• send humans to Titan, it isn't a question of physics, it's a question of time, technology and commitment

    From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Mon Aug 10 18:51:18 2026
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    from https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/

    A real group of scientists and engineers spent two days in Boulder this
    June asking what it would actually take to send humans to Titan, and
    their honest answer was that it isn't a question of physics, it's a
    question of time, technology and commitment
    The greatest obstacle to reaching Saturn's moon isn't overcoming the
    laws of physicsrCoit's summoning the decades of sustained will and
    innovation that any human mission would demand.

    By Lachlan Brown
    Published August 10, 2026 -+ How we edit

    A real group of scientists and engineers spent two days in Boulder this
    June asking what it would actually take to send humans to Titan, and
    their honest answer was that it isn't a question of physics, it's a
    question of time, technology and commitment
    Illustration of Titan. Photo by Zelch Csaba via Pexels.
    Iwrote last week about the strange fact that Titan is the one place
    beyond Earth where a person could stand outside without a pressure suit,
    even though the surface sits at roughly minus 179 degrees Celsius. I
    left that fact sitting there at the time, mostly as a curiosity. ItrCOs
    worth actually following where it leads, because it turns out a real
    group of scientists and engineers spent two days in Boulder, Colorado
    this June doing exactly that.

    What makes Titan genuinely unusual as a destination
    The case for Titan starts with the same detail I keep coming back to:
    its atmosphere is denser than EarthrCOs, made mostly of nitrogen, and that thickness does real protective work. It shields the surface from a
    meaningful amount of cosmic radiation, which is one of the harder
    problems for any long duration human mission. ThatrCOs a genuinely
    different profile from the one I wrote about for Mars, where a
    NASA-funded study concluded the planet cannot be terraformed with
    current technology, leaving anyone there sealed against near vacuum,
    deep cold and steady radiation. Titan swaps one set of problems for
    another. No pressure suit, but serious insulation against the cold. Less radiation exposure, but an atmosphere thick enough that flying through
    it, by aircraft or hovercraft, becomes remarkably efficient compared
    with the thin air on Mars.

    Titan also has abundant local chemistry to work with. Its methane,
    ethane and nitrogen arenrCOt just scenery, theyrCOre potential feedstock for fuel production, which matters enormously for a destination this far
    from home.

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    The summitrCOs agenda went well beyond atmosphere and fuel. Sessions
    covered spacesuit design suited to TitanrCOs specific cold and chemistry, habitat concepts, power generation, and how people might actually move
    around once they got there, alongside the environmental hazards
    particular to the place, things like tholins, the organic compounds that
    give TitanrCOs atmosphere its orange haze. TitanrCOs weather runs on hydrocarbons rather than water: methane rain, rivers and lakes, seasonal flooding, and winds that behave differently than anything in a water
    based climate. Every one of those is an operational headache for a
    future mission and, at the same time, a reason scientists find the place
    worth the trouble.

    The actual case made in Boulder this June
    The event was called the Humans to Titan Summit, held on 11 and 12 June
    at the Southwest Research Institute, and it was the first meeting built entirely around the question of what it would take to send people there. Amanda Hendrix, president of the nonprofit Explore Titan and director of
    the Planetary Science Institute, told Space.com that the point wasnrCOt to pretend a mission was imminent. It was to normalise the idea early
    enough that it could sustain momentum across generations of researchers. rCLThe top reason in my mind that Titan is such a good spot for humans is
    the dense atmosphere,rCY she said, which tracks with everything IrCOd
    already found interesting about the place.

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    The Artful Age
    Scot Rafkin, who directs the Department of Space Studies at the
    Southwest Research Institute, offered a more measured framing of the challenge. In his view, sending people to Titan doesnrCOt run up against
    any law of physics. What stands in the way is simply the scale of
    engineering effort required, and how long it will take, and how much
    anyone is willing to invest in it. He added that the major science and technical gaps are already reasonably well mapped out, even if closing
    them will still take decades.

