• The Jesus of Mormonism

    From Beth Martin@RICKSBBS to All on Thu Mar 26 06:43:31 2026
    The Jesus of Christianity
    Vs
    The Jesus of Mormonism

    The Jesus WE KNOW contrasted to the "Jesus" of Mormonism. The one
    true Jesus of the BIBLE, of all eternity God the Son, who died that we
    may have eternal life; who paid the price of all sins; who has entered
    our lives and is walking with us in a personal relationship day by day
    -- is not known in Mormonism. The Jesus of Mormonism is an entirely
    different "Jesus". Let's examine what the leaders and prophets - the
    foundation of the Latter Day Saints Church - have said:

    "When the time came that His First-Born, the Saviour, should come
    into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father Himself came and
    favored the Spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other MAN
    do it. .... The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by
    the same being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the
    organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me." BRIGHAM
    YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 4:218

    "The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father.
    Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh,
    must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and
    Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the
    lawful wife of God the Father." ORSON PRATT, The Seer, pg 158

    "Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that
    mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers --- And Christ was born into
    the world as the Literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the
    same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born of
    a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; He
    was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of
    events, for He is the Son of God, and that designation means what it
    says." BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, pg 547,742

    Brigham Young, to be consistent with his "Adam-God" doctrine,
    believed Adam was the literal father of Jesus Christ:

    "When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had
    begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy
    Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family ...
    Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same
    character that was in the Garden of Eden, and who is our Father in
    Heaven." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 1:50,51

    As is evident in these statements, there is no Virgin Birth in
    Mormonism. On the other hand, the Bible clearly shows us:

    Matthew 1:18 Mary with child of the Holy Spirit
    1:20 That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit
    1:23 Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son
    Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of
    the Most High will overshadow you

    Further, the "Jesus" of Mormonism was married in polygamy and had
    children. This had to be so to be consistent with the doctrines of
    Joseph Smith, Junior. As Joseph reports as a "revelation" given him by
    God on July 12,1843: "I am the Lord thy God .. obey the instructions I
    am about to give unto you .. if ye abide not that covenant, then ye
    are damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to
    enter my Glory .. verily I say unto you, if man marry a wife by my
    word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant .. they
    shall be gods .. And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood
    if any man espouses a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the
    first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are
    virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then he is justified .. and
    if he have ten virgins given unto him by the law, he cannot commit
    adultery, for they belong to him." JOSEPH SMITH, Doctrine & Covenants, 132:2,3,4,19,20,61,62

    "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage
    in Cana of Galilee, and on a careful reading of that transaction, it
    will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married
    on that occasion." ORSON HYDE, Journal of Discourses, 13:259

    "How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed
    Him? In old times, and it is common to this day, the women, even
    Sarah, called their husbands 'LORD' .. Jesus was the bridegroom at the
    marriage of Cana of Galilee .. We say it was Jesus Christ who was
    married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed,
    before He was crucified .. I shall say here, that before the Saviour
    died, he looked upon His own natural children, as we look upon ours."
    ORSON HYDE, Journal of Discourses, 2:81,82

    The Bible states that Jesus is God the Son -- eternally existent
    with God the Father -- yet Mormon doctrine says Jesus was a spirit
    offspring of the Father; that Lucifer was the second spirit offspring
    (THEY WERE BROTHERS?!); followed by billions more - or each of us, for instance. We are "brothers" and "sisters" of Jesus Christ. Jesus is
    not the only begotten Son in Mormon Theology: "It makes me think of
    that second person that came forth in the heavens when the voice went
    forth: 'Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the
    sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains ?'. The Eldest son
    said: 'Here am I'; but he did not say 'send me'. But the second one,
    which was 'Lucifer, Son of the Morning', said, 'Lord, here am I, send
    me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on
    the earth." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 13:282

    "The appointment of Jesus to be Saviour of the world was contested
    by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, Son of the
    Morning .... this spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to become
    the Saviour of Mankind. MILTON R. HUNTER (First Council of 70) The
    Gospel Through the Ages, pg 15 [1958]

    "Jesus Christ is also of our species .. I have heard sectarian
    priest undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they
    make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not
    avoid thinking at once of a mule." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of
    Discourses, 4:217

