• Re: NY & MAGA

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Tue Aug 25 13:30:46 2026
    Thune was always bad it just took this event to show his real colors.

    Right. He wasn't always openly-rino, but when duty calls, they pledge allegiance to the left.

    This coming January is when we oust him out of his position and we can primary him in 2028.

    That seems possible in a state like North Dakota. They are really, really Republican there. I don't think they're going to put up with this any longer than they need to.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Aug 25 13:34:42 2026
    Well, I have a soft place in my heart for Michigan, so I'm not moving right now.

    That's why I don't want the communists to get into power again.

    But if things get worse, I will certainly consider a move. But it's
    hard to leave the area that you spent most of you life in.

    The Elitists bank on that.

    I know the feeling. To some extent they know who they're messing with; 1/2 the state (or more) is conservative, so if they want to do terrible things, they should do it a little at a time in places like NY & MI. But they don't test the water, they jump right in and wreck things really badly as quickly as they can.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 26 06:53:20 2026
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    I know the feeling. To some extent they know who they're messing with;

    But they still treat people like chess pieces that they move and have no self-motivation.

    That's what really messes them up.

    But they don't test the water, they jump right in and wreck things
    really badly as quickly as they can.

    Because they want their ill-gotten gains immediately.

    IHMO: I think that's what really messed them up after Osama got into power. Too many of these Elitists wanted their money and power before they died, so they pushed their agenda too fast and people noticed.

    Today, they see their power slip away again. So they want to wreck as much as possible so that they can build their power again as people focus on rebuilding.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Aug 26 09:58:44 2026
    Today, they see their power slip away again. So they want to wreck as much as possible so that they can build their power again as people
    focus on rebuilding.

    I know that's what it seems like, and it is likely, but also consider the fact that they'll just invent the notion of things being broken when they're not, like "Let's put an end to discrimination "once" and for all."

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 26 13:07:38 2026
    On 24 Aug 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Step 1: Find out the name of the US president who made the Russian invasion of Ukraine possible by doing nothing about it while Russians deployed.


    Well, it was a VP, Kamala, who started it with a US speech about getting Ukraine into NATO that started it.

    Vlad started the war the next day.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Ron L. on Wed Aug 26 23:35:01 2026
    As a result the Greens were sent packing, but the damage had been
    done.

    And the current ruling party really isn't doing much to fix it, it seems.

    Hmmm .the kingdom of one-liners ...

    Shows how much you understand about real politics. This the energy situation of 84 million people. That's a lot of electricity. After the Greens successfully shut down all the nukes in Germany their replacement was horrible ...

    Everything was replaced by lignite, and that is now causing environmental degradation.

    There is renewed talk about nuclear energy, but there are still 6-10 years between the political will to build it and its actual physical commissioning.

    Belgium also got fucked by the Greens ... the madness could be stopped just in time.

    And we have evidence of Leftoid-ism.

    You have just nothing, just "Trump said so"

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 26 23:36:41 2026
    I get it that you don't like Trump, but I watched Biden let the Ukraine invasion happen. Literally let it happen.

    It pains me to say so, but I share that vision.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to IB Joe on Wed Aug 26 23:42:13 2026
    Hello Joe,

    Welp, on the Ukraine front I think you have a point. Joe and Kamala started that one.

    Please issue a coffee-alert before producing something of the kind ... 8-)

    I blame the whole Russia thing on Europe, other the EU, whatever. When Russia fell they asked to belong to the NATO and they voted against them joining.

    Checking facts before spewing out nonsense never is wrong. It should've taught you that following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia never submitted a formal membership application. Maybe your French is better, they use the word "neveurrr" ... 'with' the R-sound.. 8-)

    Vladimir Putin famously asked former NATO Secretary General George Robertson in the early 2000s when NATO would invite Russia to join, but declined to submit a formal application because he felt Russia should not have to stand in line like smaller nations.

    Maybe Iran didn't rape of kill enough people for you. Trump said they
    were days or a few weeks out form completing a bomb. Iran even said they have weapon grade material.

    The killing of tens of thousands of people is not disputed. So please don't put that in my mouth.

    As for a nuke for Iran ... Trump says a lot of things. Iran does not possess the technical enrichment technology to go beyond 60%, weapons-grade is 90%.

    And that information comes from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    And even if it achieves 90% ... that's not a bomb.

    The war, if it did anything, it showed that they could strike anywhere in the EU that it wanted to. Add that to nuclear capable you should be thanking Trump.

