• INFO. ON FOO-FIGHTERS WW II UFOs, ETC. FILE: UFO2207

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    Foo Fighters and the Kugleblitz
    by
    Al Pinto
    taken from ParaNet
    additional material by Vangard

    We, because of the infinitesimal size of the Universe, can
    quite easily say that the probability of the Earth being the only
    planet inhabited by intelligent beings is not logical. However,
    while there is research going on today in order to prove the
    existence of extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) by listening in
    on the radio waves of space, I wonder; have we been contacted
    already? Is there something in the UFO phenomenon that proves
    the existence of extraterrestrials? Let's look at the facts.

    Thousands of people from all around the world report the
    sightings of strange aerial phenomenon every year. It has been
    going on for many years, but not as much as from 1947 to present.
    Due to the fact that so many people have seen objects in the sky
    that they can't identify, we could at least admit that there is
    sufficient reason to believe that UFO's exist. We can't
    scientifically prove their existence just based on that fact but
    we can't ignore it either. So our next logical step would be to
    get more data.

    Is the origin of all UFO's extraterrestrial? Is there a
    possibiliy that at least some may come from Earth and Earth
    technology? The answer to that question is yes, some are Earth
    originated. People can easily mistake a plane or helicopter
    flying at night as a UFO and have already. Some even thought that
    Venus was one. However, while most UFO's could be explained,
    there are an astonishing number of reports that cannot. They
    include reports from people such as police chiefs, scientists,
    pilots, and most interestingly, astronauts. There is plenty of
    information publically available that is reputable about details
    of their encounters.

    Our next step should be to concentrate on these unexplainable
    sightings. Out of these, is it still possible that the objects
    could come from Earth? Dr. Renato Vesco thought so. In his book
    "Intercept UFO," he writes about his experience and information
    with Nazi Germany. I am going to include a paper written by him
    but first let me tell you his credentials.

    Renato Vesco is a fully liscensed aircraft engineer and a
    specialist in aerospace and ramjet developements. He attended
    the University of Rome and, before WWII, studied at the German
    Institute for Aerial Developement. During the war, Vesco worked
    with the Germans at the Fiat Lake Garda secret installations in
    Italy. In the 1960's, he worked for the Italian Air Ministry of
    Defense as an undercover technical agent, investigating the UFO
    mystery.

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    He writes:

    "On November 27, 1944, a B-27 of the United States Air Force,
    returning from a raid on Speyer, West Germany, encountered a
    huge, orange colored light moving upward at an estimated speed
    of 500 MPH. When the pilots reported, sector radar had
    reported negatively, because nothing had registered on the
    screen.

    But the object seen by the returning bomber was only the first of
    numerous others spotted by American pilots over wartime Germany
    and promptly baptized 'foo-fighters.'

    Fighter pilots Falls and Backer, of the 415th Squadron,
    reported such an encounter a month later forcing the Air Force to
    admit that such objects might exist. Later encounters with foo
    fighters led experts to assume they were German inventions of a
    new order employed to baffle radar.

    How close they came to the truth, they learned only when the
    war was over and Allied Intelligence teams moved into the secret
    Nazi plants. The foo-fighters seen by American pilots were only a
    minor demonstration, a fraction of a vast variety of methods used
    to confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents.

    Work on the German anti-radar Feurball, or fireball, had been
    speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe experimental
    center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical
    establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were
    produced. Later, when the Russians moved closer to Austria, the
    workshops producing the fireballs were moved to the Black Forest.

    Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with
    klystron tubes operating on the same frequency as Allied radar,
    which could eliminate the blips from radar screens. This allowed
    them to remain practically invisible to ground control.

    The Nazi Feurball failed to interfere with the Allied air
    offensive. The foo fighters had been launched too late and could
    no longer change the course of events, but in themselves they were
    significant not only because they were the outcome of a technical
    evolution which could have led to more dangerous weapons, but also
    because they showed that Nazi technology had moved in a direction
    far beyond anything expected by Allied Intelligence.

    As the fall of Germany approached, the Nazi Leaders reverted
    to an ambitious project created by Gauleiter Franz Hofer who had
    become high commissioner for the Italian Tyrol and the Southern
    Alps. The project foresaw setting up an incredible fortress in
    the mountains, including parts of Italy, Austria and Bavaria.

