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    Contents: 18 pages of information released to CUFON by Congressman Steve Schiff's (R-NM) office, followed by a Washington Post article and some notes.
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    First District, New Mexico PLEASE REPLY TO:
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    Congress of the United States
    House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20515-3101


    The Honorable Les Aspin
    Secretary of Defense
    The Pentagon
    Washington, DC 20301-1000

    Dear Mr. Secretary:

    Last fall I became aware of a strange series of events
    beginning in New Mexico over 45 years ago and involving personnel
    of what was then the Army Air Force. I have since reviewed the
    facts in some detail, and I am writing to request your assistance
    in arriving at a definitive explanation of what transpired and
    why.

    In brief, according to contemporary newspaper, wire service,
    national radio newscast, and numerous eyewitness accounts, on or
    about July 3, 1947, rancher William W. (Mac) Brazel found a large
    amount of unusual debris on property he managed northwest of
    Roswell, New Mexico, near the town of Corona. He brought his
    find to the attention of Chaves County Sheriff George Wilcox, who
    then contacted the Roswell Army Air Field, home of the 509th Bomb
    Group (Atomic) commanded by Colonel William H. Blanchard (Who
    later became vice chief of staff of the Air Force). According to
    testimony of the group intelligence officer, Major Jesse A.
    Marcel, he and the Counter Intelligence Corps officer in charge
    at the field, Captain Sheridan, W. Cavitt, then accompanied Mr.
    Brazel to the discovery site.

    Marcel testified that he and Cavitt found an area measuring
    about three-quarters of a mile long by 200 to 300 feet wide
    densely strewn with large amount of extremely lightweight,
    extremely strong materials neither could identify. Samples of
    these materials were flown to Eighth Air Force Headquarters in
    Fort Worth, Texas.

    On July 8, a press release announcing the find was issued by
    Colonel Blanchard's public information officer. This produced
    such a high level of press interest that, according to the
    Associated Press and a SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER front-page story of
    July 9, 1947, Army Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff Hoyt S.
    Vandenberg personally handled media enquiries at the Pentagon.

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    A few hours later, Eighth Air Force Commanding General Roger
    M. Ramey told reporters in Fort Worth that what had been found in
    New Mexico were the initially misidentified remains of a weather
    balloon and its Rawin radar target. Recently, in written and
    videotaped depositions, Brigadier General Thomas J. DuBose,
    USAF(ret.), General Ramey's chief of staff at the time of the
    incident, testified that the balloon explanation was a cover
    story.

    Similarly documented testimony given by a number of still
    living and seemingly credible witnesses suggests that, in
    addition to the cover story, Federal authorities sought to
    intimidate witnesses and their families into silence. Those
    alleged to have been subjected to such intimidation include
    Brazel; his son Bill, who says that, more than two years later,
    military authorities confiscated bits of debris he had found and
    told him not to talk about the incident; Sheriff Wilcox and his
    wife Inez; Glen Dennis, a Roswell mortician who provided contract
    services to Roswell AAF; and the co-owners of Roswell radio
    station KGFL, one of whom has stated that he was told their
    broadcast license would be revoked if KGFL aired an interview
    with Brazel.

    It is my understanding that, to date, all inquiries to the
    Executive Branch have resulted in denials of any knowledge or
    record of this incident. Yet it is clear that something was
    recovered by the Army Air Force (see the enclosed), and if
    testimony of apparently honest witnesses is taken at face value,
    it seems likely to have been something other than a weather
    balloon and its radar target. Likewise, it is claimed that
    authorities took extraordinary measures on the matter, measures
    that would seem to have been unnecessary in connection with a
    routine balloon retrieval.

    The inconsistency between repeated official denials and the
    public record and testimony of those involved has led to a great
    deal of sensational speculation and called into question the
    credibility of the Departments of Defense, Army, and the Air
    Force. Moreover, the lives of several of my fellow New Mexicans
    and their families have been and continue to be disrupted as a
    result of the incident. I believe a full and honest review and
    reporting of the facts of the case would serve the interests of
    both the United States Government and affected citizens, and help
    put the matter to rest once and for all.