    "There is no impropriety ... in speaking of Jesus Christ as the
    elder brother of the rest of human kind." JAMES TALMAGE, ARTICLES OF
    FAITH, pg 473

    In Mormonism, Jesus was a created being: "Jesus is man's spiritual
    brother. We dwelt with Him in the spirit world as members of that
    large society of our eldest brother." MILTON R. HUNTER, Gospel Through
    the Ages, pg 21

    "The devil is a spirit son of God who was born in the morning of pre-existence." BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, "Devil", 1966
    edition, pg 192

    "There are three Gods - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." BRUCE R.
    McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine,"God", pg 317

    The REAL JESUS, the ONLY Son of God and God the Son, is proclaimed throughout the BIBLE! Look up these references and tie-ins of Old and
    New testaments declaring Jesus' Divinity and NOT being created:

    LOOK UP: and COMPARE WITH

    Psalm 24:10 I Corinthians 2:8
    Psalm 45:6,7 Hebrews 1:8
    Isaiah 8:13 I Peter 2:8
    Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3
    Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:10
    Psalm 102:27 Hebrews 13:8
    James 1:17
    Psalm 102:25 Colossians 1:16
    Psalm 102:26 Matthew 24:35
    2 Peter 3:7,10

    JOHN 1:1-3,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
    with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with
    God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything
    made that was made ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among
    us, (and we beheld His glory, the Glory as of the ONLY begotten of the
    Father,) full of grace and truth."

    COLOSSIANS 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the
    firstborn of every creature" [Here 'firstborn' does not mean first 'spirit-child', rather a position of high honor - see verse 18,
    Hebrews 12:23, revelation 1:5, and Psalm 89:27]. The next verses, 16
    and 17, tell us, "For in Him were all things created, that are in
    heaven, and that are on the earth ... All things were created by Him,
    and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things
    consist."

    HEBREWS 1:10 "Thou, Lord (Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the
    foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thine hands."

    In Isaiah 44:24 God tells us that He "stretched forth the heavens
    alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Jesus, who IS the
    TRUTH and God the Father "have no lies within them" and are INCAPABLE
    OF TELLING A LIE. Jesus is God the Son, eternally One with the Father
    and the Holy Spirit, and not be confused. God the Son is not God the
    Father and God the father is not God the Holy Spirit, but each entity
    is a part of the ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD.

    ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a child is born ... his name shall be
    called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father,
    The Prince of Peace."

    MICAH 5:2 "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from
    everlasting."

    MATTHEW 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, 'All
    power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

    PHILIPPIANS 2:6-10 "Who, being in the form of God, though it not
    robbery to be equal with God: ... was made in the likeness of men ...
    became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God
    also hath highly exaulted him ... That at the name of Jesus every knee
    should bow ....".

    Compare to Isaiah 45:22,23 for if Jesus is not God, then we worship
    two (or more) Gods! The Mormons, basically, do not worship Jesus, or
    pray to Him, only "through" Him.)

    COLOSSIANS 2:9 "For in Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead
    bodily"

    HEBREWS 1:3 "... The express image of His person ...."

    JOHN 5:23 "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor
    the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which
    hath sent Him."

    JOHN 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, 'My Lord and my
    God'"

    Jesus used the same descriptions of himself; I AM, ALPHA and OMEGA,
    FIRST and LAST; as used by God the Father:

    COMPARE: ...

    JOHN 8:58 to EXODUS 3:14,15
    REV 22:13,16 To REV 1:8 & 21:6
    REV 1:17 to REVELATION 21:6
    REV 2:8 & 22:13 to ISAIAH 44:6 & 48:12

    Jesus is GOD the SON! Eternally God and not after, or created by,
    or a spirit child of God! Our Jesus is NOT the "Jesus" of Mormonism,
    and we are empowered, if we have accepted the true Jesus into our
    hearts, to give Thanks unto God for selecting us to reveal His True
    Son to us. HALLELUJAH and AMEN!!!

