So maybe I'm the only one here, but I wonder what Putin wants to accomplish with his wars against Ukraine. Seriously though, he's razing the place to the ground. If he wanted to get the fertile land then why would he raze it? Russia had promised that if they transfer all of their nuclear weapons to Russia then Russia will never invade Ukraine. They were given the word of Russia that this thing that is happening right now will never happen.

Was Russia frightened by the power of the Ukrainian government and people? Surely not. Those two countries were also very different in military capability, one a world power armed to the teeth, the other a simple peace loving country that didn't attack anybody nor having a significant armed forces.

SVR agents are pushing the idea that the Ukrainian government, since way back in the day until now, are deeply corrupt. They seem to be in an echo chamber, believing the Russian lie. They are fervently aggressive in countering the arguments that Western people bring to the conversation. Seriously though they are particularly venomous against Ukraine even though their countries are brothers one to the other. These folks are forcefully eager in defending the Russian position. It is rather wild to hear of. One person actually said that Putin was a far better Christian than anything in The West.

Granted the above statement can't be properly sourced, since identities are not given, but this is how it is.

So what does Putin want?

He wants power, recognition, land, and Russia to be the world leader and back in the position of super power. He may have the ability to do these things that he seeks after. He doesn't simply want to be "a" world power, but "the" world power.

Do you know what he wants? What he really wants? Please let me know.

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SVR agents are pushing the idea that the Ukrainian government, since way back in the day until now, are deeply corrupt. They seem to be in an
echo chamber, believing the Russian lie. They are fervently aggressive

It's corrupt to fire a prosecutor at the whim of a foriegn vice president, like Viktor Yushchenko for Joe Biden when the prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden.

It's also corrupt for the current president (Zelensky) to take so much money from the American people, especially for expenses that aren't even war related like the pensions of retired Ukrainian citizens.

Vladimir Putin accused Zelensky of running a bio weapons lab. That was the original reason for the invasion that he gave. The media shut down the idea, and called it "propaganda," but then a couple years later an eye witness confirmed Putin's suspicion.

Somebody sure is playing around with bio weapons. That irritates me a lot more than a moderately damaged apartment building does.

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On 17 Mar 2024, warmfuzzy said the following...

So maybe I'm the only one here, but I wonder what Putin wants to accomplish with his wars against Ukraine. Seriously though, he's razing the place to the ground. If he wanted to get the fertile land then why would he raze it? Russia had promised that if they transfer all of
their nuclear weapons to Russia then Russia will never invade Ukraine.

Is Putin really acting unilaterally?

Or have our three-letter agencies pushed the Russian's buttons too many times and too hard?

It is quite clear that under Icky Vicky (Nuland) the west overthrew the government of the Ukraine to install a government that was more acceptable to the Western countries and international bankers.

It wasn't the Russsians, rather it was the West, that put dozens of secret bases, listening posts, biolabs in the Ukraine, many up against the Russian border.

The intertwined nature of "Russia" and "Ukraine" is old. Kiev Ukraine was even once the capital of the "Russia" in the day.

Domestically Putin is the lead wolf among a wolfpack of the ruthless. First among apex preditors. Any western style politician would have not survived the world he has mastered.

I've never met Putin nor wish to be considered an apologist for him, but if in his shoes would any of us act much differently?

BTW reports from people on the ground in Russia are favorable - the people are living their lives pretty well, sanctions haven't unravelled their world, and life goes on.

Again from me this is repeating what I have learned, as I have not been there. My first trip was canceled due to the outbreak of the war.

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Hello k9zw!

BTW reports from people on the ground in Russia are favorable
- the people are living their lives pretty well, sanctions
haven't unravelled their world, and life goes on.

Where are you hearing this? Russia is a big country to cover.
Surely, different regions have different struggles.
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k9zw wrote to warmfuzzy <=-

On 17 Mar 2024, warmfuzzy said the following...

So maybe I'm the only one here, but I wonder what Putin wants to accomplish with his wars against Ukraine. Seriously though, he's razing the place to the ground. If he wanted to get the fertile land then why would he raze it? Russia had promised that if they transfer all of
their nuclear weapons to Russia then Russia will never invade Ukraine.

Is Putin really acting unilaterally?

Or have our three-letter agencies pushed the Russian's buttons too many times and too hard?

I saw an interesting essay on Putin - if you're thinking Cold War
military strategy, the current borders provide a wide path for tanks to
roll into Russia. Turning the map 90 degrees makes it clearer.
Occupying the border states narrows the gap.

If he's still thinking "Tank War Europa", it does sort of make sense.




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On 18 Mar 2024, Ogg said the following...

Hello k9zw!

BTW reports from people on the ground in Russia are favorable
- the people are living their lives pretty well, sanctions
haven't unravelled their world, and life goes on.

Where are you hearing this? Russia is a big country to cover.
Surely, different regions have different struggles.

Absolutley Ogg

My sources included lengthy writeups/works recently my Sundance and Carlson, personal reports from Europeans who had recently been, and from Russian-Americans (yes they exist!) who have one foot on each side, often with property/holdings in Russia itself.

I wouldn't consider the aggregate information definitive, but as they all indenpently tell accounts different than the Main Stream Media accounts, I would say they cast doubt on the information pushed our way by that MSM and IC (Intelligence Community).

Remember Ogg that in the end "people are people, with people goals" so often the man in the street finds a way to conduct normal lives regardless of circumstances.

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Is Putin really acting unilaterally?

Or have our three-letter agencies pushed the Russian's buttons too many times and too hard?

It is quite clear that under Icky Vicky (Nuland) the west overthrew the government of the Ukraine to install a government that was more
acceptable to the Western countries and international bankers.

That's the name that I couldn't remember. Vicky Nuland is the one who claims that Ukraine has a bio weapons lab. I give her credit for that at least. I'm glad somebody had the guts (or audacity) to tell us about it.

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