• Where do console messages show up in RasPiOS?

    From bp@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jul 9 10:24:44 2026
    Lately I've been having trouble with Bookworm, on both a Pi5
    and a Pi2B (32 bit), in which the Raspberry menu is used to
    launch applications but seemingly nothing happens. No error
    message pops up, it's as if I never even tried. Presumably
    something had a fatal error, but where should I look for
    the epitaph?

    This happens most often with Firefox and Chromium browsers,
    but occasionally happens with things like LX Terminal, which
    I'd expect to be more robust.

    There doesn't seem to be a /var/log/messages, as I'm accustomed
    to checking, and ISTR Windows used a dedicated application for
    watching system messages. Is there such a beast in Bookworm?

    I haven't yet hooked up a serial console cable but could if that's
    the only way to see what happened.

    Thanks for reading!

    bob prohaska


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jul 8 18:47:45 2026
    On 08/07/2026 18:26, bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    Lately I've been having trouble with Bookworm, on both a Pi5
    and a Pi2B (32 bit), in which the Raspberry menu is used to
    launch applications but seemingly nothing happens. No error
    message pops up, it's as if I never even tried. Presumably
    something had a fatal error, but where should I look for
    the epitaph?

    You could dredge through systemd logs.

    This happens most often with Firefox and Chromium browsers,
    but occasionally happens with things like LX Terminal, which
    I'd expect to be more robust.

    It is unclear as to exactly what you are doing.
    Wjat code is being launched and exactly how?


    There doesn't seem to be a /var/log/messages, as I'm accustomed
    to checking, and ISTR Windows used a dedicated application for
    watching system messages. Is there such a beast in Bookworm?

    I haven't yet hooked up a serial console cable but could if that's
    the only way to see what happened.

    ssh?

    Thanks for reading!

    bob prohaska


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  • From bp@3:633/10 to All on Thu Jul 9 10:30:01 2026
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    Lately I've been having trouble with Bookworm, on both a Pi5
    and a Pi2B (32 bit), in which the Raspberry menu is used to
    launch applications but seemingly nothing happens. No error
    message pops up, it's as if I never even tried. Presumably
    something had a fatal error, but where should I look for
    the epitaph?

    This happens most often with Firefox and Chromium browsers,
    but occasionally happens with things like LX Terminal, which
    I'd expect to be more robust.

    There doesn't seem to be a /var/log/messages, as I'm accustomed
    to checking, and ISTR Windows used a dedicated application for
    watching system messages. Is there such a beast in Bookworm?

    Standard error from applications launched from the desktop historically
    (and at least to some extent, still) goes to a file in your home
    directory. Watch it with:

    tail -f ~/.xsession-errors

    Some things log to the user journal:

    journalctl --user --follow

    Depending on the cause of the problem the kernel log may also be
    informative:

    journalctl --dmesg --follow


    Thank you very much!!

    bob prohaska


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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jul 8 19:44:44 2026
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    Lately I've been having trouble with Bookworm, on both a Pi5
    and a Pi2B (32 bit), in which the Raspberry menu is used to
    launch applications but seemingly nothing happens. No error
    message pops up, it's as if I never even tried. Presumably
    something had a fatal error, but where should I look for
    the epitaph?

    This happens most often with Firefox and Chromium browsers,
    but occasionally happens with things like LX Terminal, which
    I'd expect to be more robust.

    There doesn't seem to be a /var/log/messages, as I'm accustomed
    to checking, and ISTR Windows used a dedicated application for
    watching system messages. Is there such a beast in Bookworm?

    Standard error from applications launched from the desktop historically
    (and at least to some extent, still) goes to a file in your home
    directory. Watch it with:

    tail -f ~/.xsession-errors

    Some things log to the user journal:

    journalctl --user --follow

    Depending on the cause of the problem the kernel log may also be
    informative:

    journalctl --dmesg --follow

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)