Filename: Phoenix8.Reb
Type : Rebuttal
Author : Joseph Harris
Date : 10/26/92
Desc : Rebuttal to Jack Mathias
Note : Also See Phoenix7.Reb (Phoenix7.Zip)

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JM> And I also don't doubt the information supplied regarding your talk
JM> with officials at Beal. What he said is true. However the report
JM> never repeat never stated that the planes in question came out of
JM> Beal.

That doesn't jive with The Phoenix report Jack... here, I'll let you
read it again, and THEN tell me that the report "never, repeat never,
stated that the planes in question came out of Beale."

* * *

Memo
August 12, 1989
From Staff # 1
To: Staff # 2

Our contacts in the [Air Force] verify that on the [night] of
August 10, 1989, at the time indicated in Report # 1 of that date,
that eight F-4's, [scrambled from Beale [AFB]], CA. They had a
brief radar-lock, on a "bogie" in the area described. However, they
lost the target, [due to ground-] [clutter] when it suddenly
descended into the mountainous terrain. They returned to the base
when a further sweep of the area proved fruitless.

You're right, the [AF] had a blip on their radar, but lost it
when the ship dropped into that 20-mile approach corridor between
the valleys and the radar dead zone.

[ The bracketed portions are for emphasis.]
[ Each one will be discussed below... ]

* * *

This is a DIRECT quote from the report Jack. Anyone here who saves
reports like this can verify this for me.


JM> Nor did it claim whose planes they were.

The Air Force is mentioned 3 times in that one memo alone.

JM> Personally, I would think a F-4 equipped with nose cameras would be
JM> the ideal craft to be used if there might have been a chance to get
JM> pictures.

Ideal?


First, taking pics of the object with an F-4 is impossible unless they
take the jet pure vertical to take the picture. Their cameras are
pointed at the ground, not out in front of them. If they wanted to know
where the "object" was going, THEY WOULDN'T USE AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS
SLOWER THAN EVERY OTHER A.F. INTERCEPTOR!. The F-4s max speed is Mach
2. The F-15's max speed is 2.5! (roughly 350 mph faster than the F-4)
Also, for a prolonged chase, the F-15's range is required, and far
exceeds that of the F-4. The F-4s, with drop tanks, max out at 1978
miles. The F-15's range is 3,570 miles! (also with drop tanks)

The F-15 also has the "look-down" "shoot-down" radar, which means,
unlike the F-4, no target could get "lost" due to ground clutter.

Another major problem is that F-4s equipped for low level recon fly
VERY low, like, 100 feet off the deck.

THEY HAVE -NO- TERRAIN GUIDANCE EQUIPMENT.

It's entirely "seat-of-the-pants" flying by pilot skill alone. They fly
and take pictures during daylight hours only! Which also means, (guess
what?), THEIR CAMERAS CAN NOT TAKE PHOTOS AT NIGHT!

Your ideal aircraft to send up after a bogie?

Slow, blind, and toothless.


JM> But my thinking would be that these planes might be more interested
JM> in where the unknowns went and not what they were. I am sure they
JM> [the elite forces behind the mystery] have sufficient pictures of
JM> alien craft already.

Common Sense dictates that, even if you wanted to just "see where
they're going," the F-15 is the obvious choice. The G'vt could then go
in later and take as many detailed hi-alt pics of the area that they
wanted to with the U-2, or the SR-71, with no-one the wiser.

As John Hicks said, I too, have no axe to grind with you or the Phoenix
Project. I -DO- have an axe ready for deliberate mis-information.
Unfortunatly, I downloaded this mail after leaving the University of
Nevada's Library. Consequently, I will be preparing another report
about the rest of the K-2 claims shortly. I have to wait for one more
piece of mail before I can post this report, so please be patient.

JM> If the Phoenix Project has anything to say on this topic you can
JM> rest assured that I will transmit it.

Jack Do me a favor Jack, and ask them these questions for me:


1. How can 8 F-4s be scrambled from a base that has NEVER operated
fighter aircraft of ANY type?

3. Why did the Phoenix Project NOT follow standard scientific
procedures with regards to their magnatometer readings? (collect he
data, and then -verify- it by different means. Thermal Imaging,
ground penetrating radar, or ultra-sonics?)

And the biggie...

4. WHY DID THEY WAIT THREE YEARS BEFORE RELEASING THIS REPORT!?

Joe.


Jim Singleton
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