PART 36




[Transcript of an Online Conference with Carol and Rex Salisberry.
Two MUFON
UFO investigators in the Gulf Breezes, Florida case. Terry Ecker
acts as a
local host. Sunday, Septmeber 2, 1990]

User User ID Nod
Area Name
---- ------------- --- -------- -------------------
1
76146,2631 HLV Rm 5 Vince
2 76703,266 DUK Rm 5 G-WIZ

3 76012,3361 BMD Rm 5 Ted
4 71450,3504 ANN Rm 5
Bert
5 71207,1165 PSF Rm 5 Rex & Carol
6 76004,340
QGD Rm 5 Jack
7 70431,3543 PRI Rm 5 Paula
8
72540,1652 DWC Rm 5 Tom
15 74270,3360 SIF Rm 5 DON


(5-3,Ted) Tonights special guests are Carol and Rex Salisberry MUFON

investigators on the Gulf Breezes UFO case. Carol and Rex wil discuss and

answer questions about the numerous sighting in the area. Because the case
is
still on going and also because of all the senstionalist press the Ed
Walters
case is NOT one they wish to debate. Many thanks to Terry Ecker
foracting as
the local host in Florida. With that behind us, Carol? Rex? Do
you have any
opening remarks? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We just want o thank you for having us
as guests. ga

(5-1,Vince) ?

(Bert) ?

(5-6,Jack) ?

(5-3,Ted) I will open the
floor to ? and !. Please type a "?" or a "!" if you
have a question or comment
and I will take your name down and flag you when
it is your turn. GA Vince


(5-1,Vince) Rex would like to know your background and how you became

interested in ufo's?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Retired Air Force 31 years rasnk
colonel, pilot for 20
plus, R&D last 15 years. POresently teach college
parttime. Have always
been interested in UFOs, just been more active past
couple of years Carol and
a friend saw three daylight disks in spring of 88,
Pardon Terry's typing. ga

(5-3,Ted) Bert is next GA

(Bert) ok...
Rex and
Carol, one of the more significant signtings by multiple
witnesses seems to
have been the one on Sept. 12, 1989 involving
about 35 witnesses including 12
MUFON investigators. The recent
in the Sentinel (9/21/89) suggested that this
was a
"type II" object (i.e. like photos 20 and 22 in the "book").
I understand
that Bruce Maccabee analyzed photographs of this event
Have the results of this
analysis been completed and was the object
indeed a "type II'? Also have your
own investigations involved this
particular event or related events? Thanks.
GA

(5-5,Rex & Carol) First, we doubt that there were 35 witnesses.
Anyway,
fewer than half saw it, and not all of
the MUFON investigators saw it. It was
just aq red dot kin the sky.
One photo was taken, not nalyzed to our
knowledge.
We don't consider that a significant sighting by any means. ga


(5-3,Ted) Jack is next. GA

(5-6,Jack) Rex and Carol , I am most interested in
any physical evidence
that may be associated
with the GB sightings. Has any
been found or is the bulk of the evidence
primarily photos and sightings ? ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Many persons have mysterious physical marks
on their bodies,
such as puncture wounds, new scars with no previous wound,
etc. Not many
photos, and few of them show much. We have a few small pieces
of metal which
were gathered from inside the car after the driver was struck
by something on
the left shoulder; metal not yet analyzed. ga

(5-10,Steve) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA
Steve

(5-10,Steve) Rex, As a retired military officer. What is your opinion as
to
the extent of official government cover up and/or involvment at GB and at

other UFO sites, ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We think it's obvious the government has
always covered up
to someextent. We have no evidence to indicate government
involvement in
the cases here. ga

(Bert)?

(5-3,Ted) While we are waiting for
the next round of ?s and !s I have a ?
Carol or Rex, just how many people have
sighted the GB UFO and how many have
shown body markings? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol)
Gulf Breeze UFO is misleading. Many different types have been
seen, all shapes,
all sizes some with markings, some with windows.
Triangular shapes transparent
UFOs, arrow head shapes, cigar shaped and disks.
The GB (Walters) UFO not seen
by many. ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(Bert) Could you
describe one or two of what you feel are your most significant
cases.
Particularly involving on of the skin wounds if possible. ga

(5-3,Ted) Good ?
Bert GA C&R

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Two witnesses, mother and daughter, are with us
tonight.
One has wounds on her arm in the shape of the object she saw, delta
shaped.
They wer standing in their driveway; the object covered their yard and
the
yard next door - about 150 feet. Had a bright white light on front, a red

light on each corner. It was followed by a cigar shaped object with a white

light on the left and a red light on the right; both were followed by a very

small red light that appeared to be trying to catch up. There was no sound.
We
just held hands as they went over us at treetop level. We jumped in our
car and
tried to follow it, lost sight, but seen again six miles to the east
in reverse
order. ga

(5-3,Ted) Any missing time? ga
(Bert) ?follow

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Not
that either is aware of. They were disoriented and
lethargic for a few days.
Hypnosis has been attempted with no conclusive
results so far. Body markings
are as yet unexplained. ga

(5-3,Ted) Bert has a follow up ? Then it's Matt's
turn. GA Bert

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Hi Don.
(Bert) Have the two witnesses had any
further sightings and/or is this a
one-time thing? ga

(5-15,DON) Hello all.


