George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa> wrote:
George J. Dance wrote in article <1786286544>:
I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup portals,
though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.
I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
all right.
This is so silly. Do any of you have any idea how Usenet works? A
web gate to Usenet is not Usenet! There's no such thing as
removal of a post! All of the posts are messages being sent among
servers around the world, and there is absolutely no way to go
get into all those servers and delete all the copies. Of course,
In very familiar with Usenet, by the way, after all I've been posting
here for over twenty years.
if Will understood that, he might not overpost in the first
place.
Notice how Melissa shrugs and looks the other way while Pendragon and
his ilk are flooding the poetry newsgroup with troll threads filled with
lies, misrepresentations and childish name-calling.
All the while calling me an "assassin."
I blocked Will because his constant flood of self-centeredness
was driving me nuts. That is now done, and trying to make me into
one of the villains of your drama only shows how wise I was to
walk away.
Yet, here she is, still complaining and making misrepresentations.
And so it goes.
I'll continue to monitor this group, in case anyone else is
innocent enough to try joining. I believe it could be helpful for
a newcomer to meet someone who
Someone who will negatively influence new poets joining the newsgoup
from the start.
Got it.
Again, so it goes.
It's interesting how she admits she continues to read ("monitor")
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
George J. Dance wrote:
Bruce wrote:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
That's correct, Bruce. The fact that Melissa's post disappeared
from JLA Forums, and nowhere else, shows that she originally
made it on JLA Forums, and athat t the time she deleted it she
was a JLA Forums premium subscriber.
Will Dockery wrote:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
"When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J
***
On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote: >>>
in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at >>>> will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:
When.
When the mill shut down,
we hit the pavement with a thud,
then we all got up and kept walking.
Some to the work house,
some to the poor house,
some to the whorehouse,
and the grave.
-Will Dockery
This one's good, Will.
The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >>>> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
Stuart
(crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
and I never threatened you)
***
Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. >> But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance,
you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of >> your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where
you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's >> assessment of this poem:
"Strengths
Authenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in.
rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:
When the mill shut down
we hit the pavement with a thud
then we all got up
and kept on walking.
Some to the work house
some to the poor house
some to the whorehouse
and the grave.
"The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective
resilience and attrition without overstatement."
That's pretty good, quotable, even.
Thanks, George.
Yes, that does make a good quote. I'm sure the "trusted source" would
give you a lot of equally positive critiques about many of your poems.
Since you're one of the few who knows who the "trusted source" is,
I'd urge you to start using it yourself. I've been very impressed by how
well that AI works, and would like to see more people using it.
This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078--
George J. Dance wrote:
Bruce wrote:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
That's correct, Bruce. The fact that Melissa's post disappeared
from JLA Forums, and nowhere else, shows that she originally
made it on JLA Forums, and at the time she deleted it she
was a JLA Forums premium subscriber.
George J. Dance wrote:
Bruce wrote:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
That's correct, Bruce. The fact that Melissa's post disappeared
from JLA Forums, and nowhere else, shows that she originally
made it on JLA Forums, and athat t the time she deleted it she
was a JLA Forums premium subscriber.
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm-a not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
Will Dockery wrote:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
"When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J
***
On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote: >>>
in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at >>>> will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:
When.
When the mill shut down,
we hit the pavement with a thud,
then we all got up and kept walking.
Some to the work house,
some to the poor house,
some to the whorehouse,
and the grave.
-Will Dockery
This one's good, Will.
The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >>>> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
Stuart
(crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
and I never threatened you)
***
Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. >> But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance,
you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of >> your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where
you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's >> assessment of this poem:
"Strengths
Authenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in.
rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:
When the mill shut down
we hit the pavement with a thud
then we all got up
and kept on walking.
Some to the work house
some to the poor house
some to the whorehouse
and the grave.
"The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective
resilience and attrition without overstatement."
That's pretty good, quotable, even.
Thanks, George.
Yes, that does make a good quote. I'm sure the "trusted source" would
give you a lot of equally positive critiques about many of your poems.
