• Re: Holy Spirit: a person?

    From zebrabible@zebrabible@proton.me to alt.christnet.christnews,alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Fri May 1 09:13:02 2026
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    On Mon, 20 Apr 26 02:06:56 UTC, Christ Rose <usenet@christrose.news>
    wrote:

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    Sun, 19 Apr 2026 07:13:55 -0500,
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    zebrabible@proton.me wrote:
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    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:14:39 -0500, Christ Rose
    <usenet@christrose.news> wrote:

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    Sat, 18 Apr 2026 13:26:49 -0400
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    Watchtower Heretic James <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote:
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    2. The Holy Spirit Has A Will

    "All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills." (1 Corinthians 12:11 ESV)

    Proposition: The Holy Spirit possesses a will.

    That "will" is God's will. And He sends it out to fulfil God's
    purposes. Just as the Bible shows God entering dreams and giving
    information, He directs the thinking of individuals.

    And that's what the church claims. The Holy Spirit is God, yet is not
    God

    Are you looking at what you are typing?

    "The Holy Spirit is God, yet is not God".
    Like the Trinity, it doesn't make any sense.

    the Father or God the Son.

    God the Son, but not God the Son:

    -- King James
    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
    man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
    Christ is God.

    He can't be all God, since Jesus is in subjection to God as the
    Scripture above shows. Your church Creeds show they are all equal:

    The Athanasian Creed, one of the earliest complete statements of the
    Trinity, explains it this way:

    "The Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all
    one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. . . . the Father is
    almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. . . . So the
    Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet
    there are not three Gods, but one God. . . . In this Trinity none is
    afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the
    whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal."

    COEQUAL? (see 1 Cor 11:3)

    Who knew more. the Apostle Paul filled with Holy Spirit, or uninspired
    men drafting a Creed? You decide.


    Are you dropping the 4th century Trinity doctrine?

    What I maintain is what the Bible teaches, which is that:

    o There is only one God Being, not two or three.

    OK (Deut 6:4)


    o Three individual persons are the one God Being (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

    You just said above that God is one being. Yet here you say 2 other
    persons occupy that one being. So which is it? You appear to be
    bending the Scriptures to support uninspired men. Why?



    o The Father is not the Son or the Spirit. The Son is not the Father or Spirit. The Spirit is not the Father or Son.

    Not according to the above Creed. It says THEY ARE ALL CO-EQUAL!


    Don't hate the truth, just because Catholics are correct on this teaching.

    I love Bible truth but hate Bible lies.

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.christnet.christnews,alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Fri May 1 08:35:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

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    Fri, 01 May 2026 09:13:02 -0400
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    Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================

    [Christrose wrote]

    And that's what the church claims. The Holy Spirit is God, yet is not
    God


    Are you looking at what you are typing?

    "The Holy Spirit is God, yet is not God".
    Like the Trinity, it doesn't make any sense.


    Deceitful editing on your part. You cut off the sentence before it was finished, then argued against the lie YOU manufactured out of a partial statement:

    1) Notice there's no period at the end of your citation. You cut off the statement mid-sentence to promote deceit.

    2) The full statement shows you selectively edited the statement to
    promote lies and false accusations:

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    Mon, 20 Apr 26 02:06:56 UTC
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    Satan's Witness (SW) <Christ Rose <usenet@christrose.news>> wrote: ========================================

    And that's what the church claims. The Holy Spirit is God, yet is not
    God the Father or God the Son


    So the statement was never that the Holy Spirit is God yet not God, but
    that He is God, yet not God the Father or God the Son.
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    Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
    raised Him from the dead?

    That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
    satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
    2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
    sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

    On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
    the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
    of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

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  • From Christ Rose@usenet@christrose.news to alt.christnet.christnews,alt.bible,alt.bible.religion.christian on Fri May 1 10:39:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.bible

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    Fri, 01 May 2026 09:13:02 -0400
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    Satan's Witness (SW) <zebrabible@proton.me> wrote: ========================================
    [Christ Rose wrote]
    What I maintain is what the Bible teaches, which is that:

    rCo There is only one God Being, not two or three.

    OK (Deut 6:4)

    rCo Three individual persons are the one God Being (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

    You just said above that God is one being. Yet here you say 2 other
    persons occupy that one being. So which is it? You appear to be
    bending the Scriptures to support uninspired men. Why?


    You show the false dichotomy and dangerous hermeneutic by which you
    operate. Whenever you don't like or understand what one passage teaches,
    you ignore it, then try to twist some other passage of Scripture to
    contradict it.

    For example, the Bible says in one place that the soul who sins shall
    die (Ezekiel 18:4). It also reveals in the New Testament that the soul survives the death of the body (Matthew 10:28). You IGNORE what Matthew
    10:28 teaches, PRETEND Ezekiel 18:4 contradicts it, then proclaim the
    LIE that souls cease to exist when the body dies.

    You do this, ultimately, to promote the false gospel that people can
    reject Christ's atonement for their sin, yet still escape eternal
    conscious torment without it. This is the very lie by which those who
    believe it will be led to eternal, conscious torment.

    My God exceeds human comprehension. Yours does not. You worship a false
    God, according to the lies you choose to believe rather than what the
    Bible actually says.

    The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (e.g. Deut 6:4).

    The Bible teaches three distinct persons are God (e.g. Matthew 3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, John 1:1, John 1:14, John 14:16-17, John 15:26, Acts
    5:3-4, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Peter 1:2).

    That's true whether I understand it or not, and whether I like it or not.
    --
    Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (rCa), and God
    raised Him from the dead?

    That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
    satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
    2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
    sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

    On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
    the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
    of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

    https://christrose.news/salvation

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