PART 2

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A Seminar on MAJIC 12 by Milton William Cooper
November 17th, 1989


Fellow Computer Enthusiasts, 11-24-89



What follows is a transcript of a 45 minute lecture that I attended on 11-17-89 at the "Whole Life Expo" in Los Angeles, California. Speaking was Mr. Milton William Cooper with whom I first
became acquainted through a text file I downloaded from a local computer BBS. The file dealt with the subject of UFO's and our government's concealment of the truth about them in such a way that
it made a lasting impression on me, which is why I attended his lecture; to learn more. Please forgive my probable misspelling of
some of the proper names in the transcript which follows and allow
that I have taken it as best I could, word-for-word, from a less than acceptable micro-cassette recording. If you are as moved by what you
are about to read as I was in hearing it first-hand, I ask that you
please spread it as far and wide as possible. Upload it to every BBS
in your reach and please, don't change anything. Also, please give considerable thought to Mr. Cooper's suggestions as to what we all
can do to see that this information is confirmed by our government to
make them stop what they are up to.

Thank you, and now, Milton Cooper:


"For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in
a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they came
to this country, have been government people. We have served in the military, we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we
care about this country and believe in the constitution of the United
States. We know, as many people don't know, that the Constitution of
the United States of America IS the United States of America ! And
that's why we've always been ready ...to do the things needed ...to preserve and protect it.

When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pilots, other pilots, my father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFO's, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you
hear that in passing, and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and
you go out and play `Space Man', and you forget it.

When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in
alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me; it interested
me, but it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these
stories would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said.


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When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this
is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally intended to just go from service to service and do something that
very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very
crazy ...young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine, U.S.S. Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Portland/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was our home port; the
Pearl Harbor sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer-
shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for
those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge, come up out
of the water approximately 2 1/2 nautical miles off the port bow,
which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the
clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of 2 1/2 nautical miles but, in reality it was moving pretty fast because it
came up out of the water, did a few tumbles and it was gone !

I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell
him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and
in case nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only looney
onboard the ship. So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover
that area, and he did, which is common for officers and lookouts to
help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang together
if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watching, the same
craft, or another craft exactly like it, came down out of the clouds,
tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball,
who was the officer of the deck, was literally shocked! What could I
say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and ensign Ball called the captain to the bridge who
was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35mm camera,
and we watched for between 7 and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly alike, enter and leave the water.
It was an incredible show. I don't know if they knew we were there,
or if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal,
they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were HUGE, and having been in the Air
Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a doubt,
and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this
Earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly
through the air at a speed like that, tumble on its own axis, and
enter the water and effectively fly beneath the sea.

If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a submarine.....I know there's probably some of you in this room who
have visited a submarine at one time or another.....you can readily
see just.....without even any of the technicalities involved.....how difficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built that
size ? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life because then
all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I
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It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Viet Nam. I was assigned as a patrol boat captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew and a multi-
million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelligence from
the people who lived around the harbor and the fishermen who transited the harbor, and maintain the safety and security of the
harbor and the shipping. After about 5 months I was sent up North to
the DMZ, to a place called Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river.
Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only 3 miles South
of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tacan
river from the river mouth to Dong Ha, and then up the Quang Tri
cutoff to Quang Tri city, again to get to know the people on the
bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the
safety and security of the river and the river traffic.

It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous
amount of UFO and alien activity in Viet Nam. It was always reported in official messages as `enemy helicopters.' Now any of
you who know anything about the Viet Nam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters.....especially after our
first couple of air raids into North Viet Nam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ
because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired
on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters'; enemy troops were fired
on occasionally by these `enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people
would disappear. And on one instance that I know for sure at least
one entire village disappeared one night due to alien activity. The
reason they used the term `enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet Nam you could be overrun at any time,
no matter where you were. We did not bring crypto encoding equipment
into Viet Nam. I'm talking about the machinery. What we did is we had
crypto tables, and once every 24-hours those codes would be no good.
So that's what we used. Also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, we had to devise code words such as `enemy helicopters.'

When I left Viet Nam I was eventually attached to the headquarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States
Pacific Fleet at Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor. It's a beautiful white building up there,
and I was specifically attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of
the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet.

