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    From Larry Sneeringer@RICKSBBS to All on Thu Apr 23 06:13:53 2026
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    From: Diane Vera Msg Num: 86 of 91
    To: All Date: 02 Mar 92 19:56:00
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    Conf: Magickal Chat Echo (93Net) ******************************************************************************* To give other readers some background on the discussion amongst Tim
    Maroney, Balanone, and myself, which I am now trying to move from
    the BASE OF SET echo to OASIS, here is a revised version of my 5-
    part message "Trapezoi.TXT" which I posted to All in BASE OF SET on
    February 23.
    .
    Following is my critique of Tim Maroney's November 1990 article "The
    Nazi Trapezoid" (Trapezoi.TXT), which presents Tim's opinion that
    Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set's Order of the Trapezoid are
    covertly "sympathetic" to Nazism.
    .
    Near the beginning of Tim's article, before discussing why he thinks
    Aquino is a "Nazi sympathizer", Tim makes the following observation:
    .
    TM > Aquino himself has been the target of some of the
    worst modern witch hunting, being falsely accused of child
    molestation based on a statement by a Christian minister.
    Despite having much of his personal property seized by the
    police, his name and face splashed all over papers and
    television as a child molester, and his career interfered
    with, he was never formally charged with any crime. It is
    not only clear that he did not do it; it is clear that he
    couldn't have done it, since he was not even in the
    vicinity when the alleged abuse occurred.
    .
    Given Aquino's direct personal experience as a persecuted member of
    a minority religion, he really would have to be out of his mind to
    support either (1) Nazism as it existed in Germany or (2) modern
    American neo-Nazism and neo-fascism, intertwined as the latter are
    with "theo-fascist" Christianity. Anton LaVey, on the other hand,
    has never experienced this kind of harassment (not as far as I know,
    anyway) and is thus able to fantasize that there is such a thing as
    a "benign police state".
    .
    It is true that the oppressed, when liberated, can become the
    oppressors. However, it's unlikely that in Aquino's lifetime, the
    Temple of Set will ever be politically "liberated" enough to become
    an oppressor (at least not in any more-than-petty sense). Thus it
    will always be in Aquino's interests to fight *for* freedom, not
    against it. (At least within THIS country. We don't know what he
    may be doing, in his capacity as a military intelligence officer, by
    way of supporting fascist dictatorships in other countries.) As
    far as I know, the only political activism he's involved in is the
    Alliance of Magical and Earth Religions, a group which fights for
    religious freedom, and whose enemy is America's number-one brand of neo-fascism, i.e. theo-fascism.
    .
    The bulk of Tim's article is based on two ToS documents which can be
    found as files on various bulletin boards: the "Order of the
    Trapezoid - Statement" and the ToS reading list, Category 14,
    "Fascism, Totalitarianism, and Magic". Both of these documents do
    contain statements which could be interpreted as covert "sympathy"
    for Nazism; but this does not seem to me to be the correct
    interpretation.
    .
    TM > Consider this passage from "Order of the Trapezoid -
    Statement":
    "Crucial also to German Romanticism were the
    concepts of _dynamism_ and _life-worship_. The former term
    represents an urge towards constant movement and evolution,
    whether intellectual, artistic, or social. [...] The
    uncanny attraction of the Third Reich - Nazi Germany - lies
    in the fact that it endorsed and practiced both dynamism
    and life-worship without restraint and to a world-shaking
    degree of success."
    As he will not in public debate, Aquino also
    discusses here his trifling criticisms of Nazism:
    "Just as the Third Reich's dynamism got out of hand,
    leading it to embark on irrational and destructive foreign
    invasions, so its life-worship - which could have been a
    truly evolutionary synthesis of the most sublime concepts
    of Hegel and Nietzsche - became perverted into crude
    xenophobia, hatreds built upon superficial notions of
    'race', and ultimately a maddened stampede towards a
    Wagnerian _Goetterdaemmerung_ in defiance of a return to
    rationalism."
    .
    This is hardly a "trifling criticism", despite its apologetic tone.
    Nazism without "crude Xenophobia" would be a little like
    fundamentalism without Biblical inerrancy. Aquino is endorsing the
    German Romantic philosophical *background* of Nazism, but *not*
    Nazism's own central idea, which is none other than "crude
    xenophobia" and "hatreds built upon superficial notions of 'race'".
    (And, as a Hispanic person living in a largely "Nordic" white-
    dominated country, Aquino would have to be really insane to
    sympathize with "Nordic" xenophobia, "crude" or otherwise.)
    .
    Aquino's statement *is* worded a bit strangely, though, as if he
    sees the philosophical background of "dynamism and life worship" as
    being more central to Nazism than its defining themes of extreme
    xenophobia and totalitarianism. In BASE OF SET on February 23, I
    asked if anyone could provide some quotes from ToS literature
    clarifying this. On February 25, Balanone (who is a high-ranking
    ToS member: at least a priest, if not higher, though he is not a
    member of the Order of the Trapezoid) wrote to me "Re: Trapezoi.TXT
    (2 of 5)":
    .