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, many times beginning in 1958 and some since. On one

occasion we followed one to their house and all four of us saw it. ga
Same
object shape etc.?ga

(5-6,Jack) ?

(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) They have
seen several sizes and shapes. The one we
followed to their house was just a
round white ball. ga

(5-3,Ted) Matt GA
(5-3,Ted) Matt are you still with us?
ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Not on the list.

(5-5,Rex & Carol) !

(5-3,Ted)
Ok Matt, I had you down for a ? my mistake. GA R&C

[NOTE: Ted was having
problems with his CIM Software and CosmicThAng/Philly
was showing up as Matt on
his computer. Hence, a LOT of confusion!]

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We have one long
term case dating back 16 years to the
abduction of the mother in Germany.
Through hypnosis she has total recall of
the event and has povided detailed
descriptions of the craft and the
entities. Th craft was a 40 foot disk with a
crew of six. One had died nd a
second ship was bringing a replacement crew
member. Entities looked like
greys in silver suits. They seemed capable of
emotion such as anger,
compassion, etc. The family has had more than 20
sightings here during the
past year. ga

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted)
Ok GA MATT

(Bert) Looks like only Ted can see Matt the phantom.ga

(5-3,Ted)
Ok Jack is next GA Jack

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No Matt on the list here.


(5-6,Jack) Ok...


(Bert) Hmmmm, not here.ga
(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) Wait a
second. Ted says I'm Matt. I'm CosmisThAng
and I'm next. ga

(5-6,Jack)
Regarding the pieces of metal when is the completed analysis
expected? ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) Analysis will *begin* when we find someone who can do it.

(cheap). ga

(Bert) ?

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Vince


(5-1,Vince) Is there any local concern by citizens in the area is there any

local govt concern for citizens safety or is there not concern?

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) Well, we would say that spreading interest is more descriptive
than
concern, although some do have concerns. Local government seems to have
no
official position but are very cooperative with us on investigastions. We
know
of no one who has been physically harmed by the phenomena, except for
the small
wounds we have mentioned. ga

(5-7,Paula) ?

(5-3,Ted) Folks Css is next. For
some reason (probably a CIM bug) he is
showing up as Matt on my list. Oh, well,
GA Cosmic

(5-11,CosmicThAng/Philly) My questions also deal with bodily marks.

Is there an repeated pattern as to mark type or location?? To re-ask Ted's ?,

how many GB folks have marks? Also is there any history or occu4rance of

migraine headache disorders among the potential abductees? ga

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) No identifiable pattern of marks locally, butt call-ins
from other areas
have triangular marks mainly. Don't know how many Pensacola
area folks have
marks. (We say Pensacola area since most events happen
outside of GB. There are
many folks with migraine headaches, buzzing in the
ears. There is possible
correlation with contactees. ga

(Bert) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(Bert) Actually I
think Paula is next. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Paula

(5-7,Paula) If not, any theories?
Thanks ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No, but for what it's worth, one
name we were given
was Zorcon. We have another contactee with us tonight whose
experience goes
back at least 16 years and has written a book on the subject.
ga

(5-3,Ted) I want to hear more about that after Bert"s ? ga Bert

(Bert)
Rex, can you describe the metal object (poss. alien artifact) that
you
mentioned earlier? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Very small, BB size, rough ut shiny,
like little metl
pebbles. ga

(5-3,Ted) ANy follow Bert?

(Bert) Yes, does it
break appart easily? And have you looked at it under a
microscope? ga

(5-5,Rex
& Carol) No, we can't break it. It hasn't yet been examined under
microscope.


(5-3,Ted) Since I have obviously been have a problem with CIM software
tonight
I want to be sure that i have not missed anybody...

(5-3,Ted) Is there anyone
out there that has been skipped over? ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Russ


(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-9,Russ) I was wondering if you have noticed any change in the
frequency
of sightings in Florida since 1958? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Can't say
since 58. Frequence has been relatively constant
the last three years. Before
that we weren't here or involved. There are
reports of considerable activity on
Eglin AFB in 1976-77-78-79. ga

(5-3,Ted) Vince is next. Ga

(5-9,Russ) ?