    What has to happen before any of this
    Every serious version of this plan runs through robotic missions first,
    and the nearest one is the mission I wrote about a few days ago:
    Dragonfly, the nuclear powered rotorcraft NASA approved to fly from site
    to site across TitanrCOs surface. ItrCOs currently planned to launch no earlier than 2028, and given what I found when I looked into just how
    far Titan actually is and how much that distance varies depending on
    where Earth and Saturn sit in their orbits, it isnrCOt hard to see why the cruise alone takes roughly six years. Once Dragonfly arrives, itrCOs
    expected to spend more than three years hopping between sites, and
    whatever it finds about surface composition, weather, and chemistry will
    feed directly into any future habitat and landing system design, long
    before a human crew is a realistic conversation.

    What IrCOd take from this
    I donrCOt think anyone at that summit believes a crewed Titan mission is close, and none of what IrCOve read suggests they were pretending
    otherwise. What struck me is the specific shape of the optimism. It
    wasnrCOt rCLwe could do this soon.rCY It was closer to RafkinrCOs framing: most
    of the hard problems are at least legible now, and legible problems are
    the kind that get solved eventually, on a timeline nobody currently
    knows. ThatrCOs a fairly humble thing to build a two-day conference
    around, and I found I liked it more for that reason, not less.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Tue Aug 11 09:04:46 2026
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:reveS.79058$syk8.2990@fx36.iad...

    from https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/

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    We are at a level of hardware development when money and support instead of technology limit what we can do. Civilization has been here before, for the Romans, the West before the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution (1800)
    and toward 1900, just before AC electricity and gas engines enabled great leaps in transportation. In many ways we were no more advanced in 1800 than the Romans, and considerably behind in public water and sewer utilities.

    https://conversableeconomist.com/2015/10/19/exonerating-henry-ellsworth-and-charles-duell-former-u-s-commissioners-of-patents/

    Airliners today are little different from the 707 of the 50's, and slower. Military jet speed hasn't improved since the 60's, it has actually fallen
    from Mach 3 to below Mach 2. General aviation still follows the plan of the Spirit of St Louis and Curtiss Robin. Cars of the 50's and 60's could have everything they needed, PS, PB, AT, A/C etc. Regulations on emissions and
    fuel economy forced them to become electronic but Model Ts and As show up at the diner on Cruise Night. The phone system still accepts mechanical rotary dialing. Manually operated machine tools are nearly identical to those of
    WW1. Hand carpentry tools have changed little since Jesus learned them from Joseph. I've been forming car rust repair panels with similar tools as a medieval armor maker.

    I'm aware of the advances, in fact I contributed to some such as color printing and cell phone digital radios. Almost all of it depended on improvements in the density of integrated circuit photo etch masks, which enabled growing computer complexity. A considerable amount of what we have
    now was born as concepts in or around the 1930's, such as computers, antibiotics, jets, radar, plastics, nuclear power etc.

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  • From Daniel@me@fuhgitabutit.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Tue Aug 11 15:46:19 2026
  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Tue Aug 11 20:51:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    "Daniel" wrote in message news:874ih0numc.fsf@rpi3...

    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    from https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/

    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn. --------------------------------------------------

    That's a waste. The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI robots immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate. We already have them on Mars.

    There is plenty of less challenging uninhabited land on Earth. https://study.com/learn/lesson/desert-geographic-location-formation.html




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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Tue Aug 11 21:15:45 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:115gg24$eeok$1@dont-email.me...

    ..The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI robots
    immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate.

    -------------------------------------
    The hand is our only physical advantage over other life forms, and we are losing it to robots.
    https://clonerobotics.com/hand

    Why not a symmetrical hand with thumbs on both sides?

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  • From R Kym Horsell@kym@sdf.org to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 02:35:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    In alt.astronomy Jim Wilkins <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
    "Daniel" wrote in message news:874ih0numc.fsf@rpi3...
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    from
    https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/
    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn. --------------------------------------------------

    I think dont take this news item that literally. AFAIK it was training
    in thinking about hard problems.
    I can imagine if we've had a couple decades of picking all the low fruit
    it's time to put some pressure on, even if it's only in play, and get
    ready to change societal gears because the problems are only gunna pile
    up from here on.

    That's a waste. The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI robots immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate. We already have them on Mars.

    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.