    Hofer submitted his plan to Hitler's aide, Martin Bormann in
    November 1944, having prepared for this moment back in 1938 when
    Nazi agents carefully mapped all mountain passes, caves, bridges,
    highways, and located sights for underground factories, munitions
    dumps, arms and food caches. To complete work on this fortress,
    Hofer demanded a slave labor force of a quarter of a million, to
    be composed of 70% Austrian workers and 30% men of the Tyrolese
    home guard.


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    So-called U-Plants were to be set up underground as gigantic
    workshops and launching pads for the secret weapons which were to
    turn the tide of the war in favor of the Nazis.

    Among these were some 74 tunnels along Lake Garda, in
    Northern Italy, which were to be adapted and transformed into a
    vast assembly plant by FIAT of Turin in close collaboration with
    the department of Minister Albert Speer. Seven other tunnels
    along Lake Garda, near Limone, were to produce several weapons
    tested at the Hermann Goering Institute of Riva del Garda.

    According to the archives of the German High Command and of
    the Allied Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, other
    plants in vital areas of Central Germany, code named M-Werke, were
    to produce powerful missles such as the giant A.9/A.10 destined to
    destroy New York and Washington. But most important was the
    Alpine area, for it was from there that the supreme weapons were
    to come.

    This report, never released by the Allies, was made by a
    French diplomat. It was forwarded to Free French Intelligence
    Headquarters at Algiers. The top secret report reffered to the
    blue clouds as something approaching anti-aircraft projectiles
    based on the grisou (fire damp) gas found in mines, and which had
    been succesfully tried against other bombers over Lake Garda.

    The French report was intercepted by Italian agents and
    deciphered at SID (Italian Counter-Intelligence) Headquarters at
    Castiglione della Stiviere. The message was later captured by a
    military intelligence team operating for the eighth Army in Italy.

    The contents of the message was no novelty to the Allies.
    Already, some time ago, shortly after the bombing of Dresden,
    British and American intelligence had obtained a brief account
    concerning the use of some such weapon used against a group of
    twelve American bombers.

    That message, which came from an agent in Switzerland
    attached to Allen Dulle's team, also stated the attacker had been

    "a strange hemispherical object which flew at fantastic speeds
    and destroyed the bombers without using firearms.'

    Then, after the German surrender in May, 1945, a team of
    British agents, investigating the files of some of the underground
    factories in the Black Forest, discovered that a large number of
    documents concerned 'important experiments made with LIQUID OXYGEN
    for new turbine engines capable of developing extraordinary
    power.'

    Other documents described the use of 'gaseous explosives'
    which had been originally tested in Austria in 1936. Their
    existence was later confirmed by the ALSOS Mission and by Dr. Hans
    Friedrich Gold, of the Laboratory for Aeronautical Research at
    Volkenrode. The ejection of gas explosives had been part of the
    program tackled by researchers on Lake Garda and later tested with
    success by the circular flying object against Allied bombers. This
    object, in German military files, already had an operational name:
    'Round Lightning' (Kugelblitz).


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    Long and close observation between the special Air Research
    Corps of the SS, Austrian research centers in Vienna, the Hermann
    Goering Works and the vast complex of underground G-Works had
    previously produced amazing improvement on the fireball or foo-
    fighter which, despite it's anti-radar effectiveness, remained
    comparatively harmless. But by combining the principle of the
    aircraft with a round, symmetrical plane with direct gyroscopic
    stabilization, employing an ejector-gun using grisou and a
    gelatinous organic/mettalic fuel for a total reaction turbine,
    adding remote control, vehicle take off, infrared seeking
    equipment and electrostatic firing systems, the harmless fireball
    became the lethal Kugelblitz!

    Believe me, I can prove what I say (Vesco). The Kugelblitz,
    to be on the safe side, employed, in addition to it's
    electrostatic firing system, a similar system based on short waves
    and built by the Patent Verwertungs Gesselschaft of Salzburg,
    Austria. The whole thing formed one compact, round mass which had
    absolutely nothing in common with any flying object ever produced
    before.

    In documents found by British Intelligence teams and
    submitted to the British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee -
    documents which I have been able to study - these and many other
    details are known. They can be found in the Sub-Committee's
    Final Report Number 61 on the 'Weapons Section of the L.F.A.,
    Volkenrode.'

    Kugelblitz, together with it's "younger brothers of the
    fireball, lens-shaped bomb and other weapons, began the real
    history of the UFO's. In itself, it was a second generation
    fireball.