    Computers For Christ - San Jose

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  • From Eddie Wilson@RICKSBBS to All on Tue Mar 31 06:52:38 2026
    The Jesus of Christianity
    Vs
    The Jesus of Mormonism

    . The Jesus WE KNOW contrasted to the "Jesus" of Mormonism. The
    one true Jesus of the BIBLE, of all eternity God the Son, who died
    that we may have eternal life; who paid the price of all sins; who has
    entered our lives and is walking with us in a personal relationship
    day by day -- is not known in Mormonism. The Jesus of Mormonism is an
    entirely different "Jesus". Let's examine what the leaders and
    prophets - the foundation of the Latter Day Saints Church - have said:

    . "When the time came that His First-Born, the Saviour, should come
    into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father Himself came and
    favored the Spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other MAN
    do it. .... The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by
    the same being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the
    organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me." BRIGHAM
    YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 4:218

    . "The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh,
    must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and
    Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the
    lawful wife of God the Father." ORSON PRATT, The Seer, pg 158

    . "Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that
    mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers --- And Christ was born into
    the world as the Literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the
    same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born of
    a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; He
    was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of
    events, for He is the Son of God, and that designation means what it
    says." BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, pg 547,742

    . Brigham Young, to be consistent with his "Adam-God" doctrine,
    believed Adam was the literal father of Jesus Christ:
    . "When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had
    begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy
    Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family
    ... Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same
    character that was in the Garden of Eden, and who is our Father in
    Heaven." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 1:50,51

    . As is evident in these statements, there is no Virgin Birth in
    Mormonism. On the other hand, the Bible clearly shows us:

    . Matthew 1:18 Mary with child of the Holy Spirit
    . 1:20 That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit
    . 1:23 Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son
    . Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of
    . the Most High will overshadow you

    . Further, the "Jesus" of Mormonism was married in polygamy and had children. This had to be so to be consistent with the doctrines of
    Joseph Smith, Junior. As Joseph reports as a "revelation" given him
    by God on July 12,1843: "I am the Lord thy God .. obey the
    instructions I am about to give unto you .. if ye abide not that
    covenant, then ye are damned; for no one can reject this covenant and
    be permitted to enter my Glory .. verily I say unto you, if man marry
    a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting
    covenant .. they shall be gods .. And again, as pertaining to the law
    of the priesthood if any man espouses a virgin, and desire to espouse
    another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second,
    and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then he is
    justified .. and if he have ten virgins given unto him by the law, he
    cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him." JOSEPH SMITH,
    Doctrine & Covenants, 132:2,3,4,19,20,61,62

    . "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a
    marriage in Cana of Galilee, and on a careful reading of that
    transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus
    Christ was married on that occasion." ORSON HYDE, Journal of
    Discourses, 13:259
    . "How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed
    Him? In old times, and it is common to this day, the women, even
    Sarah, called their husbands 'LORD' .. Jesus was the bridegroom at the
    marriage of Cana of Galilee .. We say it was Jesus Christ who was
    married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed,
    before He was crucified .. I shall say here, that before the Saviour
    died, he looked upon His own natural children, as we look upon ours."
    ORSON HYDE, Journal of Discourses, 2:81,82

    . The Bible states that Jesus is God the Son -- eternally existent
    with God the Father -- yet Mormon doctrine says Jesus was a spirit
    offspring of the Father; that Lucifer was the second spirit offspring
    (THEY WERE BROTHERS?!); followed by billions more - or each of us, for instance. We are "brothers" and "sisters" of Jesus Christ. Jesus is
    not the only begotten Son in Mormon Theology: "It makes me think of
    that second person that came forth in the heavens when the voice went
    forth: 'Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the
    sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?'. The Eldest son
    said: 'Here am I'; but he did not say 'send me'. But the second one,
    which was 'Lucifer, Son of the Morning', said, 'Lord, here am I, send
    me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on
    the earth." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of Discourses, 13:282
    . "The appointment of Jesus to be Saviour of the world was
    contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, Son
    of the Morning .... this spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to
    become the Saviour of Mankind. MILTON R. HUNTER (First Council of 70)
    The Gospel Through the Ages, pg 15 [1958]
    . "Jesus Christ is also of our species .. I have heard sectarian
    priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they
    make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not
    avoid thinking at once of a mule." BRIGHAM YOUNG, Journal of
    Discourses, 4:217
    . "There is no impropriety ... in speaking of Jesus Christ as the
    elder brother of the rest of human kind." JAMES TALMAGE, ARTICLES OF
    FAITH, pg 473