(Bert) ?

(5-1,Vince) Rex, when did you retire and did you have any military
related
sightings?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) 1983. Sighting in early 60s hih over KC.
Mo. We were at
33,000 and UFO up around 40,000. K.C. paper next day reported a
landing in
Kansas. ga

(5-7,Paula) ?
(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Russ


(5-9,Russ) Have thre been any reports of the infamous "Men In Black"?

(5-5,Rex
& Carol) No. Carol had one Man in Black reporting and nother
witness claims to
have seen alien at the MUFON Symposium in July. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
(Bert)
Your mentioning of a "buzzing in the ear" of a number of witnesses
is this the
same type of buzzing involved in the Walters' case? Also
is the support group
still meeting -- i.e. in the absence of Overlaid?
And if so, how many people
attending. Thanks. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) No on the
Walters hum, other have hih pitched ringing while
others have moderate hum,
sometimes with sightings. Support group dissolved
before Overlade died. ga


(5-3,Ted) Paula is next GA

(5-7,Paula) Excuse my ignorance (I'm new to this
topic), but what does MUFON
stand for? Also tell us about the book you
mentioned earlier. Thanks ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) MUFON = Mutual UFO Network.
The book is *Star Bright, Star
White* by Norman Hill of Pensacola. I don't know
whether it's permitted to
talk about the book, price of how to get it. Will let
Ted say. ga

(5-3,Ted) Plug away! ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) P.O. Box 16040,
Warrington FL 32507. $10 plus $2
shipping & handling this is a self published
hardcover book by a man who has
had many sightings east of here, near
Tallahassee, and numerous contacts with
several different entity groups. Normn
has spent many nights camping at the
site where he has seen UFOS tkoff and land
- the same site where. The site is
on St. Joe Paper Co. land. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA
Vince (then Cosmic)

(5-1,Vince) ok...
(5-1,Vince) Are we any closer to solving
the mystery and does there appear to
be any govt interest in the GB area
sightings.ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We see no signs of government interest here,
nor that we are
close to solving the mystery. Sorry. ga

(Bert) ?


(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Got a follow up, Vince? ga

(5-1,Vince) no


(5-3,Ted) GA Cos

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) R&C: You said earlier that the hum
sound
correlated with sightings. Did you mean to indicate that all sounds

correlated (thusly)?..or just the hum sound. Any correlation with the high

pitched sound? I've heard that for years and years since childhood. ga


(5-5,Rex & Carol) The hum, etc. and sightings are seldom simultaneous,

apparently.Correlation is only possible, not established. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA
Bert
(Bert) Regarding the metal pieces recovered
did I understand correctly
that there are several pieces that all
appeared during the same event and that
they are all BB sized hard
objects? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, three of them.
ga

(Bert) ?follow
(5-3,Ted) GA Bert

(5-1,Vince) ?
(Bert) Where were they
found? i.e. on the floor of the car or
"stuck" to something in the car? thanks.
ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) On the floor. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Have
you had any other military flyers relate ufo incidents to
you and was yours
reported?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Other flyiers yes, but not for the record. Ours
not
reported. ga

(Bert) ?

(5-3,Ted) GA Bert
(Bert) Anything new on the AWOL
group? And what do you think of this strange
scenario? ga

(5-6,Bruce G) ?

(5-1,Vince) ?
(5-5,Rex & Carol) We talked to four of them three or four weeks
ago. They
said they know nothing of "Rapture" or finding the anti-Christ. They
repeated
they felt they had to leave Germany but not U.S. Army. Claimed they
liked
their work. They had been reading the Bible, mostly. Revelations.
Possible
they may have experienced paranormal things in Germany. These
paranormal
events continued after they left. They consider themselves as being
a simple
AWOL case. They had hoped to meet Bill Cooper since one of his papers
bears
similarity to their reading of the Bible. They intend to release details
of
their experience to the media soon. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) ?


(5-3,Ted) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Pretty serious offense (AWOL) did the army just
let them go and
what were their motives?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) AWOL is not too
serious. Most go back. Reportedly Army has
600 AWOLs a month. Army granted
general discharges to these six. Their
motives were to leave Germany, which
they have not yet explained. ga

(5-3,Ted) GA Cosmic!
(5-1,Vince) ?


(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) Dealing strictly with pure, unsubstantiated
instinct.
Dis you feel that the GB6 were speaking with total candor. Did they
seem
afraid of saying the wrong thing? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Yes, we thought they
were speaking with candor, and they
were not afraid. We had been aware of
their interest in the writings of
Bill Cooper for several months before their
arrival in GB....

(5-5,Rex & Carol) We are also aware of their interest in
psychic studies. ga

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) follow up?