    I think the US should get out of NATO and let Europe figure things out.

    We think so too ... Cancel all those F35-programs and instead support the Swedish Gripen and the French Rafale.

    You guys need to figure your own things out and we can stop dfunding all this madness, the US funds more than all the NATO members combined
    several times over.

    And also that is nonsense which you need to verify before regurgitating it here ...

    These are the top 8 contributors into the general NATO-budget ... the US pays just as much as Germany. About 15% of the total budget, this is freely available information, you should try it once ...

    Germany 14.90%
    United States: 14.90%
    United Kingdom: 10.33%
    France: 10.10%
    Italy: 7.99%
    Turkiye: 6.30%
    Canada: 6.58%
    Belgium: 2.07%

    Don't confuse the US's NATO-spending with its total military spending ... Trump makes the error, and when he does so does MAGA-united and everybody goes on a stampede because Trump said so ... Trump says a lot of things ...

    Wide open borders allowing millions to enter the place unchecked and
    you're more focused on the Green New Deal, wind and solar, and not fossil fuels.

    And again you go off the cliff without understanding what you're dealing with.

    Just for you... The Schengen treaty makes the internal borders nearly inexistant. That is correct. But in order to benefit from that provision first you need to cross the outer border ... we do not think lighly of illegal immigration either and there is a wall in the east...

    But you did leave out a bunch of things your government might be doing to cause your prices to increase.

    I don't have a clue what you're implying ...

    Enjoy the day,

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 26 18:13:58 2026
    On 25 Aug 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    That seems possible in a state like North Dakota. They are really, really Republican there. I don't think they're going to put up with this any longer than they need to.


    I think that if they find a replacement, one who can primary Thune he'll be gone in 2028. I do feel Thune won't be the Senate leader much after the election coming.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ward Dossche on Wed Aug 26 19:33:08 2026
    On 26 Aug 2026, Ward Dossche said the following...


    Welp, on the Ukraine front I think you have a point. Joe and Kamala started that one.

    Please issue a coffee-alert before producing something of the kind ...
    8-)


    It's true... Putin said stop adding NATO countries around their border... A few days latter Kamala is at the UN saying Ukraine should be part of NATO. Russia attacked Ukraine the next day.

    There are some Elites in the US that love war. It gives them a chance to make money.


    Checking facts before spewing out nonsense never is wrong. It should've taught you that following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia never submitted a formal membership application. Maybe your French is better, they use the word "neveurrr" ... 'with' the R-sound.. 8-)

    Vladimir Putin famously asked former NATO Secretary General George Robertson in the early 2000s when NATO would invite Russia to join, but declined to submit a formal application because he felt Russia should
    not have to stand in line like smaller nations.


    What I said, and what you said doesn't change anything.

    In 2000, as well as 1956, Russia expressed interest in joining NATO.

    YOU quoted some technical reason this wasn't granted.

    You let 2004: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia 2009: Albania and Croatia 2017: Montenegro 2020: North Macedonia 2023: Finland 2024: Sweden

    None of these countries are adversarial in any way... BUT you had one that is/was and you didn't take the time to explore a peaceful relationship with Russia...

    Y'all could have said.. We NORMALLY don't deviate from our policies... BUT for you we'll consider. You PAY this much and we expect this and that.

    Problem solved!!!


    The killing of tens of thousands of people is not disputed. So please don't put that in my mouth.


    Trump used it as part of his reasoning to invade. I wasn't on bored with this initially, but I'm willing to cut him a little slack in hopes that Iran becomes free.


    As for a nuke for Iran ... Trump says a lot of things. Iran does not possess the technical enrichment technology to go beyond 60%, weapons-grade is 90%.
    And that information comes from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    And even if it achieves 90% ... that's not a bomb.


    Iran does not currently possess finished 90% weapons-grade uranium, but it holds about 440.9 kilograms (972 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60% purity, which is a short technical step away from weapons grade

    They had help!!!


    We think so too ... Cancel all those F35-programs and instead support the Swedish Gripen and the French Rafale.


    We need more people who think like you...

    Prior to WW II the US had a noninterference policy... After they went into WWII they never went back to it. Since that time the US has been in every conflict since. Money spend, people die... and I say enough is enough.


    And also that is nonsense which you need to verify before regurgitating
    it here ...

