OLDER fragments of Scripture shows the Tetragrammaton intact. Thus the original writing contained the
    Tetragrammaton around 7000 times in the LXX.


    idem. So now you're claiming the inspired apostles were duped and misled
    and that they consistently inserted the incorrect words kyrios and theos
    into the New Testament when referring to God and Jesus? That leaves you
    with no reliable NT to claim anything.


    Superstitious Jews did a similar thing with the NT. Even when the OT containing the Tetragrammaton was quoted, they threw out the
    Tetragrammaton and inserted "Lord" or "God".

    There is more of a personal relationship when you know one's name. The
    Jews took that away from Bible believers.


    idem. I find your willful self-delusion to be sickeningly idiotic and self-evidently moronic.
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