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    Therefore, Mr. Secretary, I respectfully request that you
    direct such a review be undertaken on a priority basis and that a representative or representatives of the Department of Defense
    and the responsible Military Departments promptly arrange to
    brief and provide me with a written report providing a current,
    complete, and detailed description and explanation of both the
    nature of what was recovered and all official actions taken on
    the matter. I have asked Mary Martinek, my Legislative Director,
    to coordinate all activities concerning this request, and she can
    address any questions your staff may have.

    Thank you, Mr. Secretary, for your assistance and
    cooperation.

    Sincerely.

    /s/
    Steven Schiff

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    cc: The Honorable Joe Skeen

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    Transcript: Roswell Daily Record; July 9, 1947

    Harassed Rancher who Located 'Saucer' Sorry he Told About It

    W. W. Brazel, 48, Lincoln county rancher living 30 miles south east of Corona, today told his story of finding what the army at first described as a flying disk. but the publicity which attended his find caused him to add that if he ever found anything else short of a bomb he sure wasn't going to say anything about it.

    Brazel was brought here late yesterday by W.E. Whitmore of radio station KGFL, had his picture taken and gave an interview to the Record and Jason Kellahin, sent here from the Albuquerque bureau of the Associated Press to cover the story. The picture he posed for was sent out over AP telephoto wire sending machine specially set up in the Record office by R. D. Adair, AP wire chief dent her from Albuquerque for the sole purpose of getting out his picture and that of sheriff George Wilcox, to whom, Brazel originally gave the information of his find.

    Brazel related that on June 14 he and an 8-year old son, Vernon, were about 7 or 8 miles from the ranch house on the J. B. Foster ranch, which he operates, when they came upon a large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.

    At the time Brazel was in a hurry to get his rounds made and he did not pay much attention to it. But he did remark about what he had seen and on July 4, he, his wife, Vernon and a daughter Betty, age 14, went back to the spot and gathered up quite a bit of the debris.

    The next day he first heard about the flying disks, and he wondered if what he had found might be the remnants of one of these.

    Monday he came into town to sell some wool and while here he went to see sheriff George Wilcox and "whispered kinda confidential like" that he might have found a flying disk.

    Wilcox got in touch with the Roswell Army Air Field and Maj, Jesse Marcel and
    a man in plain clothes accompanied him home, where they picked up the rest of the pieces of the "disk" and went to his home to try to reconstruct it.

    According to Brazel the simply could not reconstruct it at all. They tried to make a kite out of it, but could not do that and could not find any way to put it back together so that it would fit.

    The Major Marcel brought it to Roswell and that was the last he heard of it until the story broke that he had found a flying disk.

    Brazel said that did not see it fall from the sky and did not see it before it was torn up, so he did not know the size or shape it might have been, but he thought it might have been about as large as a table top. The balloon which held it up, if that was how it worked, must have been about twelve feet long, he felt, measuring the distance by the size of the room in which he sat. The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards in diameter.

    When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick, while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 8 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds.

    There was no sign of any metal in the area which might have been used for an engine and no sign of any propellers of any kind, although at least one paper fin had been glued on to some of the tinfoil.

    There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there
    were letters on some of the parts. Considerable scotch tape and some tape
    with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.

    No strings or wires were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used.

    Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these.

    "I am not sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon," he said. "But if I find anything else besides a bomb they are going to have a hard time getting me to say anything about it."

    [N.B.: Transcribed verbatim from unreproducable original newspaper story.]

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    Roswell Daily Record; July 8, 1947

    RAAF Captures Flying Saucer
    On Ranch in Roswell Region

    No Details of Flying Disk Are Revealed

    Roswell Hardware Man and Wife Report Disk Seen

    The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Air Field announced at noon today that the field had come into possession of a flying saucer.

    According to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer, the disk was recovered on a ranch in the Roswell vicinity. After an unidentified rancher had notified sheriff george Wilcox, here, that he had found the instrument on his premises.

    Major Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and
    recovered the disk, it was stated.

    After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument, it was flown to "higher headquarters."

    The intelligence officer stated that no details of the saucer's construction or its appearance had been revealed.

    Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot apparently were the only persons in Roswell who have seen what they thought was a flying disk.

    They were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten minutes before ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed.

    Wilmot called Mrs. Wilmot's attention to it and both ran down into the yard to watch. It was in sight less than a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds,
    Wilmot estimated.

    Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 to 500 miles per hour.

    In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers faced mouth to mouth, or like two xxx type washbowls placed together in the same fashion. The entire body glowed as though light were showing through from inside,
    though not like it would be if a light were underneath.

