• RESPONSE TO TIM MARONEY'S "THE NAZI TRAPEZOID"

    From Larry Sneeringer@RICKSBBS to All on Thu Apr 23 06:12:22 2026
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    From : Ammond Shadowcraft 25-Nov-90 19:03:00

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    Date: Wed Nov 14, 1990 7:47 am MST
    From: Dr. Michael A. Aquino / MCI ID: 278-4041

    TO: * Michael Morgan / MCI ID: 421-3086

    RESPONSE TO TIM MARONEY'S "THE NAZI TRAPEZOID"

    by-
    Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D.
    High Priest
    Temple of Set
    Post Office Box 470307
    San Francisco, CA 94147
    MCI-Mail: 278-4041

    A correspondent has recently provided me with a copy of a BBS essay
    by Tim Maroney entitled "The Nazi Trapezoid" - essentially an
    accusation that the Temple of Set's Order of the Trapezoid and myself
    are Nazi-sympathetic. [Maroney did not show me the courtesy of
    providing me with a copy directly.]

    Maroney first appeared as a conversationalist on the Weirdbase BBS,
    via which I occasionally offered some comments about magical &
    philosophical subjects. In Maroney's case it soon became apparent,
    however, that he was simply interested in picking a fight about Nazism
    - evidently a personal fetish of his.

    After being patient with Maroney's abuse and insults for longer than
    I felt courtesy required, I finally declined to gratify his emotional
    need for confrontation any further and simply ignored his electronic
    vitriol. Thus frustrated, he appears to have channeled his ardent
    Naziphobia into this BBS tract of his, to which at least a brief
    response is in order:

    Within the Temple of Set are several specialized Orders (somewhat
    analogous to the departments of a university). One of these is the
    Order of the Trapezoid.

    In actuality this particular Order is concerned with a great many
    areas of research, of which north European [including Nazi German]
    occultism is only one. Others include time/space sciences, proxemics,
    art & architecture (particularly Expressionism, Art
    Nouveau/Deco/Moderne), electronics (Tesla et al.), _film noir_,
    Lovecraftian literature, music & the electromagnetic spectrum, mental
    sciences, etc.

    To the extent the Order is interested in Nazi Germany, it is
    essentially with regard to the very extensive research into occultism
    conducted by the Ahnenerbe and other groups & individuals during that
    period. To study and evaluate such material is not to endorse Nazi
    Germany generally, any more than a political scientist who studies Nazi
    political culture is thereby an apologist for it. In his selective and
    out-of-context quoting from the Order's informational paper, Maroney
    somehow neglects to mention the following very central passage:

    "The Order of the Trapezoid extracts the positive, the
    constructive, the exalted, and the Romantic from the Germanic magical
    tradition - and just as carefully avoids and rejects those excesses,
    distortions, and cruelties which have made this tradition an object
    of the most extraordinary fear, condemnation, and suppression in the
    postwar period. The Germanic tradition is also part of the legacy of
    the Prince of Darkness, hence is appropriate to an Order within the
    Temple of Set, which embraces all manifestations of the Powers of
    Darkness in the world.

    "Nevertheless the care required in any investigation into this
    tradition cannot be overemphasized. Magical and research ability are
    not enough; ethical sensitivity and social discretion are just as
    important. The prospects for new and wondrous perspectives on the
    Black Art are exhilarating, but success will come only if the Order
    conducts its affairs with the same dedication and nobility that have
    made the Temple of Set a legend in its time."

    Maroney's accusation that I refuse to make my opinions on Nazi
    Germany explicit is absurd. I have always deplored its premises,
    policies, and activities which resulted in savagery and misery to a
    great many people. Equally emphatically I have deplored premises,
    policies, and activities by other countries which resulted in savagery
    and misery at the same time in history [and in other eras as well].

    This, apparently, is not enough for Maroney, who froths with fury at
    the notion that there could be anything at all about the Third Reich
    not deserving of instant and unqualified condemnation - or at the
    heresy that its antagonists were not all lily-white angels of racial
    equality, religious tolerance, and all-round political purity.

    As Maroney spends a great deal of time ranting about the supposed
    fascist-sympathy of the Temple of Set's reading list, I suppose a word
    or two about that is called for.

    That reading list consists of well over a hundred books in 24
    specialized categories of magical and philosophical research. Some of
    these are well-known books accepted without a blink in current secular
    society. Others are books that cause or have caused a good deal of
    controversy because of their statement of facts or expression of
    opinions distasteful to current secular society.