    There is plenty of less challenging uninhabited land on Earth. https://study.com/learn/lesson/desert-geographic-location-formation.html
    --
    We do these things not because they are easy.
    -- Some guy
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 08:10:31 2026
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    "R Kym Horsell" wrote in message news:115gm61$1ecj$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com...

    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.
    --------------------------------
    Robots could prepare a heated inhabitable base. I've lived outdoors in
    winter snow without heat in the Army and camping here in New Hampshire. We
    are very limited without warm hands. A screw fumbled and dropped in the snow can be lost until spring.

    A calamity on Earth would cut off their support. Unless we can terraform an area on Mars sufficiently to be self-sustaining we would only strand the settlers there to die. Our polar installations here can't survive without resupply.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base

    At best they would be reduced to harpooning seals and whales for food and clothing. Explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson spent an arctic winter living with the Inuit and eating nothing but boiled fish. Explorers who scorned their uncivilized lifestyle died. I've read that we can live indefinitely on meat
    as long as it contains some fat; rabbit may not. It must be cooked to kill tularemia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition

    After the dust settles and sky clears enough to let weed seeds sprout they would need to be able to return with enough supplies to recolonize a barren and possibly toxic or radioactive Earth. The Pilgrims didn't and half died
    the first winter. They were lucky to meet Squanto who spoke English and
    showed them how to farm the poor soil here. The first Virginia colonists vanished.

    Squanto had been kidnapped by an associate of Roanoke's John Smith and taken to Spain, where priests bought and freed him and he found work in a London shipyard, then became a sailor and guide. European disease caught from fishermen had killed his village and the Pilgrims offered help to defend against their enemies.

    The scenario is worth thinking about but we are far from ready to invest in preparations. AI robots able to maintain tech with extremely cold bare
    fingers may be essential.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 08:37:48 2026
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    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:115hnqk$ptjm$1@dont-email.me...

    AI robots able to maintain tech with extremely cold bare
    fingers may be essential.

    ---------------------------------------------
    Google AI:
    "Astronauts working on International Space Station (ISS) solar arrays often face intense challenges handling tiny bolts, specialized fasteners, and structural mounting hardware while wearing bulky pressurized space suit gloves. Small hardware elements like bolts and brackets require specialized tethered tools, pistol-grip power tools, and extreme patience during spacewalks (EVAs)."

    The M2.5 screws that retain a laptop hard drive are examples of the small hardware that must be handled for essential maintenance. Current NVMe drives still have one.

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  • From Stephen Harding@smharding@verizon.net to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 14:49:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    On 8/11/26 9:04 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    electronic but Model Ts and As show up at the diner on Cruise Night. The phone system still accepts mechanical rotary dialing. Manually operated
    I have an old phone with separate speaker and receiver (like in the
    1920s and 30's). It has no rotary dial to dial a number. You just used
    to have to hit the interrupt a few times to get "Martha" the switchboard operator, to place the call number you wanted.

    I was able to use it when I hooked it up to my old computer that had
    dial capability (when you had to dial up the modem to contact to
    whomever) and the call would be completed.

    People said I sounded like I was talking in a tunnel, which I sort of
    was (the speaker of the phone with the big cup to capture your voice).

    Old technology working on more modern infrastructure.

    Not sure you can do that any more. Probably can add rotary dialing app
    to your computer but who would want to?


    SMH

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  • From Daniel@me@fuhgitabutit.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 14:02:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Daniel" wrote in message news:874ih0numc.fsf@rpi3...

    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:

    from
    https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/

    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn. --------------------------------------------------

    That's a waste. The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI
    robots immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate. We already have them on Mars.

    There is plenty of less challenging uninhabited land on Earth. https://study.com/learn/lesson/desert-geographic-location-formation.html

    Far more realistic to send bots. But sending humans? psh
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 18:16:49 2026
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    "Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:115if7g$121h9$1@dont-email.me...

    On 8/11/26 9:04 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    ...The phone system still accepts mechanical rotary dialing.

    I have an old phone with separate speaker and receiver (like in the
    1920s and 30's). It has no rotary dial to dial a number. You just used
    to have to hit the interrupt a few times to get "Martha" the switchboard operator, to place the call number you wanted.