    From where he stood, Wilmot said that the object looked to be about 5 feet
    in size, and making allowance for the distance it was from the town he figured that it must have been 15 or 20 feet in diameter, though this was just a
    guess.

    Wilmot said that he heard no sound but that Mrs. Wilmot said she heard a swishing sound for a very short time.

    The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six-mile hill.

    Wilmot, who is one of the most respected and reliable citizens in town, kept the story to himself hoping that someone else would come out and tell about having seen one, but finally today decided that he would go ahead and tell about seeing it. The announcement that the RAAF was in possession of one came only a few minutes after he had decided to release the details of what he had seen.

    =========================================================================== Complete text of July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Air Field press release announcing Army Air Force recovery of a "flying disk" in New Mexico, as published in he San Francisco Chronicle, July 9, 1947 (page 1).

    San Francisco Chronicle
    The City's Only Home-Owned Newspaper
    FOUNDED 1865 - CLXIV, NO. 175 CCCCAAA SAN FRANCISCO, WEDNESDAY, JULY 9, 1947

    ROSWELL STATEMENT

    Here is the unqualified statement issued by the Roswell Army Base public relations officer:
    "The many rumors regarding the flying disk became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eight Air Force,
    Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the co-operation of one of the local ranchers and the Sheriff's Office of Chaves county.
    "The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the Sheriff's office, who in turn notified Major Jesse A. Marcel, of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence office.
    "Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."

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    MORE FLYING DISC (DXR53)
    -O-

    THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE REPORTS THAT IT GAINED POSSESSION OF THE
    "DIS:" THROUGH THE CO-OPERATION OF A ROSWELL RANCHER AND SHERIFF
    GEORGE WILSON OF ROSWELL.
    THE DISC LANDED ON A RANCH NEAR ROSWELL SOMETIME LAST WEEK. NOT
    HAVING PHONE FACILITIES, THE RANCHER, WHOSE NAME HAS NOT YET BEEN
    OBTAINED, STORED THE DISC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE WAS ABLE TO
    CONTACT THE ROSWELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
    THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN TURN NOTIFIED A MAJOR OF THE 509TH
    INTELLIGENCE OFFICE.
    ACTION WAS IMMEDIATELY TAKEN AND THE DISC WAS PICKED UP AT THE
    RANCHER'S HOME AND TAKEN TO THE ROSWELL AIR BASE. FOLLOWING
    EXAMINATION, THE DISC WAS FLOWN BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN A SUPER-
    FORTRESS TO AN UNDISCLOSED "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
    RESIDENTS NEAR THE RANCH ON WHICH THE DISC WAS FOUND REPORTED
    SEEING A STRANGE BLUE LIGHT SEVERAL DAYS AGO ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN
    THE MORNING.
    J241P 7/8

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    FRR
    DID ARMY CALL IT A "FLYING DISC" OR WHAT?
    DXR

    NAJ DXR
    FYI, ROSWELL REPORTS TT MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL, INTELLIGENCE
    OFFICER FOR 509TH BOMBER GROUP AT ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE, IS IN FORT WORTH
    TEX., AT 8TH ARMY HDQUARTERS, "IF HE HANT ALREADY STARTED BACK FOR
    ROWELL." SUGG U GET DA IN ON FASTEST. TT MITE BE WHERE DISC
    WAS FLOWN.
    FRR V7/8


    FRR
    DA ALREADY ALERTED. HOW RE ARMY TERMINOLOGY---"FLYING DISC" OR
    WHAT PLS?
    DXR


    DXR
    OUR S5&4 CALLED IT "FLYING DISC." WE UNABLE GET QUOTES FROM
    -4.6 OURSELVES -S 635. WE AFTER IT FASTEST. S5&4 SAID "FLYING DISCS."
    FRR V7/8..

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    [Teletype message from FBI Dallas office to FBI Cincinnati office, July 8, 1947, regarding the Roswell crash, the weather balloon story, and a special flight to Wright Field.]

