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Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================
[Christrose wrote:]

rather, the Holy Spirit is the Person who comes to us to perform the
personal work of teaching and reminding. Wisdom is the lesson; the Holy
Spirit is the Teacher.

rCLTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people,
but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever
speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever
speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age
or in the age to come.rCY (Matthew 12:31rCo32, ESV)

And by your belief, a fornicator. (Acts 1:18)

Let's see what Acts 1:18 says:

rCL(Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his
wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and
all his bowels gushed out.rCY (Acts 1:18, ESV)

Bible: Judas got disemboweled.
Satan's Witness: You teach the Holy Spirit is a fornicator.

That's no more or less obviously an erroneous, twisted doctrine than any
of your other Satan's Witnesses claims.

Perhaps you meant Matthew 1:18?

rCLNow the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came
together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put
her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he
considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared
to him in a dream, saying, rCLJoseph, son of David, do not fear to
take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is
from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call
his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.rCY
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the
prophet: rCLBehold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and
they shall call his name ImmanuelrCY (which means, God with us).rCY
(Matthew 1:18rCo23, ESV)

If that's the passage you're talking about, then according to YOUR Bible-contradicting beliefs and BLASPHEMY, God the Father would be the "fornicator", since you falsely claim the Holy Spirit is simply God
using His "force".

The context of this passage shows that you attempt to mock the biblical doctrine of the virgin birth by applying carnal, human behavior to the
Holy Spirit. Your blasphemous LIE against the Holy Spirit is that
because He caused Mary to conceive while she was legally betrothed to
Joseph, the Spirit committed fornication or adultery.

This claim represents a severe distortion of the biblical text and a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. The conception of
Jesus Christ in the womb of the virgin Mary was a miraculous,
supernatural act of divine creation, not a physical or sexual union. As detailed further in Luke 1:35, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary,
miraculously forming the human nature of Christ within her womb without
any human seed or carnal act.

God is Spirit and perfectly holy. Ascribing human sexual immorality to
the Creator and His miraculous works is a category error and a deeply
flawed misreading of the Gospel accounts. The conception involved no
violation of Mary or the marital covenant, but rather the fulfillment of divine prophecy. The Holy Spirit remains the holy, divine Teacher,
completely removed from the sinful human behavior the respondent is
attempting to project onto Him.

rCLTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven
people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be
forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will
be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not
be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.rCY (Matthew
12:31rCo32, ESV)
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satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Mon, 4 May 2026 10:42:19 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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Sat, 02 May 2026 17:22:10 -0400
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Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: >========================================
[Christrose wrote:]

rather, the Holy Spirit is the Person who comes to us to perform the
personal work of teaching and reminding. Wisdom is the lesson; the Holy
Spirit is the Teacher.

oTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people,
but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever >speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever
speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age
or in the age to come.o (Matthew 12:31u32, ESV)

And by your belief, a fornicator. (Acts 1:18)

Let's see what Acts 1:18 says:

o(Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his
wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and
all his bowels gushed out.o (Acts 1:18, ESV)

Bible: Judas got disemboweled.
Satan's Witness: You teach the Holy Spirit is a fornicator.

Now you know that's not true. I do not TEACH that. You won't find
such a statement in all our conversations. And you know that.

Based on YOUR beliefs, that would be the obvious conclusion.

That's no more or less obviously an erroneous, twisted doctrine than any
of your other Satan's Witnesses claims.

THAT MADE NO SENSE. I OBVIOUSLY QUOTED THE WRONG SCRIPTURE!
SORRY ABOUT THAT.

So let me back up and get it right this time.
Based on your belief that the Holy Spirit is a person, then it has to
be guilty of fornication. The Scripture should have been Mt 1:18:

-- New American Standard
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together
she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

If the Holy Spirit is a person, how do you explain that???

Perhaps you meant Matthew 1:18?