    . In Mormonism, Jesus was a created being: "Jesus is man's
    spiritual brother. We dwelt with Him in the spirit world as members
    of that large society of our eldest brother." MILTON R. HUNTER,
    Gospel Through the Ages, pg 21
    . "The devil is a spirit son of God who was born in the morning of pre-existence." BRUCE R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine, "Devil", 1966
    edition, pg 192
    . "There are three Gods - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." BRUCE
    R. McCONKIE, Mormon Doctrine,"God", pg 317

    . The REAL JESUS, the ONLY Son of God and God the Son, is
    proclaimed throughout the BIBLE! Look up these references and tie-ins
    of Old and New testaments declaring Jesus' Divinity and NOT being
    created:

    LOOK UP: and COMPARE WITH

    Psalm 24:10 I Corinthians 2:8
    Psalm 45:6,7 Hebrews 1:8
    Isaiah 8:13 I Peter 2:8
    Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3
    Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:10
    Psalm 102:27 Hebrews 13:8
    . James 1:17
    Psalm 102:25 Colossians 1:16
    Psalm 102:26 Matthew 24:35
    . 2 Peter 3:7,10

    . JOHN 1:1-3,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
    with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with
    God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything
    made that was made ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among
    us, (and we beheld His glory, the Glory as of the ONLY begotten of the
    Father,) full of grace and truth."
    . COLOSSIANS 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the
    firstborn of every creature" [Here 'firstborn' does not mean first 'spirit-child', rather a position of high honor - see verse 18,
    Hebrews 12:23, revelation 1:5, and Psalm 89:27]. The next verses, 16
    and 17, tell us, "For in Him were all things created, that are in
    heaven, and that are on the earth ... All things were created by Him,
    and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things
    consist."
    . HEBREWS 1:10 "Thou, Lord (Jesus), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thine hands."
    . In Isaiah 44:24 God tells us that He "stretched forth the heavens
    alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Jesus, who IS the
    TRUTH and God the Father "have no lies within them" and are INCAPABLE
    OF TELLING A LIE. Jesus is God the Son, eternally One with the Father
    and the Holy Spirit, and not be confused. God the Son is not God the
    Father and God the father is not God the Holy Spirit, but each entity
    is a part of the ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD.
    . ISAIAH 9:6 "For unto us a child is born ... his name shall be
    called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father,
    The Prince of Peace."
    . MICAH 5:2 "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from
    everlasting."
    . MATTHEW 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, 'All
    power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
    . PHILIPPIANS 2:6-10 "Who, being in the form of God, though it not
    robbery to be equal with God: ... was made in the likeness of men ...
    became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore
    God also hath highly exaulted him ... That at the name of Jesus every
    knee should bow ....".
    . Compare to Isaiah 45:22,23 for if Jesus is not God, then we
    worship two (or more) Gods! The Mormons, basically, do not worship
    Jesus, or pray to Him, only "through" Him.
    . COLOSSIANS 2:9 "For in Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead
    bodily"
    . HEBREWS 1:3 "... The express image of His person ...."
    . JOHN 5:23 "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor
    the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father
    which hath sent Him."
    . JOHN 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, 'My Lord and
    my God'"
    . Jesus used the same descriptions of himself; I AM, ALPHA and
    OMEGA, FIRST and LAST; as used by God the Father:

    COMPARE: ...

    JOHN 8:58 to EXODUS 3:14,15
    REV 22:13,16 To REV 1:8 & 21:6
    REV 1:17 to REVELATION 21:6
    REV 2:8 & 22:13 to ISAIAH 44:6 & 48:12

    . Jesus is GOD the SON! Eternally God and not after, or created by,
    or a spirit child of God! Our Jesus is NOT the "Jesus" of Mormonism,
    and we are empowered, if we have accepted the true Jesus into our
    hearts, to give Thanks unto God for selecting us to reveal His True
    Son to us. HALLELUJAH and AMEN!!!

    Computers For Christ - San Jose



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    http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
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