• Telecommuting and working remotely.

    From debian@700:100/69 to All on Fri Jul 29 00:56:05 2022
    First off, I am loving the fact that I can get my news from online bulletin boards and I don't have to visit these ad and javascript laden websites. I am also loving the fact that I can do all of this from a laptop PC from 1997 running Windows 98 SE.

    Now, on to the topic at hand. Reading a post from TechnologyDaily in the TQW_GENTECH area titled "Cost of living crisis driving workers towars hybrid working", confirms what I have been theorizing for a couple years now with regards to VR. In the "New World Order", you will be confined to your living quarters - your work will be done remotely from your location either via
    a computer terminal, or a VR station. Whether they actually attempt to implement
    this scenerio 100% remains to be seen, but we are seeing glimpses of it now.

    In this article, they state that data from slack shows that "70% of workers believe hybrid working [working remotely] has helped them deal with rising costs, as they now spend less on food and transportation to a physical
    office". If poeple keep this mentality, several industries are going to be heavily impacted. People won't be driving, flying, nor consuming as much.
    It goes with out saying that auto manufacturers, dealerships, airplane manufacturers, gas stations, and oil refineries (to name a few) will be decimated by this.

    Also, with people working remotely, there will be no need for a physical
    office location. This will impact the realestate industry as businesses won't be purchasing nor renting office space since you can just work at home for
    a fraction of the cost.

    My speculation here is that we will may see realestate prices drop atleast in some areas for office buildings. I say this is speculation and "in some areas" because in places like New York, the prices have not dropped for office space. Louis Rossman has reported on this in several of his videos where office
    space has been on the market for years by this point, and the price has not dropped. Maybe the prices will drop once the realestate agents who own those office buildings come to the realization that they absolutely must sell, or
    get tenants in their buildings?

    "The study also found hybrid working has become such an integral part of most people's lives that two-thirds (66%) say they would likely start looking for
    a new job if their current employer stopped offering it". If that is actually true, expect rent prices to go up on office buildings. Expect for office realestate to be adversely impacted by this type of mentality.

    Also, These type of jobs that can function in a remote working environment aren't sustainable when there is an economic down turn. Companies that produce something that is physically consumable are typically better able to withstand an economic downturn. Food, water, and ammo are the types of products that
    see a huge increase in demand during economic downturns.

    As things continue to worsen economically, I believe that we will see the companies which produce the aforementioned of products find a foothold and become more profitable than any of these companies that employ a remote office strategy. I could be wrong, and I suspect that the media will hide the fact that these remote companies are failing, but I am no economist after all.

    It is always better to live in actual reality. "The way we work has changed, and we are never going back" says Chris Mills (Head of Custoemr Success at Slack). I strongly disagree with this. As things worsen, these remote
    are going to fold as they aren't producing any physical product (for the most part). Most of these companies are tech companies - mostly tech support and software development companies. Any company that produces a physical product has a factory somewhere that you have to drive to and work at.

    I am not convinced that we have the technology to run a factory that is completely automated. I work in a factory that produces food and if we were
    to convert to a completely automated environment, the factory would be dead in the water within 5 minutes. The amount, severity, and cause of jams very
    widely and I am not convinced that the automation exists to properly identify the jam (and the cause of it) and correct for it.

    I do not see a remote office being sustainable, especially during an economic downturn.

    Article I am referencing: https://www.techradar.com/news/cost-of-living-crisis-drives-workers-towards-hyb
    rid-working/

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to debian on Fri Jul 29 02:55:45 2022
    Very good writeup Debian.

    Like factories that need actual people to produce, will the various transport, trade and service industries also become more robust? I mean those who keep the physical infrastructure running. Like who would work remotely if their water, heat and sewage didn't work at home, and who is going to pickup the trash?

    Things are a changing!

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  • From debian@700:100/69 to all on Fri Jul 29 12:22:02 2022
    Like factories that need actual people to produce, will the various transport,
    trade and service industries also become more robust? I mean those who keep the physical infrastructure running.

