• new world order?

    From Darkman Almighty@700:100/71 to All on Sat Feb 15 17:45:19 2025
    I read an article recently that suggested that Trump's mission was some sort of new world order. However, how I see it, seems more like a disorder here. The guy is causing so much upset with Canadian neighbors and soon the international community. I'm pretty sure there's no super power motive behind other than the abuse of power.

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  • From dingo@700:100/9 to Darkman Almighty on Sun Feb 16 08:56:05 2025

    On Saturday, February 15th Darkman Almighty muttered...
    I read an article recently that suggested that Trump's mission was some sort of new world order. However, how I see it, seems more like a disorder here.

    Causing financial ruin and disruption to everyone and everything as a whole, even if it causes everybody to equally become less wealthy, by devaluing the dollar to 10% of its previous purchasing power, for example, creates more poverty, thereby making the rich more powerful.

    A 500 billionare's net worth devalued to 50 billion is much more powerful in a world where a common person's 200k net worth is devalued to 20k. It means more failed small businesses, it means we can pay more money for decreasing choices. For example, closing rural USPS means you will want to buy from Amazon through their "free shipping" prime membership rather than pay $25 carrier shipping from anyone else, as one example. We become beholden to the powerful and wealthy corporations, they "help us save money" during these times. Our remaining available spending power is shifted towards fewer people.

    It's worth looking at the great depression, how some wealthy people survived it by being conservative with their finances, while those with risky investments lost it all. It's also worth looking into the causes of the great depression and the lesser 2008 and others, and the regulations and policies that were created to mitigate them in the future.

    It seems the very policies (financial deregulation) that cuased financial ruin in the past are presently being re-enacted, and, the very regulatory bodies created to prevent them (CFPB etc) are being dismantled.

    So it just seems to me that we are headed towards an economic depression not because of any specific circumstance, but by design. Several families -- The Rockefeller, Mellon, Ford, and Kennedy families, for example, became even *more* powerful and wealthy because of the great depression. They had the Liquidity and diversification of portfolio to wait it out, and, when conditions return to normal, the reserves to rebuild new business during a time when their detractors are financially ruined and unable to fairly compete.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#Dark_enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#Dark_Enlightenment

    If I weren't personally affected, I would think this is pretty cool, that an old Cult of the Dead Cow internet zine author would become the philosophical engine driving a US Presidency to destroy the economy. These wikipedia articles aren't doing a very good job of describing it but it's a start if you haven't heard of either of them before.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@700:100/20 to dingo on Sun Feb 16 10:48:04 2025
    dingo wrote to Darkman Almighty <=-


    On Saturday, February 15th Darkman Almighty muttered...
    I read an article recently that suggested that Trump's mission was some sort of new world order. However, how I see it, seems more like a
    disorder here.

    Causing financial ruin and disruption to everyone and everything as a whole, even if it causes everybody to equally become less wealthy, by devaluing the dollar to 10% of its previous purchasing power, for
    example, creates more poverty, thereby making the rich more powerful.

    Break it down and become their savior.

    There have been some fringe movements in San Francisco - check out thenetworkstate.com and an interesting article at https://www.thenerdreich.com/balaji-srinivasans-gray-vision-for-san-francisco/

    That describes quite a faustian future, where "grays" (tech-funded
    control the city at the expense of "blues" (traditional democrats) by partnering with the police and controlling access to "gray" parts of San Francisco.

    Eventually, because of ideological differences, talking of secession.

    The colors and the language seem to be intended to be reminiscent of the
    civil war, with tech-worship idolatry thrown in.





    A 500 billionare's net worth devalued to 50 billion is much more
    powerful in a world where a common person's 200k net worth is devalued
    to 20k. It means more failed small businesses, it means we can pay more money for decreasing choices. For example, closing rural USPS means you will want to buy from Amazon through their "free shipping" prime membership rather than pay $25 carrier shipping from anyone else, as
    one example. We become beholden to the powerful and wealthy
    corporations, they "help us save money" during these times. Our
    remaining available spending power is shifted towards fewer people.

    It's worth looking at the great depression, how some wealthy people survived it by being conservative with their finances, while those with risky investments lost it all. It's also worth looking into the causes
    of the great depression and the lesser 2008 and others, and the regulations and policies that were created to mitigate them in the
    future.

    It seems the very policies (financial deregulation) that cuased
    financial ruin in the past are presently being re-enacted, and, the
    very regulatory bodies created to prevent them (CFPB etc) are being dismantled.

    So it just seems to me that we are headed towards an economic
    depression not because of any specific circumstance, but by design. Several families -- The Rockefeller, Mellon, Ford, and Kennedy
    families, for example, became even *more* powerful and wealthy because
    of the great depression. They had the Liquidity and diversification of portfolio to wait it out, and, when conditions return to normal, the reserves to rebuild new business during a time when their detractors
    are financially ruined and unable to fairly compete.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism#Dark_enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin#Dark_Enlightenment

    If I weren't personally affected, I would think this is pretty cool,
    that an old Cult of the Dead Cow internet zine author would become the philosophical engine driving a US Presidency to destroy the economy.
    These wikipedia articles aren't doing a very good job of describing it
    but it's a start if you haven't heard of either of them before.