It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbelievable
and so incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact
that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information let me give you a
little short course in security clearance and "the need to know" and
how you get to see classified information if you're in the military
or in the government, it doesn't matter which, the rules are the
same.



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Number One: you need a security clearance, and you've got to
have clearance at the level that the information you want to see is classified at. In this instance it was classified `Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the
highest security classification in the nation. To get that type of clearance, all you have to have is a Federal Bureau of Investigation background check, which takes about six months and they send federal
agents to your home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to
your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance
forms, to all your old addresses, your neighbors, everybody that
you've worked for, and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them
what they're checking on. They just show them their identification
and start asking questions and that's when you find out who's your
friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think,
`Bill must've just robbed a bank and I'm not talkin' to him anymore.'

Now once you get that, it's called a `B.I.' and for those of you
who have received a copy of my service record, look on the first
page, the DD Form 214 where it says `Security Clearance,' you will
see the term `B.I.' That's a `Bureau of Investigation' clearance.
[Note: The author of this piece apparently does not know that "B.I."
stands for "Background Investigation". CSW] Now at that point, you
have the clearance for everything including Top Secret and above.
What determines what you get to see is `your need to know', and
the job that you have determines what your need to know is.

I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to
know everything concerning his area of operations which was one-half
of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all
the land masses in between. Believe it or not, if we ever go to war,
it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts
to keep the enemy at bay while we can get ourselves together, at
least historically. Nuclear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but military commanders like to talk about it anyway.

Because of this, you have no conception of the amount of material and information that an area commander has to know. It's unbelievable, and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top
of it. He has to know what's happening, he has to make the right decisions. Because it's almost humanly impossible for anyone to do
that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to
make sure that he has the correct information, all the time, on a 24-
hour basis. And every morning, between 8 and 9 AM, we would give a briefing which covered everything that happened in the previous 24
hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24 hours, and
all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the
last briefing that he needed to know and that his staff members
needed to know. Occasionally we would get messages marked `Top
Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' and it would be coded in such
a way that all you had were answers to questions which you didn't now
what the questions were so you really didn't know what the message
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But eventually I found myself in possession, holding two documents; one called `Project Grudge,' another one called `Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of alien involvement
since around 1936, and it began talking about Germany's involvement
with a crashed disk that they had recovered in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not successful
despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had
been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot
beat those weapons ! You cannot out-fly those craft ! You can't even
think about it with conventional aircraft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a German flag up in front of this
podium.

They did make some headway. When we went into Penemunde, we captured documents, we got some scientists [and] we got some hardware. The Russians also got some documents, some scientists and
some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a
craft, a whole craft, not all together but it was everything. That occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mexico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Project Grudge I saw photographs of
these dead aliens [and] of the craft. I saw photographs of live
aliens. I saw photographs of autopsies.....of internal organs, I saw photographs of the alien designated `E.B.'[or Ebe] who was held in captivity from 1949 until June the 2nd, 1952 when he died. I saw the
history of what they had been able to put together [at that time],
from incidents in the 1800's which involved aliens and their craft.

I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and undamaged,
and some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened I have no idea. It was called `Project Redlight,' and was
first conducted from the Tonopah Test Range in the Nevada Test Site
and then was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by President Eisenhower, called `Area-51,' code named `Dreamland,' in
the Groom [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada Test Site, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially. If you ask anyone, or
if you write letters to the government, they will tell you it doesn't
exist. However, if you go out there at several places and see it, fly
outside the boundaries and look down and see it, you know it's there,
but according to the government it doesn't exist.

The project to test fly these craft was ongoing until

sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test

sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three-state
area. The pilots were killed. They [the government] had no idea what
had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put Project Redlight
on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with 3 craft
and personnel to help us learn how to fly them craft. That project is
ongoing [now] and we now have not only alien craft that we are
flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technology,
and some of the UFO's that people report seeing in the United States,
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That may come as a shock to you. We have technology 'way beyond
the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our development technologically since the end of World War II has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called `Area-51' on
a regular basis ...ongoing.