    B > I can't provide any quotes, but perhaps a possible
    explanation.
    Recognizing that neither xenophobia nor
    totalitarianism supplies any reason to explore the history,
    works, or any other aspect of Naziism, perhaps it's that
    background of "dynamism and life worship" that makes
    Naziism worth looking at.
    More, while "dynamism and life worship" sounds grand
    and glorious, and none of us would turn our backs on
    dynamism and life worship, the Nazis demonstrated that this
    core concept can be twisted into horrendous and horrific
    activity. Perhaps we should study and learn from that
    lesson, hopefully to avoid repeating that specific lesson
    of history again...
    .
    Back to Tim's article:
    .
    TM > This "discretion" in discussing the elements of the
    Temple of Set which are sympathetic to Nazism is also
    evident in the Temple of Set reading list on the subject of
    "Fascism, Totalitarianism, and Magic". Aquino repeatedly
    implies in this list that he would like to endorse Nazi
    "philosophy", but he wouldn't want to be accused of
    "crimethink", so read it and decide for yourself.
    The reading list makes it clear that Aquino is not
    only a Nazi sympathizer but an advocate of Nazi racial
    policy -- albeit of an enlightened interpretation based on
    the prime movers of the party rather than the "hatreds
    built upon superficial notions of 'race'" practiced by the
    rank and file. Yet it was the philosophers and the movers
    and shakers, not the rank and file, who created the policy
    of vernichtung, the "final solution", annihilation of the
    Jews -- a subject on which Aquino maintains silence. In
    one review, he even admits that the only reason he holds
    back from outright endorsement of "a European race history
    that would have done credit to Hitler" is that he "wouldn't
    want to get in trouble for even appearing to endorse it".
    .
    Tim is referring here to 14N, THE PASSING OF THE GREAT RACE by
    Madison Grant. Aquino's review says:
    .
    MA > You can still find #14F in print, because it's a good
    whipping-boy for sanctimonous finger-waggling. It is less
    easy to find the books from 'our side' that argued along
    similar lines. This is [was!] one of the more famous, and
    you may still uncover an occasional copy in the back room
    of a used-book store or in the darkest corners of obscure
    libraries. Grant was not exactly a nonentity or
    lunatic-fringe fanatic. He was Chairman of the New York
    Zoological Society, Trustee of the American Museum of
    Natural History, and a Councilor of the American
    Geographical Society. In this book [by a prominent
    publisher] he argues a forceful case for a European race
    history that would have done credit to Hitler and
    Rosenberg. The most interesting aspect of this book is that
    only a very few years ago it was accepted as a respectable
    contender in the academic/scientific community. After World
    War II it was, in Orwell's terms, guilty of Crimethink and
    thus condemned to be an Unperson. There is a lesson to be
    learned here concerning the durability and invulnerability
    of 'established scientific fact' when it becomes
    politically or socially inconvenient. I hereby suggest that
    you make up your own mind as to whether the book is
    convincing. After all, I wouldn't want to get in trouble
    for even appearing to endorse it.
    .
    In December 1991 in BASE OF SET, I asked Oz Tech about this. (Oz
    Tech is a black woman and a Setian priestess.) On December 22, Oz
    Tech wrote to me "Re: Politics and Satanism":
    .
    OT > Again, irony comes through poorly in print. Yes,
    Aquino writes of whether it is convincing -- but does he
    write of whether it is true?
    And if you think I'm side-stepping the question,
    look at the LBM section of the reading list: an entire
    section devoted to stage magic, propaganda, and other
    techniques that rely on the difference between
    "convincingness" and truth! Is the mention of this book
    truly out of place? If Aquino's trying to make a point
    about the susceptibility of intelligent people to insanity
    I can't think of a better way to go than to cite a
    respected American scientist who spins pseudoscience
    *exactly* like a German National Socialist.
    .
    In the context of the reading list, it is not at all clear that "the susceptibility of intelligent people to insanity" is, in fact, the
    point Aquino was trying to make in his review of 14N. However, Tim
    and I don't have the full context. The reading list is an excerpt
    from THE CRYSTAL TABLET. In BASE OF SET on February 23, I asked if
    anyone could provide any concise quotes, from THE CRYSTAL TABLET or
    other official ToS literature, which clarify Aquino's point, i.e.
    which clearly indicate that concern about "the susceptibility of
    intelligent people to insanity" is one of the Order of the
    Trapezoid's reasons for studying Nazism. No one provided any such
    quotes at that time. However, judging by what Balanone and Frc have
    told me so far about the Wewelsburg Working (including a lengthy
    excerpt from the paper "the Wewelsburg Working", which Balanone
    posted in a message to me on February 21), it does indeed seem
    likely that Aquino and the Order of the Trapezoid are concerned
    about such matters, though from a mostly nonpolitical perspective.
    .
    Tim also quotes Aquino's review of MEIN KAMPF (14F):
    .
