On 28/08/2024 14:01, Kyonshi wrote:

On 8/28/2024 10:11 AM, JAB wrote:

On 27/08/2024 18:38, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

Also, there apparently is a sizeable contingent of right-wingers who
have fallen in love with the game because the developers have a
history of misogyny and the game is 'not woke'. You know, the usual
Gamergate crowd. How true these accusations are, and whether this
group is numerous enough to make that much of an impact, I've no idea.
Still, I wouldn't be too surprised if there's a contingent of them
who, having more money than sense, are buying multiple copies just to
bolster the sales of a game that (they believe) champions their cause.

I find the whole anti-woke brigade rather tedious with their attitude
that they somehow own the games industry so only their 'needs' should
be catered to and that seems to include such highlights as a game is
woke if women aren't portrayed as weak and don't have the breasts half
hanging out.

I mean, weren't we there 20 years ago already that guys like to watch something nice when playing a game as well? Wasn't that the whole appeal
of Tomb Raider to begin with? I definitely remember articles about "Why
do so many guys like to play female characters in games?" that came down
to "uhm... I won't say butts, but it's butts."

And then that anti-woke brigade comes and shits all over the place
because they can't stand a video game not catering to them alone for once.
I mean, I am a straight white male, and you know what? I don't want to
look only at guys the whole time, and I kinda dig strong women. And I experienced enough white male protagonists in my lifetime, I kinda want
to play something else.

For me it kinda depends on the game you're playing so one with a strong narrative I tend not go with female characters and I find it harder to empathise with they. For a lot of games though I really don't care. As
an example I like the first two instalments of Telltale's Walking Dead
but I found it harder to play Clementine being female and more
importantly young.

In tabletop RPG's I don't play female characters at all, the reason
being I'm pretty sure my character would end up as a walking stereotype.

(it also doesn't help that they complain even if there's just the option
of a female character, which is like... what do you even want?!)

I think that does show where they are actually coming from, they want
things totally excluded not just I want the option.

The other part is it's the same crowd that bangs on about freedom of
expression and being anti-cancel culture. What they actually mean is
freedom of expression is only good if we agree with what you say and
'cancelling' anything we don't like is absolutely fine.

It's the same old song about being all about freedom of expression, but having a meltdown as soon as they see one opinion that doesn't fit their
own. But they expect everybody else to just take their horseshit without argument and without being able to filter them out.

Basically yes, for some people freedom of expression means I can say
what I want but you're not allowed to challenge it in anyway.

There is a flip side though, Kingdom Come:Deliverance II has had
accusations of lack of diversity due to in particular the lack of non-
white NPC's. It's a historical setting, that's one of its selling
points. What do you expect?

People in general underestimate the amount of travelers and immigrants
in a lot of history. There was in general a lot more of it as the
"whites only" crowd wants to make people believe. Still not significant numbers, but Europe, and especially something as central as Bohemia,
would not have been a stranger to people looking different.

Someone did do a video on this and their conclusion was yes non-whites
would exist but they'd be very rare and as outsiders would generally be mistrusted. That's just the way society was.

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