    The 'round lightning' weapon, the incredibly fast and
    mysterious disk-shaped craft that had been rumored and sighted in
    action, was used only once. As the Allied forces crossed the
    Rhine, the only craft of it's type was destroyed by the SS on
    instructions from Berlin, to prevent it's capture. But ever
    since, due to the severe censorship imposed by 'T' force of the
    British Army in Germany, and later, thanks to the complete
    blackout imposed by London, nothing more was heard of "Round
    Lightning."

    I know that agents of the 'T' force camp at Bad Gandersheim
    closely examined the documents found in the G-Works, documents
    which had been elaborated by the technical general staff of the SS
    and by technical control of the Henshel and Zeppelin works. These
    documents concern the propulsion unit of the Kugelblitz prototype
    built by the Kreislaufbetrieb Motor D.W. in 1943 for the F.F.K.F.
    (Forschungsinstitut for Kraftfhart and Fahzeugmotoren) at
    Stuttgart-Untertuerkheim and perfected by Professors Kamm and
    Ernst.

    The British called this motor an 'oxygen recycle system.' It
    was later abandoned in favor of the Walter turbine, powered by
    hydrogen peroxide. The documents found discussed the possibility
    of using both systems in a compound-type propulsion unit.

    To these basic facts, I must add: A mass of documents and
    equipment were taken by British 'T' teams to Bedford and then to
    Canada and Australia.
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    In a certain sense, the British were more intelligent than
    the Americans, for they permitted German scientists to complete
    their work in Germany on the sight where they had worked all
    through the war - only, of course, under close supervision. This
    happened at Darmstadt and Goettingen.

    Later on, these installations were dismantled and shipped to
    Britain. The Transport Service of the British Ministry of
    Aviation discreetly shipped the scientists and documents to
    Britain, Canada and Australia, in successive phases. Lists of
    the scientists to be sent overseas had been compiled in the spring
    of 1944 by the B.I.O.S. and formed separate and specialized
    teams.

    One such team, composed of Proffessor Ben Lockspeiser and
    W.J. Richards, Dr. S.H . Hollingdale and C aptain A.D. Green,
    handled 'advanced projects, missles, jet and turbine craft.'
    Another, including T.A. Taylor and M.A. Wheeler, investigated
    German advances in the field of Thermo-refraction. Another team,
    which obtained the services of Dr. Ernst Westermann, former
    director of the F.D.R.P. Institutes of Speyer and Saarbrucken,
    concentrated on the fireball projects.

    The then Ministry of Aircraft Production, similar to the
    German wartime Jaegerstab, ceased to exist officially on March 31,
    1946, and became part of the Ministry of Supply.

    In the years that followed, these teams, and especially the
    experts headed by Professor Lockspeiser, worked on a multitude of
    German projects, adapting these to their own experiments in the
    field of 'suction' wings and on the work of two German scientists
    during the war, Professors Prandtl and Busemann, to develop a high
    speed fighter in which the air intake along the wings was
    discharged through a half-moon-shaped crescent along the fuselage
    in order to both drive and support the vehicle at high speeds.

    This research comes to mind when one remembers the incident
    of January 3, 1956. A Cessna, employed on a job of aerial
    photography near Pasadena, encountered three circular flying
    objects which circled it at a speed of 1600 mph and at a distance
    of two miles. One of these objects, in suddenly breaking away
    from the formation, gave off a long, vaporous trail as it sped
    through a cumulous cloud, cutting the cloud in two. 'Exactly as
    if it had sucked up the cloud., ' the Cessna pilot exclaimed
    later.

    Back in 1946, the British Broadcasting Corporation announced
    that Britain 'would soon have aircraft capable of speeds well over
    1000 mph, that, according to some experts, such craft had already
    been built and that, in the near future, they could circumnavigate
    the globe several times because they needed only fuel for take off
    and landing..'

    Other British sources mentioned aircraft capable of speeds of
    several thousand miles an hour.

    More than twenty years have passed since the otherwise so-
    eminently-careful BBC boasted of 'Britain's planes of the future,'
    and officially these aircraft still remain little more than a
    dream. And yet, did not Ben Lockspeiser, the man who was in

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    charge of the most responsible 'T' teams, declare that 'such craft
    would need no fuel?' Did he not imply that such craft would gain
    their own propellant from the atmosphere by suction and expulsion?

