Hello. This is my first post. I used to run a BBS in the 90s. I'd love to set one up now. But I'm wondering a few things. Due to severe bandwidth limits in the Rural area I am I would love to know if Fidonet would allow me to host a telnew BBS on a server that is not in my home?

I was in Fidonet and Darknet in the mid 90s and a founding member of Cyber3DNet. I used to live in Northwest Arkansas. Now I'm in Middle of nowhere Iowa.

I would seriously consider running a telnet BBS if I could find a reliable server to host me.

Thank you :)

-+-
"Bother", said Pooh as he cut down Al Gore's tree.

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Re: Hello all
By: loteknate to All on Mon Jul 12 2010 07:08 pm

Hello. This is my first post. I used to run a BBS in the 90s. I'd love to set one up now. But I'm wondering a few things. Due to severe bandwidth limits in the Rural area I am I would love to know if Fidonet would allow
me to host a telnew BBS on a server that is not in my home?

I'm not sure about remote server, but fido style traffice is super low bandwith. Most active message networks don't generate more than 10-15 mb's a month (that's not including the file areas).

I offer a full fidonet feed (as well as scinet) via every imagine way inculding ftp, binkp and even email. I can even feed you via dial up if you wish.

|08[|07=|15! frank |07aka |15netsurge
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I offer a full fidonet feed (as well as scinet) via every imagine way inculding
ftp, binkp and even email. I can even feed you via dial up if you wish.

What about RFC1149? :)

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Re: Re: Hello all
By: Nameless to Netsurge on Tue Jul 13 2010 03:09 am

What about RFC1149? :)

What RFC, lol

|08[|07=|15! frank |07aka |15netsurge
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Hi there,

Hello. This is my first post. I used to run a BBS in the 90s. I'd love to
set one up now. But I'm wondering a few things. Due to severe bandwidth limits >in the Rural area I am I would love to know if Fidonet would allow me to host
a telnew BBS on a server that is not in my home?

You should be able to set up the BinkD mailer there in Iowa to get and send echomail and netmail - the bandwidth is incredibly low for messages, so it shouldn't cause a problem. As far as using a remote server, sure you can do that but it's probably going to cost you some. Also, if you still have a modem
around, you can dial up or have mail delivered to you from a number of systems,
mine included. I send a bunch of modem feeds mail/files since I've already got
a dialing plan in use that enables free calls all over the U.S.

If you'd like to get a fidonet node number just go to this link, and fill out the application http://www.filegate.net/zone1/

The link for the application is on that main page.. there are help files for a number of internet mailers in the links section on the right side of the page.

Take care,
Janis

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What about RFC1149? :)

What RFC, lol

TCP over Avian Carrier. It's the least you should support...

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$ Nameless mentioned . .
%

TCP over Avian Carrier. It's the least you should support...

Being gone for so long, all of the piegons died.

|15netsurge |08>> |15hysteriabbs.com |08>> |15enthralbbs.com

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TCP over Avian Carrier. It's the least you should support...

Being gone for so long, all of the piegons died.

Ah, I thought it was just the normal latency.

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:09:00 +0000, "Nameless" <nameless@77:1/104.remove-h6i-this> wrote:

To: Netsurge

I offer a full fidonet feed (as well as scinet) via every imagine way
inculding
ftp, binkp and even email. I can even feed you via dial up if you wish.

I am trying to setup a BBS but have run into a couple issues. With my
ADSL modem/router and my wireless router.

My telco provided me with the Comtrend CT-5621 ADSL modem/router. And
i have a wireless router since I use all laptops now. So I have the
D-link DIR 615. The Dlink has the March 1, 2010 Firmware. The
Comtrend ADSL router I'm not even supposed to be able to access.
SHHHHHHH..... I found the admin login/password online. Root/12345.
Haaha So I did upgrade the firmware in the Comtrend too.
Anywho I think since the Comtrend is a router it is fighting with the
DIR 615 for control/ routing.

My Dyndns web address for the BBS is
http:// darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org

The issue is when I log in using my local ip address ( 192.168.0.xxx)
I have no issue. But if I try to log into Synchronet using the
darkhandofpooh address the web page times out EVERY time. Also if I
attempt to telnet using the Darkhandofpooh address it says it cant
login. But local telnet is ok.

