• help --- out of memory error

    From Dan@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 20:45:01 2025
    Hello all,

    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.

    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dan on Wed May 7 17:03:11 2025
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan <danZZZ12398newsgroups@outlook.com> wrote:
    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.
    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    "large files" . . . what files, how large?
    "out of memory" . . . what tells you that?

    might also try . . .
    news:alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dan on Wed May 7 20:23:22 2025
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan <danZZZ12398newsgroups@outlook.com> wrote:
    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.
    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    p.s. search results suggest agent 8 had "memory issues" . . .

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forte+agent+out+of+memory+error

    e.g.

    Path: n..!spool1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!not-for-mail
    From: M. Berkowitz <not@in-this-lifetime.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
    Subject: Memory issues with Agent 8 build 1272 on windows 10 pc
    Message-ID: <fpkascd1erm0eco91ht2dffa1js4r2c28i@4ax.com>
    User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
    X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com
    Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:34:16 -0700\
    ...
    I am having multiple issues running Agent 8 current build on my Intel
    based HP Envy laptop with:
    2TB hard drive
    16Gb of memory
    Windows 10 professional
    Intel Core i7 processor &th gen
    1) Megajoining very large files fails resulting in multiple downloads
    that never finish.
    2) Downloading newsgroup headers in groups with a large number of
    messages causes the error: Out of memory: Close other programs and try
    the operation again. Since Forte doesn't allow incremental header
    updates starting from oldest to newest messages, sampling messages
    doesn't work. Before one crash the kill filter found 85,000,000
    messages from the jerks spamming the groups with PRIVATE in the
    subject.
    There is plenty of virtual memory available but agent doesn't seem to
    use it. 16GB of working memory is also ample. Agent is the only
    program running when either of these problems occur.
    I have tried to get help from Forte but they never reply. How did they
    bumble memory management so badly? The concepts they introduced in
    Agent 8 are interesting but were not fully developed. I turned off >megajoining but it is more difficult to retrieve attachment segments
    and par files than in previous versions of Agent. Is Forete still in
    business or have they abandoned development and support for Agent?
    [end quoted excerpt . . . 18 total articles in that 8-yr old thread]

    i never encountered errors while testing agent 8, but i didn't like the overcomplicated interface with too many features i'd probably never use

    (p.p.s. your article resembles this eight-year old article prominently)

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to noreply@dirge.harmsk.com on Thu May 8 09:01:19 2025
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 17:03:11 -0400, D <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan <danZZZ12398newsgroups@outlook.com> wrote:
    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.
    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    "large files" . . . what files, how large?
    "out of memory" . . . what tells you that?

    might also try . . .
    news:alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent


    Will try that and thanks.

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to Dan on Thu May 8 20:55:13 2025
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan wrote:

    Hello all,

    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.

    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272


    There will be different answers depending on which of these the
    problem is with:

    1. A large file, e.g. you are downloading a single file attachment
    which is over 2GB or 4GB in size.

    2. A large number of different files (not headers), e.g. you are
    trying to download thousands of different file attachments all
    at the same time.

    3. A large number of headers.

    An out of memory error usually means a large number of headers,
    not files, as Frank Slootweg replied in the Windows 11 newsgroup.


    If you want to stick with Agent, below are some things you can do
    for each of these cases.

    The other alternative would be to look for a 64-bit newsreader which
    meets your needs. That is going to depend on what your needs are;
    for example Thunderbird is 64-bit but it is not well suited for
    multipart binaries.


    Some things you can do, depending on the case:

    3. A large number of headers

    According to Forté [1], "Because of various performance and RAM
    limitations, we recommend that you keep the number of messages
    in a folder below 1 million."

    a) For downloading *new* headers, adjust this setting to
    restrict the number to the most recent 1 million.

    Folder >> Default Properties >> Receiving messages
    [x] Limit number of headers retrieved per session to [_######_]

    b) If you already have over half a million headers in a folder, delete
    most of them before downloading more headers.


    # Files (not headers) in general
    2. A large number of different files (not headers)
    1. A large file

    Make sure Agent is configured to save attachments to your
    hard drive and not into Agent's database, no matter what
    happens - as per the settings in [2].