Very good. You are correct. I guess my imperfections are showing. (am
I blushing?)

oNow the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came
together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put
her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he
considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared
to him in a dream, saying, oJoseph, son of David, do not fear to
take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is
from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call
his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.o
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the
prophet: oBehold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and
they shall call his name Immanuelo (which means, God with us).o
(Matthew 1:18u23, ESV)

If that's the passage you're talking about, then according to YOUR >Bible-contradicting beliefs and BLASPHEMY, God the Father would be the >"fornicator", since you falsely claim the Holy Spirit is simply God
using His "force".

Yes, God has a force of energy that goes from God and travels to do
whatever His will is. So it wasn't God who mated with Mary, but was an
action from God that placed the life of Jesus in Mary's womb. There is
no fornication in that.

The context of this passage shows that you attempt to mock the biblical >doctrine of the virgin birth by applying carnal, human behavior to the
Holy Spirit. Your blasphemous LIE against the Holy Spirit is that
because He caused Mary to conceive while she was legally betrothed to >Joseph, the Spirit committed fornication or adultery.

Based on YOUR belief that it is a nameless PERSON. That just doesn't
jive with the Scriptures. You are taking personification to an
extreme.

This claim represents a severe distortion of the biblical text and a >fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. The conception of
Jesus Christ in the womb of the virgin Mary was a miraculous,
supernatural act of divine creation, not a physical or sexual union. As >detailed further in Luke 1:35, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, >miraculously forming the human nature of Christ within her womb without
any human seed or carnal act.

No matter how you say it, if the HS is a person, it raped Mary.
Period. Thus the HS is NOT a person.

God is Spirit and perfectly holy. Ascribing human sexual immorality to
the Creator and His miraculous works is a category error and a deeply
flawed misreading of the Gospel accounts. The conception involved no >violation of Mary or the marital covenant, but rather the fulfillment of >divine prophecy. The Holy Spirit remains the holy, divine Teacher, >completely removed from the sinful human behavior the respondent is >attempting to project onto Him.

You are putting on welder's glasses so you can't see the ramifications
of your beliefs.

oTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven
people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be
forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will
be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not
be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.o (Matthew
12:31u32, ESV)

Yes, and you need to keep that in mind. Saying I TEACH the HS is a
fornicator is involving the HS in a lie. Pr 6:16-19:

16. These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to
Him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
18. a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in
running to evil,
19. a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among
brethren. (NKJV)

And what about this if the HS is a person:

2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing

mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one
sat upon each of them.
4. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak
with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (NKJV)

Notice: "they were all filled with the Holy Spirit".
Did the alleged 'person' of the Holy Spirit, chop himself up into many >pieces, and give a piece to each person present? (see also Acts 13:52)

It makes no sense your way. The real way it was is that God released
the HS energy to fill each person there. How can you explain that if
the HS is a nameless person??

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Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.
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On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

You calling me names will not make it go away. It's simple arithmetic.
You say the Holy Spirit is a PERSON. The Holy spirit impregnated Mary.
Thus based on your teachings, fornication happened.

But based on the BIBLE, the Holy Spirit is NOT a person. Thus a force
from God placed the life force we now call Jesus, was placed in her
womb. Mary did not have relations with any PERSON, thus her pregnancy
was miraculous.

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Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

rCLBut Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,
looked intently at him and said, rCLYou son of the devil, you
enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy,
will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the
Lord?rCY (Acts 13:9rCo10, ESV)

You calling me names will not make it go away.

You never ceasing to blaspheme God, or to deny and contradict the
obvious statements of the Bible, or to contradict what even you yourself
say, won't make it go away:

Bible: The Holy Spirit is named along with the Father and Son, as a
person (Matthew 28:19).

You don't name your own "force" that you exert on others, and
put that "name" on par with other persons like the Father and
Son.

Bible: name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19).
Satan's Witness: name of Me, My Son, and the name of my "force".

Bible: Holy Spirit gives specific, local information and instruction,
like "Go here and you'll find a eunuch. Tell him the gospel"
(Acts 8:26-29).

Bible: Personified wisdom gives broad, generic insights like "fear God",
"don't commit adultery", etc. (Proverbs 1-9).

