Hey everyone,

I wanted to get a conversation started where we discuss different ways
of creating a parallel economy by which we the people create our own local supply chain(s), especially in the event of an economic collapse.

The first thought that comes to my mind is farming. Growing food (first
enough for your family and yourself, then sell/barter/trade the rest) is a valuable skill to have when the food supply chain has been interrupted. Where
I live in south Idaho, there are plenty of farmers markets near by where people can buy, sell, and form communities. I think that growing food will be one of the most valuable skills to have and to share.

Now, I do understand that most people do not own vast acres of land, but if enough people start growing food in their backyards, then we would have an overabundance of food.

When it comes down to farm animals, many states will permit certain types of animals (especially in residential areas). Usually the animals that are permitted
are animals that do not make a lot of noise. Chickens are very easy to raise and will give you plenty of eggs and meat (at the end of their life). Most states have a limit of no more than 10 chickens and NO ROOSTERS! I believe
the more serious types of farm animals (cattle especially) require permits
from the state.

Services are another valuable skill to have. Can you repair a truck? That is
a skill you can advertise. Can you repair electronics? Even that is still a valuable skill. Neither of these will be in as high of demand as what farming will be, but it may be cheaper for you to repair something than to throw it out and buy something new.

Violent crime usually increases dramatically during hard economic times, and some people may want protection services.

There will be plenty of opprotunities that present themselves in the next several years. My specialty is repairing electronics, usually from the 90's earlier. I do not forsee electronics repair being as high of a demand as
food, water, shelter, guns, and ammo, but it is a service that I do provide.

Let me know your thoughts as well!

73,
KG7UJH

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Perhaps should have been "Food Independence?"

On 22 Jul 2022, debian said the following...

Hey everyone,

I wanted to get a conversation started where we discuss different ways
of creating a parallel economy by which we the people create our own
local supply chain(s), especially in the event of an economic collapse.

The first thought that comes to my mind is farming. Growing food (first

Your thoughts are in good company, and I'd suggest SurvivalBlog.com as a research starting point. You can buy a durable USB archive if you do not want to show an online prescence searching & studying.

A lot of detail becomes very local and specific. The people who run CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture programs, sort of food production cooperatives) often are very generous with coaching others. Some CSA will let you "work off" your share, which gives you first hand training as a bonus.

If the world goes upside down you will need a way to bridge until you have some production of your own. That doesn't apply if you are already established.

73

Steve
K9ZW

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On 22 Jul 2022, debian said the following...

Hey everyone,

I wanted to get a conversation started where we discuss different ways
of creating a parallel economy by which we the people create our own
local supply chain(s), especially in the event of an economic collapse.

Not a bad idea. I'm in MN so we all know the one thing that will die first and is so already is travel. So its unlikely We would be able to reach each other.

The problem also comes in that people that really don't know what to do will turn to crime. Not because they are bad people but because the just don't want to die. So transporting anything becomes super risky. The best be is getting a small group us super trusted friends to band together and go out in the woods. Also heading where it stays warm is also a good idea. Without easy access to energy being warm is better than freezing to death. The average person isn't able to chop enough wood the store for winter of even the fall.

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than freezing to death. The average person isn't able to chop enough
wood the store for winter of even the fall.

Dry wood that is not (too) dense is much easier to chop. That said, there is an opportunity there too! As people will need wood to burn to keep warm, chopping and selling wood locally (as well as growing the trees to produce the wood) would be a valuable business. It would be very expensive to start as you would need allot of acreage, water, sun, and time just to grow the trees.

Good clothing and good blankets will help to keep warm as well, all of which could be produced and sold at somewhat of a local level. You most likely will be sourcing your fabrics from other states or countries, especially if you live in an area where there isn't much cattle farming.

On the subject of crime - it is not illegal (yet) to manufacture your own ammo, nor is it terribly difficult, but be sure to do your research first! Some states may have lead and brass refineries, but you will most likely be purchasing those from out of state - including the gun powder and primers.

I argue that there is a limit on how localized economies can become. There comes a point where it is just more economical to purchase from out of state or from another country depending on the item. I don't expect every community in every state will be mining and refining all raw materials. States like Arizona will find it more difficult to grow food locally (atleast in the southern part - I would expect that Flagstaff could grow a wide variety of food without too much issue).

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It sounds good to me, but that is not surprising, since that is basically what classical anarchists see as the outcome of a post-capitalist system. That is what Kropotkin and Bakunin were aiming for. They envisioned societies where
we optimized personal liberty and democratized the means of the production [i.e. a rich person doesn't own the land or the factories, but it held in common trust, like the park or the public library].

Everyone not familiar with actual left thinks it is all Marxist-Leninist or "The Liberals" [who do fucking suck, but are not actually Left]. The former
was "communist" in the Paris Commune sense [not Marxist-Lenist, but rather
that people would mutually support and protect their communities and work together and factories and fields are community owned] and the latter
was vocally anti-Marxist, since he fundamentally disagreed with vanguardism
and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" since it was replacing one exploitative authority figure for another.

I am an anarcho-syndicalist, which basically puts me more in line with your coal miner, union-backing great-grandfather than any M-L or Democrat.
Organize and protected labor and the exploited, remove all non-consentual government and hierarchies. Although I lean mostly syndicalist, because I am not under any illusion that any revolution is eminent (except some that
support actual fascists, unfortunately).

A lot of people in the BBS space lean "libertarian" but I think modern libertarianism is a campaign designed by the capitalist class for sensible, freedom loving people to ignore exploitation and oppression and support capitalism, on the promise they will get more personal freedom we only don't have because of them.

Seriously, read The Conquest of Bread. It's over a century old and what he calls "communism" isn't what we would call communism, but anarchist collectivism.

The powers that be thrive on reactionary politics but suppress ideos that can actually lead to human liberty.

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