    2. A large number of different files (not headers)

    Limit the number of file attachments you download at the same time.


    ____
    REFERENCES

    [1] <https://www.forteinc.com/release/notes.php?id=71>, Larger Folder Size
    or
    Help >> Index >> Release Notes >> Agent 7.1 Release Notes >> Larger Folder Size

    [2] <https://www.forteinc.com/release/notes.php?id=70>, Improved Saving of Attachments
    or
    Help >> Index >> Release Notes >> Agent 7.0 Release Notes >> Improved Saving of Attachments



    --
    Kind regards
    Ralph Fox
    🦊️

    Cloudy mornings turn to clear evenings.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Dan on Thu May 8 08:44:02 2025
    On Thu, 08 May 2025 09:01:19 +0100, Dan <danZZZ12398newsgroups@outlook.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 17:03:11 -0400, D <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan <danZZZ12398newsgroups@outlook.com> wrote:
    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is >>>not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.
    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    "large files" . . . what files, how large?
    "out of memory" . . . what tells you that?

    might also try . . .
    news:alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent


    Will try that and thanks.

    p.p.p.s. i've never tested usenet newsreaders for downloading binaries, but search results for "nzb" freeware https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nzb+open+source might help out . . . not many choices, but these two seem to be popular ... >...
    SABnzbd - The free and easy binary newsreader
    https://sabnzbd.org/
    ...
    NZBGet - Usenet downloader
    https://nzbget.com/
    ...

    (lots of users recommend mozilla thunderbird/betterbird...i'd never use it)

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 17:41:32 2025
    On Thu, 08 May 2025 20:55:13 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 07 May 2025 20:45:01 +0100, Dan wrote:

    Hello all,

    I currently use (paid - latest) forte - agent as a my news reader.
    Sadly it cannot handle large files. It states "out of memory". My
    current PC is the x 7- 9700 ryzen with 32 GB ddr 5 RAM. So hardware is
    not a problem. Even with multiple programs open, task manager states
    8.1 Gig RAM used.
    Internet is 1 Gig symmetric, but whenever I try to download large
    number of files I get the above error.

    So what can be recommended to solve this problem?

    User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272


    There will be different answers depending on which of these the
    problem is with:

    1. A large file, e.g. you are downloading a single file attachment
    which is over 2GB or 4GB in size.

    2. A large number of different files (not headers), e.g. you are
    trying to download thousands of different file attachments all
    at the same time.

    3. A large number of headers.

    An out of memory error usually means a large number of headers,
    not files, as Frank Slootweg replied in the Windows 11 newsgroup.


    If you want to stick with Agent, below are some things you can do
    for each of these cases.

    The other alternative would be to look for a 64-bit newsreader which
    meets your needs. That is going to depend on what your needs are;
    for example Thunderbird is 64-bit but it is not well suited for
    multipart binaries.


    Some things you can do, depending on the case:

    3. A large number of headers

    According to FortΘ [1], "Because of various performance and RAM
    limitations, we recommend that you keep the number of messages
    in a folder below 1 million."

    a) For downloading *new* headers, adjust this setting to
    restrict the number to the most recent 1 million.

    Folder >> Default Properties >> Receiving messages
    [x] Limit number of headers retrieved per session to [_######_]

    b) If you already have over half a million headers in a folder, delete
    most of them before downloading more headers.


    # Files (not headers) in general
    2. A large number of different files (not headers)
    1. A large file

    Make sure Agent is configured to save attachments to your
    hard drive and not into Agent's database, no matter what
    happens - as per the settings in [2].


    2. A large number of different files (not headers)

    Limit the number of file attachments you download at the same time.


    ____
    REFERENCES

    [1] <https://www.forteinc.com/release/notes.php?id=71>, Larger Folder Size
    or
    Help >> Index >> Release Notes >> Agent 7.1 Release Notes >> Larger Folder Size

    [2] <https://www.forteinc.com/release/notes.php?id=70>, Improved Saving of Attachments
    or
    Help >> Index >> Release Notes >> Agent 7.0 Release Notes >> Improved Saving of Attachments


    Sadly, I have had to limit the number of downloaded headers.

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