Satan's witness: There's no difference between personified wisdom that
gives broad, generic insights, and Holy Spirit wisdom which gives
specific, local information and instructions to believers.

(As if you really can't see any difference between personal intellect
and generic, personified wisdom, and are not intentionally determining
to believe a stupid, self-evident lie.)

Bible: Christ was born of a "virgin", not of an adulteress (Matthew
1:18-25).

Satan's Witness: If the Holy Spirit is a person, then the "virgin" birth
had to be "fornication". But if the Holy Spirit is God
using His own force on Mary, to cause her to conceive,
then it was not.

Idem. I see no evidence that you're not a stupid, satanically
manipulated, Bible-contradicting, self-contradicting, blasphemous liar,
who is determined to pervert the most obvious of truths and promote
Satanic lies and a false gospel.

Unfortunately for you, you've also determined to blaspheme the Holy
Ghost, in a vain effort to prop up your Satanic lies, which is
tantamount to an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).
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raised Him from the dead?

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satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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On Mon, 4 May 2026 10:42:19 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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Sat, 02 May 2026 17:22:10 -0400
<eokcvk52jp3s4jfiuk4jjutbdakn2smghj@4ax.com>
Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: >========================================
[Christrose wrote:]

rather, the Holy Spirit is the Person who comes to us to perform the
personal work of teaching and reminding. Wisdom is the lesson; the Holy
Spirit is the Teacher.

oTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people,
but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever >speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever
speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age
or in the age to come.o (Matthew 12:31u32, ESV)

And by your belief, a fornicator. (Acts 1:18)

Let's see what Acts 1:18 says:

o(Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his
wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and
all his bowels gushed out.o (Acts 1:18, ESV)

Bible: Judas got disemboweled.
Satan's Witness: You teach the Holy Spirit is a fornicator.

That's no more or less obviously an erroneous, twisted doctrine than any
of your other Satan's Witnesses claims.

I'm sorry you reject claims from the Bible. Hopefully you will change.

Perhaps you meant Matthew 1:18?

oNow the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came
together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put
her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he
considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared
to him in a dream, saying, oJoseph, son of David, do not fear to
take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is
from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call
his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.o
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the
prophet: oBehold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and
they shall call his name Immanuelo (which means, God with us).o
(Matthew 1:18u23, ESV)

If that's the passage you're talking about, then according to YOUR >Bible-contradicting beliefs and BLASPHEMY, God the Father would be the >"fornicator", since you falsely claim the Holy Spirit is simply God
using His "force".

Not logical. God remains in Heaven and SENDS OUT His Holy Spirit. But
according to you and the churches, the HS is a person. Then it has a
mind of its own, to make decisions. And it decided to impregnate Mary.
That's fornication 101, according to your beliefs.

The context of this passage shows that you attempt to mock the biblical >doctrine of the virgin birth by applying carnal, human behavior to the
Holy Spirit.

I don't need to mock anything, since I have Bible truths. The BIBLE
says that the HS impregnated Mary. That's fine as it is written. But
you add the false statement that the HS is a person. An unmarried
person who fertilizes a woman's egg, is clearly fornication. It can be
nothing else.

Your blasphemous LIE against the Holy Spirit is that
because He caused Mary to conceive while she was legally betrothed to >Joseph, the Spirit committed fornication or adultery.

Based on your belief, that would have to be true.
You still want to call the Holy Spirit a PERSON?

This claim represents a severe distortion of the biblical text and a >fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. The conception of
Jesus Christ in the womb of the virgin Mary was a miraculous,
supernatural act of divine creation, not a physical or sexual union. As >detailed further in Luke 1:35, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, >miraculously forming the human nature of Christ within her womb without
any human seed or carnal act.

Yes, we know that, but using your claim that the HS is a person, that
leaves it plainly as fornication; an unmarried person (HS) gets an
unmarried person pregnant.

You still want to call the Holy Spirit a PERSON?