    The Temple of Set agrees with Plato that the search for truth should
    not be "democratized": Whether an idea is palatable or not, popular or
    not, should not justify its promotion or suppression. All data must be
    looked at carefully and dispassionately if a true picture of the topic
    in question is to emerge. This is, at least theoretically, the aim of
    reputable modern universities - but even they, in light of popular
    sentiment, must not dare to question certain sacred cows.

    Times change. When my mother attended Stanford University in the
    1920s, women students could not be too intellectual or accomplished
    without being ostracized. It was taken for granted that women were
    genetically inferior to men, just as in this same country it was taken
    for granted that Blacks, Native Americans, and Orientals were
    genetically inferior to Caucasians. American Jews were routinely
    discriminated against in all sectors of society.

    Maroney evidently imagines that racism and anti-semitism appeared by
    magic in Nazi Germany exclusively in the early 20th century. What the
    Temple of Set understands, and what a _comprehensive_ tour of its
    reading list demonstrates, is that the impulses behind prejudice of any
    sort - religious, racial, sexual, etc. - are present in _all_ cultures.
    Show me a person - perhaps Maroney would care to volunteer? - who
    believes himself beyond all bias, and I'll show you a victim of tragic
    - and dangerous - self-deceit.

    Ultimately the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If the Order
    of the Trapezoid is so dangerously fascist, where are the stormtroopers
    it has spawned? The riots? The revolutions? But wait: If we are to
    believe Maroney, it is the very _absence_ of conspicuous neo-Nazism in
    the Order's actual accomplishments that makes it all the more
    frightful. As for Michael Aquino, Maroney's baleful portrait reminds me
    charmingly of an H.P. Lovecraft passage in his _Strange Case of Charles
    Dexter Ward_:

    "By 1760 Joseph Curwen was virtually an outcast, suspected of
    vague horrors and demonic alliances which seemed all the more
    sinister because they could not be named, understood, or even proved
    to exist."

    Sorry about that. But I am not about to cease my quest for the Grail
    of Truth simply to appease the private neuroses of the Maroneys of the
    World. Indeed I might respond with a quote from Abraham Lincoln, who
    during the Civil War was also vilified for being insufficiently
    supportive of various popular passions of that troubled time:

    "If I were to try to read, much less answer all the attacks made
    on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do
    the very best I know how - the very best I can, and I mean to keep
    doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what is
    said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out
    wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference."

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    Note: Here from Oz Tech is a response to Tim Maroney's article on
    the Nazi Trapezoid. I know from personal experience that Oz Tech is a
    member of the Temple of Set and that this electronic mail bore her
    mundane network address header.
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    Thank you for forwarding Maroney's "Trapezoid" article and for
    asking about it.

    As you well know, I am a member of the Priesthood of Set. Upon
    meeting with Dr. Stephen Edred Flowers a few years ago and discussing
    my interests I was extended an invitation to join the Order of the
    Trapezoid. I have participated in the mysteries of that Order. I have
    examined past and present publications, corresponded with many Setians
    and traveled to several parts of the continent to meet Setians in
    person. I am black. I have also been a member of the ACLU for over ten
    years.

    Nazism is a totalitarian ideology based on bogus notions of racial
    supremacy, blood & land. If the Temple of Set were actually a neo-Nazi
    front I think would have *noticed*.

    The doctrines and practices of the Temple of Set, and those of the
    Order of the Trapezoid, are neither totalitarian nor racist.

    Questing after "Nazi occultism", and having no real knowledge of the
    Order of the Trapezoid's work, Tim Maroney fails to mention the 36
    other books outside "Fascism, Totalitarianism and Magic" that are
    marked in the reading list as titles of importance to the Order of the
    Trapezoid.

    So eager is he to identify Order interest in Germanic magic with
    "Nazi occultism" he =ignores= "Runic Arts and Sciences", the section
    devoted to pre-Christian occult practices in Europe.

    As for the many other OT-recommended books--the texts on Pythagorean
    philosophy, sacred geometry, archeology and archetypes in fiction--he
    ignores them, having made up his mind: this is surely a front for a
    Hitler admiration society

    His references to "evasion" and "plausible deniability" seem to
    derive from his fury at being brushed off by Dr. Aquino on the net some
    months ago. Dr. Aquino has dealt with so many fruitcake conspiracy
    buffs that to him Maroney is probably just another dragonslayer a la
    Geraldo.

    What of the re-formulation of the Order of the Trapezoid at
    Wewelburg Castle? Here again the intent is magically precise.