Here is the kicker. Even though Firefox never shows the BBS when I
try to load http://darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org/ the Synchronet log
shows the following:

7/17 04:58:36p 0956 HTTP connection accepted from: 192.168.0.101
port 61936
7/17 04:58:36p 0956 Session thread started
7/17 04:58:36p 0956 Session thread terminated (0 clients, 1
threads remain, 110 served)
7/17 04:58:39p 0972 HTTP connection accepted from: 192.168.0.101
port 61936
7/17 04:58:39p 0972 Session thread started
7/17 04:58:39p 0972 Session thread terminated (0 clients, 1
threads remain, 111 served)
7/17 04:58:45p 1128 HTTP connection accepted from: 192.168.0.101
port 61936
7/17 04:58:45p 1128 Session thread started
7/17 04:58:45p 1128 Session thread terminated (0 clients, 1
threads remain, 112 served)



I wasn't loading from 192.168.0.101 I was online and typed in http://darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org/ but the log shows " HTTP
connection accepted from: 192.168.0.101" I did that just right now.

Same goes for Telnet even though on my side when I try to telnet to

darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org

I see

Microsoft Telnet> open darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org
Connecting To darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org...Could not open connection
to the hos
t, on port 23: Connect failed

The log shows

7/17 05:03:31p 0552 Telnet connection accepted from: 192.168.0.101
port 62131
7/17 05:03:31p 0552 Hostname: Dell-Studio
7/17 05:03:31p BBS System connection reset by peer on send
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 constructor using socket 552 (settings=8212)
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 temporary file directory:
c:\sbbs\NODE1\temp\
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 attached to local interface 0.0.0.0 port 23
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 connection reset by peer on receive
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 JavaScript: Creating runtime: 8388608 bytes
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 input thread terminated (received 0 bytes in
0 blocks)
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 JavaScript: Initializing context (stack:
16384 bytes)
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 JavaScript: Thread stack limit: 262144 bytes
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 05:03p Sat Jul 17 2010 Node 1
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 Telnet Dell-Studio [192.168.0.101]
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 sending telnet cmd: WILL Echo
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 sending telnet cmd: WILL Suppress Go Ahead
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 sending telnet cmd: DO Terminal Type
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 connection reset by peer on send
7/17 05:03:31p Node 1 connection reset by peer on send
7/17 05:03:32p Node 2 Waiting for output thread to terminate...
7/17 05:03:32p Node 2 output thread terminated (sent 6 bytes in 2
blocks, 3 average, 0 short)
7/17 05:03:32p Node 2 thread terminated (1 node threads remain, 14
clients served)
7/17 05:03:32p Node 2 JavaScript: Destroying context
7/17 05:03:32p Node 2 JavaScript: Destroying runtime
7/17 05:03:38p Node 1 Waiting for output thread to terminate...
7/17 05:03:38p Node 1 output thread terminated (sent 9 bytes in 2
blocks, 4 average, 0 short)
7/17 05:03:38p Node 1 thread terminated (0 node threads remain, 14
clients served)
7/17 05:03:38p Node 1 JavaScript: Destroying context
7/17 05:03:38p Node 1 JavaScript: Destroying runtime




Can anyone help me out? I am trying to figure out why the log shows
activity locally when I attempt to connect using the dyndns address
and I never see an actual connect.

Feel free to try to connect.

Thanks.

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:07:46 -0500, Lotek Nate <loteknate@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Can anyone help me out? I am trying to figure out why the log shows >activity locally when I attempt to connect using the dyndns address
and I never see an actual connect.

Feel free to try to connect.

Thanks.

I should have said although I am having these issues when I log in
locally i can use IRC chat (its slow when connected). I was on my BBS
locally yeasterday conncted to irc.bbs-scene.org chatting to echicken.
mIRC is WAY faster. lol


And I should have memntioned that the email works locally. I can write
email while logged in to the BBS locally and it will show up in my
Yahoo.com email account a few minutes later. And when I reply I'll
get it on the BBS.

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$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

I am trying to setup a BBS but have run into a couple issues. With my

all your shit works fine, your wide open by the way, msrpc and all.

whatever your issue it looks resolved to me, except you might like to firewall

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$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

And I should have memntioned that the email works locally. I can write
email while logged in to the BBS locally and it will show up in my
Yahoo.com email account a few minutes later. And when I reply I'll
get it on the BBS.

and i think all of your issues stem from using your external dns name from internal access. in my own network that is NAT, i use a split-horizon DNS server that answers internal addresses like 10.0.1.10 for external-facing DNS servers that answer 62.67.2.3 or whatever to the world.

you can solve it with a simple HOSTS file hack, for 90% of applications, windows doesn't have a libresolv service, and synchronet maybe does even its own thing. /etc/hosts or hosts.txt files were the original internet dns, and windows still honors the ability to inject your own static entries -- mind you theres no cname, ptr, a records, etc.

your dyndns doesn't help matters a whole lot -- are you using this service because you have a dynamic IP, because you don't own a domain, or because you can't wire your domain to your static IP?