I hold nothing against you when downgrading me, for I expect that. All
I want to do is to share Bible truths with you. Now, many JW's would
probably not continue conversations with you, based on your comments.
But I have a medical condition which makes me do things differently.
So, until you tell me to go and jump in a lake, I will continue.

God is Spirit and perfectly holy. Ascribing human sexual immorality to
the Creator and His miraculous works is a category error and a deeply
flawed misreading of the Gospel accounts. The conception involved no >violation of Mary or the marital covenant, but rather the fulfillment of >divine prophecy. The Holy Spirit remains the holy, divine Teacher, >completely removed from the sinful human behavior the respondent is >attempting to project onto Him.

Based on your belief that the Holy Spirit is a person. Also, why no
name for the HS? If it is the 3rd person of the 4th century Trinity
doctrine, it should have a name like the 1st person, and 2nd person.
Why no name?

oTherefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven
people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be
forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will
be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not
be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.o (Matthew
12:31u32, ESV)

Yes, and do not forget that. Your belief about the HS is like walking
on eggshells. It implies some terrible thoughts.

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This has already been addressed here:

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Wed, 06 May 2026 09:20:22 -0400
<tuemvk9q5p0ua7ns1r5q24avnjrbtiiscv@4ax.com>
Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

rCLBut Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,
looked intently at him and said, rCLYou son of the devil, you
enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy,
will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the
Lord?rCY (Acts 13:9rCo10, ESV)

You calling me names will not make it go away.

You never ceasing to blaspheme God, or to deny and contradict the
obvious statements of the Bible, or to contradict what even you yourself
say, won't make it go away:

Bible: The Holy Spirit is named along with the Father and Son, as a
person (Matthew 28:19).

You don't name your own "force" that you exert on others, and
put that "name" on par with other persons like the Father and
Son.

Bible: name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19).
Satan's Witness: name of Me, My Son, and the name of my "force".

Bible: Holy Spirit gives specific, local information and instruction,
like "Go here and you'll find a eunuch. Tell him the gospel"
(Acts 8:26-29).

Bible: Personified wisdom gives broad, generic insights like "fear God",
"don't commit adultery", etc. (Proverbs 1-9).

Satan's witness: There's no difference between personified wisdom that
gives broad, generic insights, and Holy Spirit wisdom which gives
specific, local information and instructions to believers.

(As if you really can't see any difference between personal intellect
and generic, personified wisdom, and are not intentionally determining
to believe a stupid, self-evident lie.)

Bible: Christ was born of a "virgin", not of an adulteress (Matthew
1:18-25).

Satan's Witness: If the Holy Spirit is a person, then the "virgin" birth
had to be "fornication". But if the Holy Spirit is God
using His own force on Mary, to cause her to conceive,
then it was not.

Idem. I see no evidence that you're not a stupid, satanically
manipulated, Bible-contradicting, self-contradicting, blasphemous liar,
who is determined to pervert the most obvious of truths and promote
Satanic lies and a false gospel.

Unfortunately for you, you've also determined to blaspheme the Holy
Ghost, in a vain effort to prop up your Satanic lies, which is
tantamount to an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation

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On Wed, 6 May 2026 16:26:35 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

This has already been addressed here:

========================================
Wed, 06 May 2026 09:20:22 -0400
<tuemvk9q5p0ua7ns1r5q24avnjrbtiiscv@4ax.com>
Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: >========================================

On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

oBut Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,
looked intently at him and said, oYou son of the devil, you
enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy,
will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the
Lord?o (Acts 13:9u10, ESV)

You calling me names will not make it go away.

You never ceasing to blaspheme God, or to deny and contradict the
obvious statements of the Bible, or to contradict what even you yourself >say, won't make it go away:

Bible: The Holy Spirit is named along with the Father and Son, as a
person (Matthew 28:19).

-- New King James
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit,

Where does it say the HS is a person??

You don't name your own "force" that you exert on others, and
put that "name" on par with other persons like the Father and
Son.

Bible: name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19).
Satan's Witness: name of Me, My Son, and the name of my "force".

