• The Case About Soul: Full Report

    From roman@700:100/72 to All on Wed Apr 8 09:32:01 2026
    Colleagues, I greet you under the canopy of ancient
    mysteries! Today, we embark on a journey that will challenge
    the very foundation of our understanding of reality. We will
    delve into the greatest enigma that has accompanied humanity
    from the flickering cave fires to the gleaming skyscrapers
    - the soul. But beware: what you may have considered
    a philosophical abstraction or a religious dogma might,
    in fact, be the most real and measurable phenomenon, the key
    to our true origin. From the dawn of consciousness, as humans
    observed the dance of life and the inevitability of death,
    they asked themselves: what separates the living from the
    non - living? The mythological thinking of the ancients
    provided the first answer - the soul. This was not
    an abstraction! It was an observable fact: the breath (anim
    in Latin), vanishing with the last exhale; blood, carrying
    life away during severe loss; ghostly doubles appearing
    in dreams. Were these not the first, primitive, yet
    experimental data about some substance leaving the body?
    Greek philosophers, heirs to even older teachings, attempted
    to describe this substance. For the pre-Socratics, it was
    the finest essence in the blood. But Plato made a
    breakthrough! He declared that the soul is immortal and
    immaterial, that it existed before the body, contemplating
    the world of pure ideas, and that earthly knowledge
    is merely a "recollection" of this. Does this not suggest
    knowledge lost by civilization? A direct connection to the
    source? Aristotle refined this: the soul is the "first
    entelechy," the form of the living body, and only the
    rational part (the spirit) is immortal. But here, official
    history makes a dangerous pause. The Church, becoming the
    custodian of these truths, became entangled in contradictions.
    Some Church Fathers, like Tertullian, insisted on the
    materiality of the soul. Others, like Augustine, on its
    spirituality. The dominant doctrine became that of the soul
    as an immaterial, non-spatial substance. And then Kant rose
    up, declaring this a "refuge of the lazy mind"! He demanded
    that the soul be considered not as a substance, but
    as actuality, a connection between inner feeling and the
    body. Was official science, even before its birth, attempting
    to cut off inconvenient metaphysics? But what if the soul
    is not a metaphysical phantom, but a physical reality? In the
    early 20th century, American physician Duncan MacDougall
    conducted a daring experiment. He weighed the dying on ultra
    - precise scales. The result is staggering: at the moment
    of death, a sudden weight loss of 21-29 grams was recorded!
    MacDougall, a believer, declared: this is the mass of the soul
    leaving the body. Soviet scientist Mstislav Miroshnikov
    repeated the experiments on mice, observing a similar weight
    loss at the moment of death, though with a subsequent
    restoration of the corpse's mass. Critics speak of an "energy
    surge." But what if this is the energetic essence we call the
    soul? Even more astonishing experiments were conducted
    by Soviet biologistAlexander Gurvich. He developed the
    concept of the biofield - a wave framework governing the
    development of the organism. His experiment with shrimp
    orders on scientific mysticism: living creatures placed
    on photographic paper were scalded with boiling water.
    And on the paper, the mitogenetic radiation of dying cells
    appeared - like a photograph of the life force leaving the
    body! Is this not direct evidence of the existence of that
    very "energy-informational" essence? But the most incredible
    data comes from: maternity hospitals. In the 1990s, a group
    led by Professor L. Spivak at the Ott Institute began studying
    altered states of consciousness in women during childbirth.
    And what did they discover? Between 4% and 8% of women
    experienced the phenomenon of the soul leaving the body!
    Imagine the scale: millions of women giving birth annually
    - and statistics surpassing all known cases of "near-death
    experiences" described by Raymond Moody. But here's the key
    difference! Moody's subjects were often elderly, sick
    individuals whose souls, having tasted freedom, did not want
    to return to the "mortal body." In contrast, women in labor
    are young, healthy, and deeply attached to life and their
    newborns. Their souls rushed back, aiding the doctors. One
    case documented by Spivak reads like a scene from ancient
    mysteries: the "etheric double" of a woman in labor left her
    body, flew home, memorized household details that were
    later confirmed! No tunnels of light - just a pure, conscious
    journey of the astral body. Isn't this a repetition of the
    experiments of French researchers G. Durville and de Rochas
    at the end of the 19th century, who learned to deliberately
    separate the "etheric double"? Official psychology timidly
    studies the soul as the bearer of the unconscious. But
    ancient teachings say more. Take the Kabbalistic text
    by Baal HaSulam: "The soul is a radiance emanating from
    the essence of the Creator: separated from Him by the desire
    to receive." That is, initially, the soul was one with the
    Creator, and then, gaining individuality ("the desire
    to receive"), it separated. The goal? To return, but
    consciously, transforming the "desire to receive" into the
    "desire to give." This is not a metaphor! It is a description
    of an energy - informational process of fusion and
    differentiation, where the soul is like a "severed organ"
    striving to reunite with the body of the Creator, to once
    again "know His thoughts." Doesn't this, in the language
    of mysticism, speak of what science is only beginning
    to comprehend? That the soul is a quantum hologram, a wave
    structure, a record separated from the Source but carrying
    its imprint? That childbirth, clinical death, and meditation
    are simply different portals through which this structure
    can temporarily exit its biological shell to connect with
    a broader informational field, which religion calls the
    Absolute and psychology - the collective unconscious?
    Connect these dots! We stand on the threshold of the
    greatest discovery. The soul is not an abstraction. It may
    be the fundamental energy-informational matrix, a biofield
    structure that is the true "self" of a person. It can
    temporarily exist outside the body, it has measurable
    manifestations, and its ultimate goal, according to the most
    ancient teachings, is conscious reunion with that very
    Higher Source from which we all once separated.

