• LAZAR'S CREDIBILITY DAMAGED

    From Cori Schnieder@RICKSBBS to All on Mon Jul 13 06:10:54 2026
    June 7, 1990

    Recently ParaNet received a call from Gene Huff, Las Vegas real
    estate appraiser and close friend of Robert Lazar, stating that he
    wished to place a clarification on ParaNet for the record regarding
    Lazar's recent felony indictment on a count of Pandering in Las
    Vegas, Nevada by the Clark County Sheriff's Department. Lazar, in a
    public statement made on KLAS-TV in April, admittedly told on camera
    that he had been involved in a brothel in the Las Vegas area by
    assisting in the installation of computer and security equipment.
    Shortly after that, following an investigation by authorities,
    charges were brought against Lazar. He could get up to five years if
    convicted.

    The big question now is: Does this damage Lazar's credibility along
    with KLAS-TV reporter George Knapp, who featured Lazar on a news
    special in November 1989? According to Huff and the statement that
    follows, the answer is a big no.

    What has further clouded the issue has been Bill Cooper's attacks on
    Lazar and Knapp for their participation in what Cooper calls
    "government disinformation activity." Cooper, a self-styled UFO
    "guru" who claims to have seen super-secret UFO documents aboard a
    Navy ship while enlisted in the early 1970s, has made various
    statements about Lazar, Lear, Knapp and a host of other UFO
    researchers being government agents intent on disinforming the
    public.

    The following is a letter received via ParaFAX on June 4, 1990 from
    Gene Huff.

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    Mike,

    I am a Las Vegas real estate appraiser and I have known Bob Lazar
    since late 1985, John Lear since mid-1988, and George Knapp since
    early 1989. I thought some of the members of your service [ParaNet]
    might need some actual FACTS regarding some of the accusations and
    allegations made by Milton W. Cooper. I've written the following
    pages which you may use, if you choose to do so.

    MILTON W. COOPER IS A LIAR. Period.

    So Cooper learned poker from granny and love from Annie, huh? Too
    bad he didn't learn anything from George Washington and the cherry
    tree briefing. The actual story of the "Bob Lazar-prostitution
    connection" is as follows: Bob Lazar and his late first wife, Carol,
    owned a legal brothel in northern Nevada during the early 1980's, so
    Bob was familiar with the brothel business. Recently, he ran into a
    hooker who was running a small brothel here in Las Vegas. Bob gave
    her a bunch of ideas on how she could efficiently run her business.
    She asked him to help her and said she would pay him for his
    consultation. I guess this kind of parallels attorneys receiving
    their fees from clients with questionable vocations, but I won't
    argue that point here. He helped her by installing a computer, doing
    some computer programming, accounting, installing security cameras
    and monitors, etc. When all of the systems were running smoothly, Bob
    was going to leave as he felt he had already received money
    commensurate with what he felt he had contributed. She offered him
    money just to stay around and do nothing, which seemed strange, but
    Bob was going to part ways anyway, and the worst thing that could
    have happened, happened. this hooker had fallen madly in love with
    Bob. In a serious talk, she made her feelings known to him. She asked
    how sexually attractive she was to him on a scale from 1 to 10.
    Bob "Mr. Compassion" Lazar told her that, to him, she was a 1. She
    cried for a day and a half.

    This news was impossible to take for a woman who had for years
    had men calling her on a daily basis offering to pay her money to
    have sex with her. As it ends up, she is a Las Vegas Metro Vice,
    FBI, and DEA informant. Now she has implicated him as being much
    more involved than he actually was, for obvious motives. He has
    not yet been charged, but with her connections, it appears certain
    that he will be. this was all exposed by Bob Lazar ON TELEVISION
    here in Las Vegas. This required no investigation by Cooper or
    the knuckleheads from vice. There is much more to this story which
    is better saved until Bob Lazar's freedom is certain.

    The story of Bob Lazar running a drug lab is totally false. He is
    currently doing some research at a small, privately funded lab here
    in Las Vegas. The lab was recently randomly visited by one active
    duty Las Vegas cop, and another ex-Las Vegas cop who both witnessed
    that nothing illegal or as ludicrous as drug manufacturing was
    going on there. Naturally, Sherlock Cooper didn't know this.