Bible: Holy Spirit gives specific, local information and instruction,
like "Go here and you'll find a eunuch. Tell him the gospel"
(Acts 8:26-29).

Are you saying God can't put in His HS conversational statements?

Bible: Personified wisdom gives broad, generic insights like "fear God",
"don't commit adultery", etc. (Proverbs 1-9).

Satan's witness: There's no difference between personified wisdom that
gives broad, generic insights, and Holy Spirit wisdom which gives
specific, local information and instructions to believers.

(As if you really can't see any difference between personal intellect
and generic, personified wisdom, and are not intentionally determining
to believe a stupid, self-evident lie.)

Being different than wisdom doesn't make it a person. The churches 4th
century Trinity is your source. You apparently go by it, rather than
the Bible. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A
PERSON! NOWHERE.

Bible: Christ was born of a "virgin", not of an adulteress (Matthew
1:18-25).

Of course that is a fact the Bible teaches. But BASED on your belief,
and the Bible wording, that is what would have happened. If an
unmarried man gets an unmarried woman pregnant, that's fornication, is
it not?

Satan's Witness: If the Holy Spirit is a person, then the "virgin" birth
had to be "fornication". But if the Holy Spirit is God
using His own force on Mary, to cause her to conceive,
then it was not.

Idem. I see no evidence that you're not a stupid, satanically
manipulated, Bible-contradicting, self-contradicting, blasphemous liar,
who is determined to pervert the most obvious of truths and promote
Satanic lies and a false gospel.

Unfortunately for you, you've also determined to blaspheme the Holy
Ghost, in a vain effort to prop up your Satanic lies, which is
tantamount to an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).

Remember how God HATES liars. (Pr 6:16-19)

It is you and the churches which put the Holy Spirit in such a bad
light. You need to be careful here.

The bad sin is calling the HS a person, which leaves no doubt that he fornicated. God cannot be happy with that. Yet, the churches continue
to copy the 4th century Trinity doctrine. A non-Biblical doctrine from uninspired men, copied long after the Bible was written.

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On Wed, 6 May 2026 09:13:14 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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Wed, 06 May 2026 09:20:22 -0400
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Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: >========================================

On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

I forgive your lies. The churches have molded you to their teachings,
so you can't help yourself.

oBut Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,
looked intently at him and said, oYou son of the devil, you
enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy,
will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the
Lord?o (Acts 13:9u10, ESV)

You calling me names will not make it go away.

You never ceasing to blaspheme God, or to deny and contradict the
obvious statements of the Bible, or to contradict what even you yourself >say, won't make it go away:

Think about it. Who today is fulfilling Mt 24:14? You? A church?

-- International English
Matthew 24:14 This Good News about the kingdom will be preached in
the whole world, so that all nations may hear the truth. And then the
end will come.''

Well let's see. their Bible magazine, the Watchtower, says this on the
cover of each magazine:

ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM

That magazine is left at people's doors by the millions. Also at
businesses, and sidewalks, and government buildings, etc, etc.
Anywhere there are people. Yes, the Kingdom message is being preached throughout the whole world. "And then the end will come.''

Bible: The Holy Spirit is named along with the Father and Son, as a
person (Matthew 28:19).

You don't name your own "force" that you exert on others, and
put that "name" on par with other persons like the Father and
Son.

Bible: name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19).
Satan's Witness: name of Me, My Son, and the name of my "force".

It is given no name, since it is not a person.

Bible: Holy Spirit gives specific, local information and instruction,
like "Go here and you'll find a eunuch. Tell him the gospel"
(Acts 8:26-29).

Bible: Personified wisdom gives broad, generic insights like "fear God",
"don't commit adultery", etc. (Proverbs 1-9).

Satan's witness: There's no difference between personified wisdom that
gives broad, generic insights, and Holy Spirit wisdom which gives
specific, local information and instructions to believers.