Since you're one of the few who knows who the "trusted source" is,
I'd urge you to start using it yourself. I've been very impressed by how
well that AI works, and would like to see more people using it.
This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078
Bruce <Bruce@guffaw.noneya> posted:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm-a not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
Of course most of us knew that from at least the Google Groups days.
Content could be deleted from Google Groups but would remain elsewhere on Usenet.
Will Dockery wrote:
"When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J
***
On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote:
in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at
will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:
When.
When the mill shut down,
we hit the pavement with a thud,
then we all got up and kept walking.
Some to the work house,
some to the poor house,
some to the whorehouse,
and the grave.
-Will Dockery
This one's good, Will.
The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
Stuart
(crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
and I never threatened you)
***
Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance, you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's assessment of this poem:
"StrengthsAuthenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in. rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:
When the mill shut down
we hit the pavement with a thud
then we all got up
and kept on walking.
Some to the work house
some to the poor house
some to the whorehouse
and the grave.
The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective resilience and attrition without overstatement."
This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078--
Bruce wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Bruce <Bruce> posted:
George J. Dance wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
Possibly from JLA Forums, which I believe has a delete option in the
edit function, but I'll have to have a look, I'm not certain.
JLA does have a delete option, but only for posts made on JLA Forums,
not for posts coming in from Usenet. And it is reserved for premium
content subscribers who pay a fee for the service.
That may very well be but it won't delete *anything* from
the spools of other Usenet providers, the JLA posts will
remain there.
Of course most of us knew that from at least the Google Groups days.
Content could be deleted from Google Groups but would remain elsewhere on Usenet.
Stick to your
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the
group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what
her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it. That's not an expression I use.
You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
similarly to people I barely know.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.
I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.
I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
all right.
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it. That's not an expression I use.
You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
similarly to people I barely know.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
[snip]
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
[snip]
I read and responded to Melissa"s post already, earlier.
Thanks, but I don't need your necropost.
I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup
portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.
I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
all right.
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance)
posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with
the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough
like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that
she's just taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it. That's not an expression I use.
You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
similarly to people I barely know.
I never wrote what you just responded to, also.
Try to keep up.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
I did write that ^^^
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.
Your claim to be blocking me is apparently also not true, for
starters.
That said, you've jumbled your response, because some of it is in
response to Georgia J. Dance and some of it to me.
Like I said, this is Usenet, you're free to come and go as you please.
will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) wrote in news:9eOdnWKYW-E_zx_3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com:
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
[snip]
I read and responded to Melissa"s post already, earlier.
Thanks, but I don't need your necropost.
That's OK, I'm just xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
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George J. Dance wrote in article <1786286544-2782@newsgrouper.org>:
I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup
portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.
I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
all right.
This is so silly. Do any of you have any idea how Usenet works? A
web gate to Usenet is not Usenet! There's no such thing as
removal of a post! All of the posts are messages being sent among
servers around the world, and there is absolutely no way to go
get into all those servers and delete all the copies. Of course,
if Will understood that, he might not overpost in the first
place.
I blocked Will
*******************************
She xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
[snip]
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it.
Bruce wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
in response to George J. Dance and some of it to me.
You call him Georgia?
Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1786924594-3274@newsgrouper.org:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance)
posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with
the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough
like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that
she's just taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it. That's not an expression I use.
You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
similarly to people I barely know.
I never wrote what you just responded to, also.
Try to keep up.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
I did write that ^^^
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.
Your claim to be blocking me is apparently also not true, for
starters.
That said, you've jumbled your response, because some of it is in
response to George J. Dance and some of it to me.
If you actually read what you wrote you would have spotted
Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group
(she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
Never said it. That's not an expression I use.
You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
similarly to people I barely know.
I never wrote what you just responded to, also.
Try to keep up.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
I did write that ^^^
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.
The True Melissa wrote:
georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
[quoted text muted]
aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group
(she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new
"publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.
George J Dance wrote the above, not me.
Again, try to keep up.
Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.
As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
don't like that
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