When James Oberth [Professor Oberth] retired, many of you don't
know who he is.....not too many space people in here. Professor
Oberth was probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentists that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him
a special award. There was a press conference, all kinds of ceremony,
and when he got up to speak he said, `Gentlemen,' {and I quote professor Oberth} he said, `Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all
the technological developments that we have had in the last decade.
We have had help,' and that's where he stopped.

One of the reporters raised his hand and said, `Professor
Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?'

He said, `It was those little guys from out in space,' and then
he got down and and would not comment any further. Now remember,
this occurred in 1959 ! I can go on and on but time doesn't allow
it.

I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of
things going on all the time. We are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming
out of the woodwork at a rapid rate.....people who know and have
pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it together, because
I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material. I have remembered an awful lot of it. I have probably, in my remembering,
made some mistakes, but I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I
have.

We have just recently.....for those of you who didn't believe
that the Jason Society of the Jason Scholars - the secret group existed.....we now have a letter from the Pentagon with 51 names of
the Jason Scholars.....an admission from the Pentagon that they hold
the highest security clearances in the nation.....an admission from
the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral and are
treated as such on any military installation or in any government
office. There are 6 Nobel Prize winners on that list ! They are the
elite of the elite of the scientific world. They are the only ones
who really know the truth about the technology today and about the
real science of physics because the science that we're being taught
all the time......well, if you send your kids to college to learn physics, you're wasting your money because they're teaching them
stuff that doesn't work. It's not true; it's not real. Gravity is not
what we think it is. There IS a Unified Theory ! We already know what
it is. It's what makes those [space]craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on.



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How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of
Las Vegas ? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any
night between 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the
subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in
the United States will touch with a 10-foot pole. Every single night
except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and
talk to another caller. You've got 3 minutes to say whatever you
want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and
every night they're helping to expose this.

When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom
Lake everybody said, `You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at
Groom Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all.....ever since.....every night, they go up there and watch them
test fly the alien craft ...every night ! The first night they had
100 people there. And 100 people saw 4 alien craft fly, doing things
that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't tell us
anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What
they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's okay because we'll prove that
wrong too eventually, it just takes awhile. Because where we WERE.....it's not where we're AT, and I'm really happy about that.

Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching your movies, keep watching your television commercials,
your alien programs on television. Read Whitley Streeper's `Majestic'
which is a part of the contingency plan called `Majestic' to test the reaction of the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. I
have just finished my study of Whitley Streeper's book `Majestic,'
and I'm gonna tell you right now that most of the documents in
there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right
out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to
leak information out in ways that they can always deny that it's
real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book.....The stories of the characters in there I know nothing about.
What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he
has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are
some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge back between
1970 & 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know that
Whitley Streeper IS working for the government. We had a suspicion
anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey,
and Friedman. William Moore has publicly admitted on July the 1st
that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that
the others are, too.

This is gonna come out, and the reason they're doing it the way
they're doing it is they know eventually you're gonna find out that
it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked......so that there's no collapse of society as we know it.....so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces.....so
that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's nothing we can do about the last one

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because it's already happened. There will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even though they're no different than us.....they're just from somewhere else, and they may
look a little different. They are not gods. But there are already
people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would happen
when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff.

You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening except for 3 things." [Cooper forgets to mention the 3rd
thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the 2nd thing.] "Number one, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to
finance it, they couldn't tell the public so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the importation and sale of
drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Operation Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO
of Zapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the
first large scale drug importation into this country from South and
Central America by fishing boat to the offshore oil platforms of
Zapata Oil and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all
Customs inspections and law enforcement inspections of any kind. They
are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner.
Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases
of landing is Homestead Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in; who
have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the
planes have been met by Zeb Bush, who's George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, who say `yes indeed, the drugs are coming in,
at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms.'"

From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no ?"

"Pardon? Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're gonna do
ladies and gentlemen with your help ...we are going to say NO, no
more! And you gotta do it; you gotta act. You either gotta act, or
watch your country go down the tubes."

"Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing
that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who
tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it,
you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth
now. They killed President Kennedy and during the workshop, for those
of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot
the President and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority
it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered
them to impliment a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was
ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in Dallas. It involved
agents of the CIA, Division 5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, and the
Office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was killed by the
driver of his car, his name was William Greer. He used a recoilless,


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electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It
fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shellfish
poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it states
that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the
case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The reason
for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would
have proved conclusively that Lee Harvy Oswald was NOT the assassin.
In fact, Lee Harvy Oswald never fired a shot. He was the patsy."

Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the
obvious question, "Why haven't YOU been assassinated?"

"If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed.

"That it's the truth," several people chimed.

"I've got `em right where I want `em. If they touch me, everyone
who's ever heard me talk is gonna be absolutely enraged and is gonna
know that everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch
me there's gonna be some of you who are always gonna be wondering.
But eventually we're gonna bring enough proof out, and if you're here
during the workshop you're gonna see an awful lot of it that's gonna
prove to you that it's true. It's real. And it's happening!"

"Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, because
there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much."

Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following day in which tangible proofs could be seen but regrettably,
I was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers. A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front
of the room which in essence asked, "What about all the people in
the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassination? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from, why
didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty."

"There was. We know that there was at least 18 who were all murdered within 2 years of the event. The odds of that happening are
1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied.

Again a muffled question, "Why did the DRIVER have to shoot Kennedy?"

"Because the other fools missed! There were a total of 3 shots
fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't
kill him and 2 of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was
fired from the grassy knoll hit the President in the throat. The
other 2 shots came from directly behind the limousine, not the
school book depository building, and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a `can do'
man, because he took 2 hits and still kept his mouth shut."


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"How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand
side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's
brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible..." another person asked.

Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For
those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts,
whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the workshop, I will
show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy
was, in fact slumped over against Jackie. His head was turned [this direction]. It was very simple. It was easy and you will see it with
your own eyes."

Another muffled, off-mike question from a member of the audience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the information Mr.
Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it
secret for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm
talkin' about it now. Bill English was talkin' about it 8 years ago
but everybody laughed at Bill English. John Lear's been talkin' about
it for 3 years and everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many
people have been talkin' about it, people are startin' to listen
and it's about time. Because it's about time we that we quit being
fools, and that's exactly what they think we are and we prove it to
them every day."

Almost all of the questions from the audience were to faint to
hear. The next one dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up
with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr.
Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up
with it and they've ALL been stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have it you have FREE ENERGY. Once you have
free energy they no longer have power over you. You understand?
That's why they stop it."

Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination
which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't THEY conclude that Kennedy's driver shot him?", to which Cooper asked, "Examined by WHO greatly?", and continued, "Most of the film that you can purchase
has that segment cut out, and you can always tell it by the person
running in the background, they'll run up to here... all of a sudden
they'll be down here... running. You will see in most of the clips
that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're
able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn
like this...", then a muffled comment from the audience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out ! And on a lot of
them, I'll bet you.....most of you.....every time you've seen the
clip on television, you never looked at the driver anyway. If you're
really honest with yourself, and with me, you know your eyes were
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A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present-day military equipment and was answered, "Yes, there's a
lot of alien technology contained in the Stealth bomber. That's
right. The Stealth fighter was flying for 10 years before you even
knew it existed."

As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated,
was asked of Mr. Cooper by a woman closer to my ears, "Before you
let us all out of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what
can we all do to help bring this all out?"

A single word, "REVOLT" issued from several listeners simultaneously but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to
do is what you should have been doing all along. You need to get involved with your government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the Constitution, which I know that most of you
don't have anywhere in your house, and if I were to go around this
room and ask each person what the Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution says from your grocery bill.
And that's the truth ! And that IS your country ! So, if you don't
know what your Constitution is, you're dead already ! So the first
thing you do is you get a copy of your Constitution. The second thing
you do is you learn it ! The third thing you do is you start calling
your senators and your representatives, and the President of the
United States and you start leaning on them, and you tell them,
`Unless you straighten up the government, and unless we start getting
the truth, and I mean the whole truth, and no more of this baloney,
this's the last job you're ever gonna have, period ! And
I'll do everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And
then write them, frequently, saying the same thing. And then when
they're in your area, in their area offices, take a little delegation
and go see them, and make them understand that they're gonna be
living in poverty because they're not gonna have a job anymore come election day. You see, the secret government may own the Executive Branch, but you people, all of us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the Congress can impeach the entire Executive Branch ! You also have the right to petition the government
for a redress of injuries. So you ARE powerful, you've just forgotten
that you're powerful. You've forgotten that that voting that you
haven't been doing every time election comes around.....that vote you
didn't make has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast abdicated your power and gave it to those who are subverting the Constitution and are ruining this country."

