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    From Ricky Sutphin@RICKSBBS to All on Mon Dec 16 06:23:00 2024
    HANGER18.THD
    Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO
    Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
    It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time.
    This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that
    the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was.
    There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in
    to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the
    Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse.
    File length just over four typed pages.
    An additional source for this subject is "The Roswell Incident"
    by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.
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    From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89
    I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine was
    stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERY
    HEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by a
    aircraft carrier back in the early '50s.
    Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson who
    said "I've seen some strange business that I can't talk about", when
    I asked about the rumors the UFO's stored there.
    * Origin: Astral Board (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566
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    From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89
    My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in
    Indiana now so I don't get to talk to her as much as I would like.
    Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried
    out by scientists there.
    * Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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    From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89
    Well,I don't know any major details about it other than what I
    told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up
    alot of wreckage. I don't know why they shot it or if there were any
    bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of
    the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They
    made him go through a metal detector before he left.
    * Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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    From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89
    I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years
    and although there were lots of rumors about UFO's, no one ever saw
    anything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangar
    on that base, and believe me, there ain't no such animal. You now
    have an authoratative source that says - wherever they is, they
    ain't at Wright-Pat.!!!
    * Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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    From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89
    Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. It
    would be stupid to keep it in the same place long.
    A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the
    Army back in the 50's. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter
    researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group.
    The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it
    broke up in the late '50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery
    operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled
    from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the
    army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.
    * Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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    From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89
    On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or some
    long time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent in
    to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray never
    came on again with the follow up he was expecting to get.
    Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was denied
    access to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in this
    file). And you got in easily, with no instructions about secrecy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Paranet messages:
    Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
    Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see later
    correction) and see if you can get inside of the large black hanger
    at the back of the base, after you have seen the inside of it then
    come tell me the A.F. doesn't believe in UFOs.
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    Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi
    The entire time that I was in the Air Force (over 12 years) I
    only knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.
    That was because he worked there. It seems that the government did
    not like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so the
    control of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into the
    hands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly a
    branch of the U.S. Marshall's Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).
    Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do an
    inventory. He said that the items that were in those buildings
    could not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but the
    time I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will try
    to get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for me
    just what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get it
    onto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed at
    the outside.
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    Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
    Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tell
    you this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambled
    more than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would
    not tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened all
    aircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.
    Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would not
    tell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four times
    while I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many times
    total that it has happened. I just have to accept that they saw
    something that was not of standard aircraft design and until they are
    allowed to come forward with eye-witness reports, it will continue
    to be a rumor generating mill.
    (End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
    Joe - First, and I think symptomatic of the messages - Wright
    Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It's in Fairborne Ohio, a short
    distance from Dayton. It's also the home of the Air Force Logistics
    Center, a SAC refueling wing and the home of the analysis section for spacecraft observation photos.
    Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (and
    always had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pair
    of binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you go
    to the Air Force Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. No
    guards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come in
    from the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -
    this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as your
    friend who maybe even visited WP (even though it's never been in
    Ill...).
    In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over there
    and see for yourself. It's an open base, and unless you screw around
    the SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures at
    will. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
    During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
    last 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believe
    me, there's no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?
    * Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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    From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
    Joe - why do you think those messages have the dates they do?
    April 1 !!!
    * Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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    From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
    Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study the
    anatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information is
    contradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger
    18 is accessible.
    >How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
    During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
    last 29 years<
    The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,
    42 years, back to 1947 when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. There
    might also be a question about which building it is.
    The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated
    1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out from
    him, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letter
    does not say hanger 18, but rather "a facility at Wright Patterson".
    This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe.
    But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this is
    Hanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted in
    another quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but "in the
    building where the information is stored". Note the word is not "the
    UFO" but "the information". The magazine appears not to have strictly
    conformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented.
    The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time "almost ten
    years" earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said in
    your message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on the
    scene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting second
    hand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it might
    seem from having gotten the location wrong.
    I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,
    when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missed
    the wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I'm glad I chose to
    repeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.
    *Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591
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    From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89
    Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater about Wright-Patterson: --------------------------------------------------------------------
    United States Senate
    Commitee on Commerce, Science,
    and Transportation
    Washington DC 20510

    April 11, 1979

    Mr. Lee M Graham
    526 West Maple
    Monrovia, California 91016

    Dear Mr. Graham:

    It is true I was denied access to a faclity at
    Wright-Patterson. Because I never got in, I can't
    tell you what was inside. We both know about the
    rumors.

    Apart from that, let me make my position clear: I
    do not beleive that we are the only planet, and of
    some two billion that exist, that has life on it. I
    have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have
    intelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argue
    either way.

    Sincerely,
    (Signature)
    Barry Goldwater.
    ---------------------------
    Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41
    See also page 3.
    351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.
    ====
    From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
    Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as on
    the east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy to
    check! I had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someone
    would miss on a thing like that. Well, I'm the one who goes around
    reminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,
    and trying to get people to do it.
    If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk went
    somewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be a
    question, although there could be a number of reasons. If the
    expertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,
    as it does now, then that's a possible answer. Also, you say they
    look at the space photos there.
    However, it would have soon become evident, from your
    description, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,
    so it would have been reasonable to move it.
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    File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.



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