    I was able to use it when I hooked it up to my old computer that had
    dial capability (when you had to dial up the modem to contact to
    whomever) and the call would be completed.

    People said I sounded like I was talking in a tunnel, which I sort of
    was (the speaker of the phone with the big cup to capture your voice).

    Old technology working on more modern infrastructure.

    Not sure you can do that any more. Probably can add rotary dialing app
    to your computer but who would want to?

    SMH

    ---------------------------------------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strowger_switch
    I took a night class in the telephone system, including cellular. The instructor said the wife of the town's other undertaker was the phone operator.

    The Japanese used a stepping relay module from the phone switching system in their diplomatic secret code machine. Without ever seeing one the American assigned to build a test version happened to choose the same device. https://www.nsa.gov/history/national-cryptologic-museum/exhibits-artifacts/exhibit-view/article/2718925/the-magic-of-purple/

    The Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 allowed Japan 3/5ths as many battleships as the US because we had broken the coded message to the negotiator that set that minimum. They assumed half our force would be in the Atlantic and they would still have an initial advantage.

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  • From Daniel@me@fuhgitabutit.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Thu Aug 13 15:20:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:

    In alt.astronomy Jim Wilkins <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
    "Daniel" wrote in message news:874ih0numc.fsf@rpi3...
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    from
    https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/
    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn.
    --------------------------------------------------

    I think dont take this news item that literally. AFAIK it was training
    in thinking about hard problems.
    I can imagine if we've had a couple decades of picking all the low fruit it's time to put some pressure on, even if it's only in play, and get
    ready to change societal gears because the problems are only gunna pile
    up from here on.

    That's a waste. The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI robots >> immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate. We >> already have them on Mars.

    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.

    What calamity would necessitate sending a human population to Mars? What problem would it solve? Pretend the endeavor can be done today for the
    sake of thought experiment.

    This is not a challenge to your statement, just having conversation.

    --
    Daniel
    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | info@bbs.airandwave.net
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Thu Aug 13 19:46:37 2026
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    "Daniel" wrote in message news:87se4h64sr.fsf@rpi3...

    R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:


    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.

    What calamity would necessitate sending a human population to Mars? What problem would it solve? Pretend the endeavor can be done today for the
    sake of thought experiment.

    This is not a challenge to your statement, just having conversation.
    Daniel

    ---------------------------------

    Likely a human presence on Mars would be a small, highly qualified selected group, like South Pole researchers, submarine or ISS crews. A study of the personalities of explorers et al. might reveal something of the traits they would bring back to resettle a devastated Earth.

    Here's one:
    https://www.16personalities.com/articles/roles-explorers

    Google AI:
    "In the TV show Angel (Season 5, Episode 15, "A Hole in the World"), Angel
    and Spike famously spend over 40 minutes arguing over whether cavemen or unarmed astronauts would win in a physical fight. Spike argues that raw
    primal savagery and survival instincts give cavemen the absolute win, while Angel defends the intelligence, size, and teamwork of astronauts."

    That may have been a debate from a writers' meeting salvaged into a script.
    I think the outcome depends on whether the cavemen or astronauts could win
    the support of other tribes, which is how Cortez and Pizarro defeated
    powerful empires.

    Lewis and Clark avoided hostility by demonstrating a high capacity assault rifle to the natives. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/lewis-and-clarks-girandoni-air-rifle/ "At village after village, the small band of 38 explorers was allowed to
    pass safely without a single casualty through some of the most hostile and warlike peoples on earth."
    It's possible the Girandoni was Thomas Jefferson's.


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  • From R Kym Horsell@kym@sdf.org to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri Aug 14 00:12:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    In alt.astronomy Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> wrote:
    R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:

    In alt.astronomy Jim Wilkins <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
    "Daniel" wrote in message news:874ih0numc.fsf@rpi3...
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    from
    https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-two-days-in-boulder-this-june-asking-what-it-would-actually-take-to-send-humans-to-titan-and-their-honest-answer-was-that-it-isnt-a-question-of-physics/
    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn.
    --------------------------------------------------
    I think dont take this news item that literally. AFAIK it was training
    in thinking about hard problems.
    I can imagine if we've had a couple decades of picking all the low fruit
    it's time to put some pressure on, even if it's only in play, and get
    ready to change societal gears because the problems are only gunna pile
    up from here on.
    That's a waste. The Titan mission will be crewed by non-humanoid AI robots >>> immune to the environment and able to crawl, swim or fly as appropriate. We
    already have them on Mars.
    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.
    What calamity would necessitate sending a human population to Mars? What
    ...