    These are the top 8 contributors into the general NATO-budget ... the US pays just as much as Germany. About 15% of the total budget, this is freely available information, you should try it once ...

    Germany 14.90%
    United States: 14.90%
    United Kingdom: 10.33%
    France: 10.10%
    Italy: 7.99%
    Turkiye: 6.30%
    Canada: 6.58%
    Belgium: 2.07%

    Don't confuse the US's NATO-spending with its total military spending
    ... Trump makes the error, and when he does so does MAGA-united and everybody goes on a stampede because Trump said so ... Trump says a lot
    of things ...


    I am not confused... I chose to show you the dollar amount that the countries pay. You revert back to the percentage of GDP.

    The US PAYS more, as a dollar amount, than all NATO countries combines. I think that the US could better spend their TRILLIONS spent in European defense and use it for paying down debt and deporting Illegals.


    And again you go off the cliff without understanding what you're dealing with.
    Just for you... The Schengen treaty makes the internal borders nearly inexistant. That is correct. But in order to benefit from that provision first you need to cross the outer border ... we do not think lighly of illegal immigration either and there is a wall in the east...


    As millions and millions cross your borders illegally don't complain about inflation and try to blame Trump for the cost of living.


    But you did leave out a bunch of things your government might be doing cause your prices to increase.

    I don't have a clue what you're implying ...


    I'm implying that sometimes countries make choices that drives inflation up.

    One headline today...

    Norway Pushes Back Against European Commission's Hypocrisy in Curbing Arctic Oil and Gas Just as Multiple EU Countries Are Actively Seeking It

    There you go... Portions of the EU are stopping Oil and Gas exploration. In doing so you cause a shortage in fuel and as a result prices go up.

    Biden did the same thing and prices went through the roof. Trump got in to office and he increased oil exploration and prices went down.

    EU is all in for the Green New deal and prices are up because of your leaders policies.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Wed Aug 26 22:38:34 2026
    Step 1: Find out the name of the US president who made the Russian invasion of Ukraine possible by doing nothing about it while Russians deployed.


    Well, it was a VP, Kamala, who started it with a US speech about getting Ukraine into NATO that started it.

    Vlad started the war the next day.

    I stand corrected. Sometimes I'm too hard on Biden. He's an easy target.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ward Dossche on Wed Aug 26 22:40:02 2026
    I get it that you don't like Trump, but I watched Biden let the Ukrain invasion happen. Literally let it happen.

    It pains me to say so, but I share that vision.

    Than you Ward. You are a reasonable man.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Wed Aug 26 22:51:22 2026
    That seems possible in a state like North Dakota. They are really, re Republican there. I don't think they're going to put up with this any longer than they need to.


    I think that if they find a replacement, one who can primary Thune he'll be gone in 2028. I do feel Thune won't be the Senate leader much after the election coming.

    The senator term is 6 years (not 2 years like the house members.) Thune's re-election opportunity is in November 2028 (to begin the new term in January 2029.)

    I honestly don't know anybody from North Dakota, but if they are anything like me or Ron, I know what they want, and it's a non-rino Republican senator to replace Thune. They can't be a bunch of idiots there; it's cold, there are hungry grizzly bears out there, they can't blow this.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 27 07:05:44 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I know that's what it seems like, and it is likely, but also consider
    the fact that they'll just invent the notion of things being broken
    when they're not, like "Let's put an end to discrimination "once" and
    for all."

    I think that's happening too. But it's less effective when people are paying attention.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to IB Joe on Thu Aug 27 18:55:54 2026
    There are some Elites in the US that love war. It gives them a chance to make money.

    It's an age-old adagio ... "war is good for business" ...

    Without WW2 the US would be military ranked somewhere between Namibia and Botswana...

    In 2000, as well as 1956, Russia expressed interest in joining NATO.

    They did not. Not at a single given moment ... there's nothing you can put at the table to support that. As for 1956 ... the year where the USSR bloodily suppressed the Hungarian freedom movement ... get real. You have nothing to build that case.

    You let 2004: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia,
    and Slovenia 2009: Albania and Croatia 2017: Montenegro 2020: North Macedonia 2023: Finland 2024: Sweden

    There is a technical protocol to become a partner in the alliance. All these countries fulfilled all their oblications ... Besides, I like the "you" in the above paragraph ... as per some other misguided post of yours the US are the dominating country in NATO.

    Y'all could have said.. We NORMALLY don't deviate from our policies...
    BUT for you we'll consider. You PAY this much and we expect this and
    that.