    On June 26, 1953, an intensely luminous flying object
    majestically crossed the night sky of Albacete, Spain, at an
    altitude of 60 miles.

    In Britain, scientific papers produced by members of the 'T'
    teams showed suggestive titles such as 'Boundary Layer Flow Over a
    Permeable Surface Through Which Suction is Applied' (J.H.
    Preston), 'The Aerodynamics of Porous Sheets' by G.J. Taylor, and
    Pankhurst's Aerofoil Catalogue.

    In 1959, aeronautical engineer N.S. Currey wrote: 'Canada
    today must be counted among the most advanced aeronautical powers
    in the world', and added cautiously, 'This refers above all to the
    field of jet propulsion.'

    The Canadian Department of Mines and the Technical Surveys
    Mapping Branch reserved a vast area - 125,000 square miles - for
    production of experimental aircraft. This was one of the
    decisions reached by the committees of the Commonwealth Conference
    on Aeronautical Research. This desolate, heavily woooded and
    mountainous region between British Columbia and Alberta, with the
    Peace River district as it's Northern frontier and Washington
    State to the South, was an ideal location - few and easily
    controlled roads, few settlements, few railroads, but good
    communications in the north and the south via the trunk line from
    Prince George to Edmonton and that from Vancouver to the United
    States border, and only one major highway, to Alaska.

    Britain already had considerable wartime experiance in this
    sort of enterprise. In 1942, at the height of the German raids,
    the RAF had set up five secret airports in the very heart of the
    New Forest, in Hampshire.

    The big thing about these installations was the fact that
    they included complete industrial plants, decentralizing major
    groups essential for war production. They were called 'shade
    workshops.' The Germans, too, had much experience in this field.
    One of their major plants at Volkenrode resisted all attempts at
    aerial identification throughout the war.

    Neither the British nor the Americans, on an official level,
    saw eye to eye in scientific matters at the close of the war
    against Germany and afterward.

    The United States' refusal to share atomic secrets with
    Britain was never quite forgotten in Whitehall, and Britain set
    out to prove, with Canada, that she was well able to produce her
    own fission bomb. If Congress steadfastly accused the British of
    giving little or nothing in return for information, the British
    felt they had been mistrusted and severely neglected. They
    preferred to go ahead with their plans in Canada.

    The fact that the area has been photographed again and again
    by high altitude reconnaissance planes, both U.S. and Russian,
    does not perturb the Canadian or British authorities. The plants
    and saucer ports are underground, hidden in primeval forests of
    Columbia.
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    The question immediately arises: Why have not Britain and
    Canada made such craft available to their other partners in the
    North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

    I (Vesco) believe there may be many answers to such a
    question, but one of the main points is this: Lack of confidence
    and fear of being exploited remain rife among the nations, as they
    are among people. And why should not Britain and her Commonwealth
    partner retain one major trump card which, one day, may become
    invaluable? The pooling of scientific secrets is rarely entirely
    sincere.

    All the evidence, all the knowhow of British scientists
    before and during the last war, combined with the astounding
    progress in propulsion and the discoveries in suction aircraft of
    the Germans, based on 18 years of research into the most secret
    documents of the past war, have convinced me of one thing :

    The flying saucers do not come from space.
    They come from a few hundred miles outside the United States.
    They mean no harm, and Washington knows this.
    Hence the long standing order to all U.S. Air Force pilots:
    Intercept--but do not fire upon."


    This article, which appeared in Argosy Magazine in August,
    1969, is reprinted above in it's entirety. It is important
    because it is one of the few reports that goes into detail about
    the revolutionary technical advancements made by the Nazi's in the
    field of aeronautical research.

    Unfortunately, Vesco doesn't offer any real substantiation
    for the existence of the Kugelblitz, which is the crux of his
    subject. However, in his book "Intercept, UFO," he tells us that
    the Kugelblitz was indeed tested some time in February, 1945 over
    the great underground complex at Kahla, in Thuringia. Both the
    Kugelblitz and the Feurball were then destroyed by the retreating
    S.S.

    So, could this story be considered fact? We have to take into
    consideration a number of issues. First and foremost, there is
    the Nazi's. Could they have been developing craft of such
    advancement?