--- Enthral BBS 0.428/Alpha (Linux i686)
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:10:10 +0000, "dingo"
<dingo@77:1/503.remove-11wf-this> wrote:

To: Lotek Nate
$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

I am trying to setup a BBS but have run into a couple issues. With my

all your shit works fine, your wide open by the way, msrpc and all.

whatever your issue it looks resolved to me, except you might like to firewall

--- Enthral BBS 0.428/Alpha (Linux i686)
* Origin: hysteria >> hysteriabbs.com >> toronto ca (77:1/503)

You were able to connect?


I took Everything down a bit ago in an effort to start from scratch...
I thought I was totally boned. .

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:36:45 -0500, Lotek Nate <loteknate@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:10:10 +0000, "dingo"
<dingo@77:1/503.remove-11wf-this> wrote:

To: Lotek Nate
$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

I am trying to setup a BBS but have run into a couple issues. With my

all your shit works fine, your wide open by the way, msrpc and all.

whatever your issue it looks resolved to me, except you might like to firewall

--- Enthral BBS 0.428/Alpha (Linux i686)
* Origin: hysteria >> hysteriabbs.com >> toronto ca (77:1/503)

You were able to connect?

I took Everything down a bit ago in an effort to start from scratch...
I thought I was totally boned. .

everything meaning the firewall and deleted the port forwarding and
everything I had done in the last couple days trying to make it so oi
could log in using the darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org address.

When I try to go to http://darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org/ I see:

The connection has timed out













The server at darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org is taking too long to
respond.

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:10:52 +0000, "dingo"
<dingo@77:1/503.remove-esw-this> wrote:

To: Lotek Nate
$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

And I should have memntioned that the email works locally. I can write
email while logged in to the BBS locally and it will show up in my
Yahoo.com email account a few minutes later. And when I reply I'll
get it on the BBS.

and i think all of your issues stem from using your external dns name from >internal access. in my own network that is NAT, i use a split-horizon DNS >server that answers internal addresses like 10.0.1.10 for external-facing DNS >servers that answer 62.67.2.3 or whatever to the world.

you can solve it with a simple HOSTS file hack, for 90% of applications, >windows doesn't have a libresolv service, and synchronet maybe does even its >own thing. /etc/hosts or hosts.txt files were the original internet dns, and >windows still honors the ability to inject your own static entries -- mind you >theres no cname, ptr, a records, etc.

your dyndns doesn't help matters a whole lot -- are you using this service >because you have a dynamic IP, because you don't own a domain, or because you >can't wire your domain to your static IP?

--- Enthral BBS 0.428/Alpha (Linux i686)
* Origin: hysteria >> hysteriabbs.com >> toronto ca (77:1/503)

I don't havbe a static IP. I have a dynamic. So I figured I'd just
use a DynDNS service. ...



What HOST file hack I'd love to see that.

you can email me direct loteknate@yahoo.com


I 'd love any tips though.

Heheh I miss my 1 node BBS on a Dialup system in the 90s when I
was a teen...

oh.. whoops. Dating myself.

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$ Lotek Nate mentioned . .
%

You were able to connect?

I took Everything down a bit ago in an effort to start from scratch...
I thought I was totally boned. .

I think dingo is correct, trying to use your outside ip to loop back via port forwarding will never work. Your hosts file is your best bet. Google your version of Winodows and HOSTS to find out where it's stored (I don't use Windows so I can't tell you where any of them are) then edit the hosts file to add the fqdn and local ip of your machine and you should be good.

|15netsurge |08>> |15hysteriabbs.com |08>> |15enthralbbs.com

--- Enthral BBS 0.428/Alpha (Linux i686)
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Ok thanks for the replies.

I added a line to my Windows HOSTS file that points
darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org to my 192.168.xx.xxx address.

So Now I *CAN* access the BBS via Firefox, telnet and FTP using darkhandofpooh.servebbs.org

WooHoo.

But isnt that because when I added that line to the hosts file I am
tricking my local computer with that one line I added?

I still can't access the BBS by typing the external IP ( like what
shows up when I go to whatismyip.com)

According to thr DynDNS auto update app my current Dynamic IP is
208.126.52.202

I took my PC out of the DMZ now too. It was only in the DMZ about 6
hours while I was testing all this stuff. I hope now that it is in
the firewall again the BBS is still able to be found.

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Re: Re: Hello all
By: Lotek Nate to bbs-scene.help on Sun Jul 18 2010 12:14 am

But isnt that because when I added that line to the hosts file I am
tricking my local computer with that one line I added?

Yes.