A gentleman then asked, "What was traded to the aliens for their technology?"

"People and animals," replied Cooper succinctly.

Another man asked, "Is the Soviet Union in on any of this?"

"The Soviet Union and the United States of America have been
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Soviets have the same thing we have. Yes. What you see happening in
the Soviet block right now is not the result of people standing up
and saying, `We want to be free.' It's the result of the

international bankers saying, `You tear down these barriers, and you
meet the West half way, give your people some freedom, the

West is gonna take some freedom away from their people so that we
can put together a one-world economic system.....and have all the
power. That's what's happening! If you don't believe it, stick
around and watch it!"

A dubious woman then asked, "Why was the shellfish poison necessary? A lot of his brain was blown off anyway."

Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one
thing I've learned....I learned it real good. I learned it especially
good when I went to Viet Nam.....just `cause you shoot someone
doesn't mean they're gonna die. And if they don't die, they're gonna
be MAD. And if they've got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first
time to be the last time. So if you really want to to kill somebody
you don't play around. If you REALLY want to kill somebody ...you
KILL them ! You don't play. You make sure that when you shoot them,
they're dead. That way they can't hurt you.....can't hurt you at
all."

Regrettably, the next question was totally unintelligible, I was thankful however that Mr. Cooper had a good public address system to
amplify his reply, "The first moon landing was May the 22nd, 1962...
or excuse me, that was the first landing on Mars. I'm sorry, May the
22nd, 1962 was the winged probe that used a hydrozine propeller,
flew around approximately 3 orbits and landed on May the 22nd, 1962,
was a joint United States-Russian endeavor. The first time that we
landed on the moon was sometime during the.....probably middle 50's,
because at the time when President Kennedy stated that he wanted a
man to set foot on the moon by the end of the decade we already had a
base there."

"What about Mars?" came another quick question.

"We have a base on Mars also," Cooper calmly replied.

"When did that happen?"

"I don't know the exact date but I know the project's name. It
was `Adam and Eve'."

"How long have you known about this?"

"Well, I revealed it publicly for the first time on July the
2nd, 1989, and within 3-weeks of the time I revealed it publicly, the government, to get the American people not to listen to me, came out
and said that they planned to build a base on the moon and a colony
on Mars. Now, 3 days previous to my speech, representatives from
NASA said, `We can never have a colony on Mars, it's impossible that


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there's a colony on Mars because Mars is a dead planet.' And it's NOT
a dead planet, they've lied to you about Mars."

"My name is Dave [unintelligible], I'm a representative of the
Crystic Institute, and I'd like to know why it was that when we sent
a representative down to your home, at your request, you failed to
produce any documentation to substantiate your allegations."

"In the first place it was NOT at my request, I have never contacted the Crystic Institute in my life. I was on the Carol Hemingway Show. She contacted the Crystic institute. She told
Daniel Shehan [sp] that I had just said something about Bush and
drugs on her show. HE called ME and told me he wanted to send an investigator. In fact, he told me to even help the investigator
because he was new at the job. His name was Wayne Nelson. He is a
very good gentleman. He stayed at my house for 2 days, slept overnight on my couch, I gave him everything I had. I never told Daniel Shehan that I had any documents and I never told Wayne Nelson that I had any documents. In fact what I told Wayne Nelson,
and I quote, `Wayne, if I did have the documents I couldn't admit it
and I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know Daniel Shehan from
Adam and what makes you think I would give them to you.' Who am I
going to give them to and how quick are they going to disappear, that
was my thought. Wayne Nelson also came to my house with a stack of documents this thick already substantiating the presence of aliens
and extraterrestrial craft on this planet, and they are keeping it a
secret, because they're afraid somebody'll laugh at them and they'll
loose their credibility."

"We need some patriots in this country, not people trying to
make a name for themselves, trying to expose some drug runners,
because those are just the bag-men. The real crook is in the White
House! And you can tell THAT to Daniel Shehan!"

"Why didn't Jackie Kennedy report [the source of the lethal
shot]?" asked another audience member.

