Filename: Phoeni14.Thd
Type : Message Thread
Author : Jack Mathias
Date : 11/28/92
Desc : Rebuttal to Ed Stewart

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Re: Phoenix project From Ed Stewart To Joseph Harris 11-26-92 07:17

-=> Quoting Joseph Harris to Jack Mathias <=-

JH> (and I STILL want to hear the reasoning behind letting this report
JH> sit on a shelf for three years.)

ES> Believe me you don't want to hear it! ...but promised to provide me
ES> with material later after they contacted their alleged "inside
ES> experts within the Phoenix Group".

ES> Sure enough two days later Jack Mathias downloaded a file directly
ES> to me and suggested I could do with it what I wish with only one
ES> consideration. Remove all references to the Phoenix Project if I
ES> chose to make it public because of the "difficulties" they were
ES> experiencing with Paranet.

Ed...

The way I remember it is that the file I downloaded to you was
information on 1989FC and had nothing to do with the question
referenced by Joseph. However the way I recall our meeting the question
in point was answered. The reason that it took a couple of years for
the report to be transmitted was because the Phoenix Project *had*
never intended on submitting it. The only reason it was released was
because I, myself, pestered the team in my belief that this information
should be released -- that we should allow those interested in UFOs,
etc, to perhaps gain more knowledge and insight. Which, as it now
appears, turned out being bad judgement on my part.

ES> After I analyzed the file contents I privately secured the
ES> assistance and technical expertise of individuals in the Space
ES> Program that I have access to through GENIE and found out that
ES> their "reason for three year delay story" has more holes and
ES> misinformation than what we have already been exposed to and is
ES> simply utter nonsense.

Your initial response to the file I gave you was -- as stated -- from
information taken from GENIE and concerned 1989FC. I believe it was the
idea that 1989FC never existed and that the probe currently on station
mapping Venus was never diverted to track its course. It had nothing to
do with any of the published reports. If the asteroid doesn't or didn't
exist then the newspapers printed falsehood at the time. Making the
article in last weeks [I believe] Newsweek also a falsehood since it
referred to this.

ES> Once misinformation becomes public, someone somewhere will always
ES> chose to believe it.

Believe it or not I go along with that thought. It is also true that
once individuals or groups decide that a piece is filled with lies and
loop-holes that have not been explained to *their* satisfaction and
state such, this information is also retained by those reading it thus
doing nothing but deepening the mystery, etc., and casting suspicious
eyes at the group submitting the information.

ES> But rest assure, if they ever answer your query (which I seriously
ES> doubt they will ever do) and publicize the material they gave me as
ES> the reason, I am prepared and WILL respond publicly to the
ES> misinformation that is in the file contents. BTW, I am still
ES> waiting for their answer on the F-4s on my query to them from over
ES> two months ago.

I have now received the files that Joseph has been nice enough to put
into this echo for me and I must say that I found them interesting.
However it is still my contention -- and that of the team -- that
nothing has been disproved. I will say -- and I have mentioned this to
Steve and Joseph on several occasions -- I am a bit disappointed that
the *Team* chose not to respond to the files and they were made public.

I, myself, am considering responding, in sorts, to Joesph in regards to
his messages and also to the file released by Michael Corbin in which
he addressed Don Kircher's 10/23/92 report because I still feel that
something should be said. I do not believe for one instant that the
book is closed. After all, unless one experiences something it will
always remain hard for others who haven't, to believe.

Sincerely, Jack Mathias


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