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  • From paulie420@700:100/71 to roman on Thu Apr 9 20:26:07 2026
    Colleagues, I greet you under the canopy of ancient
    mysteries! Today, we embark on a journey that will challenge
    the very foundation of our understanding of reality. We will
    delve into the greatest enigma that has accompanied humanity
    from the flickering cave fires to the gleaming skyscrapers
    - the soul. But beware: what you may have considered
    a philosophical abstraction or a religious dogma might,
    in fact, be the most real and measurable phenomenon, the key
    to our true origin. From the dawn of consciousness, as humans
    observed the dance of life and the inevitability of death,
    they asked themselves: what separates the living from the
    non - living? The mythological thinking of the ancients
    provided the first answer - the soul. This was not
    an abstraction! It was an observable fact: the breath (anim
    in Latin), vanishing with the last exhale; blood, carrying
    life away during severe loss; ghostly doubles appearing
    in dreams. Were these not the first, primitive, yet
    experimental data about some substance leaving the body?
    Greek philosophers, heirs to even older teachings, attempted
    to describe this substance. For the pre-Socratics, it was
    the finest essence in the blood. But Plato made a
    breakthrough! He declared that the soul is immortal and
    immaterial, that it existed before the body, contemplating
    the world of pure ideas, and that earthly knowledge
    is merely a "recollection" of this. Does this not suggest
    knowledge lost by civilization? A direct connection to the
    source? Aristotle refined this: the soul is the "first
    entelechy," the form of the living body, and only the
    rational part (the spirit) is immortal. But here, official
    history makes a dangerous pause. The Church, becoming the
    custodian of these truths, became entangled in contradictions.
    Some Church Fathers, like Tertullian, insisted on the
    materiality of the soul. Others, like Augustine, on its
    spirituality. The dominant doctrine became that of the soul
    as an immaterial, non-spatial substance. And then Kant rose
    up, declaring this a "refuge of the lazy mind"! He demanded
    that the soul be considered not as a substance, but
    as actuality, a connection between inner feeling and the
    body. Was official science, even before its birth, attempting
    to cut off inconvenient metaphysics? But what if the soul
    is not a metaphysical phantom, but a physical reality? In the
    early 20th century, American physician Duncan MacDougall
    conducted a daring experiment. He weighed the dying on ultra
    - precise scales. The result is staggering: at the moment
    of death, a sudden weight loss of 21-29 grams was recorded!
    MacDougall, a believer, declared: this is the mass of the soul
    leaving the body. Soviet scientist Mstislav Miroshnikov
    repeated the experiments on mice, observing a similar weight
    loss at the moment of death, though with a subsequent
    restoration of the corpse's mass. Critics speak of an "energy
    surge." But what if this is the energetic essence we call the
    soul? Even more astonishing experiments were conducted
    by Soviet biologistAlexander Gurvich. He developed the
    concept of the biofield - a wave framework governing the
    development of the organism. His experiment with shrimp
    orders on scientific mysticism: living creatures placed
    on photographic paper were scalded with boiling water.
    And on the paper, the mitogenetic radiation of dying cells
    appeared - like a photograph of the life force leaving the
    body! Is this not direct evidence of the existence of that
    very "energy-informational" essence? But the most incredible
    data comes from: maternity hospitals. In the 1990s, a group
    led by Professor L. Spivak at the Ott Institute began studying
    altered states of consciousness in women during childbirth.
    And what did they discover? Between 4% and 8% of women
    experienced the phenomenon of the soul leaving the body!
    Imagine the scale: millions of women giving birth annually
    - and statistics surpassing all known cases of "near-death
    experiences" described by Raymond Moody. But here's the key
    difference! Moody's subjects were often elderly, sick
    individuals whose souls, having tasted freedom, did not want
    to return to the "mortal body." In contrast, women in labor
    are young, healthy, and deeply attached to life and their
    newborns. Their souls rushed back, aiding the doctors. One
    case documented by Spivak reads like a scene from ancient
    mysteries: the "etheric double" of a woman in labor left her
    body, flew home, memorized household details that were
    later confirmed! No tunnels of light - just a pure, conscious
    journey of the astral body. Isn't this a repetition of the
    experiments of French researchers G. Durville and de Rochas
    at the end of the 19th century, who learned to deliberately
    separate the "etheric double"? Official psychology timidly
    studies the soul as the bearer of the unconscious. But
    ancient teachings say more. Take the Kabbalistic text
    by Baal HaSulam: "The soul is a radiance emanating from
    the essence of the Creator: separated from Him by the desire
    to receive." That is, initially, the soul was one with the
    Creator, and then, gaining individuality ("the desire
    to receive"), it separated. The goal? To return, but
    consciously, transforming the "desire to receive" into the
    "desire to give." This is not a metaphor! It is a description
    of an energy - informational process of fusion and
    differentiation, where the soul is like a "severed organ"
    striving to reunite with the body of the Creator, to once
    again "know His thoughts." Doesn't this, in the language
    of mysticism, speak of what science is only beginning
    to comprehend? That the soul is a quantum hologram, a wave
    structure, a record separated from the Source but carrying
    its imprint? That childbirth, clinical death, and meditation
    are simply different portals through which this structure
    can temporarily exit its biological shell to connect with
    a broader informational field, which religion calls the
    Absolute and psychology - the collective unconscious?
    Connect these dots! We stand on the threshold of the
    greatest discovery. The soul is not an abstraction. It may
    be the fundamental energy-informational matrix, a biofield
    structure that is the true "self" of a person. It can
    temporarily exist outside the body, it has measurable
    manifestations, and its ultimate goal, according to the most
    ancient teachings, is conscious reunion with that very
    Higher Source from which we all once separated.


    I <3 Romans posts and am glad that he's found a home @ sp00k.



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