    FBI DALLAS 7-8-47 6-17 PM
    DIRECTOR AND SAC, CINCINNATI
    FLYING DISC, INFORMATION CONCERNING. MAJOR CURTAN, HEADQUARTERS
    EIGHTH AIR FORCE, TELEPHONICALLY ADVISED THIS OFFICE THAT AN OBJECT
    PURPORTING TO BE A FLYING DISC WAS RE COVERED NEAR ROSWELL, NEW
    MEXICO, THIS DATE. THE DISC IS HEXAGONAL IN SHAPE AND WAS SUSPENDED
    FROM A BALLOON BY CABLE, WHICH BALLOON WAS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY
    FEET IN DIAMETER. MAJOR CURTAN FURTHER ADVISED THAT THE OBJECT
    FOUND RESEMBLES A HIGH ALTITUDE WEATHER BALLOON WITH A RADAR
    REFLECTOR, BUT THAT TELEPHONIC CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEIR OFFICE
    AND WRIGHT FIELD HAD NOT BORNE OUT THIS BELIEF. DISC AND
    BALLOON BEING TRANSPORTED TO WRIGHT FIELD BY SPECIAL PLANE FOR EXAMINATION INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS OFFICE BECAUSE OF NATIONAL INTEREST IN CASE
    XXXX AND FACT THAT NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, ASSOCIATED PRESS, AND
    OTHERS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK STORY OF LOCATION OF DISC TODAY. MAJOR
    CURTAN ADVISED WOULD REQUEST WRIGHT FIELD TO ADVISE CINCINNATI
    OFFICE RESULTS OF EXAMINATION. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING
    CONDUCTED.


    END

    CXXXX ACK IN ORDER
    1
    WA 92 FBI CI MJW

    BPI HS

    S-3E PM 0

    C-22 PH OM FBI WASH DC

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    [Transcript: Roswell Daily Record; July 9, 1947]

    Ramey Says Disk is Weather Balloon

    Fort Worth, Texas, July 9 (AP)-An examination by the Army revealed last night that mysterious object found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was a harmless high- altitude weather balloon-not a grounded flying saucer.

    Excitement was high until Brig. Gen. Roger M. Ramey, commander of the Eighth air forces with headquarters here cleared up the mystery.

    The bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams and rubber remnants of a balloon were sent up here yesterday by army air transport in the wake of reports that it
    was a flying disk.

    But the General said the objects were the crushed remains of ray wind [sic] target used to determine the direction and velocity of winds at high
    altitudes.

    Warrant Officer Irving Newton, forecaster at the army air forces weather station here said, "we use them because they go much higher than the eye can see."

    The weather balloon was found several days ago near the center of New Mexico
    by Rancher W. W. Brazel. He said he didn't think much about it until he went into Corona, N.M., last Saturday and heard the flying disk reports.

    He returned to his ranch, 85 miles northwest of Roswell, and recovered the wreckage of the balloon, which he had placed under some brush.

    Then Brazel hurried back to Roswell, where he reported his find to the sheriff's office.

    The sheriff called the Roswell air field and Maj. Jesse A. Marcel, 509th bomb group intelligence officer, was assigned to the case.

    Col. William H. Blanchard, commanding officer of the bomb group, reported the find to General Ramey and the object was flown immediately to the army air field here.

    Ramey went on the air here last night to announce the New Mexico discovery was not a flying disk.

    Newton said that when rigged up, the instrument "looks like a six-pointed
    star, is silvery in appearance and rises in the air like a kite."

    In Roswell, the discovery set off a flurry of excitement. Sheriff Wilcox's telephone lines were jammed. Three calls came from England, one of them from The London Daily Mail, he said.

    A public relations officer here said the balloon was in his office "and it'll probably stay right there."

    Newton, who made the examination, said some 80 weather stations in the U.S. were using that type of balloon and it could have come from any of them.

    He said he had sent up identical balloons during the invasion of Okinawa to determine ballistics information for heavy guns.

    [N.B.: Transcribed verbatim from unreproducable original newspaper story.]

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    OFFICE OF THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
    WASHINGTON, DC 20301-1300

    March 31, 1993
    LEGISLATIVE In reply refer to:
    AFFAIRS OSD # 78897

    Honorable Steven Schiff
    House of Representatives
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Mr. Schiff:

    I have received your letter of March 11, requesting information on
    alleged events which occurred in Roswell, New Mexico.

    In order to be of service to you, i have referred this matter to
    the national Archives and Records Administration for direct reply to
    you.

    If I can be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to
    let me know.