    Any occultist or neo-Pagan familiar with the pre-Christian history
    of Europe knows that the continent is crossed by "ley lines" of
    telluric current. Pennick's book, HITLER'S SECRET SCIENCES, describes
    how the geomancer Himmler sought out key points on ley lines for his SS
    buildings: "Deeply conscious of the magical aspect of earth mysteries,
    by a seemingly innocent interest in the preservation of ancient
    monuments he managed to gain personal control of those places he
    considered magically powerful." (What is more, that book describes a
    similar study of geomancy used by the Jesuits in their spiritual
    conquest of Europe and the southwestern territories of the New World!)

    The Wewelburg is one such site. In the eyes of a materialist, the
    use of a "power spot" formerly held by Nazis is support of Nazism. In
    the eyes of a trained occultist it is no such thing. The elemental
    forces in such a place are not "Nazi" any more than the water arising
    from a spring is "Native American" or "French" or "Republican". Tim
    Maroney infers that the use of this site implies Nazism within the
    Order of the Trapezoid. It would be as logical to infer that the
    cathedrals of Europe are host to the pagan worship formerly carried on
    at those sites: logical, but dead wrong.

    Lest there be any doubt: the SS catechism explains that the Nazi
    ethos is squarely based on belief in God. The candidate swore to serve
    Hitler as an agent of God! There is Hitler's own brazen oath, "By
    resisting the Jews, I strive for the work of the Lord". We have
    nothing to do with this religious insanity. In the Order of the
    Trapezoid the candidate swears an oath to one master only: to his or
    her immortal fylga, the numinous Self.

    Indeed, this is true of all Temple practices. We swear no oaths to
    mystic masters, high priests, books or even to Set. Selfhood alone
    binds the individual to his or her destiny.

    For all Tim Maroney's claims about human dignity, he cannot clearly
    distinguish friend from foe.

    What? Tim says this reading list lacks books on the Holocaust? Well,
    if we thought genocide was a magical technique we'd surely have
    included a few--but we don't!

    What's magically important about the Nazi is not that they butchered
    millions--rather, it's that they bewitched seemingly "rational" people
    into helping them.

    THAT is magic, a magic that must be understood instead of drugging
    ourselves with the opium of righteousness. Between Aquino's offer of
    knowledge and Maroney's dire warnings against moral contamination, I
    feel it is a simple choice, though not a comfortable one.

    Oz Tech

    Note: I received more comments from Oz Tech from her normal net
    mail address.
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    Thanks for posting my response.

    I don't know if it will do much good, actually, since for most
    folks, fantasies about wicked conspiracy elsewhere are far more
    delicious than self-recognition. (Dr. Aquino scored a true hit when he
    took the measure of Maroney's obsession and jokingly asked if he had a
    wish to be flogged by an SS she-devil. I know Tim will *never* forgive
    him. Would-be dragonslayers never have a sense of humor.)

    Some of our best applicants to the Temple have come from those who
    saw Aquino speak of his philosophy on the Geraldo show while being
    attacked by folks who were not playing with a full deck. I doubt the
    Usenet readership will come running to the Temple gates but I am sure a
    few can comprehend & respect the Setian way, whether it is their way or
    not.

    Oz Tech
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    So while Tim has gone out of his way to question the motives of the
    Temple of Set's Order of the Trapezoid, one among ten orders, no one
    has seen fit to question Tim's motives. Why? Because Tim is
    cantankerous. He's hard to work with. Confronting him requires time
    and effort. And that's as it should be. He does his part and we do
    ours. If either side drops the ball the outcome of the game is
    diminished. So let's avoid the issue of confronting Tim. He's a lost
    cause, but he does some really wonderful things for the magikal
    communities.

    Let's thank him instead. In the last year or so Tim has been on a
    nice little campaign to expose neo-Pagan and Wiccan prejudice. The
    Nazi Trapezoid article has nicely brought to surface some neo-Pagan
    prejudice. The Trickster manifests in Tim quite well. Where the
    Trickster is involved, the left hand need not know what the right
    hand is doing. In fact it works better if all parties are unaware
    of the Trickster's capricious devices. We owe Tim many thanks for
    exposing these prejudices. Thanx Tim.

    This has been a very good thing for the Temple of Set. Neo-Pagan
    prejudice has been exposed, the Temple's ethics and Orders have been
    fully advertised--complete with snail and MCI mail addresses--and Dr.
    Aquino has had a chance to address these problems here and on Usenet.

    Why am I doing all this work to defend the Temple of Set? I believe
    in intellectual freedom. Furthermore, I despise prejudice, hidden or
    overt. I think it is a damn shame that many neo-Pagans suffer from
    the same problems they ardently struggle against. These are the ones
    who enjoyed Tim's article and who suddenly found themselves at the
    bottom of his slippery slope. OOOOPPPSS...

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