• MSG THREAD ON THE PHOENIX PROJECT FILE: UFO1544

    From Denise Stevens@RICKSBBS to ALL on Thu Nov 13 06:09:43 2025
    PART 3


    Sign, was established as a cover operation. In 1960, the
    Project's name was changed from Project SIGN to Project
    Bluebook.

    This is demonstrably and totally wrong. Project Sign was established
    first, in 1947, and it was under the control of the Air Force, not the
    CIA. The name was changed to Project Grudge in 1949, and to Blue Book
    in 1952-- not 1960. (For details, see "The Report on Unidentified
    Flying Objects" by Edward J. Ruppelt, who headed the project from 1951
    to 1953.) The exact dates slide around a little bit depending on
    whether you're talking about when the decision was made, when the order
    was signed, or when the order became effective; but the differences are
    on the order of months, not decades! How could the Phoenix Project's experienced intelligence agents make so many ludicrous errors in a
    single paragraph?

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    * Origin: ParaNet -- Leading UFO Research Network (1:104/428.0) ===========================================================================
    BBS: Flite-Line
    Date: 08-20-92 (13:25) Number: 5584
    From: PARANET INFORMATION SERVI Refer#: NONE
    To: ALL Recvd: NO
    Subj: Phoenix Response - Conclu Conf: (46) UFO(Fido) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
    * Originally from ParaNet Information Service
    * Originally dated 08-20-92 13:24


    In fact, this whole business was such an embarrassing mess that the
    Phoenix Project issued a "correction" document to try to straighten it
    out. But, ironically, the correction is also wrong--just less
    obviously so.

    We could go on, but I think you get the point. The "Ultimate Secret"
    report is, at best, a rehash of other people's garbage. At worst, it
    is a deliberate effort to confuse and disinform.

    We actively encourage other serious investigators to use the
    information we have provided as a basis for conducting their own
    inquiry and to carry-on our effort. Can you, Mr. Corbin, or
    ParaNet, or Mufon, make the same claim. Or, is it true that the
    results of critical investigations are held sacred by the elite
    leadership of these organizations, and are not shared with the
    member's of their organizations or the public?

    We can't speak for other organizations, but in the case of ParaNet we
    have always made our results public as soon as our investigations are
    complete.

    In your message, you insinuate that because of our past military
    and intelligence backgrounds, our area of expertise so-to-speak,
    that the motives of the Phoenix Project are suspect. You further
    insinuate that we are possibly government operatives attempting to
    send serious researchers off on a variety of wild goose chases.

    Given the prior history of government disinformation in ufology, most
    of it purveyed by active or former intelligence agents and their
    victims, anyone who (1) purports to have a military intelligence
    background, (2) refuses to divulge their identity, and (3) propagates
    known disinformation as reliable intelligence (whether deliberately or
    not) should expect his motives to be considered suspect until proven
    otherwise. It is extremely naive of you to think it would happen any
    other way.

    If anyone needed assurance that the truth regarding UFO's will
    remain a deep, dark, secret -- they can rest secure in the
    knowledge that you, are on the job. There are any number of
    government agencies who would welcome you with open arms.
    Expect some offers.

    Sorry, none so far. We'll let you know if we get any.

    We are sure that the honest and sincere members of ParaNet and
    other UFO investigative organizations (and there are many) must be seriously considering whether your qualifications, fitness and investigative ability warrant your continuance in a position of
    leadership within what used to be a respected research
    organization.

    Exactly the opposite, actually. Most of our people are grateful for
    the warning, and are coming to the same conclusions as we did.

    Instead of making an honest attempt to validate or
    disprove our findings regarding the subjects mentioned -- missing
    the point completely, you chose to become obsessed with determining
    the identity of Phoenix Project personnel. For what reason? Do you
    intend to judge the validity of the information based on the
    credentials of those providing it? Some people would interpret
    that as putting the cart before the horse.

    And some people would interpret it as a determination not to fall prey
    to the same fate as far too many others in this field, who trusted
    strangers too easily and ended up wasting years chasing wild geese--or
    worse.

    Explain to us how or
    why the credentials of our investigators, or their identity, have
    any bearing on the validity of the information. Either the
    information is true or it isn't. It's as simple as that, or does
    that simple fact escape you.

    The credentials of your investigators have a strong bearing on whether
    or not it is even worth the trouble to examine your "information".
    Anybody can sit down for a few hours at a word processor and cook up
    reams of tittilating "information" about almost any subject under the
    sun. But unless there is good reason to think there might be something
    to it, it's a fool's errand to try to chase it all down.

    It's like this: If ordinary claims come from an anonymous source, they
    may be assigned some measure of trust simply because they accord with
    everyday experience. If extraordinary claims come from a reputable
    source, they may be assigned some measure of trust simply because of
    the proven track record of the person making the claims. But when extraordinary claims originate from an anonymous source, they generally
    are given no credence at all, because there is simply no reason to
    believe they are true. Life is too short to chase every wild goose
    that comes cackling along. There must be *some* reason--either in the plausibility of the claim or the authority of the claimant--to think
    it's worth the trouble. You have provided neither one.

    How can we, or others, be assured of your motives. One does
    not need a brilliant mind to envision a scenario where the
    information the Phoenix Project has released is discredited because
    of an act of character assignation.

    Please explain what "character assignation" is, and then maybe we can
    envision the scenario you have in mind.

    Suppose we asked these questions -- would you be prepared to
    respond to them? Who are you? What are your credentials? Who are
    those holding positions of leadership in ParaNet? What are their qualifications and credentials? How do we know that you or ParaNet
    are not controlled by government operatives? What qualifications
    are required to hold a position of leadership within ParaNet?

    There has never been any secret about what ParaNet is or who it
    consists of. Lists of ParaNet nodes and their sysops have been posted
    to the net on several occasions. Anyone who wants to follow the
    ParaNet BBS echoes can log in to a local ParaNet node, receive the echo
    digests over the net, or download them from our FTP archives. All
    postings are signed with the user name and node ID of the originator.
    All articles in Continuum, ParaNet's quarterly magazine, are signed by
    the authors. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but neither our personnel
    nor our purposes are in any way secret or mysterious.

    We were unaware that anyone had ever attempted to create a
    corporation in Nevada calling itself the Phoenix Project. Due to
    the nature of our work, and to protect the identity of our
    personnel it would be a foolish endeavor. We never made an attempt
    to incorporate our organization in any State.

    The incorporation issue originally came up because we were trying to
    track down your trademark registration. We have been unable to find
    any such registration, yet at the beginning of each of your reports you explicitly state that "all publications of the "Phoenix Project" bear
    the Project's Logo (a registered trade-mark)." Is that a lie? It
    certainly seems that a trademark registration of the project logo would
    be almost as much of a threat to "the identity of your personnel" as incorporation would be.

    You suggest a possible link between our organization and America
    West. Sorry about that, but you're dead wrong. It has come to us
    from several sources that we're not on their list of favorite
    people. We will take this opportunity to categorically deny that
    we have any affiliation with America West, their publication the
    "Phoenix Liberator," or any other publication they provide.


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