    These are just two more classic examples of Cooper
    misinterpreting an elementary body of information and jumbling it to
    fit his distorted view of the world around him. This leaves only
    Cooper to interpret what is "truth" while draped in an American
    flag. Cooper labels his opponents as part of a government
    band of conspirators, which is anyone who doesn't believe him,
    disagrees with him, or actually knows and understands the
    true source of his information, which in turn, is anyone who has
    ever heard him speak or has read what he has written.

    Cooper speaks as though Bob Lazar and John Lear are one item.
    These are two separate men with very different ideas. Bob Lazar's
    story is not phony, and he is not part of a band of government
    agents. I knew him before he met John Lear, and before he
    worked at S 4. I was with him the first and second times he met
    Lear and they had no prior contact before that. As far as one of
    them working for the other, what a joke.

    I was present at both of Bob Lazar's polygraph sessions. These
    were prior to George Knapp's November 1989 special. the first
    night included two polygraphs with the same identical questions
    being asked both times. He passed one and failed on. This is why
    the results were considered inconclusive by the first polygrapher
    and subsequent tests were suggested BY THE POLYGRAPHER. The
    second test was done at a completely different company, about a
    month later. Similar, but different questions were asked and Bob
    Lazar passed. The polygraphs from the second night were then
    reviewed by another polygrapher who also agreed that he had passed.
    The polygraphs from the second night were then sent to a third
    polygrapher in San Francisco, who was of the opinion that the Federal
    government wouldn't lie about something like this, and he said he
    thought the results were inconclusive. So to be fair, George Knapp
    said the results were inconclusive. Actually, four polygraphers
    reviewed the two night's tests. One polygrapher stated the first
    night's tests were inconclusive. Two polygraphers stated that he
    had passed the second night's tests, and one polygrapher thought
    the second night's tests were inconclusive. This doesn't sound
    like as big of a failure as Cooper makes it, does it?

    The problem with Cooper's polygraph challenge is two-fold. First,
    one of those challenged want to associate publicly or privately
    with Cooper. Second, when someone actually believes their lies,
    they register as truth on the polygraph. So for obvious reasons,
    there is nothing to be gained by those challenged. Although
    you must admit, Cooper and a polygraph is an amusing thought.

    Bob Lazar does NOT develop dosimeter badges at Los Alamos and
    Sandia labs. He manufactures and repairs alpha radiation probes.
    He even owns a patent on one particular kind. Even an amateur
    sleuth like Cooper could have access to that information.

    Cooper is on the record on the Billy Goodman show as stating that
    he checked Bob Lazar out, and that what Bob Lazar was stating
    was true. (Not that Bob Lazar cared what Cooper thought.) I
    guess Cooper has a lot of trouble with these sudden changes of mind.

    Cooper overstated his exposure to Bob Lazar via John Lear. Bob
    met Cooper twice at Lear's house. Kris, Bob's sister-in-law, was
    with him one time, and they both came home of the opinion that
    Cooper was crazy. The second time, I was invited but declined
    since it appeared obvious to me that Cooper had taken the Kennedy
    assassination information from the film "Dallas Revisited,"
    narrated by Lars Hansen, and I did not want to associate with
    Cooper in public, or privately. Bob went as a favor to John
    Lear and although can't remember if anyone accompanied him, his
    opinion of Cooper didn't change.

    Cooper acts as though Lear and Lazar were "leaking"
    information to him. Remember, only recently has Cooper become the
    "World's Leading Authority on UFOs." Back then he was just a sailor
    who said he saw a craft when he was in the Navy, no one worthy of
    "leaking" anything to. And in reality that's all that Cooper WASN'T
    and ISN'T important enough to perform for, even in a joking manner.
    He shouldn't flatter himself in thinking that the government would
    launch an attack on him. No one needs to discredit Cooper, he has
    discredited himself. Those groups that want to march to
    Washington to get amnesty for secret project participants who want
    to speak out, had better not go there with Cooper. Anyone that can
    access the classified library (and there are thousands nationwide),
    knows that many of the dates and events Cooper speaks about are
    inaccurate. And the events and dates that are accurate have
    generally been stated on the record by others BEFORE Cooper is on
    the record as having stated them. Anyway, he'd get laughed out
    of Washington. This Cooper controversy appears to pretty much
    be a regional issue in the West and Southwest U.S., thanks to the
    Billy Goodman show, and now Cooper has turned on him, too. Authors
    and researchers from all over the world have come to Las Vegas and
    met Bob Lazar. The one common denominator that links all of them is
    that they all know of at least one instance in which they don't
    believe Cooper, either. This list of people includes, but is
    certainly not limited to, Timothy Goode, Linda Howe, Jacques'
    Vallee', Budd Hopkins, Bill Moore, etc. Incidentally, Bob Lazar
    chose not to meet with Bill Moore. Within the first 15 minutes
    George Knapp and I talked to Moore, Moore admitted not only lying
    and giving out disinformation, he also said that he was the one
    who had stolen the missing "metal" from the Billy Meier's
    investigators. He said he had it analyzed and it could have been
    made here on Earth. Since he was a self professed liar and thief,
    Bob Lazar declined to meet him. We still wonder why he didn't
    let the stolen Meier's metal resurface if it was a fake. Maybe he
    lied about that, too. Anyway, it's a shame, because he's
    an intelligent man and he could be a positive force.