I still can't access the BBS by typing the external IP ( like what
shows up when I go to whatismyip.com)

Nor will you ever be able to. Consumer routers aren't capable of routing you back in via NAT to yourself, it creates a pardox of sorts. Read up on how NAT works and you'll understand why. NAT is essentially nothing more than a cheating method of using multiple devices with a single IP, when you make the request to yourself and get to your router, your router then thinks that it's itself and craps out.

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Re: Re: Hello all
By: Netsurge to Lotek Nate on Sat Jul 17 2010 11:38 pm

I think dingo is correct, trying to use your outside ip to loop back via por forwarding will never work. Your hosts file is your best bet. Google your version of Winodows and HOSTS to find out where it's stored (I don't use Windows so I can't tell you where any of them are) then edit the hosts file add the fqdn and local ip of your machine and you should be good.

I believe it's C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts.

I had to edit it to get a game working properly not too long ago.

axisd
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I think dingo is correct, trying to use your outside ip to loop back via p forwarding will never work. Your hosts file is your best bet. Google you version of Winodows and HOSTS to find out where it's stored (I don't use Windows so I can't tell you where any of them are) then edit the hosts fil add the fqdn and local ip of your machine and you should be good.

I am able to loop back just fine on my setup. Grant you I had to turn on the option in pFsense.

--- Mystic BBS v1.08 A31 (Linux)
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$ niter3 mentioned . .
%

I am able to loop back just fine on my setup. Grant you I had to turn on th option in pFsense.

Ahhh pfsense, the God of all firewalls (been using it for years). It might look like your looping in, but in reality pfsense is just cheating much like a hosts entry. When you try to go to your outside ip, pfsense just keeps the traffic on the lan interface and doesn't pass it to the wan side, that and using your port forwarding table it makes all the magic happen.

|15netsurge |08>> |15hysteriabbs.com |08>> |15enthralbbs.com

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$ Netsurge mentioned . .
%

Ahhh pfsense, the God of all firewalls (been using it for years). It might look like your looping in, but in reality pfsense is just cheating much lik hosts entry. When you try to go to your outside ip, pfsense just keeps the traffic on the lan interface and doesn't pass it to the wan side, that and using your port forwarding table it makes all the magic happen.

best way to test is jump out on a VPN then connect back :)

|08M|03e|11rc|15yful Fate |07[|08E|03n|11th|15ral|07]

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$ Mercyful Fate mentioned . .
%

best way to test is jump out on a VPN then connect back :)

oops or a shell account..

|08M|03e|11rc|15yful Fate |07[|08E|03n|11th|15ral|07]

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I still can't access the BBS by typing the external IP ( like what
shows up when I go to whatismyip.com)

Nor will you ever be able to.

i hate to say it but this is incorrect... my system has been doing exactly this
from the dial-up internet days all the way up to today on my dsl connection... i
do NOT split horizon my DNS or fool with HOSTS tricks... all my internal machines access my web sites, bbs and other services in the same way that anyone
outside my LAN does... we all use my WAN domain name and it works a peach... always has, in fact... right down to the workstations' proper internal IPs being
listed in all the logs...

PS: i've always done NAT ;)

)\/(ark

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and this one still duped back from 1:250/8 as you can see from the following full quote :(

I still can't access the BBS by typing the external IP ( like what
shows up when I go to whatismyip.com)

Nor will you ever be able to.

i hate to say it but this is incorrect... my system has been doing
exactly this from the dial-up internet days all the way up to
today on my dsl connection... i do NOT split horizon my DNS or fool
with HOSTS tricks... all my internal machines access my web sites,
bbs and other services in the same way that anyone outside my LAN
does... we all use my WAN domain name and it works a peach...
always has, in fact... right down to the workstations' proper
internal IPs being listed in all the logs...

PS: i've always done NAT ;)

)\/(ark

___ Internet Rex 2.29
- Origin: SciNet <-> FidoNet gateway (1:250/8)

)\/(ark

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Re: Hello all
By: mark lewis to netsurge on Thu Oct 06 2011 02:16 pm

and this one still duped back from 1:250/8 as you can see from the
following full quote :(

This is driving me crazy. I don't know why HPT doesn't see them as
dupes. Time to try another approach.

the main thing i see is that the messageid and MSGID are different and/or not being calculated as the same... other than that, it may be due to other things in the gating process...

yes, i've danced this dance before... as a developer... it isn't any fun... that's for sure...

)\/(ark

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Re: Hello all
By: mark lewis to Netsurge on Fri Oct 07 2011 11:42 pm

the main thing i see is that the messageid and MSGID are different and/or not being calculated as the same... other than that, it may be due to other things in the gating process...

I wonder if I can force a different type of dupe check for only this echo.
Time to try, lol.

|08[|07=|15! frank |07aka |15netsurge
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