    I just came across a report where the WEF and UN are calling for a total ban
    on private vehicle ownership. If that takes place, and they actually do ban private ownership of all motorized vehicles, the transportation industries
    will be reduced to either one or a couple of companies that produce vehicles under government contract.

    Source: foxbusiness.com/economy/world-economic-forum-calls-reduce-private-vehicles-by-e
    liminating-ownership


    Like who would work remotely if their water, heat and sewage didn't work at home, and who is going to pickup the trash?

    I think allot of cities would turn into LA if manual labour was done away
    with. I think we would also see more of an uptick in people homesteading and providing their own septic, water, and food services should we do away with manual labour.

    Things are a changing!

    It is an interesting time to be alive for sure. There are plenty of the older generation, though most have died by this point, who have lived in conditions like what we are seeing now. For someone of my age, this is totally a totally new experience. The recession we are going through is going to be different from previous recessions and economic down turns.

    73
    debian
    KG7UJH

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  • From Greenlfc@700:100/71 to debian on Fri Jul 29 11:38:17 2022
    On 29 Jul 2022, debian said the following...

    I just came across a report where the WEF and UN are calling for a total ban on private vehicle ownership. If that takes place, and they actually do ban private ownership of all motorized vehicles, the transportation industries will be reduced to either one or a couple of companies that produce vehicles under government contract.

    Given they're trying to drive people into their "Smart Cities" where people can get all of their services in a walkable distance, this is not a surprise.

    It'll be interesting to see how they get people in rural areas to function without private vehicles. I'm about a 40 minute drive from the nearest major city, and there's no way to get there without a privately owned vehicle. Uber doesn't even come out here, and if they did it would probably be a $200 ride.

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to debian on Fri Jul 29 16:40:25 2022
    On 29 Jul 2022, debian said the following...

    Like factories that need actual people to produce, will the various transport,
    trade and service industries also become more robust? I mean those who k the physical infrastructure running.

    I just came across a report where the WEF and UN are calling for a total ban on private vehicle ownership. If that takes place, and they actually do ban private ownership of all motorized vehicles, the transportation industries will be reduced to either one or a couple of companies that produce vehicles under government contract.

    I do not belong to the WEF or UN, and basically these sorts of tabletop scenarios are unworkable.

    Could you imagine the wrath of a hobbled populace this would bring on towards anything that does move?

    I am taking this as a head fake - a decoy proposition - where something not so completely awful becomes more acceptable compared to this nonsense.

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to Greenlfc on Fri Jul 29 16:43:13 2022
    On 29 Jul 2022, Greenlfc said the following...

    On 29 Jul 2022, debian said the following...

    I just came across a report where the WEF and UN are calling for a to ban on private vehicle ownership. If that takes place, and they actua do ban private ownership of all motorized vehicles, the transportatio industries will be reduced to either one or a couple of companies tha produce vehicles under government contract.

    Given they're trying to drive people into their "Smart Cities" where people can get all of their services in a walkable distance, this is not
    a surprise.

    It'll be interesting to see how they get people in rural areas to
    function without private vehicles. I'm about a 40 minute drive from the nearest major city, and there's no way to get there without a privately owned vehicle. Uber doesn't even come out here, and if they did it
    would probably be a $200 ride.

    "Be prepared for self-rescue. Nobody is coming to save you."

    Smart Cities are Prisons for the Serfs.

    Cow country Uber, now that would be a losing proposition.

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  • From debian@700:100/69 to ALL on Sat Jul 30 22:26:20 2022
    I do not belong to the WEF or UN, and basically these sorts of tabletop scenarios are unworkable.

    The lockdowns during covid were also unworkable, yet enough people played in
    to the hoax and we had a major recession during that time.

    This to me also appears to be nothing more than a credible threat. The governmental agencies would loose their power over their people over night if they decided to ban private ownership of vehicles.

    Could you imagine the wrath of a hobbled populace this would bring on towards anything that does move?

    I don't think we have to look much farther than Denmark and Sri Lanka to see what would happen should the aforementioned groups make true on that threat.
    I genuinely hope we don't get to that point.