    History has it that not only were they at war, which required
    much in the way of manpower, but they took on incredible projects
    such as constructing huge underground complexes at Nordhausen in
    the Harz mountains, Pennemunde and others. They also had their
    Naval Vessals provide support for a very detailed study of the
    Antartic in which they were alleged to have been building
    underground bases there as well.

    General Heinrich Himmler, the Reichsfuhrer as his S.S. men
    would call him, was quite frankly, a madman. He believed in
    obediance, controlled breeding and vivisection of humans. He
    believed in biological mutation and what could be produced with
    it. He used the slaves for his work force, as well as specimens
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    Let's discuss this possibility more in the message boards in
    Paranet and the UFO echos. I am starting to get quite tired of
    the theory that UFO's and related matters, are extraterrestrial.


    It is being shoved down our throats by figures like "Falcon"
    and "Condor" as well as articles in Paranet like MUGGER.DOC and
    PICNIC2.DOC. As a matter of fact, that is about all I hear
    anymore. It seems that since we want to hear about EBE's, the
    so-called, Intelligence Community, is giving us just what we want
    to hear.

    I call on each and every person in the UFO community to
    research, in depth, HUMAN history. In particular, great scientists
    such as, Tesla and his experiments; Einstein's theories; Germany's
    secret weapons of the Second World War by R. Lusar; the
    Philadelphia Exp eriment; Admiral Byrd's Project Highjump; books
    and periodicals about Nazi Germany and their interest in
    Antartica; then tell me that the possibility of technology (Earth
    Technology) could not possibly exist that could explain UFO's and
    the reason why it is above top secret.

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    This above fascinating document was obtained from Paranet
    and courteously furnished to Vangard by A.J. McDonald.

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    Vangard Sciences includes the following material to assist
    in further research and understanding of this phenomenon.
    01/26/90
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    There is much available material which can be related
    to the above referrences to the Kugleblitz.

    Among these, we can include plasma/ion field drive systems as
    developed from the Searle disc, the implosion/impansion effect of
    Viktor Schauberger, the German secret weapon referred to as the
    "whirlwind cannon", Tesla's "Mechanical Oscillator" and additional
    UFO reports over the past two decades.

    We will deal with these individually in order to delineate a
    specific relationship for those who might not be familiar with
    such topics.

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    Plasm/ion field drive systems

    Many sightings, especially those at night, report glowing or
    lighted objects which move at high speed. The Searle effect was
    produced by the spinning of a metal disc at very high speed which
    levitated momentarily, then took off under its' own power. The
    principle is directly related to the Biefeld/Brown effect and
    electrostatic replusion. Voltages beginning at 50 KV and up when
    applied to two plates acting as capacitors will produce a thrust
    away from the planet. This thrust is due to an attractive force


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    from the positive plate and a repellent force from the negative.
    If the force is of sufficient electrical potential, a plasma
    (cloud of ionized gases) will be formed.

    In the Searle case, it was believed that "free electrons"
    were centrifugally thrown towards the outside rim to accumulate
    the necessary potential for the lift.

    The mention of the klystron in the early "Foo fighters" is
    again interesting in that it provides a clue to a superior means
    of creating the plasma levitation field locally. Klystrons and
    magnetrons are used in microwave ovens to generate the intense,
    focussed local microwave field for cooking. This indicates that
    application to an appropriate surface at a specific frequency,
    might excite the surrounding air sufficiently to generate the
    plasma.

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    Implosion/Impansion

    Viktor Schauberger discovered that all Nature operates with a
    dual principle, centripetence and centrifugence. Centripetence
    was called by Schauberger "Implosion or Impansion" to indicate a
    vortex action which condensed and cooled in the process.
    Experiments carried out by Schauberger included a levitating
    effect which could be acheived with the use of water or air.
    There are reports that during WWII, Schauberger actually assisted
    in the construction of a levitation craft under orders of the
    German military.

    From "German Weapons and Secret Weapons of the 2nd WW and their
    Further Development" by Rudolf Lusar :

    "The development, (relating to flying saucers) which had cost
    millions, was almost complete by the end of the war. No
    doubt the existing models were destroyed, although the plant
    in Breslau, where Miethe worked, fell into the hands of the
    Russians, who removed all the material and technical
    personnel to Siberia, where further work on these "flying
    saucers" has been carried on with much success. Schriever
    just managed to get out of Prague in time, Habermohl, on the
    other hand, must be in the Soviet Union.

