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INSTRUCTIONS: Here are three poems by the same poet (not me). What poets appear to have influenced him?
Also rate the poet's skill on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being Great, 10 being awful)


The Traditional Traditionalist

This writer relies entirely on established, rhythmic structures. They utilize a standard AABB/AABB ballad structure in rCLAlways ThererCY and strict Rondeau/Triolet variations in rCLPossibilitiesrCY and rCLA Miracle,rCY repeating foundational lines to build momentum.

Apparent Influences: A.E. Housman, Christina Rossetti, and 19th-century church hymnals. The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean, circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early 20th-century greeting-card verse.

The Critique: While the mechanics are solid and the meter rarely slips, the language borders on clich|-. Rhyme pairs like could've/should've, deal, dear/meal, dear, and somewhere/always there feel forced, sacrificing emotional specificity for structural convenience.

rCLA MiraclerCY is the strongest of the three because the historical theme forces more elevated vocabulary ("unto Zion they returned").

Skill Rating: 6 / 10 (Fair). Highly competent with a metronome and textbook structures, but lacks linguistic freshness and depth.


*****
This matches quite well with my own critiques of Dunce's poetry in the past.

Please note that my instructions were minimal and couched in neutral language so as not to have any influence on the AI.


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michaelmaleficapendragon@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (HarryLime) wrote
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INSTRUCTIONS: Here are three poems by the same poet (not me). What
poets appear to have influenced him? Also rate the poet's skill on a
scale of 1 to 10 (1 being Great, 10 being awful)

The Traditional Traditionalist

This writer relies entirely on established, rhythmic structures. They
utilize a standard AABB/AABB ballad structure in rCLAlways ThererCY
and strict Rondeau/Triolet variations in rCLPossibilitiesrCY and rCLA Miracle,rCY repeating foundational lines to build momentum.

Apparent Influences: A.E. Housman, Christina Rossetti, and
19th-century church hymnals. The preoccupation with immediate,
accessible rhymes and clean, circular refrains mimics Victorian
devotional poetry or early 20th-century greeting-card verse.

The Critique: While the mechanics are solid and the meter rarely
slips, the language borders on clich|-. Rhyme pairs like
could've/should've, deal, dear/meal, dear, and somewhere/always there
feel forced, sacrificing emotional specificity for structural
convenience.

rCLA MiraclerCY is the strongest of the three because the historical
theme forces more elevated vocabulary ("unto Zion they returned").

Skill Rating: 6 / 10 (Fair). Highly competent with a metronome and
textbook structures, but lacks linguistic freshness and depth.

*****
This matches quite well with my own critiques of Dunce's poetry in the
past.

Please note that my instructions were minimal and couched in neutral
language so as not to have any influence on the AI.

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Thanks for the upcoming Canuckistani FROTH. Have him team up with Binky.
I'm sure they'll have a lot of pedophile and NAMBLA stores to trade.

Maybe they can reach out to Joey Stout.
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HarryLime wrote in article <ve-
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The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?
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The True Melissa wrote:
HarryLime wrote in article <ve>:

The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?

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United States of America - North America - Earth
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Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

Just the AI in the Google search bar.

I got a big laugh out of it because I'm always telling Dunce the same thing.
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HarryLime wrote:

The True Melissa wrote:
HarryLime wrote in article <ve>:

The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?

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The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

Just the AI in the Google search bar.

I got a big laugh out of it because I'm always telling Dunce the same thing.

It's easier to acquire technical skill than it is to gain an imagination.
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NancyGene wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

The True Melissa wrote:
HarryLime wrote in article <ve>:

The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?

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The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

Just the AI in the Google search bar.

I got a big laugh out of it because I'm always telling Dunce the same thing.

It's easier to acquire technical skill than it is to gain an imagination.

It's a matter of craft vs talent.

Dunce is a skilled craftsman who lacks talent.

Just as the Donkey has a natural talent, but lacks even the most basic skills.

Had Will taken my advice and taken online English courses, he might have written some worthwhile poems.

Otoh, since talent is something that cannot be acquired, Dunce could never hope to be anything better than... meh.
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HarryLime wrote:

NancyGene wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

The True Melissa wrote:
HarryLime wrote in article <ve>:

The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?

--
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

Just the AI in the Google search bar.

I got a big laugh out of it because I'm always telling Dunce the same thing.

It's easier to acquire technical skill than it is to gain an imagination.

It's a matter of craft vs talent.

Dunce is a skilled craftsman who lacks talent.

Just as the Donkey has a natural talent, but lacks even the most basic skills.

Had Will taken my advice and taken online English courses, he might have written some worthwhile poems.

Otoh, since talent is something that cannot be acquired, Dunce could never hope to be anything better than... meh.

We would argue that Dunce has neither talent nor imagination. The Donkey has chutzpah and has always believed he had talent (which he doesn't), but Donkey has no skill or imagination beyond himself.
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NancyGene wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

NancyGene wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

The True Melissa wrote:
HarryLime wrote in article <ve>:

The preoccupation with immediate, accessible rhymes and clean,
circular refrains mimics Victorian devotional poetry or early
20th-century greeting-card verse.

Wow. That comes off almost as snark.

Which AI are you using?

--
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

Just the AI in the Google search bar.

I got a big laugh out of it because I'm always telling Dunce the same thing.

It's easier to acquire technical skill than it is to gain an imagination. >>

It's a matter of craft vs talent.

Dunce is a skilled craftsman who lacks talent.

Just as the Donkey has a natural talent, but lacks even the most basic skills.

Had Will taken my advice and taken online English courses, he might have written some worthwhile poems.

Otoh, since talent is something that cannot be acquired, Dunce could never hope to be anything better than... meh.

We would argue that Dunce has neither talent nor imagination. The Donkey has chutzpah and has always believed he had talent (which he doesn't), but Donkey has no skill or imagination beyond himself.

Dunce definitely lacks imagination -- unless one counts his paranoid delusions.

Donkey has chutzpah (although I think narcissism a better fit), but he does have some talent.

It's difficult to determine how much talent he actually has, because his lack of writing skills often undercuts it. I edited at least a half dozen of his poems, which (in their edited form) turned out to be pretty good.

If an editor were inclined to tackle the job, they could edit together a slim volume of poetry by the Donkey and turn out a decent book in the process.

Of course, the bulk of his poems are unsalvageable, but there are enough potentially good ones for someone to bring it off.
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