    That said, when people overthrow their government, with nothing to replace
    the regime with, communism can easily step in and pose as the saviour that restores peace and order.


    I am taking this as a head fake - a decoy proposition - where something not so
    completely awful becomes more acceptable compared to this nonsense.

    I am not too concerned about the WEF and UN actually doing this because it would have major blowback on them if they did. Thinking back on it, this isn't the first time they have made a threat like this regarding personal vehicles.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@700:100/20 to debian on Tue Nov 8 13:12:00 2022
    debian wrote to All <=-

    Now, on to the topic at hand. Reading a post from TechnologyDaily in
    the TQW_GENTECH area titled "Cost of living crisis driving workers
    towars hybrid working", confirms what I have been theorizing for a
    couple years now with regards to VR. In the "New World Order", you will
    be confined to your living quarters - your work will be done remotely
    from your location either via a computer terminal, or a VR station. Whether they actually attempt to implement this scenerio 100% remains
    to be seen, but we are seeing glimpses of it now.

    Forcing VR on remote employees has an interesting angle in keeping remote employees focused on work - requiring them to be in a virtual world away
    from home "distractions" sounds like a dystopian employer's dream.

    In this article, they state that data from slack shows that "70% of workers believe hybrid working [working remotely] has helped them deal with rising costs, as they now spend less on food and transportation to
    a physical office". If poeple keep this mentality, several industries
    are going to be heavily impacted. People won't be driving, flying, nor consuming as much. It goes with out saying that auto manufacturers, dealerships, airplane manufacturers, gas stations, and oil refineries
    (to name a few) will be decimated by this.

    Driving through Silicon Valley, the For Lease signs are everywhere. Cranes
    are busy erecting new buildings. There's going to be a real estate bubble bursting, this time it's going to be commercial.




    Also, with people working remotely, there will be no need for a
    physical office location. This will impact the realestate industry as businesses won't be purchasing nor renting office space since you can
    just work at home for a fraction of the cost.

    My speculation here is that we will may see realestate prices drop
    atleast in some areas for office buildings. I say this is speculation
    and "in some areas" because in places like New York, the prices have
    not dropped for office space. Louis Rossman has reported on this in several of his videos where office space has been on the market for
    years by this point, and the price has not dropped. Maybe the prices
    will drop once the realestate agents who own those office buildings
    come to the realization that they absolutely must sell, or get tenants
    in their buildings?

    "The study also found hybrid working has become such an integral part
    of most people's lives that two-thirds (66%) say they would likely
    start looking for a new job if their current employer stopped offering it". If that is actually true, expect rent prices to go up on office buildings. Expect for office realestate to be adversely impacted by
    this type of mentality.

    Also, These type of jobs that can function in a remote working
    environment aren't sustainable when there is an economic down turn. Companies that produce something that is physically consumable are typically better able to withstand an economic downturn. Food, water,
    and ammo are the types of products that see a huge increase in demand during economic downturns.

    As things continue to worsen economically, I believe that we will see
    the companies which produce the aforementioned of products find a
    foothold and become more profitable than any of these companies that employ a remote office strategy. I could be wrong, and I suspect that
    the media will hide the fact that these remote companies are failing,
    but I am no economist after all.

    It is always better to live in actual reality. "The way we work has changed, and we are never going back" says Chris Mills (Head of
    Custoemr Success at Slack). I strongly disagree with this. As things worsen, these remote are going to fold as they aren't producing any physical product (for the most part). Most of these companies are tech companies - mostly tech support and software development companies. Any company that produces a physical product has a factory somewhere that
    you have to drive to and work at.

    I am not convinced that we have the technology to run a factory that is completely automated. I work in a factory that produces food and if we were to convert to a completely automated environment, the factory
    would be dead in the water within 5 minutes. The amount, severity, and cause of jams very widely and I am not convinced that the automation exists to properly identify the jam (and the cause of it) and correct
    for it.

    I do not see a remote office being sustainable, especially during an economic downturn.

    Article I am referencing: https://www.techradar.com/news/cost-of-living-crisis-drives-workers-towa rds-hyb rid-working/

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