    And, pray, what was the US's reaction other than getting a belly cramp from laughing? According to you the US is the leading partner ... so ... ?

    Problem solved!!!

    Trump used it as part of his reasoning to invade. I wasn't on bored with this initially, but I'm willing to cut him a little slack in hopes that Iran becomes free.

    Lessons learned from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq ... maybe others .... "You cannot bomb a ountry into democracy"

    Iran does not currently possess finished 90% weapons-grade uranium, but
    it holds about 440.9 kilograms (972 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60% purity, which is a short technical step away from weapons grade

    No proof, just internet hogwash and minor Wikipedia... there's nothing at your hands to build that case. You do know what uranium-enrichment requires ... right? Up until some years there was an engineer in Fidonet doing exactly that as a job, there were stories to be told.

    Same type of nonsense we have been fed about Sadam and his WOMD's which never existed.

    Prior to WW II the US had a noninterference policy... After they went
    into WWII they never went back to it. Since that time the US has been in every conflict since. Money spend, people die... and I say enough is enough.

    Actually, since its inception the US has been involved in 243 military campaigns ... five of which were labeled "war" ... yet there's the Vietnam war, the Korean war and several others.

    "non-interference policy" ... in theory only ... let's talk about the overthrow of governments ... the invasion, occupation and annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii ... it's a long list.

    I am not confused... I chose to show you the dollar amount that the countries pay. You revert back to the percentage of GDP.

    Not GDP ... but the actual NATO Common Budget taken from audited documents..

    The budget at the moment is 5.3 billion Euro and the US now pays 16.2% of that (today's figures) meaning if you can't figure out percentages yourself then I'll do it for you ... 907.200.000 Euro is the US's contribution to NATO. All the rest you're trying to qualify is the US's defense spending for its own.

    Germany pays exactly the same amount ... you fail to differentiate between the NATO-budget and national defense.

    If the US wants to maintain Rammstein AFB and RheinMain AFB incl. tens of thousands of troops, they can do so. Their presence is not requested. Included in that are the nukes which the US forced down our throats. In Belgium there are 20 nuclear warheads with 5,000 troops maintaining them and securing. The reason being that the US wanted to create more targets for the Ruskies outside North America. You also have them in Turkey, Italy, The Netherlands and Germany. We didn't request them, they were forced unto us. Your expense.

    If the US Prez (any prez) wants to come to a NATO-meeting in Brussels and needs a 747 while a learjet would do, it's not a NATO-expenditure ...

    The US PAYS more, as a dollar amount, than all NATO countries combines.
    I think that the US could better spend their TRILLIONS spent in European defense and use it for paying down debt and deporting Illegals.

    Educating the population would be fine too.

    As millions and millions cross your borders illegally don't complain
    about inflation and try to blame Trump for the cost of living.

    They don't. You can't make the case to shore-up your statement.

    Norway Pushes Back Against European Commission's Hypocrisy in Curbing Arctic Oil and Gas Just as Multiple EU Countries Are Actively Seeking It

    You do know that Norway is not a EU-member ... or don't you? I guess not indeed then ... so you don't really see the mechanism there.

    Biden did the same thing and prices went through the roof. Trump got in
    to office and he increased oil exploration and prices went down.

    Your sense of humour is remarkable ... with Trump at the helm prices about doubled ... I know what I pay.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 27 11:43:12 2026
    On 26 Aug 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I stand corrected. Sometimes I'm too hard on Biden. He's an easy target.


    Don't be...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ward Dossche on Wed Sep 2 11:36:04 2026
    On 27 Aug 2026, Ward Dossche said the following...


    Your sense of humour is remarkable ... with Trump at the helm prices
    about doubled ... I know what I pay.


    The price YOU pay at the pump MAY BE related to the country you live in.

    Price for gas in Canada is higher than the price in the US because Canada has taxes hidden in the price per liter.

    Canada's gas taxes have nothing to do with Trump. Each state is different... but I could fill up in Florida for around 1/2 the price of filling up in Ontario Canada.

    Price per barrel is in the 80s still ... I think your cost increase is due to were you live and it's not Trump's fault.

    On the EU, NATO and UN front... Tell all your friends in Europe that the US needs to be out of NATO and the UN.

    Move the UN to Europe...

    Why is the US even funding Ukraine, Ukraine is not a NATO country, it's your problem and not ours.

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