    Sommin like SL9 but aimed at Earth.

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  • From Daniel@me@fuhgitabutit.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Thu Aug 13 19:43:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Daniel" wrote in message news:87se4h64sr.fsf@rpi3...

    R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:


    If the plan is to have more than one planet in the system with people on
    in just in case some calamity happens, then you cant send a robot to
    do that for you.

    What calamity would necessitate sending a human population to Mars? What problem would it solve? Pretend the endeavor can be done today for the
    sake of thought experiment.

    This is not a challenge to your statement, just having conversation.
    Daniel

    ---------------------------------

    Likely a human presence on Mars would be a small, highly qualified
    selected group, like South Pole researchers, submarine or ISS crews. A
    study of the personalities of explorers et al. might reveal something
    of the traits they would bring back to resettle a devastated Earth.

    In my opinion, Mars is out of reach for human colonization. Our best bet
    is the moon, and people could be ferried in and out like we do with the
    ISS.

    --
    Daniel
    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | info@bbs.airandwave.net
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  • From Phigan@phigan@mutinybbs.com.remove-51d-this to All on Fri Aug 14 02:30:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    Re: Re: send humans to Titan, it isn't a question of physics, it's a quest
    By: Daniel to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Tue Aug 11 2026 15:46:19

    https://spacedaily.com/t-a-real-group-of-scientists-and-engineers-spent-tw

    Whoever funded this clearly had cash to burn.

    They could probably make a cool movie out of everything that came out of there. That'd make some of it back ;).
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  • From Phigan@phigan@mutinybbs.com.remove-51d-this to All on Fri Aug 14 02:33:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    Re: Re: send humans to Titan, it isn't a question of physics, it's a quest
    By: R Kym Horsell to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Wed Aug 12 2026 02:35:45

    We do these things not because they are easy.
    -- Some guy

    "but because we _thought_ they would be easy."
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri Aug 14 08:19:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    "Daniel" wrote in message news:87ecg18ls3.fsf@rpi3...

    In my opinion, Mars is out of reach for human colonization. Our best bet
    is the moon, and people could be ferried in and out like we do with the
    ISS.
    Daniel

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    Our ionosphere prevents us from receiving long wave radio signals and a dish antenna large enough for them is impractical for satellites. They require
    only the simplest technology to transmit and receive and are excellent candidates for alien transmissions if any are to be found. This project enables searching in an obvious but currently inaccessible frequency band
    for what we may be missing.

    https://www.nasa.gov/general/lunar-crater-radio-telescope-lcrt-on-the-far-side-of-the-moon/

    An orbiting satellite could collect and relay the data back to Earth.

    Perhaps aliens just received the distress call from MGY (Titanic) and are coming to the rescue, or to observe our entry into technology. Or to conquer the primitives and exploit their new discovery as we did.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.economics,ca.politics,fl.politics on Fri Aug 14 12:46:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.astronomy

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:115n13u$2h4cr$1@dont-email.me...

    "Daniel" wrote in message news:87ecg18ls3.fsf@rpi3...

    In my opinion, Mars is out of reach for human colonization. Our best bet
    is the moon, and people could be ferried in and out like we do with the
    ISS.
    Daniel
    ----------------------------------- https://www.nasa.gov/general/lunar-crater-radio-telescope-lcrt-on-the-far-side-of-the-moon/

    I strongly suspect that such an engineering project would benefit from or require human assistance to troubleshoot and solve unexpected problems such
    as snagged or tangled cables, dirt in connectors or soil unsuited for
    anchors. As a project of noncritical and limited scope it could provide experience for a mission to construct a permanent habitat whether it
    succeeds or fails. However a good location for it may not be accessible from
    a base near the South Pole.
    https://www.nasa.gov/moonbase/

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