(5-3,Ted) Follow
Cos?

(5-10,CosmicThAng/Philly) So the GB & UFO connections are pure
coincidence???
Bill Cooper and GB, BOTH?? ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) It appears to
be coincidence at this time. They came to GB
to visit a friend. They think
their AWOL case has been blown out of
proportion as well as their
"involvement" with UFOs. ga
(Bert) ? Ted got dumped. Rex with all the sightings
by multiple witnesses
I think there are 290 plus now, if I remember correctly,.
has there been any
thought of having an organized ffort to request (or perhaps
DEMAND) an
official investigation i.e. by government officials. I would think
there
would be enough people to sign something that would give it a little
weight.
But of course we know what the gov. position would probably be. ga


(5-1,Vince) ?

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Most witnesses are reluctant to have their
names divulged,
such as the signing a petition. Any demand would have to be
made at
presidential level since decision to withhold UFO information is also
made
at that level. We locally lack clout to demand anything. We consider

ourselves fortunate that so many witnesses/contactees have the guts to share

their experiences with us. We would hate to dry up that source. ga

(5-8,Ted )
Sorry folks I got dumped. Who is next? ga

(Bert) I think Vince is up.


(5-1,Vince) I agree AWOL as such is not that serious but most are just guys

that oversleep. It doesn't appear that they had any intention of returning
and
what or where is it stated that the release of UFO information is made at

presedential level?ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) At the time of their arrest the six
were debating their
futures turn themselves in to the Army, hide out in the
hills or what. They
repeated several times that their intuition was to leave
Germany and not the
Army. If you believe the MJ-12 documents and the President
Carter statements
regarding UFOs, one could form the conclusion that such
decisions are indeed
made at presidential level. The one case with which I am
familiar involving a
foreign country, the disclosure decisions were made by the
president. ga

(5-1,Vince) follow

(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince

(5-6,Bruce G) ?


(5-1,Vince) If you believe in the MJ-12 documents there has to be a large
scale
coverup and a large infrastructure in not only the military but other
agencies
to manage the wealth of information, sightings etc that continue to
be
reported. This appears to be too well hidden.ga

(5-5,Rex & Carol) It is hard
to know how large the infrastructure might be,
however in personal contact with
former Bluebook workers and others, they
relate that considerable UFO related
information was systematically withheld
from the public. ga

(5-8,Ted ) GA
Bruce

(5-6,Bruce G) This may sound silly, but is there a viable alternative to
the
gov't as far as the public is concerned, to report incidental contacts or

sightings...

(5-6,Bruce G) like a 1-900-SAW-AUFO? ga

(5-8,Ted ) $25 for the
first 30 seconds! <g>

(5-5,Rex & Carol) There is MUFON, n international
reporting and investigative
organization independent of the government. ga


(5-8,Ted ) Anyone else with a ? or ! ga

(Bert)
?
(5-8,Ted ) GA Bert

(Bert)
Rex and Carol, is there anything going on in the area there that we
may not
have touched on that should be considered of major significance? i.e.
anything
new on the "circles" or with animals etc. thx. ga

(5-1,Vince) !

(5-5,Rex &
Carol) Nothin new on the circles. Many people are heaing strange
knockings on
their doors, windows and aroun the house lately. Several
sightings have been
seen over electrical power substations, which mkes one
think maybe they are
stealing electricity. About half of our sightings
have aircraft flying in the
immediate vicinity. We are investigating a new
case of an event of Christmas
1989 where a lady and her car were abducted for
about 30 minutes. She recalls
being 30 or so feet in the air with the car,
descending toward the road. She
remembers seeing two types of entities; two
entities were about six feet tall
with a lot of hair on their faces which
appeared like animal hair. These two
were dressed in white gowns like
doctors. Four other entities were about three
nd half feet tall and about as
wide. She couldn't see their features. Fat
greys? ga

(5-8,Ted ) GA Vince

(5-1,Vince) Oh Rex btw before I forget, FLY
NAVY!ga

(5-8,Ted ) Any other ?s GA

(5-8,Ted ) I want to thank Rex and Carol
Salisberry for sharing their evening
with us. Also special thanks to Anne
Ecker for putting up with Terry on
this CO. Anne, Carol, Rex and Terry thanks
for a wonderful and informative
evening. GA

(5-5,Rex & Carol) Thank you all.
We've enjoyed it.

(5-5,Terry) Nite gang.

(5-6,Bruce G) Thx and Bye!


(5-7,Paula) Thanks all! Bye!

(5-1,Vince) Nite all

(Bert) Thanks Rex and
Carol.

(5-8,Ted ) Matt? Where are you Matt?

(5-1,Vince) Excellent co

(Bert)
Night all.


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