    The former German designer Miethe is in the USA and, as far
    as can be determined, is designing "flying saucers" for A.V.
    Roe & Co. The machines, which have been observed to date,
    have diameters in the order of 16, 42, 45 and 75 metres and
    they are supposed to develop a speed of up to 7,000 km/hour.

    Already in 1952 "flying saucers" had been indisputably
    recognised over Korea and according to press reports, were
    also observed and reported during NATO manoeuvres in Alsace
    in the spring of 1954."

    In a letter written by Schauberger to a friend, he gives further
    information from his direct experience with the German military :

    "The "flying saucer" which was flight-tested on the 19th
    February 1945 near Prague and which attained a height of

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    15,000 metres in 3 minutes and a horizontal speed of 2,200
    km/hours, was constructed according to a Model 1 built at
    Mauthausen concentration camp in collaboration with the
    first-class engineers and stress-analysts ASSIGNED TO ME from
    the prisoners there.

    It was only after the end of the war that I came to hear,
    through one of the workers UNDER MY DIRECTION, a Czech, THAT
    FURTHER INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT WAS IN PROGRESS: however, there
    was no answer to my enquiry.

    From what I understand, just before the end of the war, the
    machine is SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DESTROYED on Keitel's
    orders. That's the last I heard of it.

    In this affair, several armament specialists were also
    involved who appeared at the works in Prague, shortly before
    my return to Vienna, and asked that I DEMONSTRATE the
    fundamental basis of it: The CREATION OF AN ATOMIC LOW-
    PRESSURE ZONE, which DEVELOPS IN SECONDS when either AIR or
    WATER IS CAUSED TO MOVE RADIALLY AND AXIALLY under conditions
    of a FALLING TEMPERATURE GRADIENT."

    This principle is without doubt to my mind, the "suction
    craft" referred in the previous Vesco article.

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    The "Whirlwind Cannon"

    There are reports of another fantastic secret weapon which
    was constructed and used during WWII. This weapon was said to use
    air as its "bullet" and could knock down a brick wall at a range
    of several miles. On the KeelyNet board (214) 324-3501, there is
    a file VORTXGUN.ZIP (or .ASC if using a non-IBM system) which
    gives a short description of work done in the US on vortex
    principles. Personal discussions I have had with various informed
    researchers indicates that a plasma weapon using vortex principles
    is currently in research if not already here.

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    Tesla's Mechanical Oscillator

    Another device invented by Tesla was the Mechanical
    Oscillator which compressed air until the oxygen became a liquid.
    It was built in the form of an air cylinder and contained several
    chambers, each of which successively cools the air until it
    becomes liquid. Tesla stated that the device was highly efficient
    and could be used as a power generating system if magnets were
    attached to the oscillating pistons.

    Refer to the above comments about "oxygen recycle system" and
    'important experiments made with LIQUID OXYGEN for new turbine
    engines capable of developing extraordinary power.'

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    UFO Reports

    Speed measurements of UFO's made with the use of radar have
    been reported up to 5,000 MPH. Others move so fast that speeds
    can only be calculated by using time over distance between related
    sightings indicates speeds up to 12,000 MPH.

    Glowing spheres, cylinders and lens-shaped objects (most
    frequent) are the forms which UFO's tend to take. The use of
    Plasma as a propulsion method would obviates aerodynamic
    requirements up to certain speeds since the plasma would cut
    through the atmosphere like a hot knife through butter.

    However, above certain critical speeds, dependent on the
    shape of the craft, the plasma would not fully protect against
    wind resistance. This would justify the use of the "frisbee" lens
    shape most commonly seen. In addition, gyroscopic stabilization
    would further assist navigation.

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    As you can see, the Vesco article opens many cans of worms.

    If the Germans combined the Schauberger Implosion principle
    (vortex "whirlwind") with the grisou (fire damp gas) and added the
    Klystron exciter for the plasma drive system, then the Kugleblitz
    is indeed possible.

    In addition, another type of drive could be achieved by using
    Tesla principles (available years before WWII) for such Tesla
    turbines driven by liquid oxygen produced by Tesla Mechanical
    Oscillators.

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    We of Vangard Sciences and KeelyNet wish to thank
    Mr. Al Pinto and Mr. A.J. McDonald for bringing this information
    to our attention that we may contribute and pass it along.

    If we can be of service, please contact at the above address,
    phone or BBS number. Thank you.

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    http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
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