    Sincerely,

    /s/

    Larry G Shockley, Col, USAF
    Director, Plans and Operations

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    First District, New Mexico PLEASE REPLY TO:
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    Task Force on Crime
    Chairman

    Congress of the United States
    House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20515-3101

    MEMORANDUM

    April 7, 1993

    TO: Rudy deLeon
    Special Assistant
    Office of the Secretary of Defense

    FROM: Mary Martinek
    Legislative Director

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    Pursuant to our telephone conversation, I an faxing to your
    attention a copy of the March 11th letter, with its attachments,
    which Congressman Schiff directed to Secretary Aspin.

    I enclose also, for your information, a copy of the
    acknowledgement received this date over the signature of Colonel
    Shockley.

    I appreciate your willingness to review the Congressman's request
    and look forward to the oral and written briefing he requested in
    his letter.

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    OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
    WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301


    THE SPECIAL ASSISTANT
    April 20, 1993

    The Honorable Steve Schiff
    U.S. House of Representatives
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Mr. Schiff:

    This is in regard to your recent letter to Secretary Aspin regarding alleged events which occurred in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. I, too, find these unexplained occurrences of great interest; however, these records are
    too old to be available here at the Pentagon.

    I would, therefore, recommend that you contact the National Archives for additional information as I believe Colonel Shockley has already done on your behalf.

    I regret that my response in not more favorable, but I trust you will find this information helpful.

    Sincerely,

    /s/

    Rudy de Leon

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    First District, New Mexico PLEASE REPLY TO:
    Washington Office
    Committees
    1009 Longworth Building
    Science, Space and Technology Washington, DC 20515-3101
    Judiciary (202) 225-6316

    Standards of Official Conduct ---------
    District Office
    Government Operations 625 Silver Avenue SW
    Suite 140 Subcommittee on Human Relations and Silver Square
    Intergovernmental Relations Albuquerque, NM 87102
    Ranking Member (505) 766-2538

    Republican Research Committee
    Task Force on Crime
    Chairman

    Congress of the United States
    House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20515-3101
    May 10, 1993


    The Honorable Les Aspin
    Secretary
    Department of Defense
    Room 3e966
    The Pentagon
    Washington, DC 20301

    Dear Mr. Secretary:

    I am in receipt of two letters from members of your staff
    replying to my march 11, 1993, request for a personal briefing
    and a written report on a 1947 incident in New Mexico involving
    personnel of what was then the Army Air Force. Copies of my
    request with its attachments and your staff's replies are
    enclosed for your information.

    I realize that, after almost 46 years, it is a virtual
    certainty that all or most of the records concerning this incident
    have been archived. However, my staff and several independent
    investigators have conclusively established they are not in any
    of the unclassified, including previously classified, holdings of
    the National Archives. Moreover, it is my understanding that it
    is highly unlikely they reside in any of the classified files in
    the custody of the Archives.

    Given the above, it seems virtually certain the documents
    relating to this matter are located in the holdings under the
    jurisdiction of the Department of Defense or one or both of the
    relevant Military Departments. Just two examples of likely
    locations are the U.S. Army Intelligence Records Center at Fort
    Meade, Maryland, and Headquarters, U.S. Air Force Off ice of
    Special Investigations, Bolling Air Force Base, Washington, D.C.

    Wherever the documents may be, what is at issue is my
    request for a personal briefing and a written report on a matter
    involving actions taken by officials of the U.S. Army and U.S.
    Air Force, agencies under your purview.

    I realize the research required to uncover the relevant
    documents and related materials will take time and considerable
    effort, and I am prepared to wait a reasonable amount of time for
    this to be accomplished. However I expect the job to be done and

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    my request to be addressed as set forth in the penultimate
    paragraph of my March letter.

    Mw legislative Director, Mary Martinek, is coordinating all
    activities on the inquiry, and she can provide assistance or
    address any questions you and your staff may have.

    Mr. Secretary. I deeply appreciate your help on this matter
    and look forward to its timely resolution.

    Sincerely,

    /s/
    Steven Schiff

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    Enclosures (3)
    cc: The Honorable Joe Skeen

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    National Archives Washington, DC 20408

    May 20 1993

    The Honorable Steve Schiff
    House of Representatives
    Washington, D.C. 20515-3101

    Dear Mr. Schiff:

    This is in reply to your letter of March 11, 1993, concerning
    information about a UFO sighting at Roswell, new Mexico, in 1947.
    The Department of the Air Force forwarded your letter, and we
    received it on May 6, 1993.