"Who's she gonna tell? The Secret Service just killed her
husband and they're assigned to protect the President. Also, who had
her children? The same Secret Service had her children at the time."

"Wasn't the craft at Roswell, New Mexico destroyed and all
the aliens killed?" another young man asked.

"All the aliens were dead but the craft was not completely destroyed. It was severely damaged; yes."

On an unrelated note an older gentleman asked, "Does that mean
that `Alternative 3' is true?"

"Alternative 3 is absolutely true and so is `Alternative 2'."



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Then a man in his late 20's or early 30's raised his hand, said something I couldn't hear, and was apparently recognized by Mr.
Cooper, who asked him to take the podium and address the audience.

"What I said was that I thanked him [Cooper] very much for
coming forward and saying something. A lot of my friends out here
know that I was involved in the United States Special Forces, UFO Tracking and Research from the years 1971 to 1975. My name is Richard
Murray, I was based out of the 71st Tac Controll Flight, McDill Air
Force Base, Tampa, Florida. We were `Mobile Radar Command,' that was
combat and war ready. We could be loaded on aircraft within an hour
and many times were taken into areas [to] set up radar. A lot of
times we were set up around Egland [sp] Air Force Base because
that's where they have the `Altered Temperature Weather Control',
where they can test various aircraft for their shrinkage and their dimension change during altered temperature. So, you know, I was told
to shut up twice in 1982 and they finally threatened my parents life
so I stayed quiet, and, that's when Wendel Stevens was taken off
the streets... Just like that! And I hid for quite awhile, and
decided to come back out when I heard that you're [Cooper] of such
high rank as you were, and I felt just in saying that your credentials are true, and that what you have to say, everything
you've said here today, I've heard before behind closed doors. And
you've really tied the link for me to the Kennedy killing. And
there's a few more links that have to go on with the Columbia Cartel
and the money laundering. I think there's more than one cartel involved, and they're shutting one of them down so one can maintain
a power, it just seems to be the way it works."

A muffled question then came from someone in the audience regarding the person referred to as "Colonel Stevens."

"Oh, Colonel Stevens is out of jail now," replied Murray who was
quickly asked another question I couldn't hear to which he answered,
"I sure hope to hell so, he is a wonderful man and I give him my
utmost respect and it was one of the saddest days in my life to see
what happened to him happen to him. But I don't care what they say
about Wendel Stevens, in my heart you can't discredit that man to
me. I don't care who the hell you are. I won't listen to it, I don't
give a shit if he was screwin' babies. You know... that doesn't...
he's not that kind of a man, I don't care what you say, I know
him personally."

The lecture was then essentially over. The "Alternative-2 and-3"
that were referred to briefly are, to the best of my knowledge, two government contingency plans and I don't know which is which. To 1:
Declare Martial Law and invalidate the Constitution on the premise
that a terrorist group had entered the country with a Nuclear weapon
with plans to detonate it in a major city. All dissidents would be
rounded up and placed in concentration camps and the press and media
would be nationalized. All this, if the information becomes public
before they want it to or if the aliens attempt a takeover, and 2:
Another contingency plan to contain or delay the release of this information, the details of which I am probably wrong about anyway.

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My own personal reaction to Milton William Cooper; Mr. Cooper is a
man who appears to be in his late fourties, of medium height and
weight, and was dressed casually when I saw him. His hairline was receding slightly and he carried himself with confidence and purpose.
Bill Cooper, as he was called by several in attendance, is not a professional speaker. His presentation lacked the polish of repeated deliveries which all the other lectures I heard during the Expo. had,
but what it lacked in fine tuning was easily made up for in its content. Whether or not everyone in the audience was convinced of
his sincerity I do not know, but the thunderous peal of applause
which exploded as he concluded the session spoke for me and the majority of those in attendance. I am convinced beyond any reasonable
doubt that Bill Cooper believes everything he said, and I'm about as skeptical as they come.

Please read the attached file written by Milton William Cooper
which describes some of the government operations, projects, and
code names that pertain to the above transcript. Perhaps from the
two documents you can reach your own conclusions as to what "Alternative-2" and "-3" are.

[The remainder was a reprint of the MJ-12 text file, which we
have already read. -=-ED.=-]

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