    MA > Everyone knows that this is 'the most evil book ever
    written', but few have taken the time to actually read it,
    hence cannot really explain why. Further complicating the
    situation is Hitler's interspersion of political philosophy
    (interesting) with emotional tirades (not so interesting).
    Look for the discussions concerning the selection of
    leaders, control of the masses, and the justification for
    human social organization. You may be surprised at what you
    discover.
    .
    Tim, have you ever read MEIN KAMPF? I never did read the whole
    thing, but I read about half of it back when I was in college and,
    while I can't remember very many specifics, I do remember having a
    reaction quite similar to Aquino's review; and I'm certainly not a
    Nazi sympathizer.
    .
    The "emotional tirades (not so interesting)" are the rants against
    Jews, against Communists, and against democracy -- in short,
    everything we ordinarily think of as Nazism. These "tirades" are,
    however, interspersed with some very clear-headed insights into the
    workings of politics in general. And indeed, Hitler *had to* have
    had some profound insights into the workings of politics, or he
    couldn't have been as successful as he was. Those insights may well
    be worth learning from. I should probably read them again someday.
    .
    TM > Apparently, the only flaw of Nazism was that it took
    its great ideas too far. Aquino thinks of Nazism as a
    wonderful movement that went wrong. Therefore, it seems
    fair to refer to him as a Nazi sympathizer, though perhaps
    not as a Neo-Nazi.
    .
    One problem here is the vagueness of the term "Nazi sympathizer", as distinguished from "Neo-Nazi". My idea of a "Nazi sympathizer" who
    is not a "Neo-Nazi" would be a person who doesn't just admire some
    aspects of Nazi philosophy (however central he perceives those
    aspects to be) but is also a self-identified racist (at least when
    talking to other racists) and thinks Bush is too liberal, yet who
    has assorted minor disagreements with today's neo-Nazi organizations
    (or perhaps just thinks neo-Nazism is a lost cause). Can a person
    who does not endorse "Nordic" xenophobia be meaningfully called a
    "Nazi sympathizer", even if that person thinks Nazism had some
    admirable qualities (and even if that person is counterproductively
    defensive about his admiration for those qualities)?
    .
    TM > It could of course be objected that these selections
    are out of context. Both length and copyright
    considerations prevent quoting the entire file here,
    [...]
    However, a book-by-book breakdown by category is
    appropriate. Here is a summary of the classifications,
    followed by an in-depth explanation and listing of each
    category. I believe the numbers speak for themselves.
    PRO-NAZI (7)
    BOTH ANTI-NAZI AND ANTI-COMMUNIST (2)
    ANTI-NAZI (1)
    NAZI OCCULTISM (7)
    NON-NAZI OCCULTISM (2)
    NEUTRAL HISTORY (5)
    PRO-NAZI (7)
    Obviously, any investigation of Nazism must include a study
    of source materials from within the movement. Therefore,
    presentation of the opinions of Hitler, Rosenberg,
    Haushofer, etc., was not considered a criterion for
    classifying a source as pro-Nazi. These citations are
    considered pro-Nazi because Aquino's review praises their
    opinions, and those opinions are clearly pro-Nazi.
    .
    But *which* opinions does Aquino praise? Not all the opinions of
    a Nazi are specifically pro-Nazi; most Nazis, for example, were
    probably of the opinion that the sky is blue. Aquino never praises
    any specifically pro-Nazi opinions (except possibly in his review of
    14N, for which Oz Tech has provided an alternative explanation).
    Aquino merely asserts that the Nazi leaders had a lot of valuable
    political, philosophical, and magic(k)al insights, which
    magic(k)ians can learn from.
    .
    TM > NON-NAZI OCCULTISM (2)
    A surprisingly slim selection, considering how often Aquino
    and his associate in the Order of the Trapezoid, Stephen
    Flowers ("Edred Thorsson"), use the phrase "Germanic
    occultism" rather than "Nazi occultism". Obviously the
    preferred phrase is a euphemism.
    .
    No, a more likely reason for the "slim selection" of books on non-
    Nazi occultism is that there's no reason to include them in a
    section of the reading list on "Totalitarianism, Fascism, and
    Magic". A more logical place to list books on non-Nazi "Germanic
    occultism" would be in section 24 of the reading list, "Runic Arts
    and Sciences".
    .
    I would appreciate any comments anyone may have. Sometime in the
    next month or so, I will upload a revised version of this string of
    messages (revised in light of any worthwhile feedback I get,
    especially from ToS members and/or Tim) as a file on several
    bulletin boards.
    .
    I would especially appreciate it if anyone can provide clear,
    concise quotes from THE CRYSTAL TABLET or other official ToS
    literature which support or clarify any of the points I've made in
    these messages. Such quotes may also come in handy if I ever again
    have occasion to rebut an anti-Satanist article like Bonewits's "The
    Enemies of Our Enemies", one of whose key arguments was a claim that
    Satanic organizations, including ToS, are "extremely fascistic".
    (My response to that article can be downloaded from BaphoNet or
    HaditNet as the file DVeraBon.TXT, if anyone is interested.)

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