    The U.S. Air Force has retired to our custody its records on
    Project BLUE BOOK relating to the investigations of unidentified
    flying objects. Project BLUE BOOK has been declassified and the
    records are available for examination in our research room. The
    project closed in 1969 and we have no information after that
    date.

    We have received numerous requests concerning records relating to
    the Roswell incident among these records. We have not located
    any documentation relating to this event in Project BLUE BOOK
    records, or in any other pertinent Defense Department records in
    our custody.

    Sincerely,

    /s/

    R. MICHAEL MCREYNOLDS
    Director
    Textual Reference Division

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    First District, New Mexico PLEASE REPLY TO:
    Washington Office
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    Standards of Official Conduct ---------
    District Office
    Government Operations 625 Silver Avenue SW
    Suite 140 Subcommittee on Human Relations and Silver Square
    Intergovernmental Relations Albuquerque, NM 87102
    Ranking Member (505) 766-2538

    Republican Research Committee
    Task Force on Crime
    Chairman

    Congress of the United States
    House of Representatives
    Washington, DC 20515-3101
    May 10, 1993


    The Honorable Les Aspin
    Secretary
    Department of Defense
    Room 3e966
    The Pentagon
    Washington, DC 20301

    Dear Mr. Secretary:

    I am writing to you, again, to request an answer to my
    letter to you of May 10th. I enclose a copy of the letter, and
    previous correspondence on the same issue, for your information.

    While I realize that the Department of Defense, and you, Mr.
    Secretary, have been very busy in areas throughout the world,
    while also concerned with proposed changes in policy within the
    Department, I must insist on the courtesy of a reply to my
    letter, which is now three months old.

    _To reiterate, while I am prepared to wait a reasonable_
    _length of time for the briefing I requested, I do insist that the_
    _Department do the research on my inquiry and report the findings_
    _to me._

    I also must insist on having my letters to the Department of
    Defense acknowledged and acted upon. I look forward to your
    response to my letters, and to the scheduled briefing. I will
    expect a reply to this inquiry by September 7th.

    Sincerely,

    /s/
    Steven Schiff

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    Enclosure: As stated

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    End of 18 pages of information released to CUFON by Congressman Schiff's
    office.
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    =========================================================================== Washington Post 1/14/94