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  • From dingo@700:100/9 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 17 13:15:36 2025

    On Sunday, February 16th poindexter FORTRAN said...
    On Saturday, February 15th Darkman Almighty muttered...
    There have been some fringe movements in San Francisco - check out thenetworkstate.com and an interesting article at https://www.thenerdreich.com/balaji-srinivasans-gray-vision-for-san-franci
    sco/

    That describes quite a faustian future, where "grays" (tech-funded control the city at the expense of "blues" (traditional democrats) by partnering with the police and controlling access to "gray" parts of San Francisco.

    Very nice, thanks for sharing.

    It's definitely happening and been happening for a while, there is a systematic "sweep" of the city, pushing drugs and crime to a specific area where it is ignored, it kills the price of all nearby properties, venture firms pick it up at 10% of its value, the police come in and strictly enforce crime in the area as it is redeveloped, focused on high-value tech worker areas and they resell/rent out and 10x its value, well documented by Channel 5 in their video "Philly Streets" https://youtu.be/925wmb-4Yr4?t=2306

    I didn't know about Balaji Srinivasan, there are a lot of tech CEO's, especially from the paypal mafia, that are shaping our politics with their piles of meme and cryptocash. It runs deep, Hawk Tuah may even be involved lol


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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to Darkman Almighty on Wed Feb 19 14:31:56 2025
    On 15 Feb 2025, Darkman Almighty said the following...

    I read an article recently that suggested that Trump's mission was some sort of new world order. However, how I see it, seems more like a
    disorder here. The guy is causing so much upset with Canadian neighbors and soon the international community. I'm pretty sure there's no super power motive behind other than the abuse of power.

    It is the media calling the Canadians "Snow Mexicans" isn't it?

    Really interesting times.

    A whole lot oa reality-checking going on, that is pretty uncomfortable to those who crave the status quo.

    Exposed mountains of "monetary irregularities" is so cool.

    Interesting times for sure.

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to dingo on Wed Feb 19 14:37:39 2025
    On 16 Feb 2025, dingo said the following...

    Causing financial ruin and disruption to everyone and everything as a whole, even if it causes everybody to equally become less wealthy, by devaluing the dollar to 10% of its previous purchasing power, for
    example, creates more poverty, thereby making the rich more powerful.

    Wake up - this stuff has been going on for a very long time.

    Currency debasement destablized the Roman Empire.... and you can play with residual value calculators (they call them inflation calculators) on the interweb to figure out what a unit of currency in years x is worth now.

    This big drop didn't happen in the last 30 days dude, rather have been the game all along.

    --
    Hedging for currency unit value loss is a lot of why certain commodities and most property are high sought after.

    I would argue that the knowledge and learning each of us has is decoupled from inflationary pressures, though it may go stale in other ways.

    Interesting times!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@700:100/20 to k9zw on Thu Feb 20 07:43:32 2025
    k9zw wrote to Darkman Almighty <=-

    On 15 Feb 2025, Darkman Almighty said the following...

    I read an article recently that suggested that Trump's mission was some sort of new world order. However, how I see it, seems more like a
    disorder here. The guy is causing so much upset with Canadian neighbors and soon the international community. I'm pretty sure there's no super power motive behind other than the abuse of power.

    It is the media calling the Canadians "Snow Mexicans" isn't it?

    We need a generation of independent, skeptical journalists. My daughter
    did a stint doing investigative reporting in middle school, and it
    inspired her. I hope she follows through with it.

    She did a report on their school's dress code. She approached it
    initially being against the code, but I reminded her that her job as a
    journalist was to report both sides, let the reader see both sides of
    the argument and make up their own mind. She couldn't convince either
    side, but maybe enlighten them to a perspective they didn't see before.

    She really enjoyed the exercise, even interviewed the principal to get
    her take on it. Got an A, too.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@700:100/20 to k9zw on Thu Feb 20 07:43:32 2025
    k9zw wrote to dingo <=-

    This big drop didn't happen in the last 30 days dude, rather have been
    the game all along.

    Since, let's see, 1971? Gotta pay for those wars somehow.

    Hedging for currency unit value loss is a lot of why certain
    commodities and most property are high sought after.

    It's interesting seeing the rise in precious metals compared against the devaluation of currency. When you realize gold isn't increasing in value
    over time, but the value of money is decreasing - and, when adjusted for inflation, the exchange rate is roughly the same, it's eye-opening.







    I would argue that the knowledge and learning each of us has is
    decoupled from inflationary pressures, though it may go stale in other ways.

    Interesting times!

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 24 07:24:36 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    We need a generation of independent, skeptical journalists. My daughter
    did a stint doing investigative reporting in middle school, and it
    inspired her. I hope she follows through with it.

    There are a multitude of parallel careers also worthy of her eventual consideration.

    Word of caution that some of them shut doors to other opportunties, so they must be considered and taken with both eyes open.

    Sounds like you are raising a very bright youngster there!

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  • From k9zw@700:100/69 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 24 07:33:47 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    It's interesting seeing the rise in precious metals compared against the devaluation of currency. When you realize gold isn't increasing in value over time, but the value of money is decreasing - and, when adjusted for inflation, the exchange rate is roughly the same, it's eye-opening.

    If you want to flumox an economist, ask them about what is the true unit for wealth?

    Then ask them how do you measure it, and what do they do to nurture their accumulated wealth?

    Then ask other economists the same questions.

    --

    What we are observing in precious metal pricing is complex.

    Some factors are:

    State level demand increases
    Inflation and production cost increases
    Individual interest
    Restraints on alternative stores of wealth
    Sustained industrial demand
    ... there are more

    Interesting area to observe and study.

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