    Cooper's claims about Project Excalibur and O.H. Krill will be
    covered in an upcoming issue of UFO Magazine so I won't go into
    that here.

    I have seen polaroid pictures of Falcon and Condor from the set of
    the Fox Television Network a couple of years ago. I don't know if
    their segments were taped or live, however, these pictures were
    taken by two guys who had access to the set. I did not recognize
    either of the gentlemen, but neither was John Lear. If someone
    wanted to investigate whether or not John Lear is Condor, I
    suggest that someone find out from the producers of the show when
    Falcon and Condor did their segments. At that time, John Lear was
    flying for American Trans Air as an L-1011 captain on flights to
    Hawaii, Germany, etc. The flight logs should at least be able to
    narrow down whether Lear was in the air or for that matter even in
    this country at the time Falcon and Condor were present. Although
    I personally find it hard to believe that anyone would care enough
    one way or another to go through that much trouble. Since
    George Knapp's May 1990 special news segments, Cooper has
    been recorded on audio tape in a conversation with a Las
    Vegas resident as saying that he's so pissed that Lear exposed him
    as lying about the O.H. Krill papers that if Lear were in front of
    him right then, he'd "Shoot the son of a bitch." Yet through all of
    Cooper's attacks on Lear, Lear still insists that Cooper had an
    original contribution. If that's true, it's unfortunate because
    it has now been lost because of Cooper's subsequent actions.
    This is a waste because even though Cooper is an amateurish writer
    (as am I), he is a semi-adequate public speaker who arouses people.
    If people will take Cooper's advice and read and investigator for
    themselves, I'm sure they'll make their own decisions on Cooper soon
    enough.

    George Knapp was not AFRAID to call Cooper prior to his
    special. Knapp had previously interviewed Cooper and had
    apparently heard enough back then. Cooper got his rightful share of
    time in both of Knapp's specials. George Knapp's career is not in
    danger. Knapp knows more about Lazar than does the general
    public, which includes Cooper. Knapp is just required to establish
    Lazar's credentials before moving on to some of the more exciting
    subjects Bob Lazar has commented on. Hopefully Knapp will make
    his May 1990 news segments into an expanded special so we can
    possibly hear some more testimony as to Cooper's credibility.

    Cooper has publicly stated that he will tell his version of the
    show of force by the gray aliens in central Nevada in 1979 in his
    upcoming book. I hope it's not the same story Bob Lazar and I told
    on the Billy Goodman show in 1989. I would hate for that story to
    have mysteriously made it from the radio in 1989 all the way back to
    the reports Cooper allegedly read between 1970 and 1973. After
    all, this event hadn't even happened yet. Not even Cooper could try
    that, could he?

    Through all of this I have noticed only one solid connection with
    Cooper and the Nixon Administration and that is that both Milton W.
    Cooper and Richard M. Nixon both have upper lips which perspire
    profusely when they're lying.

    I guess the most amusing thing that has happened in the last two
    years is that know Cooper has suddenly become a tough guy, at least
    through his eyes. He calls everyone else wimps, and liars, and
    traitors. I and many others are of the opinion that if they cast
    for the part of WIMPY in the broadway version of POPEYE, Cooper
    would be a lock for the part. And if indeed information, not money,
    is the power of the 90's, Cooper will keep "borrowing" from everyone
    involved, but don't worry, he'll gladly pay you Tuesday.

    When all of the dust has settled, I don't think Milton W.
    Cooper's nickname will any longer be Bill. I think it could be
    Willie or probably even "Uncle Miltie," after all if the shoe
    fits, right?

    Gene Huff

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