    GAO Turns To Alien Turf In New Probe

    By William Claiborne
    Washington Post Staff Writer

    Where television's "Unsolved Mysteries" has tried and failed, the
    General Accounting Office is unafraid to venture.
    At the request of Rep. Steven Schiff (R-N.M.), Congress's
    investigative branch has launched a study to determine whether the
    government covered up a story alleging that the bodies of alien space
    voyagers were removed from a crashed flying saucer found near Roswell,
    N.M., in 1947.
    After the purported crash of the spacecraft, the bodies of the extraterrestrial visitors were said by a local undertaker and other
    conspiracy theorists to have been autopsied and secretly flown to an
    Air Force base in Ohio.
    Even though the "Roswell Incident" has been repeatedly dismissed by
    the Defense Department as nothing more than UFO fantasizing triggered
    by the discovery of a downed weather balloon, the GAO has begun
    searching for documents to prove allegations that the Air Force
    "suppressed" information sought by Schiff.
    Schiff is a member of the House Government Operations Committee,
    which oversees the GAO.
    GAO spokeswoman Laura A. Kopelson said the office's investigation,
    first reported in the Albuquerque Journal yesterday, stemmed from a
    meeting in October between Schiff and GAO Controller General Charles A
    Bowsher. Schiff complained then that the Defense Department had been "unresponsive" to his inquiries about the 1947 incident.
    Kopelson said "as far as I know only one investigator had been
    assigned" to the case, and that not enough work had been done to report
    any results to Schiff. At another point, Kopelson said "the people
    doing it are either on sick leave or are unavailable."
    She said there was no way of estimating how much the investigation
    would cost, and that the GAO does not release such information anyway.
    GAO conducted 1,380 inquiries into government operations in 1992.
    Its budget has risen from $46.9 million in 1965 to $490 million last
    year. The agency has been criticized, especially by Republicans, as the
    "lap dog of the requesters," producing reports that tend to support
    whatever conclusion the requesting member of Congress suggests.
    Kopelson said Schiff had asked the GAO "to see if there is any
    evidence that information regarding UFOs had been suppressed" following
    the Roswell incident.
    Schiff, however, said that at a routine October meeting he had
    merely complained about the Defense Department's lack of responsiveness
    but a GAO official said, "We're willing to take a stab at it."
    Schiff, in a telephone interview from Albuquerque, said that last
    March, after receiving inquiries from "UFO believers" and some Roswell residents who were in the military in 1947, he wrote Defense Secretary
    Les Aspin asking for more information about the reported spacecraft
    crash and the alleged disappearance of the aliens' bodies.
    The crash of a mysterous object 75 miles northwest of Roswell, which
    the Air Force later claimed was a weather balloon equipped with a radar-reflecting device, was the subject of several books and remains
    many UFO buffs' greatest riddle.
    A privately owned museum in Roswell contains a number of documents
    and photographs purporting to prove existence of the aliens. It also
    displays a re-creation of the spacecraft surrounded by figures
    portraying the dead extraterrestrials.
    UFO buffs contend the incident marked the beginning of a government conspiracy to suppress evidence of alien life.
    Much of the speculation stems from claims by William Haut, a former
    Air Force public affairs officer, who said that on July 2, 1947, he was
    told to prepare a news release reporting the Air Force had recovered
    parts of a flying saucer and then was told to change the story to
    report a weather balloon.
    Also, a nurse reportedly told a local funeral home director that she witnessed the autopsies of the spacemen, whom she described as having
    oversized heads and beetle-like features. The nurse subsequently died
    in a plane crash.
    After the autopsies, conspiracy theorists said the bodies were flown
    to Fort Worth and then to what is now Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
    in Ohio.
    In 1989, NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" investigated the controversy,
    which the program's host, Robert Stack, concluded remained unsolved.
    Schiff said after calling Aspin last March to request a Defense
    Department briefing on the Roswell incident, he received a call from an
    Air Force lieutenant colonel, who brusquely told him the documents had
    been turned over to the National Archives.
    However, Schiff said, Archives officials told him they did not have
    the records on Roswell, even though they did have records of "Project
    Blue Book," a 1969 Air Force study of reported UFO sightings. That
    study, Schiff said, did not deal with the Roswell case.
    "I was getting pretty upset at all the running around," Schiff said,
    adding that at his meeting with GAO officials, "they made an offer to
    help."
    "Generally, I'm a skeptic on UFOs and alien beings, but there are indications from the runaround that I got that whatever it was, it
    wasn't a balloon. Apparently, it's another government coverup," Schiff
    said.
    He called the Defense Department's lack of response "astounding,"
    and said government accountability was an issue "even larger than
    UFOs."
    Asked if the GAO might not be extending itself, Schiff acknowledged
    that the agency "usually does fiscal investigations and at present I
    can't find a fiscal impact" in the Roswell incident.
    Had the agency said, " `This is beyond our realm of expertise,' "
    Schiff said, "I wouldn't insist on it." He added, "If the Defense
    Department had been responsive, it wouldn't have come to this."

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    CUFON is aware that this story was widely reported. Among the items of
    which we are aware are:

    January 14, 1994 Los Angeles television Fox 11 news/reporter David Garcia interviewed New Mexico congressman Steve Schiff. Congressman Schiff stated that this incident, like the radiation tests in the 40's should be brought forth and dealt honestly with the American people.

    Another LA TV station ran a short interview with Frank Joyce, at the time a radio personality in Roswell, now retired living in Albuquerque. He described his initial involvement, how he heard from Mac Brazel and how he suggested Brazel call the Army Air Field, and how he later got the press release and everyone's reaction to it.

    Radio stations in Albuquerque report that Congressman Steve Schiff is and has been looking into the Roswell incident. According to the report, he's angry that the Department of Defense stonewalled him. In response, Schiff has gone to what the report called "the investigative arm of Congress: the General Accounting Office," and requested an investigation into whether there was a cover-up in 1947, what was covered up, and why it's still being kept secret.

    An AP wire article also dealt with the Roswell story.

    CBS radio aired news that a congressman from New Mexico (Steve Schiff),
    because of some letters from his constituents, is requesting that the General Accounting Office investigate the Roswell Incident.

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