You are wrong. There is a HUGE difference. For example, Wisdom cannot
create things. God has created all natural things. (Gen 1:1)

(As if you really can't see any difference between personal intellect
and generic, personified wisdom, and are not intentionally determining
to believe a stupid, self-evident lie.)

Bible: Christ was born of a "virgin", not of an adulteress (Matthew
1:18-25).

Satan's Witness: If the Holy Spirit is a person, then the "virgin" birth
had to be "fornication". But if the Holy Spirit is God
using His own force on Mary, to cause her to conceive,
then it was not.

Idem. I see no evidence that you're not a stupid, satanically
manipulated, Bible-contradicting, self-contradicting, blasphemous liar,
who is determined to pervert the most obvious of truths and promote
Satanic lies and a false gospel.

Boy, are you going to be surprised when the end comes. But by then, it
will be too late to change. You are stuck with what you are. But if
worse comes to worse, you at least won't be tortured for eternity.
That lie will be exposed for what it is, a degrading lie.

Unfortunately for you, you've also determined to blaspheme the Holy
Ghost, in a vain effort to prop up your Satanic lies, which is
tantamount to an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).

The Bible doesn't define the unpardonable sin. Thus, only God and
Jesus know what it is. Probably Judas, and those in the first century
who witnessed the miracles of Jesus, and falsely said the Devil was
giving him that power.

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Also, you never said what church you belong to. (if any) Are you that
ashamed of it??

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On Wed, 6 May 2026 09:13:14 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

========================================
Wed, 06 May 2026 09:20:22 -0400
<tuemvk9q5p0ua7ns1r5q24avnjrbtiiscv@4ax.com>
Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: >========================================

On Tue, 05 May 2026 06:16:11 -0500, Christ Rose
<usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

Bible: "virgin" birth.
Satan's Witness blasphemy against the Holy Ghost: "fornication"

Satan's Witness: If God the Holy Spirit is a person who causes "virgin" birth, it is "fornication". If God (a person) uses His "force" (Holy Spirit) to cause her pregnancy, it's not.

Stupid, satanically manipulated, self-and-Bible-contradicting, blasphemous liar.

oBut Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit,
looked intently at him and said, oYou son of the devil, you
enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy,
will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the
Lord?o (Acts 13:9u10, ESV)

You calling me names will not make it go away.

You never ceasing to blaspheme God, or to deny and contradict the
obvious statements of the Bible, or to contradict what even you yourself >say, won't make it go away:

Bible: The Holy Spirit is named along with the Father and Son, as a
person (Matthew 28:19).

You don't name your own "force" that you exert on others, and
put that "name" on par with other persons like the Father and
Son.

Bible: name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19).
Satan's Witness: name of Me, My Son, and the name of my "force".

Bible: Holy Spirit gives specific, local information and instruction,
like "Go here and you'll find a eunuch. Tell him the gospel"
(Acts 8:26-29).

Bible: Personified wisdom gives broad, generic insights like "fear God",
"don't commit adultery", etc. (Proverbs 1-9).

Satan's witness: There's no difference between personified wisdom that
gives broad, generic insights, and Holy Spirit wisdom which gives
specific, local information and instructions to believers.

(As if you really can't see any difference between personal intellect
and generic, personified wisdom, and are not intentionally determining
to believe a stupid, self-evident lie.)

Bible: Christ was born of a "virgin", not of an adulteress (Matthew
1:18-25).

Satan's Witness: If the Holy Spirit is a person, then the "virgin" birth
had to be "fornication". But if the Holy Spirit is God
using His own force on Mary, to cause her to conceive,
then it was not.

Idem. I see no evidence that you're not a stupid, satanically
manipulated, Bible-contradicting, self-contradicting, blasphemous liar,
who is determined to pervert the most obvious of truths and promote
Satanic lies and a false gospel.

Unfortunately for you, you've also determined to blaspheme the Holy
Ghost, in a vain effort to prop up your Satanic lies, which is
tantamount to an unpardonable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).

You and the churches are the ones calling the HS a person! The Bible
says the HS person got Mary pregnant. The weight of that falls on your shoulders, not mine.

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